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e9a8ba No.4153

So i'm reading EUTHYDEMUS by Plato. In this dialogue Socrates meets two brothers that believe that they can sell wisdom to people.

To impress Socrates and his friends, they first challenge a young boy and demonstrate that words can have more than one meaning in a context and in fact any answer to their question can be wrong. One of Socrates' friends steps in only to be frustrated when he can't break their chain of logic. Then another, more learned friend of Socrates steps in and their word play

Now its clear that they are sophists (i.e. Plato's version of Satan) and this is one his main works on rhetoric. I haven't finished the dialogue but I have to ask:

What is wisdom? How is it really different from what these two brothers are doing? Is the sort of wisdom Plato's characters (like Socrates and co.) advocate genuine or does Socrates perform a different kind of wordplay and he simply believes he is touching on genuine teaching? After all the whole "idea-have opponent verify the idea-come a conclusion that bewilders opponent" not the same thing but with a different motive? Was Aristophanes right to say that Socrates was just an idealized sophist?

Isn't it contradictory? After all, if you teach wisdom well and argue well, making it hard for your opponent to argue with you are basically teaching your student how to think like you? If wisdom poorly (i.e. they can consider the problem easier and come to their own conclusions) are you not failing to argue but doing a better job in creating unique thought in the opponent?

If its answered later then i'll finish it and come back, but I want to get your take on it.

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e9a8ba No.4160

>>4153

Wisdom has no set meaning. The Sophists were relativists, which is what Plato hated above all. The whole idea of Socratic dialectic is to debate a concept until it is thoroughly pounded in agreement by both sides as to what it is. The idea is that every use of a concept carries some truth and has the central essence of the idea in it, but some concepts are so widely used in different contexts that it is bewildering what ties all those uses together in the concept. For all things that fundamentally mattered, yes, Socrates/Plato ultimately were bewildered as to what the concepts essentially meant in the end. Plato tried to really get at the core meaning of things like the good, wisdom, and beauty, etc., but he didn't really succeed.

If you take a Wittgensteinian view of wisdom and analyze how it's used, it's quite simple to see that wisdom is the proper/right use of knowledge. It is a concept that unites knowledge with ethics. One may know many things and yet be a complete idiot and not the least bit wise.

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