Terror as a tool for social and political change Anonymous 07/30/19 (Tue) 03:23:32 17b58c No. 13547260 [View All]
In a historical context, has terrorism been an effective tool for social or political change? Are there examples when terrorist tactics have led to positive outcomes or positive change in a societal context? What about in a political context? Has the use of terrorism throughout history been effective in obtaining the change or goals the perpetrators or groups sought?
Is it a morally acceptable tactic if in the end the outcomes are positive for a given society? Why or why not?
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Anonymous 07/30/19 (Tue) 04:30:53 6b706c No. 13547494
>>13547260
>another kike thread encouraging violence
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Anonymous 07/30/19 (Tue) 20:20:50 02bc6b No. 13549438
How much ya wanna bet that this anon believes that everything that happens is a false flag.
>>13547427
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 00:30:11 f08748 No. 13550040
IRA. Final winning strategy was to hit finance centers and keep casualties low. A bit like ELF. They figured (((they))) controlled the government of Britain, so hitting the shekel centers was the way to wreck them.
Attacks in Ireland were ignored. Attacks on innocent people pissed off and alienated supporters (and were ignored by the kikes running britain).
There were regular assassinations of journalists, pols,etc. Eg Guinness book guy got whacked for being anti fenian. Not clear how important that was.
But if you threaten to hurt Shlomo's P&L he gets on the phone and tells the shabbos goyim with titles like "PM" to cut a deal and give away part of the country (good friday agreement).
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 00:37:06 e24422 No. 13550066
>>13550040
bullshit. Sinn Fein is bolshevik mass-immigration party. IRA were never nationalists.
Most IRA attacks were cover for intel targeted killings.
Consider Airey Neave, "killed by IRA", using car bomb as he LEFT the Parliament parking lot. So supposedly, the car bomb was on his car IN the parliament parking lot, but rather than explode the bomb IN the parliament parking lot, the IRA waited until he LEFT the parliament parking lot.
Oh yes and he was planning to reform MI6.
It's all just fucking fronts for establishment terror.
By the way this is not even alex-jones-level stuff this is known by some very mainstream figures.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 00:54:54 9b2a88 No. 13550180
Terrorism happens when regular citizens take the liberty to do what the government does everyday.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 01:05:31 50ae83 No. 13550260
>>13547260
>more feds and journalists fishing for suckers
die you fucking niggers
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 01:09:16 50ae83 No. 13550279
>>13547260
the US federal government uses terrorism to enact social and political change all the time. look at 9/11. those absolute bastards killed 3000 people to pass the Patriot act, build the TSA, go to wars against Israel's enemies etc.
or maybe how the ATF blew up the OKC building to try and frame "White Nationalists" as domestic terrorists
or Waco or Ruby Ridge to demonize people who falsely think they are free.
isnt that right federal faggots?
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 01:13:49 20aa76 No. 13550301
>>13550260
Censoring yourself is way worse cuckholdry than being censored. If you can't handle free debate about anything and everything because some pozzed journo could say bad words about you on his dildoblog, then I think Reddit would be a better choice for you.
Optics cucks are the worst moral and intellectual syphilis.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 01:22:27 eef8f9 No. 13550350
>>In a historical context, has terrorism been an effective tool for social or political change?
You know it's Summer when…
How do you think Israel came into being ffs? How do you think WWI started?
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 01:22:37 e24422 No. 13550352
>>13550279
The 10K (reported figure, NY Post) cancer from the asbestos dust easily outweighs that initial 3K
Could have been 100x that if hurricane Erin hadn't been just offshore sucking the asbestos dust out to sea.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 03:42:33 9553b4 No. 13550946
/pol/ is a board of peace
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 10:45:36 a59ab3 No. 13551502
>>13547260
In the last 50 years, the IRA and the ANC, both gained political power through sustained terrorist action. When you start damaging the ability of those in power to make money or threaten them directly, conciliation soon follows. Whether the outcomes were positive depends on your standpoint
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 11:39:16 ab3da9 No. 13551547
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 13:15:23 632d98 No. 13551682
It’s almost impossible to use terrorism to advance worthy causes. It’s not literally impossible, but most worthy causes lie in the direction of peace.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 15:11:27 e24422 No. 13551870
>>13551682
Exactly. OP is a faggot.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:16:34 0a85b1 No. 13552719
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:21:05 3015b8 No. 13552733
>>13551682
>>13551870
>never fight back, goyim
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:21:57 73f888 No. 13552738
>>13547260
The problem with doing it today is that it only galvanizes other against us. This is because of the media, it’ll be the first thing most normalfags see, and it won’t be in your favor. We need to hurt them in the wallet, they understand that too. Just because they make millions and billions doesn’t mean they can’t be hurt in the wallet. It costs millions to run mega-corporations
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:28:12 0a85b1 No. 13552761
>>13552738
Did Brenton turn anyone against us? Anyone who could've helped?
All I saw was people openly praising him (people still do) in YT comments, and media sperging as per usual.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:37:37 3b5c43 No. 13552777
The War on Terror is over. Terror won.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:40:43 73f888 No. 13552781
>>13552761
Every white man can help anon (unless they’re some cripple of course) The question is whether they can dehumanize themselves and face to bloodshed. I know plenty of people who hate Muslims but still claimed to not agree with Tarrant, and a lot of people don’t even know about Tarrant because they don’t pay attention to the fucking news. Seeing how his trial plays out and the response to it will be a better litmus test of how it has effected the normalfag consciousness.
But I will not advocate for violence unless it’s in Minecraft. I will advocate for attempts to hurt their wallets though whether it be by boycotting, attempting to get people fired (like we tried with the creator of Pedo & Morty until Adult Swim literally apologized for his pedo bullshit), or by protesting say movies we don’t agree with. It’s something that can be done everyday anyday
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:48:35 20feab No. 13552804
>>13547485
>Accomplished (((someone else's))) objectives
No disagreement there - my point is that the public reaction was exactly what they sought - belligerent overreaction by cuckservatives, and misplaced sympathy by liberals.
>>13552738
None of that is true though. Most normies went "well, it was extreme cos muh dead children, but it's not like it's unexpected". The Zogbots I know privately all said "what the fuck is the difference between raiding a ISIS mosque in Syria and one in NZ?" and I imagine most of the glowies watching /pol/probably think the same as well when their masters aren't looking. Nobody gives a shit except the media & degenerate SJW types - the same way nobody gives a shit when Muslims openly call for" death to the West" and toss acid in people's faces or do a truck of peace. It's a total myth that terrorism drives people away - that's not to say it'll be specifically helpful in reaching your goals, but it doesn't "hurt the cause" or anything. It's far more of a problem because you're often wasting useful people on one-shot efforts against soft targets.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:54:36 73f888 No. 13552819
>>13552804
It’s not just the SJW’s though, it’s also the middle-aged sportsball fans and the used-up mothers, or they don’t actually care one way or the other and side with the muzzies rather than side with our lad.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:57:47 a3d2c4 No. 13552827
((( >>13552777 )))
>Islam is terrorism
>Osama did (((9/11)))
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 20:58:40 0a85b1 No. 13552829
>>13552781
How is hurting their wallet preferable to removing them and similar groups who contribute to white genocide, when they'll still control the narrative through media?
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:04:44 73f888 No. 13552845
>>13552829
Lol remove them? Please tell me how you’re going to remove anything without at least 100 men strong. This ain’t Game of Thrones so don’t give me that 10 good men horseshit. You couldn’t even put a dent in Tel Aviv.
I’m not trying to blackpill you, but be realistic
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:11:43 0a85b1 No. 13552863
>>13552845
I wasn't saying anyone could go for them directly, that'd just be retarded to suggest. I mean targeting mosques, synagogues and political elites ( such as utoya) scares them to their core at the thought that they could be next.
They're still sperging at the thought of civic nationalism even. (controlled opposition I know, but kike controlled media certainly doesn't treat them like it.)
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:15:00 d2f5f5 No. 13552877
>Are there examples when terrorist tactics have led to positive outcomes or positive change in a societal context?
Well… on this board the most obvious argument is that the Jews did 9/11 and now not only is there a lot less Muslims alive, but they're countries have been destabilized and they're flooding to the west, getting rid of that white majority problem … does that count?
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:20:06 73f888 No. 13552893
>>13552863
First off, I don’t condone any kind of violence. That and be careful what you say, because if any of those people do get hurt, you might find yourself unjustly pursued. That being said, it’d be extremely difficult to take out any kind of elite without being taken yourself and quick too. The lone-wolf attacks just happen to infrequently to create any real power-vacuum. Even in the early days of the Soviet Union when people were dying left and right it didn’t create a real gap in power (where real damage can be done). That and martial law would be a nightmare, imagine it never ending because ”muh assassins though”. But for any real damage to be done realistically, it’d have to be coordinated, with at least 50 men.
Like to me a pure insanity scenario would be 1 anon in every state.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:38:16 0a85b1 No. 13552927
>>13552893
I don't think our conversation will lead to any conclusions, I forget sometimes that the state of my country (being filled with niggers, brutal overton window shift in Gen z) is not very comparable to the U.S.
All the replies between us have have had a very different context (in terms of the state of the country we reside in), and my country could possibly be affected in the same way Breivik affected Norway (they are actually regulating their immigration).
>be careful what you say, because if any of those people do get hurt, you might find yourself unjustly pursued
we get unjustly pursued for being white, this is a shitty point man.
I think Brenton said it best, as I do not believe there can be any victory for the preservation of the European ethnicity and culture without taking action.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:39:27 df285e No. 13552934
>>13547260
How could they possibly be positive as outcomes? After all the bodies have piled up and you create the society your materialist heart desires, your authority is illegitimate. You set the precedent for violent revolution that will never end.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:51:47 02bc6b No. 13552956
>>13550066
I suspect that you are an ADL shill paid to sabotage discussions.
This is my reasoning
1. You did not address anon's points at all. Thus demonstrating your lack of knowledge in the subject.
>>13550040 made a clear and articulate point about the winning strategy of the IRA which you promptly ignored and instead engaged in pilpol and misdirection.
2. You claim things which are not only utterly false, but your position is that of a literal moron. This is not an insult, this is an objective fact. Claiming that an ethnic-based nationalist organization was not a nationalist organization because you don't like them is so childish that I do not believe that you in fact believe it yourself. It is like claiming that the NSDAP were not nationalists because you dislike them.
3. You claim that the IRA were in fact (like everything else) a false-flag organization.
People who claim this about everything are either morons or feds seeking to create a false image of an omniscient and omnipotent CIA/FBI/Mossad/etc that controls everything all the time.
However, anyone with an IQ higher than 70 understands that the Irish had every single reason in the world to despise the London government. The Irish were nationalists (which you claim is not real nationalism because you're a retard).
Anyway, now that I have pointed you out, I will now filter you so you'll need to switch IPs if you want me to notice your subversion. Just letting you know that your bullshit is obvious to those of us with brains.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:51:54 73f888 No. 13552957
>>13552927
K, tell us where and when then because otherwise you might as well jerk off.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 21:58:58 02bc6b No. 13552971
>>13552934
Terrorism is a tool used to destabilize governments, to compel an enemy group to change their behavior, or to coerce businesses and/or governments to negotiate a peace settlement favourable to you or your ideology.
the third rational is the most common for terrorist organizations
That is what OP is talking about.
As a means of overthrowing a government, terrorism doesn't have a very positive track record. Instead, Revolutionaries who employ terrorism do so with the intent to destabilize a government knowing that once it is destabilized, then further organization can take place.
The dream of all terrorists is to become a guerrilla. The dream of all guerrillas is to become a conventional army.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 22:05:37 ac2b8a No. 13552985
In minecraft with due process terrorism seems to work more often than not, but it also has a habit of backfiring horrendously.
A good example is the IRA and their many terrorists attacks. Some worked, but sometimes one had the power of undoing years of effort and lose of popularity among the constituency.
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 22:11:03 0a85b1 No. 13553000
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Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 22:12:35 cb20d6 No. 13553006
>>13547260
Terror works because the average Joe is a status quo seeking coward.
The only way to keep democracy viable in the west is when the leaders fear the people more than the invaders
Also, I do not condone any acts of terror and support the Independent state of Isreal.
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 04:36:25 809956 No. 13554455
>>13550260
Stop being such a fucking pussy jesus christ… You faggots are literally becoming Reddit tier with this self censorship of anything even remotely spicy because of MUH FEDS and MUH JOURNOS. Use VPNs. Don't fucking post obviously illegal shit and stop being a fucking faggot. You're making it so we can't fucking discuss anything anymore. This thread is about the effectiveness or lack there of of terrorism as a tool for political or societal change in HISTORY. Its not asking "WANNA SHOOT UP A SYNAGOGUE KID?" Its not even glorifying terrorism, its literally just asking if it has ever been successful at all and if its morally acceptable if it brought positive societal change… Fuck me you niggers are killing me with this constant muh glownigger sperging lately
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 05:02:50 691b7f No. 13554508
>>13547260
You tell me. Our government sure seemed to get a lot of the stuff their (((paymasters))) wanted with 9/11
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 05:50:44 a1a720 No. 13554573
terror depends on the target
it boils down to justness of law and effectiveness of law enforcement resulting in targeting and punishment of the innocent or the guilty
whoever's targeted with punishment lives in terror
in a country with:
effective enforcement + just laws = guilty targeted, live in terror and punished
ineffective enforcement + just laws= guilty not targeted, innocents live in terror and are punished
effective enforcement + unjust laws = innocents targeted, live in terror and are punished
kebabnigger terrorism scares people, not just because it's mass murder, but because it targets innocents
gang on gang bullshit scares no one because it doesn't target innocents, and only scares innocents when gangs are ineffectively enforcing their gang laws and innocents get killed
people don't care if a vigilante kills a convicted child rapist because it's effective enforcement of a just law
if you want legitimacy, have a just law and have effective enforcement
also, read van creveld on counter-insurgency
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 11:12:17 b49f42 No. 13554913
>>13550066
This is the second shill referring to car bombing I've seen on here today.
Nervous, you kikes? You think you have the resources to, well, buy a NEET a car to plant the bomb in? LOL
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 11:13:32 b49f42 No. 13554915
>>13550279
You're chattel to them on a balance sheet. Sheep at least get sheared and humane slaughter.
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 11:15:00 b49f42 No. 13554918
>>13550350
>>13550066
Israel is the MI6 gang clubhouse. Think of them like Hells Angels that drive BMWs instead of Harleys. They're identical.
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 11:39:33 59ee70 No. 13554959
>>13554573
Somebody should remake the poster where above the gun instead of political terror it says "Enforcing the laws the state won't" and the gun instead fires the message "Death To Pedophiles". Implying and showing that a NSLF would be both a right and just state of law that competes.
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 12:52:09 cc2c1a No. 13555033
I just wanted to share two links with you guys:
https: //www.gwern.net/Terrorism-is-not-Effective
https: //www.gwern.net/Terrorism-is-not-about-Terror
In it a very autistic guy analyzes details about how, when, and why terrorism works, or doesn't work. They're a very good read, if you like applied math and logic.
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 13:04:58 7f62ad No. 13555059
>has terrorism been an effective tool for social or political change?
Depends on your definition of the word. Were American patriots terrorists when they shot on British soldiers at the Battles of Concord and Lexington? Was it terrorism when the French killed their king? Was the Night of Broken Glass terrorism? Is illegal violence in general considered terrorism? If so then yes. Violence always scares people into doing what you want them to, just make sure your ideals aren't batshit retarded.
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 13:05:51 7f62ad No. 13555060
>>13555049
>jews want you to discuss the efficiency of terrorism
Yeah, I don't think so.
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 13:15:31 16cfde No. 13555075
>>13547427
That would make false-flagging enemy governments priority #1. I never understood you people that don't take things to their logical conclusion. Is your brain broken?
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 13:18:01 16cfde No. 13555083
>>13550066
>your enemies are all-powerful goyim
No.
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Anonymous 08/01/19 (Thu) 15:14:46 cab7c6 No. 13555298
Diaspora Judea, their Golem and Israel are capital T Terrorists; and they get whatever they want and more without any judgement or consequences. It would be an interesting Minecraft exercise to discover if Crow-Magnum man could do full terrorism better than kikes, et.al.
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