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"We must secure the existence of our bank account and a future for my retarded children" - Onyx LeShelle.
This body is retardedly average.
The business model behind it is anti-trust and anti-competitive as well.
Why are people allowing this shit average mesh to rule the roost?
At best, Lara looks like a 19 year old girl, trying to do anything but skinny bitch with it makes it look ridiculous.
The ass is literally a triangle, make it big and you look like a melted hershey's kiss.
The legs are garbaggio levels of low poly, with almost zero thigh or calf definition.
There is nothing particularly outstanding about this mesh and the only thing it really has going for it is that it was a better mesh than TMP female...but thats hardly an achievement at this point because TMP is literally in fire sale mode trying to keep their revenue up.
Why...with all the headaches trying to do business with Maitreya is...are people allowing Maitreya to hold their creativity hostage by telling them what they can release at events? Why are people that used to rig for all the major bodies being coerced to drop other bodies for this piece of shit mesh?
And why do people find it acceptable that Lara has been at 4.1 for over a year, while showing NO DIRECT SIGN of being updated or improved upon ever, while Maitreya continues to enforce their anti-trust business model on the grid for creators to get access to it?
Lara is literally the option for basic bitches at this point.....and if you tell me you use it so you can be a femboy I'll just point out that Belleza Jake is a better female body than Lara in that regard.
Onyx isn't doing shit other than absorbing all the cash for AFK sex bot alts? Why don't people spend their money with active designers that are actually doing shit rather than continuing to elevate this basic mesh body system to well above its actual market share value?
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No.48031
>>48030
>That's like... not even $5
Yeah but a state of the art human avi will run something like 10k total. You can cheap out by getting a static gacha head and gift hair/clothes but it'll still be hard to find something decent for under 5k.
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No.48034
>>48028
This look here is best realized with Belleza Isis or Freya....and it will cost more than 1000 L definitely. Go hard or go home.
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No.48038
>>48034
Slink Hourglass is also a good option. I say Freya or Hourglass for best curvy/thicc.
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No.48041
>>48028
Either Belleza Freya or Anthro Anim bimbo or learning how to convert DAZ3d models to SL
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No.48055
>>48028
A fully decked out human mesh bento avatar is gonna cost you around $50-60.
So like 12500 - 15,000 lindens.
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No.48059
>>48055
You are fucking retarded
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No.48060
>>48059
Fully decked out you need
>Bento body
>Catwa bento head + facial animations
>Good looking skin
>AO/Poses
>Extra face animations
>Hair
>Body accessoires (Piercings or makeup)
>At least a few outfits
If you plan on doing the lewd you also need:
>Face/Breast/Ass slappers + body cum system (If you plan on playing as a thot like 90% of SL)
>Cock or bento pussy
>Lewd facial animations
Good luck getting all that shit under 12500L
Also kill yourself because you're probably a furfag or anime anyway.
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No.48062
>>48060
>catwa bento head + animations
You don't need a catwa head, there's great heads for much cheaper than that and the only thing you're missing out on is appliers
>Good looking skin
Just ask someone for one
>AO
Yeah go spend 2kL$ on one of many Body Language AOs that sways from side to side
>Extra face animations
I don't see the point unless you're really into screenshooting
>Hair
300-400L per color pack usually, not a big expense
>Body accessories (makeup)
Tattoos are 100-200L
>Outfits
Yeah you need outfits but you're not gonna spend 5k the same day that you buy your first mesh body and head and even if you do it's a fucking waste because you likely don't have enough experience to make it look good
>Slappers and cum system
Superficial, speaking as someone who has both
>Cock or bento pussy
Cocks are important but you can live without a mesh vagona
>lewd facial animations
Preferably, yeah
That's about 30-40$ of initial investment. You're gonna spend way more than that later down the line but it's more than enough to get you off the ground.
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No.48063
>>48062
Or you could not be a cheap faggot and just invest the 50-60$
If you wanted you could make the money back by doing escort/findom/ddlg/family shit anyway. Subhumans on SL are fucking retarded with money and if they like your avatar they'll just throw it at you.
Hell I made like 2000L$ today by just standing around at some findom club lmao.
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No.48064
>Doesn't make their own body and accessories and laugh manically when people grovel at their feet for a copy.
Normie problems
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No.48065
>>48064
show us your custom avatar
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No.48068
So, and just throwing this out there, I want to make a good mesh female avatar. I don't want to spend an arm and leg, though. What should I be looking for? Links would be appreciated.
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No.48069
>>48068
What do you consider an arm and leg? A decent human mesh bento avatar is cost you a minimum of 30-40$. That is if you know what the fuck you're actually doing.
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No.48070
>>48068
>cheapest bento head, 500L
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/UTILIZATOR-Normie-Head/13071631
>most popular body, so you'll be able to find cheap shit for it, 2750L
http://meshbodyaddicts.com/mesh-body-reviews/womens-bodies/maitreya-lara/
>look for some gacha omega-compatible skin applier, you can get one for under 100L instead of the 1200L+ a non-gacha one would cost you. You can start with the marketplace
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/fr-FR/products/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search%5Blayout%5D=gallery&search%5Bcategory_id%5D=238&search%5Bsort%5D=_score_desc&search%5Bper_page%5D=12&search%5Bkeywords%5D=omega+skin&search%5Bprice_low%5D=&search%5Bprice_high%5D=&search%5Bland_impact_low%5D=&search%5Bland_impact_high%5D=&search%5Bcopy_permission%5D=0&search%5Bmodify_permission%5D=0&search%5Btransfer_permission%5D=0
>most likely you'll need an applier for your body as well, so that's around 200L more
>make your own shape for the low low price of free
>if you're not picky, hair, eyes and clothes can be found for free as gifts, on the marketplace or here:
https://fabfree.wordpress.com/
>also thrift for some cheap gacha items, you'll easily find commons for under 75L usually
That's a base price of 15$ or so. Keep in mind this will be a very basic look.
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No.48071
>>48070
Oh yeah I forgot, you need the Omega kit for maitreya. That's 199L more (didn't they use to cost 99L?)
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Omega-System-Kit-Maitreya/6709966
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No.48076
>>48071
Theyre cheaper inworld
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No.48231
>>47183
No Belleza is an absolutely retarded amount of polies.
Right click that shit on a 1080Ti with Threadripper and enjoy <1FPS
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No.48236
>>48231
>Threadripper for SL
Now that's the real retardation right there. However, I'll agree that Belleza mesh bodies are absolute garbage polygon shitfest.
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No.48242
>>48236
my substance painter bakes finish faster than yours
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No.48254
>>48231
The irony being that even though Belleza has a stupidly high amount of polygons, it's less laggy than HG. I did a test by wearing each, zooming in near the body, making sure my draw distance was low-ish so there was a little interference (because what's around you is part of rendering no matter what), right clicking, and holding for a few minutes to see what happened.
I still averaged 5 - 10 FPS more wearing Freya than the Hourglass. I don't know why. 1080ti here too, if it matters.
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No.48259
>>48254
>>48231
You're honestly a retard for having not only a 1080 but an overclocked one and then you use it for playing SL. Talk about overkill.
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No.48261
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No.48262
>>48254
If you enable "Show Avatar Complexity Informations" in the new Firestorm Beta, it will show you the amount of visible triangles and the estimated amount of total triangles of an Avatar.
A triangle thats invisible doesn't stress your GPU that much.
Old non-bento mesh heads had 1million+ triangles. But they didn't fuck you up, because from the 40 heads with different expressions that you were wearing, just one got shown.
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No.48263
I'm tired of all you faggots whining and bickering about cost, optimisation, muh appliers, maitreya stole my bitch, etc.
I'm making a new body and head combo with all the features. It's going to be free so you all can finally stop bitching and moaning at last.
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No.48264
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No.48265
>>48264
My autism know no bounds!
Here's what i've got so far.
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No.48266
>>48265
Any recommendations ? Is the geometry too dense? Does it need 12 inch cock for you faggots to choke on?
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No.48268
>>48265
>>48266
make the hands bigger and arms longer so retards can't fuck them up
looks alright otherwise, wouldnt mind seeing how thick she can go though
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No.48269
>>48265
>>48266
I recognize these edgeloops. Enjoy fitting the LL uv map on that.
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No.48270
>>48269
Granted it is pure agony to do it manually but I'm writing a python script that will help me match the uv islands generated by blender to the SLUV.
Even if it does work I'm thinking of making another version with it's own custom UV too because of the upcoming change to SL. We will >>48269
Granted it is pure agony to do it manually but I'm writing a python script that will help me match the uv islands generated by blender to the SLUV.
Even if it does work I'm thinking of making another version anyway with it's own non retarded UV layout too because of the upcoming change to SL. We will allegedly finally be able to fit 1024 textures on system skins. So combined with bakes on mesh I see no point in tetheting myself to the old SLUV other than enjoying 15 years of copybotted skins.
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No.48271
>>48266
It's looking very proportionate! nicely done
Its nice to see people going out to make their own mesh bodies. I would like to get my hands on a new thicc body mesh other than the freya.
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No.48276
>>48266
>>48265
I think the biggest issue, beyond the make and quality of the body itself, is always going to be getting clothes rigged to it from various third party manufacturers.
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No.48277
>>48270
If you need help with doing this, there are some people who wrote their own blender AddOns for optimizing meshes for SL and who made whole script-sets for mesh bodies for making HUDs that support auto-alpha, alpha-saving, skin selection and all those other fancy things that the mesh body HUDs in SL support.
So you don't necessarily have to wait for bake-on-mesh.
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No.48278
>>48276
That really is the thing at this stage. A nice body is nice, but without an audience you're in trouble. Finding a good niche is helpful and they DO exist.
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No.48280
>>48277
If by blender addon you're talking about Avastar then I already have those and they do help with the initial rigging and all the bento jazz, only requiring minimal manual weight painting.
As for Mesh body huds these things are dead easy to make. There is nothing revolutionnary about them. The reason why I'm so dead inclined for Bake On mesh is because I do not want to whore myself out to omega system for their applier because it would require for my body to be non transfer, no mod and for short non open saurces. Also, of course without omega and BoM you could simply edit the body and drop the textures on the body but normies do not want to learn something that would require 30 minutes or less of their lives.
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No.48281
>>48276
>>48278
Granted third party support is an absolute thorn in the side of anyone who want a piece of the mesh body pie. Third party support come from popularity of the product. Nobody in their right mind would support a product that nobody use.
Getting normies to widely adopt your shit could be done by simply giving it away for free. If it's quality and there's a bit of frill like the premium product people will flock to it including third party devs.
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No.48282
>>48280
Wait.
The Normie head is Omega and moddable.
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No.48283
>>48282
I've read somewhere that your content had to be no mod/no trans to be approved by omega for their appliers. But you're right the Normie head is in fact mod. But still fuck them! I still want to give my shit away for free god damn it.
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No.48284
>>48269
Check mate.
Blender wins again I've found an easy way to transfer SLUVs over no addon required through an obscure function I didn't know blender had.
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No.48285
>>48280
No, i meant the opensim guys, who are already working on all those things, they also have an OpenSource mesh body
https://github.com/ingen-lab/Ruth
(but it is not setup with their mesh body scripts — those are used in the copybot bodies)
With the blender AddOn i meant those people
https://github.com/uriesk/unregis-blender-tools
i wasn't talking about the AddOn itself, but about that they can help you make whatever you want.
>As for Mesh body huds these things are dead easy to make
https://github.com/uriesk/opensim-body-scripts
They are using Base64 encoded bitmasks for the alpha parts (so that they can do auto-hide and save alpha configurations) and have APIs for the other tattoo / clothing layers.
>>48282
but the scripts inside are not.
You can't have the omega scripts OpenSource. That would make the texture UUIDs spoof able.
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No.48286
>>48285
It looks like these will really help speed up the process thank you for the resources, I might not have to reinvent the wheel.
>You can't have the omega scripts OpenSource. That would make the texture UUIDs spoof able
Isn't it stll dead easy to grab the skin textures UUIDs once they are applied on a mesh surface anyway with something like darkstorm, pyrokitty, etc?
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No.48287
>>48286
You can join the opensimworld Discord if you need something, that's were some of them hang out https://discord.gg/xf9smv7
just don't ask bluntly for obvious copybot things
>Isn't it stll dead easy to grab the skin textures UUIDs once they are applied on a mesh surface anyway with something like darkstorm, pyrokitty, etc?
Yes, it doesn't protect anybody really, but it's how they do it. If they have it (no modify), nobody can spoof the UUID with an easy attachment and they need a copybot or cache viewer.
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No.48288
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No.48290
>>48288
You will need a quad version of the original second life system body.
-Separate your body in something like: feet, legs, torso, hands, imitating the system body style.
-Scale the system body to about the same size as your body.
-Now you're ready to SLUV map your body one piece at a time. Grab your body's legs then grab the system body's legs. Scale down the system legs so that it fits inside your own body's legs. Make sure nothing from the system's body poke through your leg or the next step will be fucked up.
-Use a subsurf modifier on the system body leg and put the level at something like 3 or 4 depending on the complexity of your own model. Untoggle modify uv in the modifier sub menu.
-Use a shrinkwrap modifier on the system's legs with your model's legs as a target, use the projection method. That's why you did the previous steps with the subsurf and the insertion overlap.
If you did a good job with scaling and did not modifiy the topoly of the system's legs both legs should now overlap with the system's leg slightly coming out at each end.
-Here is where the real shenanigans happen. Select your body's legs then shift select the system's body legs. CTRL+Shift+T and then select under: face corner data -> UVs.
-SLUVs should now be transfered over to your body's legs, repeat for every other part.
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No.48291
>>48290
wow, that's something i would have never came up with.
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No.48370
Wow this thread is actually doing something.
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No.48500
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No.48666
>>48500
it seems matreia is not above sending assassins to possible competitors
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No.48667
>>48666
Everybody talks a big line until they actually have to produce a product.
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No.49196
>>47375
>Using utilizator mode's non-mesh head shit
*laughs in no*
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