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Stoicism Anonymous 09/18/17 (Mon) 06:25:52 db3f15 No.5584

i want to learn about it. I know almost nothing about it except going on wiki. Could you sugest some books and stuff. maybe even films on it aswell. Thanks.

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Anonymous 09/27/17 (Wed) 23:38:09 038172 No.5608

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>>5584

Good to see Anons taking an interest, here's the handbook of the OG himself, Epictetus. Lot of useful info really, but I wasn't too keen on the Hard Determinism. Still a good read with a lot of useful advice even today. Rundown:

>Universe is perfect

>Everything is predetermined to happen so there's no use getting emotional over things outside your control

>No one can influence your emotions except yourself; if your dog dies, the dog being dead didn't make you sad, you made yourself sad by letting yourself become sad, because you lack self-control

>Practice envisioning bad things happening to you and your loved ones so that when bad things do happen you will not become emotional

>Don't waste your life defining yourself by the things you own, the fact that others own better things than you only means their things are superior, it does not make them superior

>Everything in your life can go horribly wrong and all your shit can be revoked at a moment's notice, so be prepared mentally should it happen

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Anonymous 10/05/17 (Thu) 19:49:02 c87bd1 No.5620

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Strategically posted by police in Ladies Room at Birmingham Airport sign in Muslim part of Uk shows stoicism it's no longer a popular philosophy.

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Anonymous 10/13/17 (Fri) 14:24:04 75a435 No.5627

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>>5584

read about stoicism on either SEP or IEP, both are invaluable resources when it comes to reading about philosophy. i use it as a brief introduction to a movement or a thinker's main ideas and history.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/stoicism/

http://www.iep.utm.edu/stoicism/

from there, go to the bibliography of the article, and head over to (http://gen.lib.rus.ec/). my advice is to do a quick search of each book you want on amazon or goodreads to find an overview of the book as well as reviews, before you go and download it. you don't want to download a lot of books under the intoxicating haze of zeal only to end up not reading them. generally, the blackwell guides and the cambridge guides are top notch, at least in my opinion.

here's an introduction to the stoics. do well OP.

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Anonymous 10/22/17 (Sun) 10:23:53 57a4f0 No.5629

>>5627

I really enjoy Marcus Aurelius. The thrill of reading an emperors diary could be an effective in

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Anonymous 01/05/18 (Fri) 03:51:17 a15277 No.5711

>>5608

>Everything is predetermined to happen so there's no use getting emotional over things outside your control

Pretty sure that this is erroneous reading of stoicism. The idea would be that there are forces outside of you that you cannot stop, for instance if I were to turn off my computer right now there is nothing, you, anon can do about it. Hence there is no point on focusing on something you cannot affect. However there is something the world cannot affect, it's your freedom of thought, rational and emotional. Therefore instead of focusing on me turning off my computer which you change, focus on how this make you feel and have the control over the useless emotions which will have you act in irrational matters you cannot affect.

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Anonymous 01/21/18 (Sun) 05:46:31 d61a99 No.5717

I wouldn't be opposed to Stoicism if it didn't dabble with heretical Determinism. its either Compatibilism or gtfo.

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Anonymous 01/21/18 (Sun) 14:09:09 a6357b No.5728

>>5717

It doesn't, though.

Read the post right above yours (>>5711)

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Anonymous 02/18/18 (Sun) 02:32:06 1295e8 No.5978

>>5711

>>5728

seconded. Stoicism does not necessarily mean hard determinism. The world is not predetermined, but you have no power to change any of it except for what's in your own head.

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Anonymous 04/30/18 (Mon) 17:14:13 b63934 No.6280

>>5978

>you have no power to change any of it except for what's in your own head

Seems like special pleading.

Everything that happens in the universe happens according to the laws of the universe.

We are in the universe.

Therefor we can't help but conform to these laws.

Unless you wanna argue that the mind exists separate from the universe.

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Anonymous 05/02/18 (Wed) 01:23:19 0d7de7 No.6282

>>6280

None of what you've said is of any importance whatsoever, neither as a reply nor as a defense of determinism.

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Anonymous 05/10/18 (Thu) 03:54:06 d49b3e No.6299

Ego is the Enemy by Ryan Holiday is an extremely easy read(even I who felt like I didn't have much of an attention span loved the simple analogous style).

The author has a stoic diary book out, and some other interesting nonfiction with a very logical style like the Obstacle is the Way. Probably the closest I've read to a modern stoic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqaU5TQw_i4

Interview with him to give you an idea of what he's like.

If you want deeper, then anything by Seneca and Marcus Aurelius's Meditations are the core of stoicism.

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Anonymous 05/11/18 (Fri) 02:27:18 cf19f4 No.6311

>>5608

>So, your wife is cheating on you with Jamal. Boo hoo! Suck it up, and deal with it!

Literally philosophy for cucks.

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Anonymous 05/11/18 (Fri) 20:54:40 b499bd No.6312

I'm a daily practitioner of Stoicism, so I can recommend you a few things. It's a wonderful way to orientate your life. The foundational books (i.e. the ones that outline the basic tenants) I could recommend are:

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius (free on Project Gutenberg)

The Enchiridion and Discourses by Epictetus (my favorite, also found free on Project Gutenberg as 2 separate books)

Letters from a Stoic by Seneca (there are a lot of different letters he's written, which you can also find free online but they all have different titles)

For more modern applications of Stoicism:

How to be a Stoic by Massimo Pigliucci

Stoicism and the Art of Happiness by Donald Robertson

A Guide to the Good Life by William Irvine

And books by Stoics but not 100% Stoic:

The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck by Mark Manson

The Obsticle is the Way by Ryan Holiday

There are 2 main websites where you can get some great info too:

Howtobeastoic.wordpress.com (By the Professor Massimo Pigluicci who wrote the book above)

Modernstoicism.com (By Proffesor Gregory Sadlet who has a great YouTuibe Channel about Stoicism and Philosophy)

DailyStoic.com (By Ryan Holiday, the author of the Obsticle is the way book above)

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Anonymous 05/11/18 (Fri) 21:37:36 b499bd No.6313

>>6282

Stoicism doesn't have any hard or fast rules about determinism, I'm not sure where you got that impression. Instead Stoics believe that the Logos (Universe/God/Gods/whatever) manifests itself as a universal causal network where men's actions are a part of this cause and effect web bringing about a specific outcome. A lot of scholars have debated this specific issue Dorothea Frede and Massimo Pigluicci (the later most recently), and none of them have ever associated Stoic concepts of logos with predetermination. Instead it's a complex view of causality in which "fate" isn't a linear series of events but instead a whole "network of interacting causes." Cicero's "Cylinder" analogy is a good one that explains this on a "cosmic scale." On a personal scale though I prefer Cleanthes' dog and cart analogy. His analogy is a good one to visualize. He described us as a dog tied to a moving cart by a long leash. The leash gives us enough leeway to determine our own path by moving to one side of the cart, behind it, to the other side, stop for a bit, etc, but the cart's still moving regardless of what the dog does. As the dog we can fight against this leash and be dragged along in misery or we can choose to be happy and use our limited span to enjoy the journey. Stoics don't believe in absolute determinism other than we can all say in our own lives we can "absolutely determine" that we're all going to die some day.

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Anonymous 05/17/18 (Thu) 17:03:14 853b21 No.6327

>>6313

I'm not sure where you've got the impression that you've replied to anything but a post randomly shitting on another.

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