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>>392552

Civil war in the US? No way, this must be fake. That happens in Europe, not here.

I'm glad this is back online!

bumping this

Actually this makes a lot of sense.

Just imagine Trump wins the election, which I think that will happen. He rules for four years.

Then what? Does he go away? No, that's not his plan, he wants to keep ruling. He said it, not me:

"You don't have to vote again"

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/30/us/politics/trump-christians-vote-ingraham.html

So, how can he stay in power without sparkling a huge conflict in US soil? Will the military, the population accept Trump as a perennial president, against the current constitution? Even if he changes the constitution during his presidency, will people accept that? If it where so easy, why nobody changed it before, to stay longer in power?

Most of us will accept a forever Trump, but many people won't, and they might fight. This might become nasty, there will be blood.

This treaty is superclever. Small step at a time, it ensures that when Trump decides to stay for a third mandate, NOBODY will be hurt. There are some concessions, but it's truly 4D chess what he is playing here. It's like the frog and the boiling water: if you put a frog in boiling water, it will jump away immediately. But if you put the frog in cool water, and heat the water very slowly, until it boils, the frog will die before it realizes it's boiling!!! So that's the trick, by the time there is a rebellion and a civil war, there won't be tools for the rebels to fight and kill, and the people will be saved.

I'm in awe.

anti-slide ;>349kf

WTF IS THIS???? For fuck's sake, this is BONKERS

>>392835

Yes, because it is FAKE. Completely FAKE.

No one believes these obviously fake "documents" that are hashed together with various font text and white out. Upon further reading it is obviously a fake, you have to be a complete utter moron if you think ANY US President is going to hand over US States to the Russian military to "own the libtards" that's just fucking stupid. IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. There are so many laws that would break, and so many established judicial and federal institutions that would immediately stop any form of treason like that!

However, what would happen under another Trump term is the threat of global stability, peace and free market capitalism once again. The biggest thread would be lower taxes and lower gas prices. The biggest threat would be the shitty communistic "green new deal" bullshit gets scrapped! The biggest threat would be Americans being left alone by an insane government and the government being forced to be a little more transparent and back off on some of their utter non-sense policy!!! A little less bureaucracy and a little less war is the biggest "threat" we would face. AND I WELCOME IT!

>>392836

First, it's brilliant. It prevents civil war in the US. Let's imagine Trump wins the election, as I think he will. Can Trump stay a third term? No. Will he? Yes. And there will be fights. With this plan, everything will be smooth, and as he said, "You won't have to vote again".

Second, it's not "handing over US States to the Russian military". It's a deal, a Trump deal, a good one. Trump can focus on domestic issues and make America great again. Who cares about the Ukraine? Who cares about Gaza and Israel? Who cares about Taiwan? Those are all headaches. Also, by leaving NATO we leave behind a bunch of problems. We won't have to babysit Europe anymore. We still project power abroad in our joint alliance US-Russia, we just don't care anymore.

Third, such a close relationship with Russia is going to fill the US with a lot of raw materials at extremely low costs. Prices will decrease, and the economy will bloom. There won't be a "new green deal", can you imagine Russia doing that? No way!

On the whole, this deal will make America great again. It's full MAGA.

>>392552

I started reading this and regret it.

I wasted my time.

The first page was interesting, but the second page started getting retarded, then I skipped to the last page and it was even more retarded

who the fuck wrote this bullshit?

Its like they started okay, got drunk, and then continued typing this up lmao

>>392855

>Its like they started okay, got drunk, and then continued typing this up lmao

That's actually quite Russian!! LOL

President Trump's Interview with Elon Musk on Twitter X

https://www.bitchute.com/video/QzWjFzRMQNA

https://www.bitchute.com/video/uVv5eZSiQm6C

https://rumble.com/v5aqj1m-president-trump-elon-musk-interview-12aug24.html

https://rumble.com/v5ar5b9-full-interview-president-donald-j.-trump-speaks-with-elon-musk-in-spaces-on.html

>>392845

The document is a fake, however trade with Russia and the US could be possible in the future if we helped negotiate a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. I honestly don't see that happening, even under Trump. Neo-cons will pressure him to continue the failed Ukraine proxy war with Russia and they will continue fighting until Russia or Ukraine is defeated (do you really have to guess who by now!?). BUT…. Trump will never call for a draft, he'll never escalate it into becoming a global war (unlike Biden/Kamalas would like to do and would have if there wasn't an election ahead of them!), and Trump would tell Europe they need to start paying for NATO no longer just US taxpayers. Things would de-escalate and Trump would start securing our southern border, open up America's oil pipelines that treasonous Biden shut down, de-regulate the "green" bullshit over the last 16 years and boost our economy. Trump would make sure Americans were safe, have freedom, have a good economy and that oversea wars or globalist scumbags do not interfere with any of our lives or at our expense. That's what I would call a pretty damn good president for America!!!!

Don't believe me, listen to him: >>392892

>>392894

I don't know.

Everything is so confusing.

Trump says he feels bad about Ukraine, but he thinks Putin is a great example.

And his VP Vance doesn't want to have anything to do with Ukraine.

For what he says, he could very well have made this deal. Nothing that he says contradicts it. Or maybe he didn't and it's fake.

I don't know, there is so much crap around, I don't want to believe anything right now.

>>393011

I feel bad for Ukraine because there was a whole lot of Ukrainians that never wanted a war with Russia and who wanted their government to remain neutral. Turns out Russia wasn't bluffing when they warned Ukraine and the West they were in violation of the Minsk agreements. Even months after Russia invaded there were still talks between Ukraine and Russia to arrange a negotiation and ceasefire and it came very close to happening within three months time. You know who sabotaged that peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine and told Zelensky to keep fighting and never back down? You know who buffaloed Zelensky saying the West will never allow Ukraine to lose? The neo-cons in Washington DC and Boris Johnson of the UK. Zelensky tore up the agreement and told Russia no deal. Since then over half a million Ukrainian soldiers have died and so have hundreds of thousands of Russians. So have dozens of mercenaries from the US, the UK, Germany, France foreign legion, Italy, Israel, et al. What the neo-cons did not think about is the fact that, just maybe, the average European and American wants no part in these endless war games of theirs. Maybe if they care so much about these wars then they should be putting themselves on the front lines. But no, neo-cons are cowards who think everyone else should do their dirty work for them, just like in Vietnam. Well pay attention because that ain't gonna fly this time around. It's the neo-cons who gave Ukraine false hopes to continue this war. So it will be the neo-cons who, when all is said and done, should be the ones apologizing to Ukraine for lying to them, and lying to Zelensky. If I were Zelensky I would be very nervous right now. It's no longer Russia he has to fear anymore. There are upset angry Ukrainians at home who want his head, and there is the CIA (and others) that may consider Zelensky to be a serious asset risk if he were to ever flip on the US or Europe, break his silence and make a plea deal with Russia. Dangerous territory, I wouldn't want that job no matter how much cash I was getting paid.

>>393033

Well anon, that was what the Minsk agreement signed between Ukraine and Russia was all about, for the longest time Ukraine was neutral, they would not choose bad relations with Russia or join NATO bringing missiles right on the border of Russia. That's exactly what Russia warned them against, that was their red line. The West actually thought Russia was bluffing, that Russia wouldn't do jack shit about it. They were taken by surprise unfortunately. So it turns out this is really a very big deal to Russia. Russia would not have invaded if they thought this wasn't a systemic national security risk to them.

On another note. We had plans to invade Cuba over this during the Cuban missile crisis with the Soviet Union btw, but that did not end up happening because we got the Soviets to de-escalate through diplomacy. We cut deals, we made agreements with one another, what was our red lines. And guess what? They backed off, not because of war but because of strong smart US leadership and diplomatic relations. We don't have that today clearly.

>>393035

So you agree that Ukrainians should not have any agency, and they should do what Russia says, correct?

>>393056

I think if you have signed a fair international treaty for stability and peace, you should abide by that treaty. Ukraine not doing so resulted in what you are now witnessing, war death and destruction. This could have been prevented, and I partly blame our own government who pressured Ukraine into doing what they did and giving them false hope expecting that someday we would be the ones bailing them out. Bad leadership, bad consequences.

>>393057

"Fair international treaty" as in:

- We violate the Budapest memorandum we signed invading you.

- We take a large percentage of your land.

- And now you hut up and take it, otherwise we will take more.

This is "fair", right?

>>393099

If Ukraine joined NATO and put missiles on the border to Russia that also would have violated the Budapest agreements. Trump knew this, he told Ukraine it wasn't a good idea and re-assured Putin the US would have nothing to do with Ukraine joining NATO so Russia should not be concerned. And under the Trump presidency it worked, there was no war between Ukraine and Russia.

…Then the DNC rigged the election of 2020 by dumping millions of mail-in ballots for Biden at 3AM in the morning, rigging the election for Biden. Biden came in. Removed everything Trump had done to maintain peace and global stability and since then Biden has started many different wars and conflicts abroad like Ukraine and in the Middle East. Biden & Kamala are fucking corrupt incompetent imbeciles that are endangering our allies, and stoking wars Americans want no part of. None of this was happening under Trump's presidency. Not even the horrors we see in Gaza, or what Hamas did to Israel in October. None of it.

So, you have two options: vote for Trump and end the wars and bring back stability ….or vote for Kamalas and watch the very world you once knew, including your own country, become very destabilized and chaotic, leading to further balkanization and economic/societal crisis.

As for the violations of Budapest & Minsk. Neo-cons & their MIC war profits is the only reason I can conclude, they love profiteering off human misery and endless war. Trump is right, these people are a threat to us and our allies.

>>393104

The war in Ukraine started in 2014, and it didn't stop for a second. There was always fighting in the frontlines of the DNR and LNR.

So yes, there was war during the Trump administration. And that's a fact. Trump didn't do anything to fix that mess.

Chop chop impotent sheep slaves continue bitching about issues here because you're too powerless to do anything about it

>>392552

>trump said

dont care migapedo