c7395a No.148534[Last 50 Posts]
So the other day I decided to make an edit on Wikipedia's page "scientific racism."
All I did was present some truth that it is a rather mainstream scientific belief that the averages of some human populations are higher than others.
I linked many studies and examples of scientists that believed in such.
I gave evidence of Noble Prize Winners endorsing "scientific racism"
James Watson: https://www.wired.com/2007/10/is-james-watson/
William Shockley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAszZr3SkEs
I then used the 52 professors that signed the "Mainstream Science on Intelligence": http://www.intelligence.martinsewell.com/Gottfredson1997.pdf
I then balanced it slightly, by claiming that the American Psychological association gave a follow up article saying that the reason for black white IQ differences was unknown and still up for debate. :https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232430439_Intelligence_Knowns_and_Unknowns
I then just listed some fairly modern studies:
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/comments/S0960-9822(15)00671-5
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016028960200137X
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289619301904
Then I used a recent 2019-2020 study that claims most intelligence scientists today, the overwhelming majority, believe that the black-white IQ gap is at least partially genetic and that the media is extremely inaccurate about intelligence testing. Despite most of the scientists being fairly progressive.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289619301886
I then indicated, that their "evidence" that "scientific racism" was considered "pseudoscience" which was the famous book the "Measure's of Man" (first edition) was considered a "strawman" and ultimately resulted in being completely fabricated as Morton measured the skulls correctly. : (https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science/14skull.html
http://www.debunker.com/texts/jensen.html
Despite this, my request was instantly revoked. They then sent me a link where I could see the "discussion" and I saw that many people had actually already posted the same studies. The admins then said "just because a few random scientists believe it doesn't mean it isn't fringe" for someone to then leave a very detailed response with several surveys that concluded it was not fringe, to be met with "take your racist horseshit elsewhere" as an official response. When I indicated that this was no a counter argument I was banned from editing permanently.
How does this science come out to the public? Its fairly obvious and concrete? How do we make this mainstream? Also, is there somewhere where people share the sources on this, many of my sources I have had saved in the past have been deleted.
I am personally not into nazism and crazy ideology. But I just understand the truth here, I don't mind multi-ethnic societies.
Maybe people should mass flood Wikipedia with hard evidence to change this, they cannot stop us all if we begin to outnumber them. What we post is normal science from credible sources.
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54d567 No.148538
Did you only now realize that (((wikipedia))) is a leftard clique?
Welcome to /pol/, your links are exactly had we've been missing since 2016.
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c7395a No.148546
Thanks for the welcome. I am still kinda getting knew to open messaging boards. They are kinda old.
I am glad that I could assist, but I honestly think that the community should built a website archiving all information on this subject. Studies, responses to articles and attacks by the media, source notes of all books on this conversation. A timeline of it?
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8ccaa0 No.148547
>>148534
Its worse than you think. All philosophers of Enlightenment are huge racists to them, so you better prepare for new religion.
Communists used to shoot people who believe in genetics.
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c9eab6 No.148559
wikipedia or whatever other thing that's popular will be filled to the brim with militia that think their fairy tales are scientific, they're a pita to interact with, they get upset about these things as if they were to be black themselves
maybe part of the reason it's not mainstream :
- recent polls show majority of whites don't care about their own race and do not believe in gaps in intelligence
- vast majority of journalists are left-wing
- jewish propaganda
- beneficial for commercial purposes
there are good evopsy people online, even on twitter
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54d567 No.148561
>>148546
>the community should built a website archiving all information on this subject. Studies, responses to articles and attacks by the media, source notes of all books on this conversation. A timeline of it?
Fully agreed. I'm afraid that we had been taking the internet for granted for over a decade and neglected archiving and organizing everything that got us redpilled in the first place I was jew-wise since I was a kid but what you are describing was too my first red pill, most notably Lynn et al 2020, and specifically the online reactions to it and blatantly goal-oriented attempts for debunking it. I have to admit that I did not start saving threads (and links) since late 2014 when I started seeing the slope to cancer after the second exodus and consequently many informative discussion and infographics on the issue from that time have been lost to oblivion which is actually not oblivion but censorship.
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54d567 No.148568
>>148559
>wikipedia or whatever other thing that's popular will be filled to the brim with militia that think their fairy tales are scientific, they're a pita to interact with, they get upset about these things as if they were to be black themselves
Add to this the fact that its editors are suffering from college-clique mentality. Recently I did some edits on a "completely apolitical" (quatation marks because there's no such thing) issue, enriching some preexisting lists in articles using as verification info from the calatogued subjects' wikipedia articles (after checking if the relevant info could be found in the cited sources) and wikipedia-approved sites that were officially standardized as staple citation pools. Still I got some non-negligible shit for tending on these heavily neglected articles with the excuse that I was making them "too self-referential" (presumably by using the catalogued subjects' articles' preexisting citations instead of finding new ones) and the only reason they did not get deleted is because I was "polite" (meaning caring about my edits enough to put myself on an unwarantedly apologetic position without getting defensive and not talk back to their self-proclaimed "authority).
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17023a No.148576
>>148568
So they forced you to eat shit.
I wonder what a totally uncurated collection of the mind of humanity and its collective knowledge would actually look like? Only the NSA knows.
Imagine the fucking POWER of all that data that we are totally denied.
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35391b No.148585
Originally the bio on Wiki for Max Warburg was extensive and showed that the brother of Paul Warburg was running the German economy for the Kaiser while Paul was head of the Fed. Two warring nations had their respective economies run by two brothers from the same bank; Kuhn Loeb. I went around 4chan and here and some other sites posting this evidence using the Wiki page link. Within a week the Max Warburg bio was stripped down to his birth, and education and family, a couple think paragraphs. All the inculpating info was purged. I wasn't surprised but I was impressed that my storm of posting on this had probably provoked them to do a cover up on one of their top coreligionists.
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ef64ac No.148587
>>148576
That's all they have is shit.
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54d567 No.148588
>>148576
>So they forced you to eat shit.
Well, yes but my edits, that could be useful for someone looking for encyclopedic info in wiki, remained so that's what all I care for. It's not like I give a fuck about my pseudonymous image in a predominantly misinformative site.
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2c7752 No.148590
Worthless discussion. Niggers and Jews control the media.
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2f97a0 No.148593
>>148534
> I am personally not into nazism
If this experience doesn't convince you then what will?
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54d567 No.148594
>>148585
Welcome to the club, buddy. Happenned to me with non political (non-anthropological biological) articles I posted in /pol/ as counter-arguments to grade-school level pseudoscientific liberal platitudes like interspecial hybrid fertility. They even tried to edit out Epstein's jewish background after he was arrested.
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54d567 No.148598
>>148593
Lurking, Give him some time, most newfags come in with an attempt of consensus cracking using shit anons have debunked since 2009 while this OP brought forgotten treasures as his offering.
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2c7752 No.148599
>>148593
Nazi is German slang for White Trash.
Even we don't like White Trash.
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54d567 No.148605
Btw, OP, there's already a scientific racism thread, though it mostly doesn't have citations as reliable as yours, you might want to give it a look for discussion's sake.
>>20966
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b4b5b5 No.148611
>they cannot stop us all if we begin to outnumber them
Sure they can. If they have admin powers they can do anything.
I always go out of my way not to use wikipedia. It's complete garbage. Sites like this should be avoided, attacked and discredited at every opportunity. This can be as simple as making fun of someone for using wikipedia, which is not hard because people who rely on wikipedia are often clowns and pseudo-intellectuals. You can bet there are millions of dollars changing hands and massive corruption going on behind the scenes on a site like that. It might have been a genuinely good faith attempt at sharing information at first, but at this point it is completely co-opted by people who want to sell the judeo-liberal narrative rather than share information. And I'm not even talking about the useful idiots who slave themselves doing the grunt work, I'm talking about billionaires who directly benefit and enrich themselves by selling the judeo-liberal narrative. There are entire companies that hire people to edit and patrol wikipedia. It's disgusting and should be treated like any other arm of the jewish media - a purveyor of fake news.
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e8c964 No.148632
>>148611
>I always go out of my way not to use wikipedia. It's complete garbage
certainly on any topic vaguely political. It's ok for how a steam engine works, or the summary of a battle or whatever
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b807aa No.148679
Surprised?
Up is down, down is up.
Truth and factual evidence is bad.
Lies and emotional opinions are good.
Low IQ races inherently prone to violence deserve rights and recognition.
Now go to work and be a good little slave while we ethnically cleanse you.
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c7395a No.148784
(Person who made the post)
I think primarily, the fact that Nazi's, white supremacists etc are using it, is what gets it discredited in the first place. What has happened is very little people have actually had a crack at criticizing the science, but rather, criticize that the research "Pioneer Fund" is a "White supremacist" research group.
Honestly, the Alt Hype has a website where a lot of this research can be found. As well as this website:
https://www.human-intelligence.org/
Ultimately to get this as mainstream, a professional looking website, with the style of this: https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php
We must also affirm that no one on this site has an agenda. Not to push nazism, fascism, paleo-conservatism etc, but rather to just dispell the myths. Honestly, biggest mistake made by Herrnstein and Murray was policy suggestions. As well as using data from "Lynn" which has already been deemed a "racist."
I am sure many of you have seen the video where Shaun "debunks" the Bell Curve with constant dishonesty and rubbish garbage like telling his viewers the Matrices test isn't an IQ test (It very much is) and then missing that modern studies today show Africans as having a low IQ anyway. Meaning if Lynn had an agenda or not, he was right anyway.
Personally, the largest nail in the coffin for differences among races is the Minnesota trans-racial twin studies which has 2 major problems. 1. The Wikipedia page literally says the complete opposite of what the data shows. And many people actually use the study to "debunk the bell curve."
2. When they admit it highlights the opposite, they claim it was "funded by the white supremacist Pioneer Fund."
Furthermore, most of the books that "debunk" the bell curve are not even written by scientists, but most historians, journalists and social scientists.
Would anyone else back the idea of pulling a website together?
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c7395a No.148787
I don't want to preach hate. I don't want to preach authoritarianism etc.
I am reasonably moderate honestly. But the one thing I think I relate to this poll, is that people of European origin will be constantly hated for poverty gaps that can only be addressed properly when we have an understanding that in a meritocracy, groups with lower IQ's will be damned to poverty. There are ways of fixing this though, such as closing illegal immigration and providing more low skilled jobs to these communities. UBI would also be a fantastic method of ensuring automation is keeping people in jobs and increase production. Honestly, the more and more I thought about global trade, I realised with the right economic structure, core countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-systems_theory) can trade within themselves and likely be wealthier.
Finally, I would like to apologies for any grammatical errors, I did not proof read my previous comment and feel really silly for not doing so.
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0be51e No.148802
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6f1b82 No.148804
>>148599
>Nazi is German slang for White Trash.
No it's not, amerimutt. It was originally the nickname for the name Ignaz.
Sage because shit thread. Wikijews work entirely on hierarchy while claiming that everyone is equal.
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b4b5b5 No.148806
>>148784
>>148787
You're either really new or a troll. I'll go over the basics since at least you seem to be trying and you don't seem to know anything. You can't reach good conclusions with incomplete information.
America and much of the Western world is either ruled or heavily influenced by jewish supremacists who see most of the non-jewish population as competitors to be eliminated or slaves to be exploited. They don't care about what's true and what isn't. They want to make people of European origin hated because it benefits them directly.
Kevin Macdonald is an evolutionary psychologist who has written on the subject. Since you enjoyed The Bell Curve, I recommend you read his books, especially The Culture of Critique.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bXZHDnVyVXnD/
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books.htm
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d88b58 No.148807
>>148534
Hello from Russia with redpill.
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d88b58 No.148810
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d88b58 No.148811
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c7395a No.148816
I would consider myself a white majoritarian. But I don't mind other races, I think we can co-exist.
I am new to /pol on 8chan, but in terms of jews controlling the world, I am aware they are in disproportionate positions of power. Now I understand the whole "Average IQ of Israel argument" but I feel it is fairly obvious they are in high positions of power is because of their IQ in a meritocracy. I understand that due to historical factors, "acceptance" would be in the interest of jewish peoples.
But I feel like this position is not advantageous to achieving your goals. You gotta play the game.
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7cf59f No.148822
>>148816
Even if you believe that jews have higher IQ than average that doesn't explain their position at all. This is because such a small population would still have much less geniuses in absolute numbers. Of course, it would be necessary more specific data and statistical analysis to prove this for certain, but it does seem very unlikely considering the discrepancy in absolute numbers.
About the idea of meritocracy, anyone who has participated or researched how the western system works will see that it's a mess of revolving doors, corruption, nepotism and back-room deals. Don't kid yourself. There's no meritocracy in the western world. Such a concept is highly idealistic and I don't even think such a thing is capable of existing in nature.
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17453f No.148823
>>148807
>>148807
to be fair that was around the time blm named the jew, most organizations decided to distance themselves from blm after June.
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9cb716 No.148828
>>148816
>I think things that have been proven false for 15,000 years and which are proven false by every single other mixing of species on the face of the Earth
Just leave this website. You’re too stupid to be considered human in the first place; what the fuck do you think you’re doing posting here? You have no fucking right to spam your shit.
>jewish IQ
There has never been a double blind random sampling study of jewish IQ done ever, at any time, anywhere on Earth. Average jewish IQ as shown in OTHER IQ studies is roughly 97.Jews are not more intelligent. The West is not meritocratic. What in the unholy fuck do you think you’re saying, retard?
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1e4045 No.148830
>>148828
Relax it was just analblockage man
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f61703 No.148838
>>148816
>white majoritarian
Dude, don't be silly. Nobody is going to call you that. Everyone is going to call you white supremist. Instead of making up these silly names you should realize that's exactly what you are, it's a great thing that you're interested in advancing yourself and your people and you should accuse everyone who's against that of being a jewish supremacist.
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c7395a No.148840
>>148828
This simply isn't true. It has been studied for a while actually.
-Lynn R. (2011) « The Chosen Poeple: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement », Richard Lynn, Washington Summit Publisher.
-Cochran G. et Harpending H. (2009) « The 10000 year explosion ».
-Deary I. et al. (2018) What genome-wide association studies reveal about the association between intelligence and physical health, illness, and mortality. Curr Opin Psychol. 23;27:6-12.
-Kirkegaard E. et al (2019) Polygenic Scores Mediate the Jewish Phenotypic Advantage in Educational Attainment and Cognitive Ability Compared With Catholics and Lutherans. Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences.
Now my knowledge on this topic is not perfect because it is covered up, but was the need to call me stupid really necessary?
But if this is the attitude then sure I will leave. I just thought this community could help me find consensus. Because I am very high suss on the establishment.
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c7395a No.148841
Just realized. Legit kinda making Sargon points. Not based.
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99a50b No.148857
>>148840
Did you actually read these things?
I found the full text of one of those articles, and it doesn't even seem to talk about jews at all.
The other includes this gem:
>After these selection criteria, the sample included 2,603 Catholics (51.2% female), 2,027 Lutherans (50.5% female), and 53 Jews (58.5% female)
This always seem to be the case whenever jews are involved in these IQ studies. The population is tiny. I've seem one study that only used 15 jews. When they do the same study in Israel with an actual meaningful population size, they find their IQ is much lower and then they blame it on non-jewish Russians immigrating to Israel pretending to be jews (oy vey).
>>148841
Tell that to the ADL, faggot.
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9cb716 No.148890
>>148840
>oy vey truth is lies because it harms jews
Yes, okay, get out if you can’t read. There has never been a double blind random sampling of jewish IQ done. Ever. They are not more intelligent. You’re a fucking retarded subhuman faggot defending one of the bigger jewish hoaxes.
>WAAAA BAD MAN CALL ME STUPID HE HURT MY FEE FEES
No, seriously, get the fuck out of here. You don’t care about objective reality and we‘re under no obligation to cater to your proven false spam.
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117ead No.148891
>>148534
>https://www.wired.com/2007/10/is-james-watson/
Makes a couple of decent points but the rest is nothing but muddying the waters without presenting any real counter argument, how annoying that that's enough to convince some people.
Just saying.
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54d567 No.148913
>>148816
> I feel it is fairly obvious they are in high positions of power is because of their IQ in a meritocracy
Their median IQ is 110-120, still there way more White people in the same ranges to justify kikes' gross overrepresantation in positions of influence, the word you are looking for is the oppossite of "meritocracy", it's nepotism.
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3bab5e No.148933
>>148913
Laws are immutable. It's a clever trick to distort reality and make the guy comply.
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8a2169 No.148952
>>148534
The only way to do anything on Wikipedia is if you do it as a group, bring about a dozen people to edit an article and stand your ground by maintaining a majority opinion on the specific article and then fighting back whenever someone makes an edit that you disagree with. Don't forget that doing this is many people's full time job, specially left-wing groups with millions of dollars in Jewish funding.
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f8d259 No.148958
So Wikipedia's editors and admins are anti-intellectual conformists who subscribe to whatever is the fashionable opinion, with little to no regard to its actual truth value. What else is new? They removed an edit I did to the page of my own country's people, where I simply deleted some leftist trash sentence in the ingress that not so subtly claimed that my people was for the most part agreed upon to not exist. What's going on at Wikipedia is a cultural revolution of non-discourse.
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54d567 No.149009
>>148958
>>148952
These. There's already turkish lobbying for the Armenian Genocide to be branded a conspiracy theory or renamed into something else than genocide
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3bab5e No.149034
how does a gay messican bleach a white guy?
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830395 No.149345
No one here is going to believe me but I'm an academic (we aren't all incel failures here) in the social sciences (criminology)
The accusations of academic racism are rampant in my field. The cold hard facts are as follow
>Blacks are more likely to be shot by police
>Blacks are more likely to have justified uses of force against them
>Neither of those facts on their own prove police discrimination or unjust act.
There are a ton of factors that can lead to this
>Much lower median black/white age (Google "age crime curve")
>More likely to live in a city and less likely to get informal resolution.
>Over represented in violent arrests (ex. Homicide arrests are more violent than shoplifting arrests)
>More likely to approve of using drugs outdoors
>Higher urban poverty rate
>Single parent households
>Cultural differences
>More likely to be on parole/probation which allows greater searches.
>More likely to consent to searches.
I could go on and on with everything from boring "longer mean commutes means higher odds of being searched" to "IQ differences and impulse control and mental health care availability"
Whenever I say any of this shit to the radical or feminist Criminologists (yes those are actual sub fields) they just screech "scientific racism."
>The real issue
Social science has split into 2 camps
>Camp 1: truth seekers - believes the goal of science is to advance knowledge. Policy is for policy makers but we can arm people with the research.
>Camp 2: the activists - believes that the goal of research is to push a certain agenda. This agenda can be benign, such as "advance public safety" or ideological such as "push public discord towards a communist utopia."
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7d837d No.149384
>>149345
, Minorities are also simply subject to a prejudice coming from statistics and basic bayesian based bias
Something like probability
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7d837d No.149385
>>149345
You simply end up with a sort of bayesian based bias, probability of A knowing B, from actual correlations. Machine learning systems end up doing that all the time. I've read that many computer vision system have such biases, coming from the training data. The same object gonna be classified as a gun when hold by a black and an electronic device while I hold by a white
I found the source
https://venturebeat.com/2020/08/06/researchers-discover-evidence-of-gender-bias-in-major-computer-vision-apis/
"
More recently, nonprofit AlgorithmWatch showed Cloud Vision API automatically labeled a thermometer held by a dark-skinned person as a “gun” while labeling a thermometer held by a light-skinned person as an “electronic device.”
"
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7d837d No.149386
>>149345
>>149385
Same source talking about funny mislabeling, with IBM Watson BDSM'S bias
Google isn’t the only vendor with apparent bias in its computer vision models. After testing Cloud Vision API, Barsan and team ran the same data set through IBM’s Watson Visual Recognition service, which returned the label “restraint chains” for 23% of the images of masked women (compared with 10% of the images of men) and “gag” for 23% (compared with 10% of the male images). Furthermore, Watson correctly identified 12% of the men to be wearing masks, while it was only right 5% of the time for the women.
The average confidence score for the “gag” label hovered around 79% for women compared to 75% for men, suggesting that Watson Visual Recognition was more hesitant than Cloud Vision API to assign those labels. IBM declined to comment, but it took issue with the way the data set was compiled, and a spokesperson says the company is conducting tests to find evidence of the bias Barsan claims to have uncovered.
https://venturebeat.com/2020/08/06/researchers-discover-evidence-of-gender-bias-in-major-computer-vision-apis/
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a476d2 No.149497
what you're saying is that it takes 7-9" of penis length to gag a woman
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da5782 No.149516
Really? You broke in to steal a razor knife?
Get the fuck out of here.
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7842a8 No.149796
>>148534
>I am personally not into nazism and crazy ideology.
Then you don't really understand what is going on. We are ruled by an enemy tribe which controls all of our information. Race Realism is only one of many fields which are suppressed because they do not serve the interests of our ruling class. I've been a follower of Steve Sailer and the HBD movement for a decade and have come to the conclusion that it is a dead end, truth and facts are largely irrelevant to this struggle, this is about power.
The only way to counteract Jewish power is with Aryan power, we must develop a strong racial consciousness rooted in our deep heritage and attach it to an aggressive National Socialist ideological framework, this is the only language which Jewish power understands and it is the only path to our salvation as a race.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KkgShHwD1UE7/
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75d2e5 No.151247
>>148534
>I don't mind multi-ethnic societies
How did someone so bluepilled even find this site?
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50a6a5 No.151430
Are you retarded?
>>151247
Youre not redpilled if you're gay or a criminal. Shit, not even sex workers are redpilled.
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517e80 No.160376
>>148534
Its about pushing a political ideology (duh). If you've been in any academic background (even just a bachelor degree) I can only ask the question "How could you be so oblivious to it?".
> crazy ideology
You already have a type of fascism (corporate and government fused together) where the main objective is oppressing anyone not elite (not a shaboos or filthy jew). The oppression isn't really physical, but in many ways. Take big pharma, using very specific drugs (e.g. gabapetine) and prescribe it for general usage (despite evidence clearly suggesting it only applies for specifics). This is obv for profit reasons, and it isn't harmless at all. Governments get lobbied and sponsor this shit as well. Another example would be pesticides used, Roundup from Bayer Monsanto is known to cause cancers as evidence from multiple lawsuits concluded. However no lawsuits have been done in regards to autism, alzheimer, parkinson, anxiety and depression for which strong correlations and links also exists.
Fines of course do get applied for violations (in case of Monsanto their lawsuits which will likely cost them a few billion in the future), but profits almost always outweigh the fines. Not to mention widespread societal and possibly environmental damage this shit is causing.
Natsoc isn't really a *crazy* ideology compared to most other things out there. I do agree though that a lot of things would be outdated in modern times or would be a severe bottleneck (and some elements I guess even bad such as the one leader thing which will backfire once you get someone inept / corrupt). Also plenty of other leadership structures that would quite easily turn into a massively dishonest clownshow (somehow a miracle it didn't do exactly that under Hitler, kind of shows how solid the inner core was).
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