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Is this a collage of xkcd comics?

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The conflation of "free speech" and "1st amendment" is disingenuous. The 1st amendment and free speech are not synonyms.

Free speech is a philosphical concept that information and ideas should spread freely, so that they can be judged by each individual and not by a few gatekeepers.

The 1st amendment is a constitutional provision that prevents the government from passing any law that restricts free speech (beyond a bare minimum). Of course, nowadays when most communications go through platforms controlled by only a handful of corporations, politicians have realized they can circumvent the 1st amendment by pressuring corporations to deplatform critics.

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The equation of "rights" and "rights from the government" is incorrect. A right can be universal and not just in relation to a government entity. The right to free speech is not just the right to not be arrested by a government.

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"Free speech is not freedom from consequence" is also disingenuous. That's like saying people have the freedom to steal, even though they'll be punished for it. Or like saying there is freedom of speech in a dictatorship. People can say "down with the dictator", they'll just have to face the consequences for it.

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Name-dropping historical intellectuals is just an appeal to authority and doesn't actually further the argument.

tl;dr cut everything except last two panes, because the rest is just disingenious and incorrect and a wall-of-text that will dissuade people from reading it.

>>195168 (OP)

>sexism bad

>racism bad

>mccarthyism bad

>homophobia bad

>trail of tears bad

Just fucking die.

Communications intermediaries are natural monopolies because of the network effect and so should be regulated as a public utilitiy, just as water and electricity is.

>>195956

It doesn't really matter for the argument for free speech whether you think these particular things are bad or not. Just substitute them with something else that you think is bad. The idea of free speech is that it would be up to each individual to know and judge, not a few gatekeepers.

>>195168 (OP)

You are a moron if you believe i would fight to the death for free speech.

>>195964

Truth is more important than freedom. Only truth is being banned. We have no interest in allowing lies to be spammed infinitely like they are now. Only truth can be allowed. All else must be actively combatted, otherwise truth loses.

Now scream about horseshoe theory because you don’t understand what I said.

>>195968

I have a big pair of tits in around my ears, must be why.

>>195968

> Now scream about horseshoe theory because you don’t understand what I said.

I don't subscribe to horseshoe theory, or any aspect of one-dimensional ideological classification for that matter.

> Only truth can be allowed.

Okay, then you are against free speech and in favor of a gatekeeper system. While I can respect that opinion, I wonder how would you ensure that the gatekeeper can be trusted to respect the truth? If the gatekeepers go rogue, how would anyone know and how would it be remedied?

>>195978

Anon, we agree. I’m not talking to you.

>>195990

>or any aspect of one-dimensional ideological classification

Fuck yeah, good man.

>Okay, then you are against free speech

Literally just said that, yes.

>and in favor of a gatekeeper system

Truth is the gatekeeper.

>how would you ensure that the gatekeeper can be trusted to respect the truth

Becausetruth itselfwould be the gatekeeper. All you have to do is require people to prove their claims AS they make them. Because every single fucking nation in human history that DID NOT collapse did this and worked perfectly fine ONLY UNTIL it started letting any arbitrary bullshit into its borders. The “website” (or whatever) would have to be run the same way, otherwise it would end up like this one has. Completely dead, nothing but paid shills and spam posts of lying and hoaxes, and no actual discussion. Or, you know, like Europe, the US, Rhodesia (devoid of whites), South Africa (ditto), and the rest of the formerly white world today.

>>195168 (OP)

Sexism against women is good. They are inferior to men.

Racism against non-whites is good. The White race is superior to all.

Faggot abominations must be killed on sight. They are a cancer that must be completely eliminated from the world.

>>196056

The Truth is that crime and dishonest sophistry work. That doesn't sound like a god worth worshipping to me. That sounds like the formula for transforming into a kike. The real God, Logos, is a subset of the things that are true but His glory doesn't rest upon His trueness. It's simply a trait of His. Both good and bad things can be True, just like good and bad people can be powerful. Truth isn't a good enough filter to keep out evil. It permits too much, which is in itself a serious sin.