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nigger

What time does Demo Day start?

Anon suggested we update our project pages, have a separate rolling/sticky for anons to play our games, and also post on /agdg/

>>13715416

>What time does Demo Day start?

>QUARTERLY DEMO DAY SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 11TH

>http://8agdg.wikidot.com/demo-days

i'll update the demo day wiki page so it's clearer, and so the current plans are formalized, give me a few tho

>>13715446

Yes, but are we making the thread at a certain time that day? Midnight? Noon? 2 pm?

>>13715452

>are we making the thread at a certain time that day

not sure on the exact timing due to time zones.

Concerning the relative time I'm assuming midnight on 11/11.

Though, it's going to be sort of "off the cuff" this time in terms of timing as I'm sure a lot of anons are in different time zones.

On another note, someone needs to contact mark about the possibility of a separate thread…. due to the possibility of our cyclical not being at page 13/700 posts… so not sure there as I don't have twitter.

>>13715703

Sure, post contact or whatever

>>13715703

>doing some research into nostalgia and games

look at this video, it's related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHhX5GtWNr8

>>13715716

Send me an email at

anonsresearchproject@gmail.com

I think we might need to use something closer to a chat service but we can set that up via email.

>>13715727

I have this as part of my research, what inspired me originally.

>>13715735

Sent ;)

>>13715751

I got nothing

>>13715794

Check your junkmail? It's from snigger@nigge.rs

>>13716086

>Jult stke maga keme

>>13716086

Seems more like you'd get an undeclared variable exception during compilation, but maybe I'm nitpicking?

>>13716086

You have to be clinically retarded to mess up pointers. That said, pointers are very bad for performance. That also includes references, offsets, and all the other shit that makes CPU fetch data from arbitrary locations in RAM.

>>13716128

No you declare a pointer that points to 0x00000000, writing to it obviously will trigger segfault.

>>13716160

The first variable says *ptr, the second variable says *prt. The compiler wouldn't complain about that?

It has been a long time since I've done anything with C++ so maybe I'm wrong there, but it seems to me the compiler should complain about a variable being used when it hasn't been declared earlier, before you even get anywhere near any possible runtime errors.

>>13716171

It's a typo, don't pick at it.

>>13716178

They both look like shit anon, like those cheesy ass B-grade RPGs from NES.

>>13716178

left looks better

>>13716178

See if you can improve it, but definitely the left one seems better. It has implied detail (with the faded splotches on the grass), and doesn't look as busy as the one on the right.

Who was that one anon that was making an actiony LoZ-like game with great spritework? See what they do and try to copy it.

>>13716196

Why the fuck would you write that? What you think was gonna happen? Pointer needs to point somewhere, and you didn't gave it address of allocated memory, just some random value.

>>13716201

int memory[ 128 ];
int * stackptr = &memory;
int * heapptr = malloc ( sizeof ( int ) * 128 );

>>13716207

Actually in the first example you don't need the "address" operator, "memory" is already a pointer. But if it wasn't an array and just a single int, then that's what you do.

>>13716201

I was trying to cause a segmentation fault to show that the code in >>13716086 would cause a segmentation fault.

>>13716178

The one on the left looks better, and I'd say that the one on the right has too much detail. Reminds me of the swamp texture in zelda II.

>>13716215

Duh. Writing to an unmapped memory location is how OS detects a segfault.

>>13716178

Your contrast is fucked in both of them.

I'm butting in but I'm trying to learn pointers.

#include <stdio.h>

int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
	int i = 0;

	int *intPtr = &i;

	printf("%d\n",*intPtr);

	return 0;
}

Why do I need to declare a type for the pointer? like int *etc? Isn't it just a memory address? Or is it for the size of the address? what's going on here exactly?

I would imagine it like this

0x0000 (this one happens to be an int)

0x0001 (this one happens to be a char)

0x0002…etc

the ptr should just point to 0x0001 and not care if it's technically an int or not.

>>13716304

Not positive, but my guess would be that you need to declare a type for a pointer so that when you dereference that pointer the compiler knows what data type to return it as.

Like, if you declared a char pointer and an int pointer to the same address, and then dereferenced them both, you would get a char and an int of the data in that memory address.

BUT THAT'S JUST A THEORY

>>13716304

Pointer is just an address. The type of pointer tells compiler what type of data resides by that address (more importantly, its size). And yes it doesn't cares if the data is actually what you say it is.

double foo = 3.14159;
int * bar = &foo;
printf ( "%d\n", *bar );

>>13716427

Fuck off Sam

>>13716427

Yes. I made him for debug shit, but he'll be hidden somewhere in the finished version.

>>13716317

>>13716341

>>13716498

thanks anons

>>13716622

that's really cool actually

>>13716554

What am I missing here? It seems like they did a lazy implementation that is optimized for their game

>>13716678

If you don't see it then you are a bad programmer.

>>13716746

It just sounds like you want to highroad everyone for not digging through 3 files of 500+ lines of code to find whatever you're nitpicking about.

>>13716912

Just skimming through the readme should make it clear that kyren has no idea what he's doing.

>>13716936

That's what happens when you have a team of idea guys hire 18 artists and like 3 idiots that do some semblance of code work.

Christ starbound is a mess.

>>13716936

Oh. I jumped straight to his template files.

There's a lot of retardation in that readme, like using 'being simple' as an excuse for all his short comings, but I think the funniest bit was:

>It's faster than unordered map

>I never did a real benchmark though

Thanks for archiving the last thread eschabro

you missed 13653860 tho. I'll be adding that to the wiki page

>>13716962

Starbound has some mechanically sort of impressive things in it, compared to most games. For example the lighting system and water pressure. Physics are very solid too.

>>13716962

Remember when they dumped most of their source by accident?

Great devs indeed.

>>13717219

It usually is actually faster to copy values and use them from a single point than reference to them with pointers.

Humble request that a musicfag adds some recommended learning material to the wiki.

>trying to think of ideas for fun gameplay

>3D game, have been developing game engine and it's finally ready for gameplay prototyping

>Already have a cute girl modeled that's going to be the player character, altho…Well, the clothes are just a prototype, and the hair I'm going to need to re-work. Face and body looks nice tho.

>Thinking a 1P action-adventure game would be good

>Thinking I'll make the setting some sort of dream world or virtual world or something so that anything goes, ought to make production of the game a fair bit easier than other concepts that have stricter production requirements

>…

>OK, so action-adventure…Exploration, combat, and some platforming?

>For platforming, since it's a dream world, different gravity in different areas might be interesting

>…

>Well, as far as making a prototype goes…Probably combat would be a good place to start?

>OK, pick a weapon…Fists? Feet? Katana? Scythe? Pistol? Sniper Rifle?

>…

>Enemies?

>Some sort of shadow-human-thing?

>But the exact design…What to do…

>Bosses?

>…

>….

>…..

I wish I was more creative.

I wish I had a stronger vision for a good game.

I wish I could actually do good character design in a timely manner.

I wish I had a better idea of what to do in terms of (concept/game/etc.) design to turn this engine into a fun game prototype.

You wish this wasn't a blogpost.

All of this engineering and 3D modeling/rigging/animation experience is going to go to waste at this rate.

Maybe what I need is an ideasguy or drawfag or something to compensate for my lack of creativity, I don't know.

Or maybe I just need to trial-and-error, making random and/or weird shit and it'll work out somehow.

I guess for now I'll eat some dinner and sleep on it…

Maybe I'll do the katana, since I have a really good idea for the name of the sword that can also be used as the seed for an interesting design (although I'm doubtful how interesting my weapon design can get as I have only been focused on character design and modeling up to this point. Game design is the study of everything.)

>>13717521

>Game design is the study of everything

Meant game dev…

>>13717521

focus on one thing at a time, but make sure you don't get stuck.

if it's something you can change later just pick something and roll with it. i've changed my protagonist's design 5 times and gone through 12 different weapons before finally getting it the way i want.

it sucks, but if you don't have any ideas or can't decide it's hard to force stuff like that, and it'll eventually come to you later on.

>>13717521

Make the simplest game you can, because it will naturally become the game it wants to be, and you will hit feature creep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZg-bhdZFU

>>13718071

Forgot to mention: all files are definitely included in the project and compiled.

>>13716979

>It's faster than unordered map

That's not very hard to achieve

>>13717521

>I wish I was more creative.

>words words words

JUST DO IT FAGGOT

>>13718095

Wouldn't suprise me. The C++ STL is pretty shit.

>>13718071

linker errors are some of the worst errors cause they don't tell whats wrong at all

Like the error is probably not really related to the actual problem at all

You should be using #pragma once for header files that way you don't need to worry so much about double including

also you should be including stuff in header files not source files

the only thing included in the source should be the accompanying header file and nothing else

in general if you are making small classes you start with just the header file and only add a cpp file if you need it

other than that the code you wrote is just a huge mess

In general using forward declarations is a sign of bad code structure and you are using a lot of them

It seems to me like there are a lot of unnecessary classes and files and could be simplified a lot

>>13718071

Looks to me like it's something to do with the name mangling. Try doing some extern voodoo.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/496448/how-to-correctly-use-the-extern-keyword-in-c

>>13718071

>>13718280

Also, where are your constructors? That might be fucking with the linker.

>>13714880

Looks more like rocks.

>>13717811

I think as long as you fap in moderation (preferably not to porn), you'll be alright.

>>13718071

You forgot to put a namespace around everything in remote_client.cpp. (You used "using namespace", which is wrong.)

>>13718201

>linker errors are some of the worst errors cause they don't tell whats wrong at all

>Like the error is probably not really related to the actual problem at all

I mostly agree, I do think they're usually related but they tend to be uninformative and only point you in a very general direction.

>You should be using #pragma once for header files that way you don't need to worry so much about double including

Sorry for the confusion. I am using them, I just left them out of the paste without thinking about the confusion that might cause.

>you should be including stuff in header files not source files

Yeah have fun waiting for you compiler to finish. I mean, I suppose it's a subjective thing, but in my experience it's very standard (among professionals) to leave them out of the headers as much as possible because they will make compilation longer and bloat up the namespaces. If you're going to use some module, you don't care about what specific shit that module internally uses, and you don't want to expose what you don't need. You only care about the module itself, so it absolutely makes sense to me that whatever shit the module uses will be included in its implementation, not its header, when possible.

>only add a cpp file if you need it

I've learned to do the opposite: add a cpp for every header, even if you don't 'need' it. This is so you know compile time if your header is not able to compile by itself. If you're going to include it, you want to be sure the header itself is enough. Of course, if the header has forward declarations you will still need to include their definitions seperately: but only if you are going to actually use them.

>It seems to me like there are a lot of unnecessary classes and files and could be simplified a lot

Right, I think what I've said above applies here too, and keep in mind I stripped back a lot of the context, and tried to only present what is giving me the problem.

If you disagree with anything I've said, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts though.

>>13718280

They're all c++ functions as part of classes, I don't think extern is relevant here.

>>13718299

I left them out because they don't seem relevant here. (Even if I didn't have them, the compiler would generate default constructors though)

Again sorry for any confusion caused by stripping out so much of the context surrounding the snippets, there's quite a lot of code surrounding this actually but I am pretty certain none of it would influence the linker errors (inb4 this is where my mistake lies), because supposedly it's simply "I can't find the implementation for this function!", however I do have a function with that signature. The declaration is obviously found because it compiles, it just somehow doesn't link properly.

>>13718395

That would be true if you were talking about a header, but it's the .cpp, where you literally use a namespace.

In the header, I do surround my declarations with the namespace.

>>13718385

That looks petty damn good, anon.

>>13718454

Thanks! Do you think it would be worth it to add in some sort of CRT-type shader as an option for people to use? I know some people hate that stuff but I also know some people who like the original, real-life look of these older games as they were played and would rather have that. I've not tried working with custom shaders in Unity though so it'd be a learning process.

>>13718476

If it's an option you can turn on and off, and you really want to add it, I don't see a reason why not to.

>>13718071 (Me)

I forgot to mention that it seems directly related to the Connection class (in combination with RemoteClient), because any RemoteClient functions that do not have Connection* as return type or parameter have no problem linking.

This shit's bizarre. I was never the greatest at structuring code, but I suppose I'll have to try to simplify things and work around it.

>>13718446

It's kinda hard to judge with how much you left out but it wouldn't really surprise if the bug was outside the code regardless

you are right about it being preference but i've found that avoiding cpp files and avoiding forward declarations in particular helps prevent these kind of linker errors

with what you've provided here it's nearly impossible to figure out why exactly it's giving you this error

Also wheres the compile command?

>>13718555

Good lord, I found it!

I another header file I forwarrd declared Connection inside of a parater because in that whole file it was only used once, and I was lazy:

namespace network {
void likeThisExample(class Connection* connection)
};

Well, that lazy mistake declared a class named Connection outside the namespace network. What was intended:

namespace network {
class Connection;
void likeThisExample(Connection* connection)
};

>>13718645 (Me)

wtf I'm dyslexic now

>>13716178

Use the left. The right is waaayyyyyyy too busy.

Well I'm back from my colonoscopy. Looking forward to deving the next 7 of 10 days when i get back home

>>13719254

could throw a jump scare like a angry dog at them?

>>13719244

looks good mate

>>13719258

I planned it to be more or less like this:

>Player "starts" in a certain room

>Needs to pick up a weapon like a metal pipe to break open door

>Breaks open door

>Goes into next room

>Just when he is about to open the second door, an enemy blast it open and attacks player

Now the player is forced to fight or run, leaving the player with an unexpected crisis. It's meant to make the player feel overwhelmed from the very start.

>>13719254

The first Deadspace did something similar. You encounter the enemies within like 5 minutes iirc, and it puts you in a situation where you have no weapons and are forced to run. It worked well imo, but you HAVE to cascade properly after it. Let the realization of the situation after that encounter dawn organically. They failed with this in the sequels if you ask me.

>>13715394

>people still mistake demoralization for depletion of morale, not depletion of morals, which it actually is.

Weimar republic for example is a demoralization, not depressive state of living.

>>13719295

You're right, completely forgot about the beginning of deadspace thanks. Good to know that there is at least one instance where it worked well, so i am not treating on completely unknown territory.

>>13719258

Going to second this. Build tension, make it a minor jump scare, then ESCALATE when they let their guard down

>>13719427

>Hope everything is ok, anon.

Doctor said I had a 75% improvement over last year (on account of being on proper meds), and aside from some minor ulcerations, I'm in great shape

>>13719455

IBS?

>>13719490

Crohn's, actually.

>>13719502

Sucks anon, I feel for you mate.

polite sage

Is anyone going to object or care at all if I post progress on learning to draw here? I'm doing it specifically for gamedev, though I understand that it's not really video games itself. I figure it's at least as AGDG-related as learning to make music is.

>>13719538

I don't see a problem with it, but I do remember an anon that drew lewd of his game or a nude character or something to that effect, and ended up making the thread really low quality because he kept being belligerant towards criticism, and also lightly spamming

>>13719538

I have no problem with it, but you could also try /ani/, /art/, /loomis/, /drc/, or /dpd/.

>>13719538

I don't see a problem with that either. What >>13719566 mentioned is a general problem. Not everyone can handle criticism, and, if you can't, it doesn't matter what you post.

>>13719538

I don't care much either way though I'd personally only post art progress related to gamedev on some level.

>>13719578

This might help too: https://8ch.net/artass/res/173.html

>>13719624

dammit

>>>/artass/173

>>13719566

>>13719576

That shouldn't be an issue. I ask for code help here all the time. I'd rather be criticized in the short term than not improve in the long term.

>>13719572

Those are good places overall, but they're dead enough that I don't think I'd get sufficient feedback there in any timely manner. The /v/ draw thread is similarly dead. In addition, I think to prioritize AGDG because it's full of people with the same goals as me, who are going to criticize my work with attaining those goals in mind, when it's relevant.

>>13719578

>only post art progress related to gamedev on some level.

I have mixed opinions on that. On one hand, this thread should be about video games, but on the other hand, that same line of logic also rules out all beginner level 3D modeling, music making, writing, and even programming that isn't intended to go into a particular game, even though it's a necessary step to get to gamedev. A large number of the people in this thread are here specifically because they aren't yet good enough to make the things that will go in their game.

>>13719711

>/artass/ - Art assets

>>13719740

No problem, mate.

someone make a decent horror RTS already tbh

>>13720170

How do you approach an horror RTS?

>>13720163

Thanks, that actually helps. Feet get the worst treatment in games, total after-thought (if they are ever thought of in the first place).

also I played speebot and liked it but it was literally just freeware tier and when I looked it up I found the dev posting in some forum about it so I refunded it tbh

>>13720181

>>13720170

>tbh

Go away Chaosyourgod

>>13720179

I feel you, still trying to come up with the optimal approach for my own assets.

>>13720097

Could you post your entire sprite sheet? I can give some feedback all at once then.

>>13720178

I would handle it imagining a moving base some powerful entity encapsulating the map slowly while also projecting smaller parts of it on the map which produce various creatures in which the player has to deal with.

I could go more into it tbh

>>13720189

honk pls

>>13720192

being able to fight the monsters doesn't remove from the horror aspect of it unless it's dealt with poorly

>>13720192

>>13720178

It could be about trying to balance the survival of people you have little control over with other tasks. Like imagine the feeling when you're preoccupied with strengthening barricades or something, only to see the "SURVIVORS" counter suddenly start dropping.

>>13720234

There's a difference between the "horror" genre and something actually being "scary". Horror doesn't always imply frightening in the classic sense, it refers more to the themes imo.

>>13720262

is it themes or is it atmosphere though? because I've seen plenty of games have various "spooky" horrorish styles to them but they're clearly not a horror game but on the other hand I've been unnerved by alot of stupid shit just because it had the right atmosphere to it

>>13720298

This series is really decent.

>>13720306

BornCG is really good. He does a good job at explaining step by step even the most basic things of the UI which is the biggest hurdle when trying Blender for the first time. He has so many videos about so many things i still go back from time to time to refresh my memory

>>13720306

I'll check it out. Thanks, anon. Do you know if blender or maya is better for learning 3d modeling? I don't mind pirating maya now and buying later if I ever finish a game if it's better for beginners.

>>13720323

Not as bad as your "sprites" as least.

>>13720337

>Do you know if blender or maya is better for learning 3d modeling?

What are your dreams and aspirations? Do you want to be part of a 3D art team some day? Make vidya professionally? Go Maya.

Like FOSS? Go Blender. A lot of people have gripes with the UI, and while Blender is not perfect, I love it.

>>13720353

Basically. Its hard to say one is better than the other, you can be amazing with Maya or Blender, then one day decide to try the other one and you will just be stumped with the UI and wonder what the fuck is going on.

One is free, open source and has lots of neat plugins.

Maya is not free and… i dont know anything else about it. I always thought it was more popular but i dont actually know

>>13720353

>>13720365

I just want to quietly make vidya for fun. Professional anything involving gamedev is shit. Maybe blender is the better choice then since I'm a poor libre fag.

>>13720403

I can't get a grasp when it comes to Blender's controls since they are way different from any other 3D software's controls overall, other than that I try to make my stuff as cross platform compatible as Maya allows me to.

>>13720403

Go with Blender for now then, mate. Libre is the way to go.

>>13720403

I played with blander and I didn't like it tbh, I went from maya to 3d studio max when I was modeling tbh

>>13720352

Hm… Nothing I didn't already know, but it was a good refresher. I've always been bad at the "first pass" when drawing

>>13720413

Blender relies a lot in learning keyboard shortcuts, sometimes to open specific menus.

>>13720352

Hey, this is pretty cool. Thanks for posting these anon, I've always been interested in how to do proper spritework.

>>13716304

#include <stdio.h>

int main( int argc, char *argv[] )
{
        int x = 0xFFBB12FA;
        int *ptr = &x;
        unsigned char *ptr2 = &x;   
        unsigned char *ptr3 = &x;
        ptr3 += 2;
        printf( "%X, %X, %X\n", *ptr, *ptr2, *ptr3 );

        void *the_void = &x;
        printf( "%X\n", *(int*)the_void );
        printf( "%X\n", *(unsigned char*)the_void );
}

enjoy

>>13720790

>0xFFBB12FA

Subhuman C# dev here, what's this magic number?

>>13720883

Done. I'll try to stop making excuses and start learning blender soon. Better to start sooner rather than later that way if I actually start a game with the intent to finish it I'll have the ability to do art for it.

>>13720903

It's not a magic number, it's just the hex value he happened to use.

>>13720790

Does that compile without casting &x to unsigned char * for *ptr2 and *ptr3? It doesn't on my machine.

>>13720903

#include <stdio.h>

int main( int argc, char *argv[] )
{
        int x = 0x00474146;
        int *ptr = &x;
        unsigned char *ptr2 = &x; 
        unsigned char *ptr3 = &x;
        ptr2 += 1;
        ptr3 += 2;
        printf( "%c %c %c\n", *ptr, *ptr2, *ptr3 );
}

>>13721053

>It's not a magic number, it's just the hex value he happened to use.

That's literally what a magic number is

>>13721073

Most magic numbers tend to have some significance though, that example works for any number. I guess he could define it as some named constant, but the example is pretty trivial so it's not really that necessary. Polite sage for kinda off-topic.

>>13721059

Ebin.

>>13721453

This is what you need:

https://learnopengl.com/

For shadow mapping using the depth buffer:

https://learnopengl.com/#!Advanced-Lighting/Shadows/Shadow-Mapping

Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with resources for stencil-buffer or volumetric shadows off the top of my head.

>>13721453

the volumetric shadow part is basically just occlusion culling, but instead you use the lights dir vector to determine what the shape is occluding; then it's just fancy interpolation of the resulting values.

So the term would be, "shadow frustum", is what you're looking for.

Look here for a stepping off point:

http://www.opengl-tutorial.org/intermediate-tutorials/tutorial-16-shadow-mapping/

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee416324(v=vs.85).aspx

>>13721453

Here's a good read on volumetric shadows:

http://developer.download.nvidia.com/books/HTML/gpugems/gpugems_ch09.html

>>13721714

Take it if it fits, its just all around intuitive. There is a reason everyone tried(and also failed) to imitate Marios physics in gemeral since the first one came out. It's really good.

>>13721714

In Kirby Super Star, there's a Yo-Yo ability.

If you press down, then up, then B, you do this move where you spin up in the air.

The input is not unique to Mario. I would think the resulting somersault action is pretty unique to 3D Mario, though…

>>13721738

>>13721730

I think it might be worth trying to get something that works similarly without copying it straight away, I'd still like to do something during my Pivoting animation though, it's a nice interaction and it feels empty to just leave it as it is

>>13720903

Just a random 32-bit signed integer number written in hexadecimal format.

>>13721053

That's perfect. It's what the compiler should do. It's an implicit cast, but you can write it out too if you want. It's handy way of pulling out bytes from a 32 or 64 bit integer. This stuff actually reads better written in assembly. One of the reasons C is kind of a bummer for some things.

assembly on a modern Intel is some real bullshit though. Some of the opcodes aren't even documented. BIOS/firmware is a half-mile deep shithole of broken glass. One of the reasons I'm really interested in the Power9 stuff coming out now.

>>13721744

You cant really copyright jumping afaik. As long as you're not ripping the animation youre probably safe. This area can get really muddy if you go too far though.

>>13721756

It's not about copyright, it's more of an ethical question

>>13721766

I hear ya, but it can also be a legal one so it's worth paying attention to. FWIW i still think youre fine to use it do long as you arent just straight up copying animations and overall game design. Referencing and derivative types of work are cool and I see them more as homages/paying respect than anything. Just my opinion.

>>13720883

while you are at it, on the Input tab check the emulate 3 button mouse box and use it

this is because most mouses are chinese pieces of shit and the middle button is the first part that breaks for blender users

on the Theme tab change the theme to one with proper contrast like north, modo or science lab

on the File tab check the show thumbnails box

>tinyCAD

Didn't know this existed, my life is now way easier.

as a thank you let me tell you that you can copypaste from different blender windows, is way faster than using the append menu, pretty useful to build/use huge libraries once the demo day is over i will start working on a gun parts library

>>13721526

half life isn't a horror game though and never tried to be, it's a action game

>>13721815

It definitely has horror themes though.

>>13721817

such as?

Is it better to change the shape of one collider, or having multiple ones that are deactivated and activating them when they're needed?

>>13721820

cmon the whole design of the zombies, the concept of the headcrab things. Those guys fit right in with the idea of horror.

>>13721977

Do you refer to Unity colliders? If so, the more complicated your colliders are the worse its gonna be for the physics engine in my experience. Keep em as simple as you possibly can without messing with the experience.

I'm going to get an internet black out and everything in my computer is setup for gamedev Under GNU/Linux :^) What open-source software should i know before i get shut-down?

>>13722278

Godot

>>13722290

Already compiled the latest master and downloaded the docs. But anything that would produce music, sprites (and tiles) would be good to know.

I got Godot, blender, Krita, gimp, substance painter under wine.

>>13722335

Aseprite (compile it yourself, the license is retarded), Aria Maestosa for simple midi editing or Famitracker.

>>13722335

LMMS for music, GraphicsGale for 2D pixel graphics. Krita and Gimp for more advanced 2D graphics.

>>13722410

>so eager to offer advice I forget to read the whole post

I hope this doesn't bleed into studying.

>>13722410

I just got the VST plugin working. LMMS is sure an amazing addition when I'll have nothing better to do other than fucking around and not go outside. Thanks Anon!

>>13722410

<graphicsgale

aesprite does the job for free if you compile it yourself

>>13722410

Graphicsgale is okay but it lacks some vital tools that will seriously speed up your workflow esp on larger sprites like multiple dither pattern gradients. The plus side to it is that it's free of any kinds of full retard comments by the dev to my knowledge.

But their exist better tools that are easier to use. Asesprite for one, but that is no longer free.

>>13721977

Id say multiple ones. My reasoning is that its easier to think of it being in terms of A or B, rather than worrying if the collider is shaped like A or was it altered

>>13721778

>>13721766

Yes, do it as a respectful derivative rather than straight and lazy copying. You can feel the difference, somehow.

Also as far as legality that anon said, "look and feel" is a concept, but parody exists. Just use common sense and ultimately put in the effort and it should be good

>>13723241

It's like all the big game engines advertising themselves as open source but they really just want others to fix their fuckups for free while they charge a monthly subscription. And the number of third party FOSS libraries referenced makes me wonder if any of it is actually written by him.

>>13723241

It's kind of genius actually. If you're a pleb then git gud, pay up, or gtfo.

Maybe I'll do the same for my game. It'll be free to anyone who learns to compile software.

>tfw need to make a 96x96 8-frame explosion animation

This is probably the biggest "thing" I"ll have to make for my game but anyone got any guides or good explosion sprites to look at?

>>13723351

This is what I'm doing for my puzzle game. I think I can reasonably get $10-$15 USD for it when it's finished (maybe find a sweet spot like $12.95), and I want to release the source code in some capacity.

>>13723464

is this just another doom mod?

PSST

DST happens on November 5th, you guys get an extra hour to work on your game before demo day

>>13723479

DST already happened unless you're a burger

>>13723351

you could do it like id software did, all the assets and level map data have to be purchased to play the game, but you got the engine and dev tools to make your own gay game

>>13723497

Sounds like an interesting keikaku. I don't really see any downside to it either, it's basically like releasing supercharged modding tools.

>>13723571

>buying it

Modo's increadibly easy to torrent, I might even be able to spoonfeed you a version if you want

>>13723585

I'm extremely paranoid about pirating software. Seen way too many friends fuck up their PCs downloading shit they thought was clean. Last time I tried pirating something was Adobe CS6 Master Collection and all the comments said it was clean, but to be safe I installed it on a laptop with a fresh install of Windows that was 100% expendable and sure enough I immediately spot that it's running some shit in the background. A couple of websites running Cloudflare or some shit immediately recognized that I had become one with the botnet and blocked access from my IP.

Also I'd feel like a dick trying to make money off models made in pirated software. I just want Blender to have good spline cage modeling, then everything would be fine.

>>13723620

CGPeers is really good about vetting downloads, since they're a private tracker. Registrations are on the 15th of the month, mark it on your calendar.

>>13723630

Thanks for the tip, never heard of them before but I love private trackers for sure. If I do pirate something it will probably just be some version of 3DS Max. In the early days of college they still made you pay for their limited student version but at "only" about $500 or something, it wasn't until later they made student versions truly free, so I figure pirating their stuff would just be getting what I already paid for.

>Refactor one or two variables

>123 errors

Such is life

Have any of you sent a game to the ESRB? How did the process work?

>>13724026

You don't have to do that unless you want to sell physical copies in stores, it costs a ton of money AFAIK, so I am 99.99% sure no one here has done it.

>>13724250

>the giant-ass saga that led to this rule becoming a thing

What was that, hot coffee?

>>13724250

Or, you know, you could just not get an ESRB rating at all, it's not like it matters in this day and age.

Just sell it online, bam, you're good.

Or fuck it, if you want to sell something in physical copies make a store yourself and send those copies to people that buy them. Easy as shit to circumvent them.

>>13724265

Correct.

>>13724274

I know, it's just ridiculous that the system works that way in the first place.

>>13724214

I love everything about this.

Also, morning lads.

>>13723620

Just run the software in a VM first, no need to mess up your computer with sketchy shit.

>>13722238

sure but when you first saw one did you ever feel any kinda emotion horror is supposed to bring? not even as a kid those things never scared me, I think the issue with it was the over all colour scheme of the game and sound design something they only sort of fixed in hl2 as well tbh

>>13724046

Physical copies in stores or if you want to do a console release. Console manufacturers demand an ESRB rating because they're all run by retards who think that Adults Only rated games shouldn't be allowed to exist. Similar to how for a long time (((Hollywood))) decided that they need to stop making R rated movies because they thought only PG-13 movies would sell As if you needed anymore reason to believe AAA is Hollywood 2.0

>>13724938

Glad to see you back. You probably noticed we have a wiki now. Wanna add your game to it?

What progress did you make?

>>13724966

Thanks. I have a custom loading system that's always existed and some bees that have always existed, but now I'm attempting to combine them. It's not going well.

>>13724668

>pedowood 2.0

I seem to recall a voice actor or something who was in a walking simulator that was underaged and some shit about a nude model being ripped

>>13725005

Could you not just get the angle between your vector and the slope, then shift your vector by that amount. Then you can freely apply manipulations to the speed based off the type of slope he's on. IE you could have some tags for your slopes that apply all kimds of fun and weird shit to movement.

But if you just wanted to change speed, my first thought is 1. get the slope between the horizontal forward vector of the char and the surface under him. 2. If it's positive apply some decrease in speed scaling with the slope. If its negative(ie facing down) apply a positive increase based on the steepness if the angle.

There may be more to it but that's a nice and simple process.

>>13725120

>then shift your vector by that amount

Shift?

Can I just rotate a vector without crossing?

>>13725155

Ah shit yeah, I meant what you said.

>>13725155

>normalize

Isn't that going to make it impossible to have different speeds depending on how much a stick is titlted?

>>13725186

Ah I guess probably not if I multiply it with the green one

>>13725174

Sorry, I'm just thinking how I would approach it. I'm not actually sure if you can do that or how you're controlling movement, just a thought. It's the first thing I would have tried, probably.

>>13725442

I tried using

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Quaternion.AngleAxis.html

To rotate my vector but it didn't quite work out.

But >>13725155 this worked up until the "speeding up" when going downhill. although I think I can figure that out myself.

Thanks

>>13725638

Do you wear glasses or have had your eyes checked?

>>13725722

I wear glasses, I get my eyes checked every year, except not seeing well I'm fine.

>>13725726

You want models or just those 2d presentations like your pic? If the second then thread or two ago anon posted a link to huge amounts of pics showing low poly models. Try to check the archive.

>>13725638

remember to take breaks every so often if you think it's eyestrain related.

i once had to sit for three days and do nothing because i animated too long consecutively, for too many days in a row. it hurt to move my eyes.

>>13725767

The presentations preferably. I'm trying to get an idea of how many resources you can use to get a good low poly model.

>>13725726

https://8ch.net/artass/res/407.html

>>13725726

Pinterest, which in general is a very good site for inspiration.

>>13725865

Oh damn. I'll check this out

>>13725638

Yes, as part of a larger condition. Take breaks, use Flux/SunsetScreen, and get enough sleep. You may also want to try eye drops.

>>13725638

That can happen if you have your eyes focused on one depth for too long, aka staring at a screen for hours on end. The easiest way to combat this is to just look around at something else every so often to refocus your eyes. Talking breaks and having proper lighting also help.

Is there a simple workaround to stop an SDL window from freezing when it's being dragged on Windows?

So I have a kinematic body (the player), and I want the body to be able to swing from a rope, which is made of several rigidbodies and spring joints. The player can grab the end of the rope via a pin joint, but the player is still affected by gravity and will pull the rope until it breaks. One potential workaround I've tried is disabling gravity on the player when attached to the rope, but that messes up the feel of the movement and isn't how I like to code, given that it's simply patching up an edge case instead of finding a solution. Any ideas on how to achieve something like this?

>>13726037

I think that's the default behavior of Windows; but I'm not entirely sure because I dev on linux w/ sfml. Anyway, there's probably a loop somewhere in your code that processes events that happen in the window, try writing something to the effect of:

while (window.isOpen()) {
Event event;
    while (window.pollEvent(event)) {
        if (event == WINDOW_CHANGED_SIZE || WINDOW_DRAGGED)
            window.display()
    }
}

>>13725638

No idea, but I remember hearing that back in the day, using OpenGL and dragging a window across two monitors and having it display right was a nightmare

>>13725978

>>13725638

Here's a fun one

>Stay up too late, so that you feel exhausted and restless when you go to sleep

>Next day feel tired, go to bed at a decent time so you can catch up, maybe a little thirsty

>2am~5am

>Hear the slightest noise and stir on the border of consciousness and feel my eyes move with the lids closed

>In some particular orientation, they end up scratched from that eye crust or whatever that builds up while you sleep

>Wake up in pain, eyes watering and fucking sore, just enough time to pop some tylenol or eye drops and get a wet washcloth before it becomes fucking awful

>If I'm lucky it'll only last a few hours and I can sleep it off and don't have to take a day off work

I have no fucking idea what the deal is with that. It happens every month or two and the last time I visited a hospital for it, they said they could keep me for observation. Take care of your eyes, they're important.

>>13726487

Meant for >>13726470 and >>13726037

>>13722335

Tiled is a simple and pretty decent tile map editor.

>>13724274

Ask the ESRB to rate it for free. When they don't, slap "ESRB Refused to Rate this Game! Hardcore Gamers Only!" on your box art.

What sort of thing could steal tools from a player?

Chip's Challenge had a "thief" tile, and while a jew would be amusing and fitting, it wouldn't be suitable outside this board

>>13727455

>why does blender eat a quarter of my possessing whenever im previewing animation?

Wish I knew. I get the same problem if I try to play animations with a dopesheet window open. It also seems to not like multi-monitor setups.

>>13727498

I'll never achieve this level of subtle.

I'll just go straight to the rapture.

>>13727525

Oh not even for the sake of being political, I'm just happy the characters I half concepted fit together and work for an excuse plot. Everything else is gravy

>>13727498

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Good work. Is the sprite for wisp still a WIP? Looks like it could use some shading.

>>13728033

Never happens to me when I shower, but plenty of times when I get an idea while falling asleep.

>>13728033

Get those bath crayons already you punk.

>>13727683

The rigging looks fine you'll just have to take your time of polishing.

>>13728033

>Not having your phone with you at all times to record voice notes.

>Not having it at arm's length when in the shower so you can explain the workings of your unexpectedly brilliant spontaneous programming solution.

>Not keeping it on the passenger seat of your car so you can paint the exact mental picture of how something should look while driving to work.

>Not keeping it nearby at the gym so you can detail the perfectly structured plot point that you figured out while in the middle of a set.

>Not leaving it next to your head when you go to bed so you can hum or whistle the awesome song idea that always comes to you when you're already 95% asleep.

You are setting yourself up to become less than you could be, my guy.

>>13728345

as you get droned for wrong think.

>>13728438

I'd rather we not devolve into /g/ shitposting, but precautions are being taken. The point is that you should always have a way to get your ideas down immediately, no matter what you're doing, because you might not remember them later. If you prefer, do it in a way that only you can understand. I also keep a mini notebook in my back pocket, just in case.

Just a reminder that more devs probably use Twitter than Tumblr. One of the popular dev tags on Twitter is #ScreenshotSaturday, which is both tomorrow and demo day. In fact, Feb's 2/2 demo day falls on a Friday, which means you can publish your game to anons, get some feedback, then shill to normalfags.

Lots of advertising opportunities

>>13728033

>Take a shower

>Brilliant idea

>Remember how i forgot my last idea while i was showering a while ago

>Step out of the shower instantly

>Run through the apartment naked

>Cousin who was over for a beer asks "`What the fuck?"

>I scream "THERE IS NO TIME IT'S NEARLY GONE"

>Already about to forget it

>Find my smartphone

>Manage to write it down last second

>Cousin comes in with a gun thinking i lost my shit because of a burglar or something

>Thinks i am calling the cops because of the phone i am holding

>"WHERE IS HE?!" he asks

>Calm him down and explain how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air

>>13727683

Generally speaking melee attack animations look awful unless they take the whole body into account. It's a much better idea to make animations that use the entire body- make attack animations for standing still, make attack animations for moving forward, sideways, etc. Almost every game out there does something like this for melee attacks. Typically being able to move completely freely while attacking creates this "lawnmower" effect which just feels awful to play (eg: Twilight Princess). Some games do it well though, like Ruiner.

Watch embed related and a few of the related videos to get a good idea of how people actually move when swingan weapons around in reality.

>>13729056

I'm sick of 4chan bringing their nigger memes and ~ironic vernacular~ here. You write like niggers, you think like niggers, you might as well be niggers.

>>13729407

This is one of the few threads they actively respond to reports on

>>13729276

thx, i really don't know what i should do i want combat to be fun and solid but i don't have a real plan for it other than melee

>>13729704

In fighting games, combat tends to be based around a rock-paper-scissors triangle: attack-beats-grabs-beats-shields-beats-attacks.

Looking at 3D games with combat such as Zelda, however, you'll find they throw out grabbing (probably due to the camera angle).

Thus the shield tends to make you invincible in these games.

So how did they make the combat interesting in 3D Zelda when you can just press a button to become invincible indefinitely?

One thing they did was make enemies put up a shield of their own when not attacking. The enemies thus became invincible for periods of time, giving the feeling of combat/trading blows for most players who just started spamming the sword button whenever they encountered an enemy.

However, while this design method gives the feeling of complex combat initially…

Upon closer examination as a seasoned gamer, it all boils down to a simple strategy of "wait, attack".

(See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOC3vixnj_0 at 8:03, I'm usually not a fan of goofy videos like these but this particular video is a good analysis, the whole video might give you some good ideas regarding action-adventure gameplay in general)

It also may be worth considering that fighting games univerally adopted projectiles at a certain point in their history, as this allowed fighters to continue to interact with each other at a distance. See embed related.

Finally, I think the best combat you'll see in games is combat that focuses on player movement.

Say, you start swinging your sword, and the sword swing lasts 60 frames and…You can't do ANYTHING else that whole time? You might want to think about speeding up certain animations so that player input doesn't get discarded nearly as often.

>>13729407

> you might as well be niggers.

Anon, I've got a twist for you you're not going to believe They ARE niggers

>>13730315

"Oh cool he's showing off some wire-frame surface."

>opens it up

"Oh God."

>>13730372

>>13730352

Honestly it looks like Yandev-tier if/else chains, judging from the structure

>>13730315

what in the god damn

>>13730315

>EnemySpawnerZombie

>It's a single spawner

Elegant.

>>13730315

So this is the power of unreal, wow….

>>13724214

I can't wait until you're done with this so we don't have to look at your boring doom mod anymore.

>>13730879

Damn, I thought rustfag was gone for good.

>>13730865

we're replying to this post

>>13730315

Is there any advantage to disabling backface culling? I noticed a lot of games do it. Blender doesn't let me make double sided faces without duplicating a vertex (making it really messy and akward to deal with), and I can see this becoming a MASSIVE problem when shit like trees come up. I get the feeling disabling backfacing all together is overkill though.

>>13730907

Your work is good, though. Get some rest and keep it up.

Took me three days to figure this out but I did it. I can rotate the elbow!

Also, would someone add this IK tutorial by Thrite to wiki? For 2 months it has been wasting away on nonpublic but I think it's pretty helpful and to the point as an entry level tutorial.

>>13731089

I haven't seen him in ages. Probably another lost dev, whether it be through not enough time or loss of interest.

>>13727683

If you want attacks during movement, I'd set it up like I remember the Ys games around Ys Origin do it - use fast, spammable attacks that stop you during startup, move you a step or two while you swing and recover pretty quickly if you don't take another swing/cancel into another swing if you attack again.

>>13729838

Frankly I think you should just drop the blocking part and just have attacks and movement, so the main part of the gameplay is just using your basic movement options and maybe a bit of foresight to dodge attacks and hit during recovery and/or just place a good preemptive attack to stick the monster before it even gets to attack. Dashes or runs should probably also feature because they just feel good, just have to be careful to balance them or to balance the game around them, depending on how fast you want to make the game.

>>13716222

>ask a stupid question

>get an obvious answer

>complain that the answer is obvious

Go fuck yourself

taking another break from my main project. How should I market android shovelware? It'll be fun

>>13732166

>How should I market android shovelware?

Have a load of money, be a publisher for a bunch of other idiots, and put ads to your game in theirs.. It's the only reliable way.

>>13732215

You shouldn't have saved this on your computer and you shouldn't have shared this

>>13730315

I would hope this is generated by code somehow

>>13733323

nice textures,

but in all seriousness how many triangles you running at? those seem to be some high poly table legs and barrels. and that ceiling arch…

i know it "looks better" but could you switch it all to hard edges for the sake of clarity? i want to count those polygons

>>13733323

the cardboard box in the back of the first screenshot looks awfully suspicious, seeing as it has color

>>13733323

Fix your normals.

Look at the table top, there is that gray line going from one corner to the opposite corner. That gray line shouldn't be there, the normals on the table top should all be pointing up but they aren't.

>>13733419

it's all supposed to be textured but i just can't do it. I made this area to show off what i'm able to do because someone wants to hire me for 3D modelling and i was hoping he could let someone else do textures

>>13733479

do those barrels just have massive n-gons on them?

>>13733531

don't know what u mean but i just made a circle mesh and went from there by extruding

>>13733556

so its A polygon with a shitton of sides. rather than being broken up into triangles or quads.

>>13733479

I use this tool

https://www.blend4web.com/en/community/article/131/

>>13733479

Use 2.8 for shits and giggles.

>>13733566

yes

>>13733574

thanks

>>13733576

wanna give me contact info for your new employer? I want to tell him how innovative your are.

>>13731681

Have you tried out to make the dmg number just float up from where they appeared instead of having them parented to the character? As of now it looks pretty weird and stiff and if you'd ever add an enemy that quickly changes direction (ex. runs in zigzags) or teleports it could look like they have a 'number pillar' attached to them.

How will skills be organized? Are you planning a skill tree or something else?

>>13733674

>Have you tried out to make the dmg number just float up from where they appeared instead of having them parented to the character?

Tried that, didn't like it back then but perhaps it can be implemented better, like making the number disappear faster. Should be easy enough to do.

The enemy movement point is pretty compelling…

>>13733674

>How will skills be organized? Are you planning a skill tree or something else?

The spells will be categorized, with things like auras, weapon skills, projectiles, summoning skills etc being separate tabs in the "spellbook". Some skills will require the character reaching a certain level to unlock.

The idea is to have little restrictions on playstyle.

Is there a good example of a game with a fuckton of trees and not just giant wooden rods in the ground? I want to make a models for a forest but am not sure what the most optimal way to do this is.

>>13730879

Joke's on you, I still have another two whole characters to work on.

>>13733770

carry on anon do us proud.

>>13732550

>Click on the UI

>It responds to your input and generates what you told it to

I mean technically

>>13733936

my workflow is to use a single base mesh that's skinned and model or simulate clothes on top of it, then rig and copy the weight from the base mesh to the clothing and manually touch up the skinning if necessary.

>can you use Blender cloth physics on Unity?

not to my knowledge, but unity has a cloth system that works with skinned meshes if you really want cloth physics.

>>13734160

I will look into it, thanks

>>13716994

Cha cha shodanon least I can do

woops that's the "fixed thread number" note, guess it was an actual thread kek

>>13731126

Added to a 3d modeling section in the wiki.

Added a bunch more vids I had in my playlists too so take a look (it's on the game dev resource page).

Been putting it off as I have a lot of links I need to organize in my bookmarks for adding to the wiki, and I'll add those later.

Been a bit busy with IRL stuff

>>13734674

>decent anime style ore made models

Search "mmd models"

There's some good ones out there.

>anime reference drawings

Search that term, and you'll find some; u may want to just search deviant art or pintrist though they have good references.

>>13733936

Maybe look at modular character systems.

Here's a few resources:

http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/SkankerzeroModularCharacterSystem

Sims modular character creator (clothing part at the end):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7R_HHxCokU

>>13734674

>step by step tutorial for blender

look at this channel's playlists:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrLasla

>>13734700

What should I add to the search if I wanted only naked models?

Naked doesn't seem to work at all

>>13734886

look for "mmd base models" or "mmd base"

>>13735001

>4.72 MB, 4640x2610

fuggin hell anon calm down with the high res

>black face lips

pfhahah, nice

Note that I've never used MMD models, but I've heard about them in passing; they'll probably have some odd rigging, and will be textured (delete rigging and remove textures, do that yourself).

The idea here is just to get a base for u so it's easier to model… so get a model with the basic contours of the body you want (not necessarily naked).

Retopo the model with a shrinkwrap modifier (look at topology section on wiki for guide) while maintaining good deformation topology for joints, and then customize it as necessary with shape keys; then do your own rig + texturing.

>>13735021

I'll probably have to delete the textures but the rigging does seem to kind of work so I might just keep it since I'd have no idea how to make it over myself.

Can't seem to select the single bones to move them though, weird

>>13735046

>I might just keep it since I'd have no idea how to make it over myself

well… like it or not if you're making a game you'll need to learn how to rig, weight paint, and deal with at least IK.

Also, if you end up redoing the rig later, and have animations from the previous rig; you'll more than likely have to redo those animations with the new rig.

>Can't seem to select the single bones to move them though, weird

the mesh needs an armature modifier w/the rig assigned to be moved by the bones, and you need to have the rig selected in object mode to be able to move them in edit mode.

look at rigging tuts on the wiki….

>>13735060

Eh not really, this is the only model I need and I'm only going to be using it for poses, rest of the game is 2D.

Figured out the rigging though

>>13735001

WE WUZ ANIME GIRLS N SHEIT

I have no idea how to save an image from this fucking awful site, but I found this amusing

https://twitter.com/_glocks/status/926988313512198145

>>13735796

looking extremely radical dude.

kill me