Rick Beato -How Computers Ruined Rock Music

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Rick Beato -How Computers Ruined Rock Music Gastarbeiter 04/23/19 (Tue) 06:58:29 No.100450

What does /mu/ think of this? I usually think that everyone who says "Modern music is trash music was better before 2000!" are complete fucking faggots. But Rick Beato seems to provide the most compelling argument to support this notion without resorting to appeal to tradition fallacies or talking complete nonsense like arguing over the differences in timbre like most other Jewtubers do.

>Abstract

Rock music and possibly other genres suck now because computer software in the pop music production industry allows producers to record the drum, bass, and guitar and chorus separately to save money. This changes the entire dynamic of the recording process in a bad way because it allows producer to "polish" the beats per minute of a song to a rigid "grid" system. Why is this bad? Rick argues this butchers or even removes the rhythm of the song and makes it less like a continuous flow of instrumentation and more like an over-glorified metronome. In the pre-DAW era BPM of the average rock song varied throughout the song, it was not uncommon for BPM to drift as much as 10 beats per minute. He argues this is better for the overall sound because aside from forcing bands to actually record in the same fucking room as eachother, the performers themselves react to eachother and this is believed to be additive to the overall rhythm of the song.

Gastarbeiter 04/24/19 (Wed) 04:30:12 No.100474

>>100450

Quantizing is gay, good producers try to simulate feel by putting their samples ahead/behind the click. That said, alternative rock was dogshit with or without feel. I think it really just left a bad taste in everyone's mouth due to it's shit style and aesthetic, rock was about fucking and doing badass shit and alternative offered none of that, just annoying faggotry where all the singers sounded like they were doing a shitty Eddie Vedder impression.

It'd be like making watered down death metal with lyrics about how everything is good, it's okay to feel sad, and the miracle of life. There's no point, it would be hollow with no meaning, why the fuck would anyone listen to that unless it was a comedy album?

Gastarbeiter 04/24/19 (Wed) 08:14:32 No.100477

>>100474

>rock was about fucking and doing badass shit and alternative offered none of that

Rick put it best when he said rock is supposed to make you move in some way. Its not just about being edgy and badass, that's not what separates rock from pop, what separates rock from pop is all about the power to move people. Pop is just meant to be background noise at a supermarket in comparison. Alt Rock basically killed it by trying to be the "anti-rock" if that makes sense because a bunch of faggots got together and figured they were too cool for the kind of shit actual rock is known for.

Gastarbeiter 04/24/19 (Wed) 13:55:09 No.100482

>>100450

>music is shit because it keeps the beat

wow he's right. I also think the detuning of certain stringed instruments or percussion instruments during a recording are lacking in modern music therefore making it trash. We need computers to start emulating badness in order to make goodness good again.

Gastarbeiter 04/24/19 (Wed) 19:35:16 No.100487

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>>100482

Spoken like a true rhythmlet. Nobody on the planet plays exactly on top of the metronome. In many genres it's on purpose. Neck it, faggot boy.

Gastarbeiter 04/24/19 (Wed) 20:05:50 No.100489

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>>100482

>He thinks vocals are supposed to keep the beat

>He thinks instruments meant to accompany vocals are meant to stay exactly to the beat and not to the vocals

>He thinks instruments with heavy sustain are meant to keep exactly to a beat

At that point its just a fancy sounding metronome

Gastarbeiter 04/24/19 (Wed) 22:06:59 No.100494

>>100487

>>100489

>some fag tells you the difference between 90bpm and 95bpm is noticeable over 40 seconds

>this is the explanation for why rock died

Yep totally.

Gastarbeiter 04/25/19 (Thu) 00:52:09 No.100495

>>100494

>missing the point this badly

Gastarbeiter 04/26/19 (Fri) 19:02:51 No.100535

industrial wouldn't exist without computers so I don't actually have a reason to hate them only for the fact they will be useful for tearing down technology come Year Zero.

Gastarbeiter 04/27/19 (Sat) 01:39:50 No.100556

I don't think I care about quantizing as much as I do the emphasis on hi-fi recording itself. I'd honestly much rather have producers running recordings through wax cylinders than have to listen to the sterile production jobs you hear in today's radio music.

>>100474

I like some of the older alt rock acts, but I hate the pretentious attitudes that the musicians have tended to have. Whether it's their "socially conscious" fart-huffing or guys like Kim Thayil trying to disassociate their bands from heavy metal in the grunge episode of Metal Evolution, they're a bunch of faggots.

>>100477

Pop isn't inherently bad. It's just that the public's falling standards have allowed pop musicians to keep feeding their bowel movements to the world without any objection.

Gastarbeiter 04/27/19 (Sat) 04:34:40 No.100557

>>100556

I don't think the public ever had standards. Unless you mean the shallow, "back in my day we had *insert dogshit pop act* and it was SO much better" types. You could probably replace all radio stations with differently flavoured metal subgenres and only face minor outcry. In a year or so the NPCs would be hooked on death metal and listen to everything except power and sludge. Probably not, but would Beyonce's music get 6 trillion views on YouTube and sell 25 million copies if it wasn't plastered on the radio, TV, and every store in the U.S? I just don't think it's organic, is all.

Gastarbeiter 04/27/19 (Sat) 06:27:48 No.100564

>>100557

>but would Beyonce's music get 6 trillion views on YouTube and sell 25 million copies if it wasn't plastered on the radio, TV, and every store in the U.S? I just don't think it's organic, is all.

90 percent of those views are bots. Same with every other Vevo video.

Gastarbeiter 04/27/19 (Sat) 09:07:36 No.100565

>>100564

>90 percent of those views are bots

or young girls. My 14 year old niece watches music videos repeatedly again and again, almost like a form of auto-hypnosis. And the world has a lot of young girls

Gastarbeiter 04/27/19 (Sat) 16:06:58 No.100568

>>100557

I think it's both. It's clearly manufactured, but normalfags hardly criticize radio music unless they're older and remember when things weren't as bad. There are tons who will gladly eat up the manure fed to them and ask for a second helping.

Gastarbeiter 04/27/19 (Sat) 23:12:11 No.100572

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>>100556

>Pop isn't inherently bad. It's just that the public's falling standards have allowed pop musicians to keep feeding their bowel movements to the world without any objection.

I never said pop was inherently bad, just that its goals are different then traditional rock or hell even contemporary dance music. Pop is something to fill the silence and monotony of a car ride or a store or a workplace with some catchy earworms and a variety of sounds to keep the listener from getting listening fatigue. Modern pop is basically Musak but with more variety and some actual artists with names. Rock on the other hand is meant to give you energy, it can be a call to dance or a call to activism or hell even something to just scream at you about how shit (or great) your life is or can be. That's the difference, the energy. That doesn't make pop bad necessarily, its just comparing ales and oranges, they're different. At least they were before a bunch of alternative faggots tried taking rock and going after the pop audience.

Too be honest I blame the rise of modern background music companies for this happening, in the early 2000s new background music companies started partnering with actual record labels and I suspect a lot of failed then-underground rock artists realized it was an easy way of getting money toning their sound down a little bit and making it more catchy and introducing more pop-like sound and those same artists ended up becoming mainstream

Gastarbeiter 05/01/19 (Wed) 06:03:40 No.100629

>>100557

nah I think a sizeable portion of population would bitch about that.

Gastarbeiter 05/01/19 (Wed) 13:24:42 No.100636

>>100629

If only there was a way to run an experiment.