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e45981  No.10123

In this thread we discuss the ultimate redpill, the secret hidden for over 2000 years by the jews, the most based and serious and real christpill that you can possibly imagine, the ultimate weapon against the jews, and the ultimate punishment of all jewry. They have had 2000 years to manipulate the truth, to obfuscate, to introduce false teachings and schisms, and ultimately, to take over the church, but they cannot prevent the truth from being uncovered..

Jesus the Christ, the son of Man, the one who will be what he will be, the high priest who ministers before the altar and is seated at the side of the father, without whom non can know the father, and whom none can know except through the father, whom is the divine son of god, whom sends the holy councilor and provides salvation through grace, who gave his life for our sins, died on the cross, and was resurrected, yea, and whom in all who believe, repent, and recieve a baptism, whether by water or fire, for the trials we face are as surely a baptism as any, shall receive forgiveness of sins, save that against the councilor, and shall receive eternal life, and a new name without blemish, and a new body which does not wither, and shall have life in the righteous time to come...

Did not come for the jews, did not send his apostles explicitly to the jews, and did not put the jews first and foremost in his plan. The new testament is a fabrication and collection of writings highly adulturated. The mythical Q source contains the authentic stories. The words in red in matthew alone are mostly what can be trusted. "For in truth, Matthew alone of the New Testament writers expounded and declared the Gospel in Hebrew using Hebrew script."[17]t the canonical Matthew is based on a Hebrew original, and that the citations of the Gospel of the Nazarenes are part of that original.

You must understand, the contemporary record is highly fragmented, and largely compiled of word of mouth stories passed along for thousands of miles through multiple languages.. The contemporary historians were subject to just as much politically correct influence as they are today. Josephus's history was mostly rumors.

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e45981  No.10124

Here is the truth, or what little of it we can extrapolate:

The caananites and the jews are one and the same people. Melkezidek was an ancient priest and king who was an early figure in the religion of the people.The bible represents a narrative(with the earliest copy from the year 900 AD) which is entirely fabricated. The people in the land already knew god.They already worshipped. The 12 tribes, story of moses , trials in egypt were partially a fabrication. The conquest of canaan was entirely a fabrication.Moses came to liberate a people who were in exile, and who were largely wicked, and to bring them back to their homeland. They fabricated a lot of things about the exile.

The people who already lived in the land, who preserved the ancestor religion passed down from abraham and melchizedek, practiced many traditions, but forgot quite a few.

This people are first known as Arameans, and are where the aramaic language, which evolved from phenecian, lived.

Then they were called the land of caanan. Then they were known as Jebusites.

Over the centuries, as politics and religion evolved and changed, the notion of judaism and jewry as we know it slowly emerged.

The truth is, there were a number of factions present at the time of Christ each of which I shall detail as they really existed/exist:

Religious factions:

Nazareans, now known as Karaites, who reject many of the later teachings and writings of judaism(and were a religious faction within the Essenes)

Pharisees, now known as Chassadim, who give emphasis on strict compliance to the letter of the law(and were a faction within the Saducees)

Sabians, from whom came Islam, and who represent the majority of Mizrahim, who occasionally practiced heretical law and kept getting deported(most were not present)

Elcesaites, also called osseeanes, who gave rise to a short lived cult called Manichaeism and a second century christian cult called Ebionites(and were a religious faction within the essenes)

population factions:

Saducees/Herodians, or secular elite, who give rise indirectly to islam, to the Ashkenzim, the talmud, emphasis on written law as opposed to verbal

(most pharisees were from this faction, even if internally there was religious disagreement and a large number of secular jews who started a movement also called saducees)

Sabians, from whom came Islam, and who represent the majority of Mizrahim, who occasionally practiced heretical law and kept getting deported,

Scribes, or the government cast, sometimes mistakenly considered a proper faction on it's own, mostly Pharisees

Sepharim- mostly not even present in israel at the time of christ, having never quite managed to return from the iberian peninsula

Essenes, - the commoners, who invariably practiced a multitude of faiths including Mandaeism, ancestor teachings, etc.

Samaritans- often worshippers of Nergal, and constituting a large fraction of descents of peoples from Cuth, but originally, black jews- The people known as Issachar, the children of Zilpah and Bilhah.

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e45981  No.10125

Now you understand what twisted webs we weave. Christ initially came for the tax collectors, the prostitutes, the poor, the commoners. These people had lived in the land long before proper judaism began. But it was necessary for the jews to pervert and take control of the narrative, and so jewish influence over the bible began from day one. Christ was a nazarean(that is to say, a member of the sect of nazareans, a descendent of Aaron through Zadok- but the geneology in the bible is wholly fabricated to overly judaize christ within the davidic lineage) Recall that the nazareans do not embrace the plethora of judaism, and regail themselves to the pentatuch and the literal written word entirely- no rabinnical tradition. Recall that the rabinnical tradition would later result in the talmud, itself a collection of rabbinical opinion and commentary, some of which was present orally at the time of Christ.

" 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?" Christ came to fulfil the law, which rightfully predated Judaism. He did not come to fulfill Judaism. Judaism twisted the stories into a narrative and jewish christians sought to sabatoge the church from day one.

Recall that Christ established Peter as the keeper of the keys and said that there were those present who would still be alive when he returns. Peter is still alive.

When christ said “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." He was not speaking of the jews, who take a man who is lost and make him seven times as lost! Rather, he sent them to the poor, the downtrodden. Since when do the rich have use of miraculous cures for their many ailments? Since when will those who worship money feed and house a man without recompense? Have they not already received theirs?

Christ sent his apostles to the esenne multitude of israel, who were ethnically extant in the region and not necessarily what we consider jews. He went to them first, to fulfil prophecy. He told them to avoid the way of the gentile, which, at that time, meant the peoples not of israel! it did not mean non-jews. At that time, he also said, don't go to the samaritans, that is, the black peoples who worship of the covenant made with david, made after their birth, where " The LORD says to my lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."

Then he came for the rest of us. The exclusion established in the bible that makes judaism important or jews important or lost sheep of israel the jews is utter and total bullshit, and a full examination of the facts will bring light. We may consider jesus christ a jew, but only on a technicality. There is absolutely no anthropological proof he is directly related to anyone alive to day who would be considered a jew, and there is no proof anyone in his extended clan is related to them.

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de882e  No.10291

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Anyone intelligent who reads the bible would be hard pressed to believe in Jesus Christ. An abundance of diverse paths away from the essential gospel present themselves;

details emerge as fabrication or convenient gloss, and the translation, transliteration, and spiritual value of symbolic elements, specific words in specific languages, and gnostia swarm the reader. It emerges as a necessity that the infallibility, the perfection, and the credibility of a set of novels, translated from a collection of writings retained by an ecclesiastical body for over a thousand years, which internally had substantial disagreement and an infinite, perfect perplexity of gnostic, cultic, and heretical weeds rising from the fold; these writings themselves created by sectarians

who, owing to their extraordinary use of numerous true Hapax legomena, can be believed to also have intended unique meaning to many words, which in the language written(mostly greek) lend themselves to ambiguous meaning. This ambiguity, fallibility, and extraordinary persuasibility of christians to disagree on perfectly minute points and constantly introduce heresies and twisted faith necessitates a common sense revisitation to the notion of the gospel. My faith has been tested and trialed by this experience, and I have lost patience and trust in the Bible and in those who stand upon it. Furthermore, I find myself, inspired and lead by scripture itself, but also prayer and contemplation, to fundementally disagree with the interpertation of the gospel by the church. I find it necessary, and ironic, that I must invent my own definition of the Gospel.

I present here a version of the Gospel, and an attestation of beliefs, a creed in the classical sense, to inspire a religious faction that exists only via mutual association and not as an established church per say. Anyone identifying with this creed would merely refer to themself as a Messenger of Jesus Christ.

This, i attest, I call the Disciples Creed.

I attest my belief in the following:

The creator of all things, known as Lord and, to his children, as Father, is one, and the only to be worshipped, and there are no other creators or gods beside him.

Jesus Christ came to fulfill the will of his Father, and the prophecy and covenants sworn by His Father in generations past, to fulfill the promise made to his faithful servants.

He came to provide redemption from death. Death, of spirit and body, is the consequence of original sin, which absolutely corrupted all mankind from the first generation;

for which the Law provided a covering, but imperfectly enforceable, for imperfect man, and thus an excuse and a covering for the wicked.

The Father originally gave life out of himself for man, but with man's sinful state, the life returns to the Father, and the spirit lies lifeless.

The judgement of man's sin has been given to the Son, who is beloved by the Father, and the only way to the Father, and the only way to Life;

And the Father ordered that the Son, who has power over life and does not perish, would be born mortal and live without fault or blame, and perish at the hands of man;

in order to fulfill what is written, to eliminate their excuse, and to pay the redemption for the price of Man's sin in order that Man might receive eternal life.

Jesus Christ came on this earth eating and drinking and living, and fulfilling all that was written about him, and did many miracles.

He was born in the city of David, in Bethlehem, which was his hometown, and he was an Essene, of an Aaronic family descended through Zedok, a commoner.

He selected 12 faithful among the people of Israel, 12 humble men, and established them as the witnesses to, and later in judgement as kings over,

as a renewed 12, over the 12 Tribes of Israel. He furthermore had and made disciples of many, but sent them forth only to Israel before his death;

so that prophecy would be fulfilled and so that no excuse might cover the wickedness of the Jews. His message fulfilled, he was betrayed

into the hands of the authorities, and brought before a common court of opinion, which condemned him and demanded against all reason his execution.

He was mocked, declared King of the Jews, and sacrificially crucified, as all who had believed in him lost faith and turned away.

He gave his life knowing all of this, selflessly, to fulfill his Father's will, in order that his Father might be glorified.

On the third day, he rose from the dead, just as he said he would, and subsequent to events proceeding after his resurrection, ascended into heaven.

His faith was justified in his resurrection and ascension, upon which he received all authority over life and death and all things,

and he took his seat once more at the right hand of the Father, who has also given him absolute authority over the Earth and all that dwell in it.

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de882e  No.10292

Out of this authority, present from the foundation of the world, but not achieved until his resurrection, comes the covenant of Salvation.

Salvation is deliverance from the consequence of original sin through his sacrifice, where receipt of this deliverance is available for all and redeemed for all, but not provided to all;

and it is also deliverance at the resurrection from the clutches of the master of the world, who is Satan, and the means of the strength to resist him while here;

and it is also ordination for those, through grace, where faith is manifest, by prayer, receive the keys to the kingdom of heaven; granting total immunity and power over the evils of the world to bind them here and in heaven;

and it is also rebirth through the power of the holy counselor, who provides to the elect an eternal wellspring within, which is Christ manifest, from whom their life comes.

Salvation can only be obtained through the Son, and only by receiving Grace first, which is unrequited, undeserved, unearned, and divine. Grace is the knowledge of the Father.

Grace is compelled for the Son loves all those who all those in their heart seek to do the Father's will and desire him totally, but only those he chooses shall receive it;

as the Son will not reveal the Father to those who stand in those who hate the Father, and those stand in false condemnation of the works and truth of the Holy Counselor and in condemnation of the Son;

Whosoever believes in the divinity, the sacrifice, The resurrection, and the authority of the Son, and in the Father; but necessarily having also received Grace, for this are elected, which is necessary for Salvation.

It is necessary to be elected through the power of the kingdom of heaven in order to be saved, for by man nothing is possible, but by the Father, all things are possible.

There are those who have never heard of Christ, but who have received Grace, for they are beloved by the one they do not know, and this is what makes the gospel necessary.

Wherefore Election as a state proceeds Grace; with the belief in Christ, as the further receipt of the Holy Spirit and Eternal Wellspring.

Those who are Elected have their names written in heaven and are baptised with the Holy Spirit, which is an outpouring of the power of the kingdom of heaven, and from which the holy counselor proceeds.

Those who had died, but who believed in his coming, will be resurrected in the flesh among the Elect, and have received eternal life,

and certainly they are all united in one family, and have fellowship as one family and one flock, known only to the Son, and not to the world.

The living Elect, by the power of the holy counselor, receive an eternal wellspring of life within them, from the power of the Son;

And the elect who live and who have faith in Jesus Christ shall certainly not die, but shall have everlasting life.

The elect, once given salvation, are ordained, even as satan will test them greatly to turn them away, but cannot deny them to the Son, who prays constantly for them;

where their ordination is Christ's selection of them and his plan for them and their life, which the faithful shall not fail to accomplish on earth;

who knows even those who will lose faith in him and turn away, and receive them once again when they remember him, strengthening their confidence.

The Elected also have manifest proof of certainty of their Salvation and of their Election, whereby:

They hear the voice of Jesus Christ and know his will for them, who he knows with certainty, and who also know and belong to him.

They can know the plans and the will of the father concerning the earth; as the elect are the family and the friends of the Son, and therefore the Father.

The elect alone has power to not only receive but keep whatever is asked of the Father, in prayer, in faith, by the power of Grace, for the elect, in the name of Jesus Christ.

The elected alone receive the counsel of the holy counselor, who perfectly provides the knowledge and the words to overcome all challenges.

They have power of prayer in faith to invoke the power of Grace in the name of Jesus Christ, through the holy counselor in the world, which provides the agency to overcome the world and achieve all things;

Although there are also many not of the elect who will use the name of Jesus Christ to do great works, for a house divided against itself cannot stand.

But the elect will know the amity and the opposition of the world, many even before their election, for it hated him before, and it hates the father, and all those who seek him;

to be prosecuted by the world by those who prosecute the Son; and to be revered by those who revere the Son; for they do not know the Father who has sent the Son;

and indeed to be at war with the world and out of necessity on defense against it and it's fallen master, who enviously and venemously seeks in all ways to pevert and subvert the Gospel.

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de882e  No.10293

Righteous faith means certainty of the Father, but the word faith refers to a spiritual confidence in Jesus Christ.

It consists of trusting in his boundless love, his omniscient infallibility and his absolute, perfect authority;

where his boundless love is patient, kind, all-seeing, unbiased, trustworthy and faithful, having promised to provide for all things to the elect;

where his omniscient infallibility means that he has already knows and has completely overcome all obstacles in all things;

where his absolute, perfect authority has total command over all things and guarantees absolutely that all he has ordained to be achieved.

Faith manifests as obedience to the authority of Jesus Christ, which consists of disciplined vigilance, prayer, obedience to the commands he directed; and obedience to the will of the Father;

where disciplined vigilance consists of turning away from drugs, drunkenness, worry, and fascinations with compulsive and distracting cares of this life, for Christ will return when none expect it;

where prayer consists of seeking strength in all things to overcome in order to stand before the Son and have certainty of the completion of their labor for him;

where obedience to the commandments of jesus consists as follows:

1 to love one another, as he has loved the elect, and hesitate not to do anything or give anything to protect and provide for the elect;

2 to do whatever he directs; for his voice is heard by the elect in prayer, even they we hear the voice of the holy counselor;

3 to go and bring forth fruit, bearing witness to Christ through all the nations, and certainly to all Israel;

So that all who would be saved will receive the Gospel, become elect, and glorify the Father, bearing fruit;

where the fruit consists of righteous acts done in secret and righteous lives lived praising him;

where obedience to the will of the Father consists of obeying the law, fulfilling the promise, and acting upon faith to manifest grace;

Where obeying the law consists of following the 10 commandments, not only in the letter but also the spirit of the law;

to wit, 10 commandments, abridged, in correct and precise form;

1 To love the Father with all your heart, seeking his protection, praying to him only, and meditating upon, seeking his will only and essentially;

2 To obey those in authority over you without protest and to provide for those destitute without thought of loss;

3 To treat every day, in which the kingdom is certainly present, as holy, and not to be profaned with evil thoughts or deeds;

4 To never trust, make, or believe in any supposed manifestation or image of the Son, the Father, or the Kingdom, for they are found in the heart and none know the hour;

5 To not profane or speak without faith carelessly of anything concerning the holy counselor, the Father, the Son, or Grace;

6 To not kill, maim, or be angry, in any matter or for any reason, save self-defense, for their lives belong to the Father, but the elect belong to the Son;

7 To not desire or seduce after anyone who is not your helpmate, for he knows your needs and in this you demonstrate a lack of faith to provide for you;

8 To not steal or take from others, particularly those in need, but rather to forgive all debts and trespasses and provide for those in need;

9 To speak truthfully, seeking neither to deceive nor to contend nor to wage a war of words, which are by nature empty of good, which is found in deeds;

10 To not desire the glory or things that others cherish and love, to not possess the object of their love, which must compete with your love of the Father;

* That divorce is only for the unfaithful, and what the Father has joined, none other should part.

Where fulfilling the promise means carrying out the tasks that Jesus Christ assigned in order to establish his dominion over the earth;

Where the teaching of Christ is to be spread and proclaimed in all nations to all ears, so that the will of the Father might be done;

Where there are elect who do not belong to Israel but who belong to Jesus Christ through Adam and Salvation from the foundation of the world;

so that the elect shall be united with the Son and all will hear his voice.

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de882e  No.10294

I deny the following:

I deny the principle of irresistible grace. God knows all those who will seek him before they are even born, but allows their free will as a test of character.

I deny the perseverance of the saints, for it is written that he prays for those who lose faith, and it is known that he has mastery over all things.

The elect certainly can turn away, but those who receive him and know him cannot be truly lost, for he has absolute authority and they are in his flock.

I deny completely certainty of most knowledge about the nature of the holy ghost, holy spirit, father or son as it relates to trinity, or anything concerning it, whether it be equality, unity, seperation, greatness, equivalence,

measure, stature, status, division, for such knowledge not given by Jesus Christ is transcendental, and I am only a mortal.

I deny completely certainty of any knowledge concerning what parts of jesus were divine and what were mortal and what the division was,

and whether the flesh was of the mother and the spirit of the Father, or both of the Father, or being both god and man, or two or one, or assumed, or altogether or confused, or unified,

for such knowledge is not given by Jesus Christ, is transcendental, and I am only a mortal.

I deny certainty to the merit of the Lord's Prayer, for it is also written that what we bind is bound in heaven, and because the prayer does not say how to incorporate asking in the name of Jesus Christ.

I deny certainty of the geneology of Christ, or of any merit to it.

I reject certainty of the virgin birth, or of the nature of the mother, or of any fact or claim regarding the biological origins of Jesus Christ.

I deny the baptism by water as a necessary sign of grace, for upon his resurrection, he began to baptise by spirit.

I deny that a public attestation of faith is necessary to prove faith, for grace is proved by the father alone, and through man, is not possible.

I deny certainty that the Eucharist is necessitated for a christian. For Christ is present within the elect.

But, even so that Christ is present with the Elect, and through him, as brother, all are certainly blessed, the Eucharist should be observed.

I deny certainty of any spiritual meaning to the Eurcharist or any knowledge of the substantial or supersubstantial nature of the flesh and the spirit.

I refuse the authority, the sacraments, and the mission of the church ecclesiastical and acknowledge only the church invisible. Lacking, manifestly, the righteousness and the power of the elect, the church catholic, of any sect, cannot be considered elect. For many will come doing great works in his name, but he will say, get away from me, I know you not.

I reject the infallibility of scripture, as it is imperfect, has been revised, is a often source of petty dispute, and none of the originals were written in english.

I reject and deny charity, pacifism, and hospitability to strangers, provided that they reject and deny the Christ or the Father or the Holy Counselor;

for it is wrong to throw pearls before swine or precious things to dogs, who will tear them up.

I deny certainty of knowledge concerning dwelling in common, surrendering of possessions, or of establishment of churches, for such, while given in scripture,

is reckoned regarding the wealthy, whose wealth blinds them, and concerning dwelling common, or establishing churches, Jesus Christ did not speak of this while alive.

But wherever two or more are gathered in his name, there he is with them, and there they have strength, so I support the notion of communal gathering places-

and communal accounts for the welfare of the Elect who attest together and socialize together.

I reject the symbolic representation of the cross; considering it a necessary element of the death, but not the resurrection, and that the symbol for Discipleship should respect the faith in Grace, Salvation, and the Son, and should consist of a grape vine.

For these things I disagree with are not wholly agreed and attested to by all the synoptic gospels, and the truth is apparent.

This is the whole and the sum of my views complementary to the faith which I have I title the Disciples Creed- titled thusly for in this is claimed that all the Elect are necessarily Disciples, and all that believe in Jesus Christ and do his will are necessarily Elect. And this is the gospel, that all who hear the good news, receive it, and obey the will of the Father, through faith in Jesus Christ, might receive Grace, and through it become elect, and receive Salvation, and through acting on faith, might become mighty and blessed, and bring glory to the Father. Amen.

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32673d  No.10338

>>10291

>Anyone intelligent who reads the bible would be hard pressed to believe in Jesus Christ.

Shill, definitely. Jewish? Maybe.

Homosexual? Most definitely. Do you want us to share your home IP address here, or are you going to do it yourself?

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4c7a91  No.10347

Excellent work expressing your belief. Have you read the Urantia Papers? Much of what you said and the conclusions you have come to are in there. Jesus died on the cross bc he submitted his whole human life to the "doings of the will of the Father in Heaven" Much as many of his subsequent apostles/disciples had to do as well. And having foreknowledge of events, he knew his People would face such injustice. When one of the apostles was sent to the cross, just like the Master, he considered it a "high honor". Jesus doesn't cheat at Solitare to win. He let the mortal cards fall where they may. At any moment he could have invoked divine authority and stooped ALL of it. The cross was not necessary to Atone for any past or future sin. He did, however, HAVE to die in order to send the "comforter" "counselor" "Spirit of Truth" "Holy Spirit" into the world. The "pull and urge" that leads a person to contemplate the Fathers Will. While I do disagree with some of what you said, clearly, you have been through much conflict of mind and spirit to arrive at these conclusions. And I honor you for that. A true "free thinker". Take care.

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db90ff  No.10665

Q said it would be biblical, I found this to be a great explanation! It explains how Revelation is a war manual, rather than Satan inspired doom of impending rapture

http://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/revelation-fulfillment-timeline-summary/

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