/nofap/ - Fappers Anonymous★

>>1287

Really didnt ask for life advice. Asked for the science behind it.

This MIGHT be hard to understand, I know, I see druggies in recovery all the time in my line of work that look at people that casually smoke weed or drink or w/e, and think "OMG THEY HAVE A PROBLEM," because they're projecting their problems on to others. But no, I have a normal life. Porn and fapping dont rule me. i dont pull my phone out at work and look at tits. I dont jerk off randomly throughout the day. I dont act as one reddit(faggit) girl poster on r/nofap posted, and run to my room to masturbate as soon as the house is empty.

Porn, and fapping, do not rule me. They do not interfer with other things going on in my life. I purely wanted to see if there were physical benefits from the supposed T-level increases of abstinence. And wanted clarification on what constitutes a finishing point of masturbation, if so called "dry orgasms" still cause the same effects of a full orgasm and ejaculating.

Or perhaps as I'm reading other sources looking for answers from people NOT projecting their inadequacies on me, if its linked instead to the dopamine and opioid like effects from the brain chemistry side of an orgasm or multiple orgasms in a day (see: opioid effect and burnout period).

But… thanks for being a faggot?

If you want to fuck up your brain with dopamine, you didn't screw up.

it doesn't really matter if edging counts or not, if you are edging you are gonna be full on fapping pretty soon. To succeed at nofap you need porn and masturbation totally out of your mind like how if you were to go on a diet you have to get all the unhealthy food out of your kitchen, if you diet but know you still have a big box of doughnuts in your kitchen there's a 99% chance your gonna eat the whole dam box - you are just making things unnecessarily hard on yourself.

>>1289

Not really worried about reward circuits. Once again, the point was T-levels.

Maybe should I explain this a bit better. low T runs in my family as they get older. Specifically beyond the age of 40. I figured if there was a way to increase levels BEFORE then, I'd have a better shot dealing with it when it comes to that point in my life.

Which is why I said, i dont care about the reward system shit, just overall test levels.

However as I've been reading I've run across (and lost, and cant fucking find again) someone on one of the chans explaining how they figured out the overall process as a med student and suspect its a feedback loop of sorts… i cant remember the specifics of it though, but it was linked with large doses of dopamine release associated with orgasm, or, I would assume, edging for long periods of time.

So, I suppose I answered my own question and yes I fucked that up, but only because I misunderstood the, albeit rarely explained, process of what causes T level decreases for this.

>>1292

Again, thats not the point, nor is "getting off porn/fapping" what I care about. means to an end my friend, means to an end. Not a fatty who needs to purge their house of cheetos, just someone looking for ways to elevate testosterone levels in their system. If there were a way to do it while still looking at porn and jerking whenever I wanted, I'd do that instead, because frankly, I dont have a problem with either of those things.

>>1293

To clarify, what I was saying was not that its not understood dopamine messes with it, but rather than the end result of fapping is a large release, which if I recall there have been many debunking posts about how T levels arent overall truly effected except for maybe one day a week, which is hardly anything to care about.

But the post explaining it, went into detail about how most T in your system is fairly … well for lack of a better way to put it, inert, or doesnt bind to receptors all the time if I recall the post right. But over time without dopamine rushes from getting off, the binding rate increases. So effectively debunking the debunking, as it only looked at overall levels, not the rate of binding to receptors and becoming much more active, which that rate IS effected by orgasms and the joined dopamine releases.

Which is all I was after… to think I had to dig for two days to find this out while you guys just ranted because Im not doing this shit for your reasons instead of my own.

>>1295

Funny enough, I've actually done that before. Edged and then just stopped. I dont really get the whole blue ball thing. When other guys talk about it I laugh along with them, but frankly have no idea what that feels like cause its never happened to me.

Ever see that episode of seinfield where they all talk about kramer having sex but stopping before he came and said "i'd had enough, that was good and I wanted to to go sleep." same concept only actually true, and about fapping not sex.

But thank you for the image link none the less

>>1298

maybe you don't get blue balls because you have low testosterone already, have you had your levels tested? Arousal is one of our most basic instincts, being able to stop fapping and feel no need to finish is akin to having a big angry you shouting at you and not feeling any fight or flight response.

>>1299

I didnt say I dont feel the need to finish. I said I've never had physical pain associated with it.

Meaning, you have that voice screaming to finish in your head and your dick tingles like no tomorrow begging to finish. But if I control it and stop, theres no pain in my nuts afterwards.

And no, never been tested, but like I said, low levels run in my family. So frankly, I wouldn't doubt it. Hence why I asked here bout the test level part of all this.

But fuck it, I'll try the whole damn kit and kaboodle this week, no porn no touching, and see what happens. I might as well, like I said, I know HOW to control myself, and theres no pain associated with any of it, just lack of desire.

But if >>1295 's hypothesis (the image) is right, its the whole thing thats a problem for test levels, not just orgasms. Which I guess if tahts the trophy I'm after, I'll have to deal with stopping the whole thing together

Fucking sucks though, I LIKE tits..

>>1300

I didn't mean physical pain when I said blue balls, I don't really get that either, it's just an intense desire, it's like really needing to piss and there are no toilets around and if you keep looking at porn the desire grows and grows.

>>1302

Desire yes. Intense desire to grab some bitch and fuck her brains out and blow a massive load inside of… thats pretty much what runs through your head when you try to stop fapping that close… but it doesnt hurt, its just will power