/philosophy/ -Descartes the THE worst philosopher. Discuss.>Meditation I - Doubt shit.>Yes we know.>Meditation II - The Cogito>Only interesting part of his work tbh.>Meditation III - synthetic a priori deduction that God exists>LMAO!!!!!>Meditation IV -

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Anonymous 05/21/16 (Sat) 21:26:58 f867c7 No.4073

Descartes the THE worst philosopher. Discuss.

>Meditation I - Doubt shit.

>Yes we know.

>Meditation II - The Cogito

>Only interesting part of his work tbh.

>Meditation III - synthetic a priori deduction that God exists

>LMAO!!!!!

>Meditation IV - Trying to explain holes in III's logic.

>You can stop reading this guy now.

>Meditation V -

>I told you to stop reading Descartes.

>Meditation VI - Substance Dualism - AKA the philosophy of mind people are too embarrassed to believe in.

>Seriously you're getting into autistic stuff here...

The only reason it might be worth learning anything he says is to be able to read people that criticise him.

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Anonymous 05/21/16 (Sat) 21:28:19 f867c7 No.4074

>>4073

Missed out V.

He tries to prove the existence of the external world and another deductive argument for the existence of God.

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A.W. 05/22/16 (Sun) 03:10:45 f867c7 No.4078

>>4073

Just read the Discourse on Method and you'll know why he's doing what he does.

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Anonymous 05/22/16 (Sun) 10:51:04 f867c7 No.4080

>>4073

Well his doubt practice certainly BTFO'd most of the Greeks when he was able to finally demonstrate thought and existence. I think we owe him for that because otherwise we spend another 1000 years trying to figure out Artistotle.

Speaking of BTFOing, didn't he also rape Aristotle's physics in the ass? Or at least help Newton do it somehow?

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Anonymous 05/22/16 (Sun) 18:18:30 f867c7 No.4084

>>4078

But what exactly do you think he is doing?

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Anonymous 05/24/16 (Tue) 05:35:06 f867c7 No.4098

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>>4073

>>4080

>>4084

Theres a reason why no one gives a shit about philosophy prior to the enlightenment

Theres a reason we don't even study philosophers between the Hellenic period and the Enlightenment period

And that reason is Descartes

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Anonymous 05/24/16 (Tue) 16:55:13 f867c7 No.4100

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>>4098

Descartes is pre-Enlightenment. Even if he was that wouldn't excuse how awful his philosophy is. As I said, the Cogito in Meditation II is the only real interesting part of his work. After that he is just stupid and none of these ideas really form the basis of many philosophies to come. In fact Descartes even proposes an ontological argument similar to Anselm's, an 11th century archbishop.

Oh and people do still study people like Anselm and Aquinas these days.

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Anonymous 05/26/16 (Thu) 06:43:28 f867c7 No.4112

>>4100

>pre-enlightenment

Didn't know, sorry

>none of these ideas really form the basis of many philosophies to come

Didn't he basically inspire Newton and other physicists because he offered a method interpretation different from that of Aristotle?

>people still study Aquinas

Who isn't nearly as all the non-Aristotelians that's came after Descartes.

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Anonymous 05/26/16 (Thu) 12:34:42 f867c7 No.4120

>>4073

>too embarassed

i think chalmers is pretty willing to argue for substance dualism if not cartesian dualism

that said,

descartes questions are what have relevance.

his answers (metaphysics in particular) while not held in high philosophical esteem, did a hell of a lot to reclaim philosophy from the church.

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Anonymous 06/01/16 (Wed) 00:13:01 f867c7 No.4163

>>4112

>Didn't know, sorry

He might as well be Enlightenment, though, some people (THE FRENCH) claim he is the pre-cursor to it.

>Didn't he basically inspire Newton and other physicists because he offered a method interpretation different from that of Aristotle?

As a mathematician? Sure, but by that logic surely Pythagoras is equally worthy of praise. His bean theories should be as venerated as his mathematical theories are.

Book 2 of Principia Mathematica was written in response to Descartes, refuting his shit like Cartesian theory of vortices.

>Who isn't nearly as all the non-Aristotelians that's came after Descartes.

William Lane Craig.

But really it's a shame people see the pre-Enlightenment period as inferior, brainless retards who are all obsessed with gods. The Islamic Golden Age was almost like a mini-Enlightenment in itself.

>>4120

>chalmers

Substance dualism is Cartesian dualism. Chalmers supports property dualism. Property dualism is the non-embarrassing alternative to substance dualism.

>his answers did a hell of a lot to reclaim philosophy from the church.

How? His entire philosophy relies on the existence of God. If God does not exist then the problems he puts forward are still left unchallenged and leads to solipsism.

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Anonymous 06/23/17 (Fri) 00:13:05 a2aa2b No.5397

The problem with discarding Descartes is that substance dualism is true. Reality doesn't care how ridiculous you find it, or how ridiculous you find her messengers.

If you think you can do better, invent something on the scale of usefulness of Cartesian coordinates, then maybe you'll have some call for looking down on Descartes for being imperfect.

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