34d839 No.4915
Is there any philosophy behind racialism/nationalism? Why would I dedicate my live to other people?
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34d839 No.4916
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34d839 No.4917
Unrelated comment but
>Nihilist flag
>Nietzsche image
Might be time to stop
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6d101c No.5316
It's much easier to get along with people almost identical to yourself.
In the environment of evolutionary adaptation, other tribes were deadly hazards, and so xenophobia evolved. Most times you see someone openly displaying outgroup shibboleths, your genes think you're surrounded by enemy tribesmen who have no reason not to kill you and a Malthusian benefit on the murder side of the ledger. Exception: someone babbling in non-English makes you annoyed that you can't carry out your own Malthusian murder impulse, because you obviously outnumber the outgroup members.
I'm not sure what's up with the pride thing though. Perhaps someone else can explain it to me. Seems as evolved as xenophobia, seeing how common it is, but I certainly can't explain what it evolved to do.
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45c9e2 No.5496
>>4915
Why would you dedicate your life to your children or your in family in general? Why would you prefer helping your family rather than a stranger you have nothing in common with. This is essentially the question.
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474b62 No.5497
>>5496
Biology compels you to care about your herbs more than helping we is most qualified to live. So you spoil a kids rather than helping the genius son of another family
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80f01c No.5498
>>5496
I help my family because I like them and they're good to me. Most of the other whites I've encountered are pathetic. I don't have the energy for nationalism, I'd rather focus on what I can do for myself than accept credit for what people genetically similar to me have done.
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45c9e2 No.5499
>>5497
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
>>5498
Race should be seen as a cultural and spiritual phenomenon, and is non-materialistic in that sense. Basing race on arbitrary things such as color or genetics will only lead to decadence in the strength of a nation. A nation needs to be seen as a spiritual entity and not as a material phenomenon.
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768c09 No.5500
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80f01c No.5501
>>5499
The spiritual and cultural aspects of race are worth paying mind to, but I don't think that makes genetics and appearance useless. I do appreciate my cultural heritage, but as an American, even with 99.8% European genes my ancestry is fairly diverse. I don't care to be a part of the Episcopal Church that I was born into, nor do I care to even attempt to revive the druidic faith (mainly for lack of knowledge). In a time where every culture and every spirituality is far more accessible than ever before, it seems best to me as an individual that I pick from each what aspects bring me benefit and discard the rest.
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6b59e2 No.5502
>>5501
>it seems best to me as an individual that I pick from each what aspects bring me benefit and discard the rest.
I don't know anon, "rational coherence" seems beneficial to me. Imagine a puzzle that can't be completed.
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80f01c No.5503
>>5502
I don't need to complete it. If I can complete significantly more of it than anybody else, I'll be set up for a great life.
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c42498 No.5504
Once you are setup for a good life, steos toward surviving matter less to you. Having time to think about what shit means, to be more culturally literate, and to have a coherent world-view becomes more desirable as your needs are taken care of.
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80f01c No.5506
>>5504
The things you described are the steps I'm taking. Most of Maslow's Hierarchy was never an issue for me, I just had to overcome some anxiety, minor trauma, eating problems, overinvestment in useless things, and a host of other mental dangers. Now that I'm either beyond or moving beyond all of those things, self-actualization is what I mean when I say I'm "set up for a great life." I am becoming the greatest possible version of myself, but aligning harshly with the beliefs that one person says to follow (whether it's religion, politics, philosophy, etc.) jeopardizes that.
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022c03 No.5568
>>4915
>Is there any philosophy behind racialism/nationalism?
"Feelz > Realz"
>Why would I dedicate my live to other people?
You're not even doing that. The whole bullshit is a scam to push the agenda of the ruling class. Funny how the "the people's will" always seems to match the fuhrer's to a T.
Oh, the ruler thinks we need to invade that country? Well suddenly, "the people" want to invade that country! Fuck direct democracy, all we need it a figurehead, right? Just do what you want and disregard "your people", you are of them, but not them. You are your own, so how can there be more than one you? Read Stirner.
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5cdc4d No.5570
>>5568
Out of all people, you're the one who should avoiding cherry picking the worst case possible. I could post the image of some retarded ass anarchist kicking down a trash can and determine that anarchism is just down to being a teenager rebel.
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022c03 No.5571
>>5570
Fascists have no unifying theory. Anarchists do. Fascists focus on aesthetics and then make up ideals and justifications afterword. Anarchists have set books written about what is to be done.
>you're the one who should avoiding cherry picking the worst case possible
OK, how well did traditionalism and nationalism work out for Mussolini? He didn't seem to think the trade unions were "the voice of the people", even though they, you know, produce everything society uses. His book was literally him sucking state dick because of how great it was that they kept him in power. How bout north Korea? How well is ultranationalist tradition working out for a country of retards who honestly think Dear Leader is the reason the sun rises in the morning and that they're "the cleanest race" even though they live in dirt and have beer bottles used as IVs, no internet, and are completely unaware that the USA have sent a man on the moon? They have accepted foreign aid in the past yet still are brainwashed to want to kill america. Why? Because Kimmy is butthurt over Worst Korea and is risking the peoples' lives because he has a personal grudge. So yes, fascism is a scam to ignore direct democratic processes in favor of the leader doing whatever he wants under the justification of "but the people really want whatever it is that I say they want."
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304b3f No.5573
>>5571
>Tell him to not go grab the worst cases because its cherry picking
>He grabs fucking North Korea
I'm not even a fascist I just think you're the spookiest person ever. Oh by the way, I don't think this argument is holy and I know no "commandment of the argument", so even if you bullshit me with your choice picks, I still don't have to bow down to anarchism.
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344133 No.5574
>>5506
>Most of Maslow's Hierarchy was never an issue for me,
That would depend on what political ideoloogy you follow. I am quite sure the libertarians and the totalitarian statists have psychological problems and the social liberals are the closet to being sane.
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344133 No.5575
Whoops, wrong political compass, this is the real one the world follows.
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89bce5 No.5576
>>5575
And still that upper right hand corner is nowhere to be found within a snuggly significant other.
;_;
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5036e6 No.5578
>>5576
It would get exhausting after a while. If you don't take time to say "you're my special snowflake" the insecure love has a break down.
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89bce5 No.5579
>>5578
>>5578
>you're my special snowflake :3
<no, you're my special snowflake :33
>no, YOU are my special snowflake :3333
Truly a fate worse than death.
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89bce5 No.5580
>>5579
...
I ...
I'll be your fate worse than death, Anon. <3
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022c03 No.5609
>>5573
>You're not allowed to use countarguments that destroy my argument!
Literally Feels: The Argument.
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f01bb1 No.5617
>>5609
No, this is "feels the argument":
You're an fucking retard for not knowing what cherry picking is and how it relates what I said.
And please don't respond to this post since you can't produce any argument of value.
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022c03 No.5618
>>5617
>providing examples that disprove my argument is cherrypicking
>stop replying to me so I can feel like I won!
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
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5a448b No.5660
>>5568
>Feelz > Realz
>Racialism
wut
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ced3ff No.5687
>>5660
It's empirically unsound too, there is no evidence that subspecies of humans exist.
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9a8b0c No.5758
They are your people, an extension of yourself and a group of people who share your blood.
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fb6dd1 No.5761
>>5758
It goes further than blood. These people share similar cultural values to you.
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c760d5 No.5774
>>5498
>t. has never lived outside his home nation
I was a White Nationalist when I lived in the United States, my father country, but this was based on emotional insecurity and a desire to identify with something larger and more concrete than my own self-image.
Now that I've spent some years in Central America, I've gained an enormous amount of self-esteem and self-respect through struggling against absolutely abject poverty- I have gone hungry for lack of money for food. And yet I learned that I still prefer other Whites- but this is because we share a certain degree of trust and cultural familiarity through which we can communicate and deal with each other far more than I can with Latinos. They view me as an outsider to be taken advantage of. Other Whites view me as a potential partner to be dealt with fairly for both our benefit, because we need each other to survive.
Unless you have lived in a society in which you are a minority, I don't know how much authority you have to speak on matters of racial identity. It is unnecessary in a situation in which almost everyone you encounter shares your deepest cultural assumptions. If you have not experienced the flip side, shut the fuck up, you don't know what it's like to be only be able to trust someone on sight if they share your racial background- and this is not spoken from a position of bigotry. This strategy has indeed proved to be pragmatically effective. I have yet to be betrayed by a member of my own race within the expat community. We 'gringos' trust each other, and every single time we hold ourselves to those standards of trust. Meanwhile these...others constantly demonstrate themselves to be all too eager to fuck me and others over as soon as they can, because we are an 'other' who is perceived to have more money than they. And if you even start to think that this is because I have some sort of privilege, let it be known that I came to this country without a single fucking penny to my name and I learned the language myself and now work for 3 fucking dollars per hour. And yet they still resent me, even when I share what little I have with them. Any gringo in this country that feels otherwise is stupidly naive and simply does not realize when theyre being charged double for the same service or good on account of their whiteness. And if you argue that this is justified, you have no principles to begin with,
Fuck progressives, you fuckers are sheltered as shit and have no idea wht it is to actually make your own way in the world without the backing of a 'systemically white supremacist' culture to back up your drivel.
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767aaa No.5786
>>5774
>Unless you have lived in a society in which you are a minority, I don't know how much authority you have to speak on matters of racial identity.
Literally tumblr
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767aaa No.5787
>>5774
Why don't you return to your country?
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328042 No.5861
>>5316
First time visiting this post and this made me response, even as a philosophical retard.
Hwhites mutts and Europeans indeed have it too good. Even in a place of rationality they can't even reflect upon how and why it is possible that they can sit here and mentally jerk off.
>>5774
spics are the worst. More so than niggers and kikes I believe. Hyper sexualized and lazy. That's why I can't think of any philosopher who came from that shithole.
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ac3ffb No.5862
Given that you're a nihilist, you may find this interesting:
Nihilism is the foundation of Conservatism
by Brett Stevens
Pity the poor conservatives. Historically, we are those who refused to join the Revolution and instead held that we should preserve what was best about the past and require that “new” ideas be tested before we adopted them. Not like anyone has listened to that of course.
Better than science, this is the past as it happened. It has zero conjectural component, including the idea that what can be reproduced in the lab will somehow occur in life. In 1789, as during the signing of the Magna Carta and the various peasant revolts, society split into two. One side took the “new” idea of equality of all people, which basically means do whatever you want short of murder, rape and theft, and the latter held to the idea that social order was necessary. Hierarchy was more important than individualism, in that view.
Over time the idea of do-whatever-you-want has proven, time and again, to be more popular. It is easier for the mind to comprehend and does not entangle it in any of the troubling details of reality. As a pure thought alone, removed from all else, it comforts us. Each person is important. No person must suffer for social standards, cultural values or something as arcane as identity. We are all one, because we are each the same. You can imagine zombies coming over the hill chanting that, sustained by the sense of being important by avoiding the twin extremes of unimportance and having actually achieved something. If we measure importance by achievement, some will win and the rest lose, but if we go egalitarian/altruistic, everyone wins some importance even if it is paltry and insignificant because everyone else has it. The human mind has not yet evolved to think as many steps forward as it requires to understand this.
In contrast to this stands the conservative idea. Composed of two parts, its first prong is consequentialism or the idea that “new” ideas should be tested and their actual results in physical reality found to be good, no matter how long it takes for this test, before they are implemented. The second prong suggests that instead of aiming for an average or lowest common denominator, we should target higher goals that are more excellent or good, beautiful and true beyond the average among which we wander in everyday life. These two prongs reveal the paradox of conservatism: grounded in nihilism, it rises toward the transcendent through an appreciation of the logic of striving.
Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. – Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, “Nihilism”
Nihilism states the bare facts of life: nothing can be known because we relate to the world remotely through ourselves; nothing can be communicated because communication is a process of negotiation, where each side attempts to understand the other and comes away with its own version of what is being said; values are baseless in that they do not exist in reality, but comprise our response to it. We can argue that objectively better results exist but people can choose to deny that fact, or deny that better is indeed what they desire, and choose something else instead. The human struggle is one between narcissism and realism, and when narcissism wins out, people choose illusions over realistic responses. This is the most common state of human existence, hence the use of the term “common” as a type of lower rank.
Full here: http://www.amerika.org/politics/nihilism-is-the-basis-of-conservatism/
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daa30e No.5921
>>5774
I'm an expat and my experience is less one-sided.
I'm quite wary of immigrants from my country. I'm not the only one. Most of the people in our expat community know this.
There are two sides of the coin:
On one hand, my people are the best. They can help greatly. The level of philosophical alignment is much higher than with people of other nations.
And here comes the problem: They know you too well. They know your weak points. They know how to scam you. They know the amount of abuse that you'll swallow.
This is very similar to doing business with relatives. Generally, they might be close people, but the end result is often disastrous.
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daa30e No.5922
>>5862
It's hard for me to reason about conservatives as I have yet to see one.
Actions of most of the adepts of political ideologies are very different from what they preach.
Same with conservatives. Those who call themselves conservatives mostly try to conserve their power, wealth, authority and part of their backyard. They jump on any untested (or tested and found poisonous) novelty as long as it conserves and strengthens their main values (power, wealth).
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