/nofap/ - Fappers Anonymous★

>100 days

>but having sex

Nice try fam

>>8957

>>8957

Sex is not pornography

>>8978

you're being deceptive.

>>8957

This is so stupid, sex is in no way the same thing as nofap because you ARE able to have sex with a woman without external degenerate stimuli. You can't have sex with your hand without external degenerate stimuli because you weren't designed to be sexually attracted to your hand.

>>8989

>external degenerate stimuli

Bizarre reason to do nofap

Sex and masturbation are alike in that they release stored seminal fluid

Sex and abstinence are different in that one requires discipline and the other doesn't. One is a test of endurance, the other isn't

>>8990

>bizarre

And why do you think that seminal fluid is stored for?

>>8991

Why it's stored doesn't especially matter, only that it's stored. When it's built up you substantially increase your testosterone levels and gain a number of invaluable life benefits. The proof that these benefits are from semen retention and not from dopamine sensitization from porn deprivation is that if you masturbate without porn for a couple days after gaining these benefits you'll lose them all

The reason having sex doesn't have a major impact on these benefits is because having sex is also something that increases testosterone for a couple days

>>8995

Ok so you get all these test boosts and invaluable life benefits and…for what? You are talking like after you successfully avoid spilling the gas on the ground and storing it in your car, you just leave it there.

Semen is the most essential fluid of the male body because it is the one which produces new life. That's why not releasing it increases your testosterone levels, because your body aids you in your path to procreate.

>>8997

>Ok so you get all these test boosts and invaluable life benefits and…for what?

Improved quality of life

>You are talking like after you successfully avoid spilling the gas on the ground and storing it in your car, you just leave it there.

what

>Semen is the most essential fluid of the male body because it is the one which produces new life

Life doesn't matter, only pleasure

>That's why not releasing it increases your testosterone levels, because your body aids you in your path to procreate

This part's true. I'd say if procreation is something that matters to someone they should only have sex when they want to procreate, and otherwise abstain from releasing semen

>>8998

>improved quality of life

NoFap doesn't improve your quality of life, it gives you the necesarry aids for making it yourself

>Life doesn't matter, only pleasure

By that logic you wouldn't take nofap in the first place. Chosing life over pleasure in this context doesn't mean you deny pleasure, but choose eudaimonism instead of hedonism.

>if procreation is something that matters to someone

It matters to virtually everyone whether or not you choose to acknowledge it or not.

>>9001

>NoFap doesn't improve your quality of life, it gives you the necesarry aids for making it yourself

This statement conflicts with my own experience, the experience of everyone that follows my advice, and the testimonies of various others that do nofap

>By that logic you wouldn't take nofap in the first place

No, I do nofap because it increases my overall pleasure and intensifies experiential pleasure

>Chosing life over pleasure in this context doesn't mean you deny pleasure, but choose eudaimonism instead of hedonism

Eudaimonism is just a pleasure form. One would be smart to simply maximize pleasure with what they've got.

>It matters to virtually everyone whether or not you choose to acknowledge it or not

It doesn't matter to me. Secondary to my desire to maximize pleasure is my desire for all life on this planet to end

>>8997

That's the most retarted thing I've heard for quite some time.

>>8997

if youre

>>9002

>>9002

>This statement conflicts with my own experience, the experience of everyone that follows my advice, and the testimonies of various others that do nofap

>No, I do nofap because it increases my overall pleasure and intensifies experiential pleasure

What you are describing is what anyone typically feels after dopamine sensitization, which in this case is induced by deprivation from porn/imagination+fap. It has nothing to do with semen retention.

Semen retention doesn't directly improve your quality of life, as I said, but gives you the necessary aids(i.e. exhibiting behaviours which are more attracting to the opposite sex). In my own experiece, as well as others', it makes you generally angrier and more willing to dominate others and not be dominated. That's also specifically why after you mate your stored seminal fluid is released: to give another male(i.e. with stored seminal fluid) the opportunity to mate in your place

>Eudaimonism is just a pleasure form. One would be smart to simply maximize pleasure with what they've got.

One would be smarter to realise the antagonism between the pleasure forms and pick the better, more fulfiling one.

>It doesn't matter to me. Secondary to my desire to maximize pleasure is my desire for all life on this planet to end

I'm talking about objective, biological desires.

>>9022

>What you are describing is what anyone typically feels after dopamine sensitization, which in this case is induced by deprivation from porn/imagination+fap

Dopamine plays a part, but the benefits that predominantly increase my overall pleasure and experiential pleasure are related to testosterone. The benefits I value from nofap are also found in weightlifting, sun exposure, and short-term testosterone boosting supplements like 1-XD. There's many plausible theories that link testosterone levels to semen retention, and the idea that porn consumption is somehow related to testosterone levels is dubious. At any rate, testosterone increases quality of life, and nofap increases quality of life

>doesn't directly improve your quality of life, as I said, but gives you the necessary aids(i.e. exhibiting behaviours which are more attracting to the opposite sex)

The quality of life improvements I experience from testosterone boosting methods and nofap alike have nothing to do with the opposite sex

>In my own experiece, as well as others', it makes you generally angrier and more willing to dominate others and not be dominated

I've been on this board for a while. I've seen people describe this reaction to semen retention and nofap, but they're few and far between. Most people that do nofap, as well as most people that use alternative means of increasing testosterone describe either having a greater quality of life, being happier, or being calmer

>One would be smarter to realise the antagonism between the pleasure forms and pick the better, more fulfiling one

Hedonism and "Eudaimonism" aren't mutually exclusive because hedonism isn't a sucked dick and a mouthful of chocolate cake

>I'm talking about objective, biological desires

Desire to fuck =/= desire to procreate

>>9022

Also the claim that dopamine sensitization is responsible for the pleasant feelings from nofap and not semen retention seems to be one without evidence for or against it