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It appears that, for the most part, the /sw/ hivemind agrees that the prequels were flawed films, but criminally underrated and not nearly as bad as the RLM-driven hysteria implies. The setting of a once-mighty but crumbling Republic, ostensibly a force for good but overrun with corruption, decadence, and bureaucracy, is excellent, and a a good explanation for how the Empire came to be. The Jedi Order is a microcosm of that, being powerful with tens of thousands of Knights, but after so many years of peace and living inside a literal ivory tower, they've become too cloistered from the needs of the people of the galaxy, and act more as an extension of the Senate rather than an independent force for good. Sheev's rise to power is top-notch, and even detractors of the trilogy will agree that he raises any scene when included in it. The kinship between him and Anakin, and the corresponding fall of the latter, is also compelling storytelling. But there are flaws nonetheless, albeit minor ones that may be fixed without completely rewriting everything. So, what are these flaws, and what's the best way to rectify them?
Starting with The Phantom Menace:
>Jar-Jar
Let's start with the biggest and most obvious one. I think if you just cut all of his scenes that aren't on Naboo, you've taken out a large portion of his annoyances. His comic relief antics on Naboo, while still cringy at times, are more often him succeeding out of luck in spite of clumsiness (rather than just acting like a dumbass for no reason), and generally move the story forward. Restricting it to this makes him more endearing as a character and the annoyances far more bearable.
>young Anakin
He's a precocious little shit, no two ways about it. I think he should have been a teenager in TPM instead of nine. It would have made the ensuing romance between and Padme less weird, for one. I know that her character was supposed to be only 13 during the events of TPM, but it's still visually jarring to have Anakin grow up and be played by a completely different actor in AotC, while Padme's barely aged at all. I think it would also help if his was one of several starfighters that made it into the eternal structure of the droid control ship, and his subsequent destruction of it only happened after the other pilots had already made some tactical moves to set things up. Then, after they all get shot down, and Anakin flounders about for a bit and almost gets killed himself before R2 pulls him out of a jam, and ends up dealing the final blow that the other pilots were only moments away from making. Also, I think there should be some throwaway dialogue somewhere to justify why Anakin was dragged along with the Jedi into warzone instead of kept in relative safety.
>muh midi-chlorians
I personally don't think this is as big a deal as some make it out to be, especially when you consider that midi-chlorians aren't the Force, just a living aspect of it. However, I do see the issues and it seems to have rustled a lot of jimmies, so I think the best option would be to be a little more explicit about them just being a yardstick for the Force.
>Maul and the duel
I thought this was handled pretty well overall. The fight scene was enjoyable to watch, and while there wasn't any personal tension between Maul and the Jedi, there didn't have to be. Maul is a very intimidating villain on his own, and that makes the audience invested in this duel. Normies (parroting Plinkett) bitch about this fight being tensionless choreography, but I just don't see it. I have no idea what that plasma-shaft room is, though. Or why it's on the main floor of the royal palace. It's a cool visual and all but it would be nice to have context for these things.
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▶ No.12589>>12603
>>12588 (OP)
Attack of the Clones:
People complain about the Padme/Anakin relationship being forced and abrupt, pointing mostly to their interactions while on Naboo. Others have pointed out how Anakin being physically strong yet emotionally innocent would make panties drop on women all over the galaxy, particularly a woman to whom he's personal bodyguard. And this is a good point to make, one I agree with. But lackluster writing and a wooden delivery by Hayden Christensen (I'm told this is becasue of Lucas's direction and not any deficiency in Christensen's talent, but whatever the source it needs to be fixed), serve to dilute this sentiment. Anakin on Naboo comes off as detached and clinically autistic more than he does nervous and awkward, particularly in the dialogue scene that included the now-infamous "sand" line from him. For some reason, this line is seen as the worst part of the prequels by a ridiculous margin. And this memery is odd and exaggerated, but it does highlight a legitimate problem that the prequels have: lack of visual storytelling. Cinema is made more compelling when you take full advantage of the medium, and show as often as you tell. This exchange between Padme and Anakin is a poor example of this, because they're just standing on a balcony and talking; you could just hear the exchange on the radio and you wouldn't miss a whole lot. I'm no director, but what if that scene took place on an actual beach, perhaps the very same one that Padme is talking about? Maybe have Padme idly run her fingers through the sand as she reminisces. Maybe she's sitting directly on the sand while Anakin is on a towel, or a space lawn chair, or some shit. Or they're both sitting in chairs, but Anakin has a canopy or an umbrella or something that keeps him in distinct shade compared to Padme, emphasizing that he doesn't like the environment he's in and is shielding himself from it. This happens to a lesser extend in Kamino, where Obi-Wan and Taun We are just walking past semi-static imagery of the clone factory while talking. The visual aspect is there, but it's just a wide and static backdrop, it doesn't directly affect what's happening, nor are either of the characters interacting with it.
Also, Count Dooku really needs more screentime here. It's not a good use of the actor to keep him limited, and I think the story would benefit from a little more exposition on Dooku's motivations for leaving the Jedi and starting the Confederacy, establishing him more firmly as an idealist who disagrees with the Republic for legitimate to some degree political reasons, and sees the Jedi less as morally wrong and more as misguided enemy combatants in service of the Republic. Because that aspect of Dooku isn't properly expanded upon in the film proper, he comes off instead as a Sith who happens to be very well-spoken and in control of himself. Really, the CIS in general could do with a treatment like this. The films should be a little more clear that, while Sidious was just manipulating them for his own ends, there were legitimate motivations for so many systems to attempt to secede from the Republic, and that the Clone Wars weren't the righteous fighting evil, but a more amoral conflict about the dominant political body putting down a rebellion.
RotS:
Like mentioned before, the Separatists could be fleshed out a little more, something greater than the one line Padme says towards the beginning about how they might not all be completely bad. Those deleted scenes where Padme is working to start up what eventually becomes the Rebellion would probably be pretty good for this. The only other major complaint I have writing-wise is Padme just dying because she "lost the will to live." It's inelegant, and on top of that not entirely consistent with the mindset of her character. Padme's last words are to declare that there still is good somewhere within Darth Vader, which implies she still does have some kind of hope, and as such hasn't lost the will to live. Making her succumb to injuries dealt by Vader makes more sense, and more organically establishes the fall of Anakin.
This is far from a comprehensive list of changes that could be made. I've been focusing mostly on my personal gripes with the writing direction as opposed to the editing or cinematography, mostly becasue I don't consider myself qualified to critique these things. Anons that can expand on other aspects, or think my complaints are bullshit, please pitch in to this.
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▶ No.12591>>12593
>TPM
remove that scene of the creature farting on tatooine and that's pretty much all that needs to be done. the rest is childish and silly, but acceptable
>AOTC
make anakin seem less autistic in directing, even though lucas intentionally directed him to be stiff because he can't handle himself around girls he gets hardons from, it still comes off as bad acting
>ROTS
i honestly can't complain about much except for the retcons and straight up giveaway of anakin being vader, it ruins the twist of empire. there are two ways of going about this: first would be to have obi-wan in more of a qui-gon role from the start, anakin as his apprentice and the taking on of another student that could possibly be darth vader. the other way is simply to have anakin's fate left unknown and then poof, vader pops up. in either case though, anakin should never be directly addressed as darth vader.
overall, add back in some deleted scenes like anakin fighting greedo or the birth of the rebellion and the films are then much better for those neat little tie-ins.
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▶ No.12592
>>12588 (OP)
Pretty much exactly what I would fix. I could go either way on young Anakin's age though. The actor was pretty weak though, which is a shame since the guy didn't seem all that bad and is now known as little Ani all grown up who got arrested for speeding.
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▶ No.12593
>>12591
>TPM
The farting scene definitely, but I think Anakin being the one to have destroyed the station probably also needs to go.
>AOTC
Definitely, but unlike the first one, that's impossible to edit out or fix, ever. Unless the whole movie was remade and I certainly don't want that in this day and age of mediocrity and overemphasis on special effects as a substitute for quality writing.
>ROTS
At first I was going to disagree with you, but an aura of mystery would have definitely been interesting.
The fight with Greedo is unnecessary and really doesn't add much. Lucas and his team removed it after apparently finding out it contradicted his EU backstory and also for implying that he was way older than he looked in ANH. I guess that's why George added him in the CW movie for whatever reason.
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▶ No.12595>>12598 >>12600
The Prequels were perfect, go fuck yourself.
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▶ No.12598
>>12595
Calm the fuck down. No one is saying they're bad. Just in need of some tweaking, like any other fucking movie ever as none of them are truly perfect unless its Casablanca or The Maltese Falcon
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▶ No.12600
>>12595
I wouldn't call anything perfect, not even my favorite pieces of media. The prequels aren't poor films by any measure, but I think they stray a little farther from that ideal than the OT.
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▶ No.12602>>12642 >>13166
>>12588 (OP)
>muh Jar Jar
Jar Jar was there for a reason, you dumbfuck, he was supposed to be a pretty crucial character but because retard fanboys are incapable of being more perceptive than the average five year old, Lucas got a shitton of flack for nothing and Jar Jar's role was scrapped.
As for the rest, TPM just needs to go in its entirety. It's not a bad movie on its own but it's just extended setup for a plot that ultimately contributes maybe 10% to the overarching trilogy arc. Qui-Gon Jinn is pointless, Darth Maul is pointless, kid Anakin was fucking annoying and Obi-Wan was background decoration when he should've been a crucial character.
Just do something akin to Man of Steel where Anakin's childhood is a twenty minute prologue followed by a time skip to him as an adult if you REALLY needed to see Anakin Skywalker as a goddamn nine year old.
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▶ No.12603>>12646
>>12589
Padme didn't die because of losing the will to live, she died because Palpatine literally drained her life force to keep Anakin alive. That's the only way Sheev would even know she had died.
And generally, Anakin's entire reason for falling needed to be reworked. "Muh Padme" was never going to be a compelling or strong enough reason no matter which way you slice it and there have been FUCKLOADS of writers who have done their best to rationalize that bullshit away but it just doesn't work and it even destroys Vader's redemption at the end of ROTJ because he, once again, only changes because a loved one is in danger.
It would've worked better if Anakin fell to the Dark Side was something akin to Arthas' fall in Warcraft III - consorting with a dark power to help him defeat the Separatists (I would've used General Grievous for this - it's annoying how Anakin never got to fight him) that slowly corrupts him and makes him cold even towards those he cares about - such as Padme and Obi-Wan.
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▶ No.12606
Redo the story in videogame format and use the novels of the films as a basis
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▶ No.12613>>12615 >>12619
>H-hey goyim, boo those prequels, eh? Eh?
>>>12602
>Jar Jar was there for a reason, you dumbfuck, he was supposed to be a pretty crucial character but because retard fanboys are incapable of being more perceptive than the average five year old, Lucas got a shitton of flack for nothing and Jar Jar's role was scrapped.
Fuck off back to reddit you dumb nigger.
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▶ No.12615>>12616
>>12613
<H-hey goyim, boo those prequels, eh? Eh?
>It appears that, for the most part, the /sw/ hivemind agrees that the prequels were flawed films, but criminally underrated and not nearly as bad as the RLM-driven hysteria implies.
Learn to read you doublenigger
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▶ No.12616>>12618
>>12615
>oy vey! I just want to point out how they could be improved!
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▶ No.12618
>>12616
There's nothing wrong with that. Stop being a faggot and start being constructive.
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▶ No.12619>>12631
>>12613
>double spaces everything like a redditor
>acts like a nigger
<tells others to go back to reddit
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▶ No.12631
>>12619
>m-muh spacing
>pushing reddit theory
>pushing kike attempts to badmouth the prequels
<reeeeeee stop it goyim
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▶ No.12642
>>12602
>he was supposed to be a pretty crucial character
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▶ No.12644>>12646 >>13187 >>13442
Anakin was a republic pilot from Tatooine, brother of Owen, the war broke due Clone Masters using clone armies to conquer the republic, Anakin was a pilot, during the war he meet Obi Wan, who passing by Tatooine detects the Force in him and took him as a apprentice and recruits him to the war effort. Owen refuses to leave and blames Anakin for leaving his family.
Palpatine, the Supreme Chancelor, who could be behind the Clone Masters aggression against the Republic, or just using the unrelated war to increase his own power, seduces Anakin and make him betray the jedi.
Anakin meets Padme during the war, they marry, Anakin betrays everyone, Padme goes into hiding with the Organas, eventually die of depression or suicide due Anakin's betrayal and the loss of Luke.
Luke goes to live with his uncle in Tatooine, whoo started to use the name Lars, his mother maiden name, in rejection of Anakin abandon of their family.
There, i fixed everything.
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▶ No.12646
>>12644
>There, i fixed everything
No you didn't, you wrote a completely different story that could range anywhere from okay to complete and utter shit depending on how it was executed. Without seeing this produced we have no way of knowing whether or not it will be better or worse than the prequels we got, which is why it's more productive to tweak what we got instead of a complete rewrite.
>>12603
>Padme didn't die because of losing the will to live, she died because Palpatine literally drained her life force to keep Anakin alive. That's the only way Sheev would even know she had died.
If true, it's nowhere in the film's script. And using EU material (if that's indeed the source of this) to explain script discrepancies doesn't change the weakness of the original writing. In any case, this explanation doesn't make much sense. Obi-Wan had already taken Padme to Polis Massa by the time Sidious landed on Mustafar, so when would he have had the opportunity to drain her life-force? And Sheev doesn't need to know that Padme is dead to tell as much to Vader. He saw his compassion for her as a weakness, and would have told him the same thing whether she was alive or not to eliminate that compassion.
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▶ No.12810
>but how did palpatine know Padme was dead?????
Considering Naboo held a giant funeral for her I think word clearly got out. There’s no indication how long Anakin was being operated on, or when Obi wan offloaded Padme’s corpse.
To add to that, Palpatine is a wizard who has visions.
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▶ No.13079>>13090 >>13091 >>13166
>>Jar-Jar
Face it, if it was revealed that George really planned for him to be the Dark Lord behind everything all it would've been up there with "I am your father". Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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▶ No.13090
>>13079
That would be something Rian would do: subverting expectations in an empty and unintelligent manner.
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▶ No.13091>>13144 >>13166
>>13079
No, it's a trash-tier reddit meme and deserves to be treated as such.
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▶ No.13092>>13096 >>13105 >>13144
The major problem with the PT is that they fudged the characters.
The decision to start with kid Anakin means we never really get the chance to know Anakin as the great man he was said to be. We go from a kind of annoying Kid, to murderous psychopath, and we skip out that important mid-point of the story where we could have actually warmed to him as a character (I hear the Clone Wars show alleviates this problem, though I have not seen it). I think casting two separate actors to play the character was also a mistake, as it creates a disconnect.
Padme is just boring. A stuffy politician doesn't really make for a compelling character. I'm not sure how I would have written her. It's tempting to say just do Princess Leia again, but I'd rather a little more originality than that. I guess what you have to do is ask yourself what kind of a woman Luke and Leia's mother would have been and work back from there.
Obi-wan I actually like a lot in these movies, but I was never really sold on his relationship to Anakin. He seemed less a "brother", and more work colleague who secretly resented having to work with him. I say make them the same age in Episode One, show them bonding more, and push the idea that the death of their mutual father figure Qui-gon drives them closer together.
Jar-Jar should have been less an obnoxious jackass, more a lovable loser. Strangely, the character of Malachi from Prisoners of the Lost Universe is the first thing coming to mind for an example. Maybe a little Samwise Gamgee, or Baldrick. The reveal of him being an undercover Sith spy could potentially have been really interesting. Probably best not to make him a CGI character, and do something about that voice.
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▶ No.13096>>13097 >>13101 >>13106 >>13146
>>13092
>Kid Anakin
Yeah, Movie one should have started out with young Adult padwan Anakin & a bit older Obi-wan fighting in the already raging clone wars. In addition the movie should have really focused on the relationship/friendship of the two characters Anakin and Obi-wan but through Obi-wan's perspective. Also given that this is a prequel steps should have been taken to not "spoil" the OT as the point of a prequel is to watch it before the original right? So when Anakin turned and became Vader provisions should have been made to imply that he killed Anakin..
>Count dooku/ evil villian
Christopher Lee was criminally under used, he should have either have killed Qui-gon or been the "emperor" like super bad guy to beat until it is revealed at the end of the 3rd movie that he was just a puppet. Also he was a Jedi he could have walked among them undermining the jedi order before being revealed as evil perhaps been one of Anakin's instructors. In any case the movie needed a cool bad guy to focus on, Maul for example would have worked better if he had gotten away after the fight and the next 2 movies are dedicated to obi-wan/Anakin finding this guy to bring him to justice only to find that he was just a grunt.
>Padme
She was unnecessary as a character and was pushed by George or whomever because they wanted another connection to the OT. OT had a girl as part of the main characters lets redo that….
At best Padme should have been a side character mentioned/shown a few times when needed to by the story/plot.
The Romance between Anakin and Padme should have been largely off camera and only subtle glimpses of anything more than a work relationship should have been seen.
Ships/Sets:
Everything in the PT is too round and clean where as in the OT everything is blocky and dirty, the PT should have mirrored the OT a bit better here as its very jarring.
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▶ No.13097>>13099
>>13096
>She was unnecessary as a character and was pushed by George or whomever because they wanted another connection to the OT. OT had a girl as part of the main characters lets redo that….
Did you miss the whole "motivation for turning to the dark side" thing?
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▶ No.13099
>>13097
No, I'm saying she wasn't needed as a major supporting character the motivation of saving her life could have still served it purpose with a more subtle "romance" rather than filling up screen time for a character that was boring and really had no other purpose.
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▶ No.13101>>13105
>>13096
>Everything in the PT is too round and clean where as in the OT everything is blocky and dirty
I've been over this before, but that was an intentional design choice to show the differences between the galaxy under the Old Republic, and the Galaxy under the Empire.
The Old Republic has more of a gentle feel, with a touch of artistry, particularly pre-clone wars with the sleek chrome ships, and the bright yellow polished star fighters, that seem to be more ceremonial pieces than things that see much action.
The Empire is very stark, brutalist, utalitarian, conjuring up images of Soviet or Fascist architecture. The Rebels and outlaws are scraping by with whatever cobbled together or scavenged tech they can get their hands on.
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▶ No.13105>>13106 >>13107 >>13146
>>13092
>fighting in the already raging clone wars
I'm probably alone with this, but I think George made the right decision by not starting the PT with the clone wars. The first movie was supposed to be an introduction to a lot of things, mostly characters but also the setting, the Republic. Like >>13101 said, it was a deliberate design choice that everything is supposed to look elegant and shiny, the galaxy is still at peace mostly and there hasn't been a major conflict for a very long time.
It makes you think back to what Obi-Wan said in ANH, a more civilized age, even though we still see that it isn't perfect and that its glory days are probably over.
So by showing us all of this, all the following events, like the beginning of the war, Palpatine's rise to power and the end of the Republic, have a lot more impact imo. We see what's at stake, what the characters are fighting for and what they stand to lose.
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▶ No.13106
>>13105
Fuck, meant to quote this post >>13096
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▶ No.13107>>13111
>>13105
I agree, Episode I should still remain as an intro to the setting and characters. One thing I'd like to change, but not sure how, is the timeframe. A mere twenty years seems a little too short an interlude between Palpatine declaring the rise of the Empire and the state of the galaxy as seen in ANH in my opinion. However, I can't think of a practical way to do this, as Luke and Leia still need to be about 20 years old at the the start of ANH, but it's not practical for them to be born after Anakin falls.
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▶ No.13111
>>13107
Do we need to show the complete transformation of Anakin into Vader?
MGS3 is often cited as one of the best prequel stories, and MGS3 does something quite strange for a prequel, it doesn't show us the backstory we're already familiar with taking place. We don't actually see Big Boss turn into the warlord supervillain he's destined to become. More, we see the series of events that will lead to that eventuality set in order. While they did make later games dealing more directly with the character's fall to villainy, there was really no need. The final scene of MGS3 gives you everything. Big Boss is brokenhearted, feeling betrayed by the country he gave everything for. Fastforward a few decades and you arrive at criminal warlord Big Boss. Your mind fills in the blanks.
The prequel trilogy could have maybe ended on Anakin failing to save his mother's life, or making use of dark side techniques in order to achieve something heroic, like winning the clone wars. Perhaps the final scene could be Palpatine locked up somewhere while the Republic celebrates the winning of the clone wars, and Anakin going to visit him. I don't know, just vague ideas.
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▶ No.13112
The worst thing about midi-chlorians is that Zahn had already created a far better way to show force potential: When a force sensitive has a certain part of their mind probed they reflexively push the prober away, with the effect being a factor of their training and overall potential. If Qui-Gon tried this on Anakin and got thrown across the room (maybe even have him get force choked instead if you wanted to be really crazy), it would be really impressive looking, and show Anakin's potential instead of telling us about it. Obi-Wan could have an actual point here by giving context and talk about how it was for him.
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▶ No.13144>>13150 >>13166
>>13091
Just because something originated on reddit (which this concept didn't - it was around long before reddit got on-board with it), does not automatically make it trash. I know the chans are allergic to it because "muh reddit" or something but it's fucking retarded behavior. This is /sw/, not /b/ or /pol/ or even /tv/.
>>13092
>(I hear the Clone Wars show alleviates this problem, though I have not seen it)
It only partially does but at the cost of making Anakin's character vastly different from the films and making his fall to the Dark Side because of Padme even harder to swallow. It sorta works in the movies because Anakin is a relatively ostracized, lonely and kind of socially awkward Jedi and he doesn't have many people to turn to besides Obi-Wan (who spends most of the films shitting on him), Padme, whom he clings onto because of mommy issues and Palpatine, who plays the kindly grandfather role in contrast to the Jedi Order, which is mostly made up of pricks none of whom particularly like Anakin or are outright jealous of him. Clone Wars turns him into a pretty popular, wise-cracking, charming war hero who has a much better relationship with other Jedi and has an apprentice to boot. That's a problem with most EU material involving Anakin, actually. The writers clearly want Anakin to be a completely different character to what he canonically is and try to tie it to the films with the flimsiest excuses even when it clearly doesn't work.
>Padme is just boring. A stuffy politician doesn't really make for a compelling character. I'm not sure how I would have written her. It's tempting to say just do Princess Leia again, but I'd rather a little more originality than that. I guess what you have to do is ask yourself what kind of a woman Luke and Leia's mother would have been and work back from there.
Padme's problem is that's she's basically Leia 2.0, except sans the bitchy attitude and snarkiness (most of the time). Even Leia is a pretty boring character, it's just people back then were far more forgiving of this shit plus her dynamic with Han Solo was at least mildly entertaining. Padme is soft-spoken, dull, not particularly nice to look at and basically an "angel". Lucas should've just replaced her with a female Jedi as Anakin's love interest. It's what most people assumed when it came to Luke and Leia's mother, plus it would've made the whole "forbidden romance" angle at least a little more engaging when both parties have to keep it on the down low lest they get kicked out of the Order, rather than just one. That being said, Padme's biggest issue is being the source of Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. That was just an astonishingly dumbass idea on Lucas' behalf and I'm surprised absolutely no-one challenged him over it.
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▶ No.13146
>>13096
>Christopher Lee was criminally under used, he should have either have killed Qui-gon or been the "emperor" like super bad guy to beat until it is revealed at the end of the 3rd movie that he was just a puppet.
I think being a puppet was a criminal misuse of Count Dooku. I thought he would've worked better as a co-apprentice of Darth Plagueis along with Sidious, with Plagueis raising the two to be rivals but miscalculating when the two team-up to murder his ass and then hatch a plan to bring down the Republic as equal co-conspirators rather than master and apprentice. Then we could've had some awesome Machiavellian dickery where Dooku and Palpatine are constantly trying to screw each other over and be top dog while ostensibly working together for a common goal, with Ventress and Maul as their respective apprentices. Obviously, Palpatine wins in the end but it would've been fun to watch.
>In any case the movie needed a cool bad guy to focus on, Maul for example would have worked better if he had gotten away after the fight and the next 2 movies are dedicated to obi-wan/Anakin finding this guy to bring him to justice only to find that he was just a grunt.
No, this is just a shit idea that people who wanted the PT to be exactly like the OT keep spewing. The movies didn't need one central bad guy like Darth Vader, they just needed better writing and ideas.
>>13105
Honestly, I disagree. The series didn't need to start in the middle of the Clone Wars but it certainly would've worked better as a story of how the Clone Wars began, among other things. You still get a look at the galaxy at peace, even if a brief one, because that's all people really need to get the general idea of the Republic's "Golden Age".
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▶ No.13150>>13164
>>13144
>That being said, Padme's biggest issue is being the source of Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. That was just an astonishingly dumbass idea on Lucas' behalf and I'm surprised absolutely no-one challenged him over it.
Wholehearted agreement. Anakin really, really needed something deeper there.
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▶ No.13164>>13184
>>13150
>something deeper
Just make Padme more exciting as a character. Old stories are full of heroes doing terrible things for the one they love.
>Padme is because mommy issues
Are you autistic? He's had a crush on her since childhood.
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▶ No.13166
>>12588 (OP)
I always imagined that midi-chlorians were both a clasified biological microbe
biological microbe, and jedi-made excuse for some political fiasco that involved some idiot with power and the nature of the force itself.
I'm going to agree with >>12602 and extend on it. Gungan speech is basically Pidgin, Jar-Jar was the perfect storm of obnoxiousness because he has both a grating, nasally voice, on top of the stupid-sounding pidgin speak.
>>13079
>>13091
>>13144
I just think it's stupid, regardless of where this meme came from.
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▶ No.13184>>13192
>>13164
>Old stories are full of heroes doing terrible things for the one they love.
Usually fitting with their character. In Anakin's case, it doesn't fit. At all.
>Are you autistic? He's had a crush on her since childhood.
Are you? Did you miss the part in the movies where the entire reason he's so attached to Padme that he goes to Sidious is because of Shmi dying and how Padme was like a replacement mother/carer to him? It's not exactly buried under the surface, the themes are right there.
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▶ No.13187>>13391 >>13424 >>13442
>>12644
Wasn't that basically how the Clone Wars was supposed to go down originally? I know in the Thrawn trilogy Mara Jade seemed horrified by the fact Thrawn was using clone storm troopers and thought they were too dangerous. It seemed to hint that the clones were the aggressors in that war.
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▶ No.13192>>13488
>>13184
>at all
Why? Elaborate.
>entire reason
No. You're making shit up now. I'll admit its been a while since I watched those movies, but nothing points in that direction, including what happened in Episode I, which you seem determined to ignore. Lucas doesn't seem the type to go all Freudian with this.
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▶ No.13391>>13392
>>13187
I'm not sure the clone wars was much of anything originally. Just a cool sounding thing Lucas threw in there. Having only read Heir to the Empire, I think the idea that Zahn was going for was clones being emotionally unstable like Replicants in Blade Runner.
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▶ No.13392
>>13391
I always thought Zahn's idea would be far more interesting overall. The actual thing seemed more illogical overall and created a shit ton of living factory made slaves made to die after 30+ years of life and who would be used for cheap labor and law enforcement across the galaxy after the whole war was over, effectively taking millions of jobs from people for almost 20 years.
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▶ No.13424
>>13187
>Wasn't that basically how the Clone Wars was supposed to go down originally?
I wouldn't put it quite like that - the Expanded Universe authors didn't have much to go on for what the Clone Wars might have been, but what they did figure it could have involved best fit that sort of story, yeah.
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▶ No.13442
>>13187
>>12644 here. Well i used all the backstory scraps from the movies themselves and EU
>Anakin being a pilot and recruited by Obi-Wan
"When I first met him, your father was already a great pilot. But I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi"
When Obi Wan speaks those lines, we think of a grown up man piloting ships, starfighters, not a kid who used to run in podracers of accidentally blow ship. And spinning, because it's a good trick.
>Clone Masters
As other said, the old EU books are vague on what the "Clone" Wars were, and referenced some "clone masters". So, it was quite simple to take them as the aggressors against the Republic.
>Owen being Anakin's brother
Obi-Wan said
"He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved. … You father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did"
That implies that Anakin and Owen were indeed kin, and that Obi Wan actually tried to recruit Owen as well. That implies ressentment, brothers going apart, not a step brother who meet each other for 5 minutes and that's all.
>Padme's with the Organas.
Pretty obvious. "Your mother, your real mother". "Died when i was young". Padme didnt't died in childbirth.
>Palpatine using the war
The old novelizations told that Palpatine manipulated his position and became emperor. That, i guess, is the only thing that Lucas managed to keep in line with the old novelizations when he made the prequels.
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▶ No.13449>>13450
I wouldn't change a damn thing, because I respect George for doing the prequels under his own steam. Why would you diminish them by making them more palatable for the average viewer? I'd take what we got over some mediocre designed-by-committee tripe that Disney shits out.
Could they be improved? Yes. But why? Minor changes do little to affect the overall viewing experience. Any big changes, and the prequels are no longer the prequels we know. And I liked the prequels I got.
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▶ No.13450>>13454
>>13449
imo the only real big change i would want is for jar jar to be a bit more tragic and not a shoehorned comedic focus.
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▶ No.13454>>13728
>>13450
I really like the idea of Jar Jar being the kind of drunken bard character. It would go well with the fantasy tone of Star Wars.
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▶ No.13488
>>13192
>No. You're making shit up now. I'll admit its been a while since I watched those movies, but nothing points in that direction, including what happened in Episode I, which you seem determined to ignore.
Uh, everything points towards it. When Anakin first meets Padme, he's got a crush on her because she's a pretty older girl who was nice to him, which is normal. His 'obsession' with her starts after he is accepted into the Jedi Order and during and after the events of Episode 2. Palpatine all but spells it out when he draws comparisons with Padme and Shmi in Episode 3. It's pretty blatant and the EU material expands on it even more. I can totally accept it being a while since you've watched those movies, since you seem to have forgotten a crucial plot point.
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▶ No.13728
>>13454
That could work if he was funny.
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