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>>360353

>OP's pic

The days where America wasn't totally financially insolvent and the dollar wasn't devalued by 99.8%. Sure, less options on a menu but the food was better quality back then and affordable for anyone willing to work.

>>360358

>implying fiat money is bad

retard who never read a work of non-libertarian biased economics written by people who don't even have degrees in economics

>>360353

You shouldn't gas people OP. That's not a good thing to do.

Next time maybe blow up a bank or something.

>>360394

It's not the fiat per se, of course, as credit will always exist, and electronic transactions are pretty well essential for modern efficiency. It's the pivate jewish federal reserve system lending infinite debt instruments at mathematically impossible interest and pocketing the profits.

>>362149

>It's the private jewish federal reserve system lending infinite debt instruments at mathematically impossible interest and pocketing the profits

I'd have to agree. Fiat currency could become manageable and stable long-term only if not abused by corrupted central bankers and governments. However, the problem is fiat currency always inevitably gets abused this way, always, always, ALWAYS. We see it happening again today. History repeats itself. As long as we trust central banks and governments to manage fiat currency, we are economically committing suicide as a nation. That's why our Founding Founders set up a gold & silver standard and were dead against British central banking schemes.

There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.

John Adams

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.

John Adams

I am a revolutionary, so my son can be a farmer, so his son can be a poet.

John Adams

Our whole system of banks is a violation of every honest principle of banks. There is no honest bank but a bank of deposit. A bank that issues paper at interest is a pickpocket or a robber. But the delusion will have its course. … An aristocracy is growing out of them that will be as fatal as the feudal barons if unchecked in time.

John Adams

>>362164

Yup. It's not my area of research, but one of the earliest well-documented examples of fiat condemning an empire was under Kublai Kahn (grandson of Ghengis) when he let it get away from him in tragic pursuit of expanding the empire he'd put back together beyond its means. Were gold and silver to remain the actual money, and were fractional reserve banking to be reasonably limited (maybe 10:1 would keep things from going totally off the rails - derivatives were up in the quadrillions of dollars last I saw a reasonable analysis, and that was years ago), then at least when the bust cycles hit it wouldn't be so catastrophic. And the rest of the time the economy as a whole could continue to be competative with a certain degree of credit and of liquidity.

>>362165

How downright criminal that the wisdom of the founding fathers is not more prominent in primary and secondary schooling? You could very easily just work it in to any curriculum by taking one famous quote a week, starting the week off with a segment about it, and maybe asking for a brief summary or cruitique of it at the end of the week. No big grading thing, just something simple like an F for no-show, check for got it done, check plus for an exemplary critique.

My 8th grade english teacher used to do simple weekly things like that we had to hand write in a notebook dedicated to just those so that it was easy to go page by page and count up the checks and check pluses for a semester-long score. He also used check minus for at least turning something in underperforming but at least on topic. I don't recall if it actually counted toward the final grade - might have just been high scoring kids got some kind of silly in-class rewards like first pick in a group project or a budget of assignments to skip or something like that. The important part was the practice of keeping up with doing the weekly little thing and keeping a journal of it.

Or of course it really ought to be developed into an entire class, at least in higher grades, but a consistent system of dripping small but important things can go a long way. You never know what a child is going to remember.

>>362499

>downright criminal

Understatement of the millennium. The Lobby controls all including curriculum. The Lobby also controls congress and the courts and so thus by extension, it determines what is criminal and what is not. We have a judge who has ordered the Bureau of Prisons to start looking for doctors to chop penis in penitentiaries. What could go wrong!?!??? Nothing "cruel or unusual" about chopping a guy's weiner off right?

We are so far removed from what the Founders intended and that by itself is criminal. I have been studying for 20 years and my conclusions are bleak at best and horrific at worst.

The Reformation built this system of government on Revolution and outright defiance of the Romish church, whose history in Europe clearly identifies it as the the throne of and mother of Tyranny.

Some people still remember this. Maybe that's why they're coming after the guns. Because if the Tree of Liberty gets watered, it will be with the blood of the tyrants and their miscreant minions in our midst.

>>362677

The current criminal State we live under relies on fraud, lies, endless war and debt insolvency. The world is waking up to the vulnerability and weakness as well the deceit Western society has propped itself up for the longest time, since 1971 to be exact: the abrupt end of the Bretton Woods system. Why do you think countries like Russia, China, Iran, India, Turkey, Saudi Arabia (et al.) are rapidly liquidating US Treasury reserves and buying up tons of oil and gold and increasing their reserves of other physical commodities of value? They know the writing is on the wall and the Western world is bankrupted, not being able to produce shit for real trade anymore. If NATO ever gets into war with Russia (or God forbid China too) it's over for America and Europe if they lose that war. The second they halt all trade with the West and impose new global gold & oil backed alternative reserve currencies the US Dollar will implode, and so will the criminal cartel running our governments as the fiat they relied on for so long becomes worthless. At that point you better have assets to barter with fellow citizens at the local level: silver coins, ammo, booze, food, etc. If you have chickens you can barter with the eggs. If you know how to fish or hunt, you can barter some meat. Not everyone will have the same things of value or necessary supplies so local bartering will become the norm again.

Anti-feces bump 14.11

>>362680

>local bartering

Speaking of which, I came across these three 10g weird little noname bars of silver the other month. That's not what I would want to stack, but there's a very fair operation just down the road that I think is probably going to still give me about spot given market sentiment. And I intend to barter the results for some fine drink, which is sometimes what a guy could use more than 100g bits of oddball shiny.

>>362981

Europe would not be able to win a war against Russia or China. Their militaries are already strained on resources and munitions and the Russian-Ukraine war debacle has proved it, not to mention Europe does not have the economic/industrial capacity to engage in long-term warfare. The US might if we do a nuclear first strike - successfully - but the consequences would still be severe for all nations, both our enemies and our allies, including ourselves. You are absolutely delusional if you think any nation would come out strong from a nuclear world war, it would bring the world back to the 1800s and take generations of hard work and labor to re-build functioning societies once again.

The advantage both the US and Russia have: lots of land and amazing diverse geographic terrain, military might + armed citizenry, lots of natural resources to utilize and a decent rural population that could survive nuclear disasters too.

The disadvantages nearly all nations have: most the population relies on digital electronics and power grid to live (EMP nukes would knock all this infrastructure out), widespread political division, the potential for civil unrest combined with mass migration which would rapidly destabilize nations and the aftermath monetary issue: the lack of ability to pay law enforcement services which would most likely abandon efforts and flee to protect their own families.

>>363020

>law enforcement

"Have you heard about the boom on Mizar Five

People have to shout to stay alive

They don't even have policeman one

Doesn't matter where you've been or what you've done"

The covid-19 global lockdown revealed a new global command and control mechanism. Your analysis relies on the antiquated notion that governments are still operating in their own and ostensibly their people's best interest. Things we were taught in school as a children and had to believe in order to pass the class. Science is their new God and government. The nations are remnants of the futility of the past. So the message to leaders is catch the new train or get lost in the dustbin of history. If (IF) the big war happens it's goal will be maximum liquidation of civilian populations. Hitting military assets will be seen as error and collateral damage. It will be more like a dance than a war. The new global machine has extensive continuity of government provisions in place. The new global command and control mechanism will remain intact. The wasteflesh cancer will be killed off and their unified scientific autocracy will emerge from bunkers and safe zones like a revived Roman empire to rule all flesh with it's rod of scientific iron.

They're not playing Stratego anymore. They are playing for the whole ball of wax. Anyone or anything financing military build up is operating according to the new logic and the new global command and control mechanisms will prevail with or without the big war. Make sure to get the new booster shot ;)

>>363032

If worse comes to worse, have an extra bullet saved for yourself. They can't enslave what is already dead and by then they will rule over a failed radio-active planet. Might as well take on Mars.

>>363053

That's been part of the going transhumanist plan for decades, as with the post above yours. Rather than waste resources hunting down peoplw who don't care to go along with the new normal, just let them die off on their own due to being unable to compete, kill themselves, die from whatever intentional or unintentional side effects of the new technocracy might be (famine, disease, war, grey goo, whatever other hostile planetary conditions arise, etc.)

What to do? Good question. But an emergency bullet isn't the worst final terminus on the failure tree. I didn't have terribly good luck making inroads with transhumanists when I worked with them, as compared to average people who maybe feel like people will call them crazy if they say what they really think, but, either way, good discussions with either are better than not talking at all.

>>363085

*my jaw drops*

This is one fine post. Just when I'm ready to take 500mgs of

Fuckitol and never look at the damn internet ever again, I find this post and realize: I just can't do that.

Today you won the internet. One fine post anon.

(Just gonna leave this here for posterity)

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/02/08/biden-was-right-children-arent-baggage-he-should-tell-that-to-advocates-of-commercial-surrogacy

>The key phrase? “Our most beautiful hand luggage.” It’s hard to overstate just how dehumanizing that language is. It treats a child, with inherent worth and dignity, as a commodity to buy and sell.

>But that isn’t surprising. Surrogacy, especially international surrogacy, can cost upwards of $200,000.

Where'd all these bottles come from?

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>>363140

I wouldn't necessarily do that. The internet is a tool, and one that DARPA (or ARPA as it was called at the time) unleashed into the wild for a variety of reasons. Obviously it's a tool for cultural subjugation overseas (cf. color revolutions) but it's also the HAM radio of its day an allows people from all over the place to communicate with some degree of relative freedom, so it would be unwise not to use it just as much as anybody else would.

If you're in to books, the one that turned my mind around the corner about transhumanism, was "The Age of Spirital Machines" by Ray Kurzweil, because my boss at the time had it on a small shelf in his office among other books on much more job oriented topics. I wondered why it was there, since obviously he didn't have room for many books, and the local public library had a copy for me to read. I don't want to say it's all the way to half way through, but it's going to take a while wondering why it's written so poorly by such an obvious intellect until you get to the part where he explains that he dictated the book using his own speech to text software. The written word and the spoken word are two different artforms. Keep that in mind as you go on to wonder what underlies his, uh, perverted thinking.

>>363085

Technocracy is idiocracy without humans. You can't program AI without human input, or decipher it without human intellect. You cannot maintain machines or power them indefinitely without physical human labor. There still needs to be an industry and there still needs to be conductivity involved in the process, and that requires human beings and hard labor. It requires skill and natural resources too. The notion that pampered spoiled rich yuppies will kill off society but rule by robotic means is in and of itself idiocracy - doomed to fail. The third world they desire they themselves will be plunged right into.

>>363085

>just let them die off on their own due to being unable to compete

That was already done when the USSR collapsed. It's called Balkanization and it works just fine. Humans move on, localize, barter, re-build and socialize without the system or central governance. It actually works just fine and typically LESS PEOPLE DIE from it lol.