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>>416695

I don't frequent these threads, but set them during every full moon. Also setting a monthly show and tell is a great idea.

>>416714

The general idea is laid out here ( >>412298 ) and discussed and minorly carried out following that post in that thread. The idea is to encourage more homebrew and work on homebrew by setting a date, similar to /agdg/'s demo days. Every full moon seems a little excessive, but that really depends on how many people are actually here and willing to post about their shit.

I'm currently making a metric ton of custom magic items, artifacts etc.

What should I not do when designing magic items for characters to build themselves around?

>>316397

>Summer is here

Summer ended 6 months ago, are you retarded or something?

>>418071

Are you?

>>417368

Alright, I'l come up with something for the 18. See you then.

Reminder to bring your homebrew on May 18. Don't worry if its shit,

Sorry for the late post, its saturday now. I wanted to make a simple mod to d20 to have less hp bloat and have only one hitdice. I realized halfway through that you can just convert WOD or Ars Magica to dnd instead.

Its like this.

Combat Rules

Steps

1. Roll 1d6 for initiative for each character. Higher numbers go first.

2. When its your turn, you get a movement and an attack in any order.

3. When attacking, roll a D20 and then compare it to the target’s defence. If it beats the targets defence, the attack hits and roll for damage. If it doesn’t beat the target defence, the attack misses.

4. After everybody has acted, start at the beginning of the initiative order.

Damage

After rolling a successful hit, roll the weapons damage or 1d6 if not specified. Then add any modifiers then subtract the targets Armour value from the damage total.

If damage done is more then the targets current hit points, the target takes 1 fatigue.

Fatigue

As battles continue, PCs and NPCs begin to tire and fatigue begins to take in. Depending on the type of armour worn, you will be gaining fatigue every 5 combat rounds or 10 combat rounds.

When you gain fatigue two things happen.

-Your evasion decreases -2

-Your armour reduction decreases by -1

Fatigue can stack, but it can not reduce evasion or armour reduction to negative numbers.

The amount of fatigue points a PC or NPC can take is dependent on their max hit points.

My cat puked all over the sheet of creature designs I had prepared.

FMITA. ):

I'm going to be out of town until tomorrow evening, but I plan to have some stuff to post.

>>419352

This summer I am working on rules for playing a card game using cards from at least YGO Pkm & mtg, but I may also add more.

>>419352

Are you the guy behind the original Dungeons the Dragoning, by chance?

>>419404

As I say on the first page of the PDF no and I have never had anything to do with him bar playing his amazing game.

Next full moon is June 17th, so keep working, and try to give some feedback. Also try to post more about what you've been working on.

How do you measure the linear fighters/quadratic wizards?

I'm making a little game, and I wan't to avoid this. What is the best metric to measure this? Is it spells that deal more damage than fighters? The options that combining spells opens up? The status effects that are exclusive from martial characters? All of the above?

I wanna have a discussion on this, I wanna understand it better.

>>420844

The Linear Fighter, Quadratic Wizard is a matter of options, mostly. As the Fighter levels, he has a strict progression track that amounts to steadily building a little power with each level so he can attack more accurately and more often. Wizards, on the other hand, gain more and more spells that allow them to put every other class to shame. With each new level of spell and more spells, the Wizard's options can expand wildly in all directions, and in some cases, they just get instant win options as well. Meanwhile, a Fighter of similar level can now attack a few more times, and if the GM has been gracious, maybe they have a magic sword that lets them do a little more damage and a few feats that allow them to Trip or Grapple with a slight bonus.

This problem came about because Monte Cook and the other designers for 3.5, were literally being a bunch of pretentious twats. Their belief was that each class and mechanic and feat should be like Magic the Gathering's card rarity and meta-game system. This meant that the Fighter was a basic bitch common card with no fancy mechanics to learn or understand, while the Wizard and other casters were meant to be rare, powerful cards with synergy and special rules and all kinds of neat shit meant for advanced, intelligent players to appreciate and feel rewarded for mastering.

>>420844

To understand this, let's start at the beginning:

Chainmail has Heroes, Super-Heroes, and Wizards. Hero-types are nearly impossible to kill by normal men, and can also fight powerful enemies. They will generally lose to a Wizard. Further, Wizards have a lot of other 'special' things they can do. However, other than Elves, only Hero-types can use magic swords and magic arrows. Though a Wizard is powerful, a Dragon will annihilate them almost every time. But Hero-types, especially with a magic arrow, can shoot down a Dragon. They also boost the morale of their allies. These make them special.

OD&D retains glimpses of this. Fighting-men have the best saves, and only they can use magic swords, the strongest magical devices. They can take an amazing amount of punishment. Magic-users are weak at the beginning, but become very powerful later down the line. Even then, there are still things they can't do - a fighting-man retains functionality.

Later games give the magic-user more and more spells, that do more and more things. They take away magic swords as fighter only, they balance out saving throws, and they boost HP across the board. Monsters especially get a lot more HP, meaning a fighter goes from as tough as a dragon, to a mere fraction! On top of this, magic-users end up with a much easier time of item creation.

Wanting a switch crack so I can play Brawl minus on the switch

>>421942

Wrong kind of homebrew, dipshit.

>>421941

> "I would want the ability to push forward, feint back, maybe even circle around."

Got all of that in. A big part of the game involves moveset customization, and maneuvers are actions just like any attack.

> "Is it a cage fight? Tournament square? A wrestling circle? More along a straight line like fencing/street fighter?"

The standard arena is an 11-tile-diameter hexagon surrounded by walls. However, I've also got a few others printed out, including a few straight corridors of different widths and I've been experimenting with some hazard-based arenas.

> "Are there stances that provide benefits/weaknesses?"

I don't have a direct system for stances, but there are actions and modifiers that essentially function as these.

> "How about incremental injuries to exploit?"

Like doing damage to specific parts of the body? I don't have a thoroughly-developed system for that specifically (nor do I want to, for both thematic and design reasons), but I do have a status-ailment that sort-of represents it. However, this particular ailment is currently in a sort-of experimental phase, I haven't fully decided how I want to incorporate it.

> "Is it purely striking, kicking, or is there an entire grappling subgame?"

There is very much a grappling system, which can be used to support certain strikes or access grapple-only moves. It's a rather high-stakes approach to combat, as while it can be extremely effective if used right it can also leave the user vulnerable if they don't pull off the grab itself properly.

I took GURPS lite specifically because it was short and built a custom system off it it, particularly my own magic system. It has it's own game world and even 5 separate religion skills to pick from (four are cults) each of which grants abilities for the first six levels taken. Magic is as follows:

>Artificing

You can break down existing magic items to learn words or get them from a teacher. Then you can use a combination of the three to engrave an item- lastly you complete the feat associated with the spell whether that is throwing it 30 feet in the air or stealing it from a goblin a week+ after losing it. Once this is achieved the spell or affect becomes permanently active. The ascii characters associated with each Word is randomized every campaign via a python script I wrote. Fire in one campaign could be DJFH and in another ALLF, so the players can never truly know/metagame unless they have the profession.

>Alchemy

Make potions with ingredients that have effects. Ingredients have 2-3 of 5 possible essences, and can have more than one of the same essence. 4 of the essences combine with one another to prevent additional side effects from appearing in the potion, so you have to balance it without diluting your potion. Ingredient essences, along with the color, texture, and unique taste are randomized every campaign via script. You can also perform transmutations at rank four which don't change between campaigns, and can be quite powerful/useful.

>Bardery

You can sustain music over a time duration (5 minutes) which applies a constant buff or debuff to ALL characters that hear it. That means you have to be careful what volume you are playing as this determines the AOE and strength of the music in most cases.

>Cults

There's the defacto religion which is a riddle god; this gives you abilities like precognition, prescience, smiting, etc. Then there's ice/death, pirate/muscles, sand/assassin, and clockwork cults.

Aside from the magic system I included a whole mess of extra rules for armour bonus against types of damage, specific kinds of wound, executions, nobility, guns, horses, and all sorts of other shit while trying to keep the experience streamlined.

>>423508

>page 74

>is stupid, or immortal

Should be immoral, not immortal.

>>423566

Thanks; fixed it.

>>423596

So if we're talking strictly in terms of mechanics, that's a very nice way to handle a miniaturized skirmishing game - certainly more elegant than a comparatively clunkier system like 4E. I don't think you should be labeling it as a role-playing game though - while I suppose there's nothing stopping you from trying to, there's nothing here which lends itself to anything but fighting, nor any mechanics for resource tracking, exploration, characters, or really anything else.

But as a skirmishing game? Looks pretty fun.

>>423600

Nice, good to hear it's on the right track. And, yeah, there aren't really any rp mechanics on the combat side of things; the game isn't super intertwined, but that's by design - some people can use combat as a minigame in a normal rp session, and others can just use some light rp as a framing device for one battle after another.

So a few months ago I saw a thread about making the sorcerer more mana centered rather than a wizard with party tricks

While I have very little actual knowledge or experience with the game I finally after kicking a few ideas around decided to write it down and see if it's any good

Please forgive any grammar mistakes or it being trash in general

Sorc Origin: Mana attuned

The Innate magic comes from the very fabric of mana itself for everything magical pulls and bends it one way or another.

Level 1

Mana Rip: At first level the M.A. gains access to the mana rip the users Makes a Melee spell attack roll Hands turn Ethereal and will sink into a creature attempting to Siphon mana from the target If Successful It will do 1d4 damage and the user will gain a Buff*

* Still uncertain if should be a set buff based on creature type and extending onto class type as well another suggestion was to leave it up to DM

Level 3

Mana Hound: This Passive ability Allows the user to detect magic items within 15ft radius As well as being able to tell if any magic has been used within 15ft radius Seen as tears in the “fabric” can also make an investigation roll to see what school of magic it was that caused this tear.

Level 6

Mana Echoes: Through the use of the mana tears the user replicates a spell (Cannot use one higher there their maximum spell level) takes up a spell slot equal to the level used. Can use a Sorc Point to cast the spell from the point of the tear as if the user was there

Level 14

?????

Level 18

Harvest: Once Per long rest ability User Siphons all mana in a 10ft Radius centered on the caster any creature in the area of effect must make a dex save roll or take 2d10 damage on succeful save only takes half

For every 10 damage dealt restores 1 spell slot ( example 10= lvl1 , 30=lvl 3 slot)

>>423604

My bad broski its 5e

Also yea

>>316906

Man do I love your post. I'm curious, tho, about applying it to systens I dislike.

< Pathfinder

>> Ease of play

While I'm not a fan of 1dX system, unless someone brought up an obscure rule, like how high characters can jump, we could play whole sessions without opening a book.

<< Crunch

Monk vs AM BARBARIAN vs Wizard. 'nuff said, it's a broken mess.

<< Player options

Trap options galore which can have characters down in one round encounters meant to challenge the whole group or have your character remain completely useless.

< Shadowrun

<< Ease of play

The complexity of tracking wound penalties, recoil, range, visibility, upgrades, implants, wind force, spread, ammo type and burst fire modifiers GUARANTEES no roll you'll ever make will both take under 2 minutes and be accurate.

>> Crunch

Curiously not so unbalanced. For a game this complex, very few characters will end up not contributing at all, and most who will probably were made thay way on purpose. The decking shit should be NPC work tho. Plus the lore is pretty good.

>> Player Options

Varied. Significant. Often, even without perusing the very complex rule set, you end up with a viable character. Exception duly noted of Aspected Mages. Also, reagents, foci and programs are a bit too obscure.

Huh. Seems to me that there's a degree aspect that's important to denote with your theory.

> A game designer might wish to be okay in all 3 aspects rather than awesome in two and terrible in one.

< On the other hand, 3.PF / Shadowrun are quite succesful despite or because they min-max those 3 aspects.

Food for thoughts.

>>419128

1. Tracking Fatigue per round is going to be tedious and will be forgotten if not at every round.

2. I expect a character at 0 hp becomes unconscious / dying. If he is, what is the point of adding a single point? Might as well max him out.

3. Even with DR, seasoned heroes with a single hit die fighting in a system that uses no bell curve and thus extremely fickle seems like prone to frequent, unwanted and inevitable character deaths.

May I suggest you take a look at the Epic 6 rule set for D&D 3.5? I made a variation for Star Wars saga, otherwise another horrible d20 game, and it worked excellently, avoiding HP bloats while still giving the feeling of progress.

4. Why use d6 for initiative? As much as I hate d20, unless you want modifiers to matter a lot, granularity and the lack of a bell curve seems desirable in that instance, the thing d20 is actually suited best to do.

Working on a homebrew D&D system that is a mashup of 3.5e, 5e, and a bit of Pathfinder. All set in a homebrew setting called "Red Tide". It utilizes the simplicity of advantage from 5e, while keeping the3.5e multi-classing options. Characters get stat boosts based on the races and classes they choose. I have created a spell resistance system, created 2 new classes, the Shaman and the Dread Knight. I am hoping to start playing here in the next month. Maybe after it is all done ill make a link available to those that are interested.

>>416700

>>416701

I know you've gone a long time without a reply, but this post caught my attention (it's my first time dipping my head into this thread, or homebrewing in general). Initially I was opposed to your idea on principle, but after some consideration, I think it has potential if you pair it with other mechanics.

Broadly speaking, this seems like the kind of dice system that encourages players to revel in minutiae, but without being simulationist, and you should be proud of doing what I previously would have thought to be impossible. Thus, as you noted in one of your drawback points, how do you make this system engaging within the context of a larger TTRPG? I think the solution may be to take a more generic approach to the larger details: instead of doing full prep, you could measure story progress in "narrative units" that allow you to advance towards a conclusion, or move away from it depending on your successes and failures within a specific situation.

There were some Dungeon Generator and Adventure Generator-style PDFs in the share thread a while ago. I'm not sure if I saved them, but that's what I'm imagining would pair well: the party can focus on the simple stuff in terms of slashing monsters and the larger story beats are automatically generated. Perhaps the party's progress within the story could be its own object, and the more the party succeeds at minor tasks, the higher its modifiers are: when you need to advance the story, you roll and do something appropriate. There was one particular system that used this style of story progression, and the players and Big Bad all had generic names to better facilitate it (The Evil, The Barbarian, The Hunter, etc.) I think the name was Mythic or something. It's bugging me that I can't recall it.

Anyway, that's my view on the system you've created. If I were to make one system change, I might reduce it from a three-roll system to a two-roll system. I prefer simpler mechanics in general, I think having one roll to determine success/failure and one roll to determine the degree of it would be enough; having a system where you can simultaneously succeed and fail and succeed, then fail-forward would be very difficult to grok on the level needed for quick, intuitive play.

Please do keep developing this idea, though; I would like to see it implemented because it has real potential, and I love any alternative to shitty d20 systems.