/loomis/ - Art Gains

>>12101

reference for things you are unfamiliar with and if youa re going for photo realism. you should just practice posing the body and moving arms, legs and doing random gestures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2OU9PQ2KaY

Jim Lee doing cover for Action Comics from start to finish over 5 hour stream. He spends a lot of time explaining the process and showing techniques and other off topic things, but you can skip ahead and watch on 2x speed to get to early parts of laying out his poses before coming back with better lines.

What you can see is how he composes his image and how he starts the basic shapes of bodies and just how much he erases. He probably could have done thumbnails or other things beforehand, but he was streaming and just did it all on the bristol board.

This applies to more than comics, obviously. For example, you should be able to look at a car and draw it in a completely different position. The proportions are relative to tire size usually and rarely change.

If all you do is reference, you'll never be able to work with different perspectives or angles or play with proportions. Foreshortening is a big one that is difficult to find proper references for. You'll spend more time looking for references than actually drawing or change original intentions to match the references.

If you need a reference, get one. But challenge yourself not to use the exact pose. I'm doing work on the Knights Templar and Crusades right now. I collected countless references, of which these are only a few pictures. I have pages of helmets, swords, various orders of knights, cities, architecture, and so on. I look at them to confirm the types of clothing or how the gear looked while drawing pages of different orientations and action poses. I've cribbed stuff from Knightfall tv show, but I dont have exact angles and poses of people when I draw them, despite heavily referencing at the same time.

Sadly, a lot of art you see today is actually traced or photobashed, so maybe I'm the one that is wrong. Comics, manga, digital "painting", concept art, etc are filled with frauds that couldnt draw a straight line without tracing it. You are trying to draw one pose/image. You should study an object and draw it from every angle over and over until you understand it. Not just humans, but birds, bears, cats, dogs, tables, chairs, etc. Reference is for that - referencing details and making sure you are accurate in those details. You are either tracing or simply transposing. There's skill to it, but it's not what referencing is supposed to be nor should it be referred to as such. It just makes people feel better to say they 'reference' instead of copy/trace.

>>12121

>There's not even a muscle grouping thing, it's just one massive mass of shit

wow this is fucking not useful at all

lets get back into it.

>>12150

is bottom left jerking off?

>>12152

i dont think you have to study anatomy in the sense of knowing every muscle group and bone and drawing them individually over and over. focusing on gestures and basic construction of the body is first step in my opinion. just an understanding of basic proportions of the body and movement ranges of limbs. when you have solid grasp of that, you can focus on some key muscles and how they are depicted and change with movement - knowing every muscle in the arm and drawing each doesnt really do anything if you dont understand how they move. gestures are about capturing movement and are more important in my eyes.

youll learn more doing things like guy above you than drawing every msucle fiber and tendon in a tricep starting out. this hand series is not technically anatomy drawing - theres no muscle at all depicted or other definition. its all about how the hand and wrist work. that would be the next step after gestures if I was teaching. if you understand how something moves, you can draw it from any angle and in any perspective. you can manipulate it for style and preference (blocky characters, manga/comics, abstract or fisheye perspective, etc). take the scythe and spear user images - if I want warcraft bulky shoulders and size, its not much more work to exaggerate that. if I want super deformed, same thing. i know how they move and motions and can go in any direction from that, whether cartoony or realistic.

some might say this is anatomy, too, but, to me, i dont see any reason for skeletons or muscle studies in anatomy until you understand breaking the body into shapes and being able to move those shapes in different poses.

did a muscle thing using sketchfab, much better than with biodigital

>>12179

continuing this trend, drew more muscle, also listened to what >>12181 said, though i turned the layer off so u can't see it, think it looks a lil better

Took a stab at figure drawing. I recognized a few mistakes I made, which ultimately made the finished thing look more like an alien. Hopefully I didn't miss any other obvious issues. I am going to try and commit to at least one drawing every other day. I can post them here for critique if that's okay of course

Still not finished (needs shading and all that), How does the color scheme look? I've been kinda having a hard time with color schemes lately.

Also resizing fucked the quality a little bit

>>12243

geb oud a bencil andd draw on sum paper :DDDDD

>>12243

You'll want to set aside some money for at least 4 x Rotring 800 mechanical pencils with Pentel Ainstein leads for each - HB, 2B, 4B and 4H are good range for this. You'll need a set of french curves, circle and ellipses guides, a t-square, kneaded eraser, a staedtler clutch pen/lead holder and some 2 mm leads to go in it, a staedtler 2mm sharpener, sandpaper, a tombow 2.3mm eraser pen, an eraser shield, q-tips, eraser brush, pads of strathmore 500 bristol pad, set of charcoal pencils, staedtler finer liners (0.1, 0.3, 0.5, 0.7 and a brush pen is a good range), set of triangles, architect's ruler, protractor, artist tape, xacto knife, set of copic markers (or alcohol markers if too cheap to buy copics), staedtler water colors, staedtler triangular color pencils, colorless blender, non-photo blue pencil leads or pencils, large printer/scanner (capable of printing onto up to at least 11 x 17" bristol), a wacom cintiq pen display tablet (huion if too cheap to buy good stuff), photoshop license, clip studio paint license, various paint brushes, various gauche, an inclined artist table/desk, and some welbutrin or zoloft.

these are just minimum requirements for starting obviously.

>>12255

I did a couple more figures, I like how the first one turned out much better. The most glaring issue to me, for both of them, is that the head and shoulders are off. But I'm not quite sure exactly what is "off"

Anyone have any tips on how to draw from imagination? I find it difficult to draw anything with foreshortening or difficult angles but I can manage pretty mundane poses. Also does anyone have a recommended book / tutorial for drawing cloth/clothes?

>>12258

Did another one today. I made notes of the mistakes that I could recognize. I'm also noting that the head is too small, now that I'm taking a second look at it. If someone sees another glaring mistake that I missed, please let me know.

Tried doing some more body stuff, I think i'm getting kinda better maybe?

>>12269

you are drawing noodle people and then pointing out anatomy and proportion issues. either focus on gestures to get feel for lines of motion or look up how to break the body down into simple shapes and set up some lines for head heights so you can get a proper framework. your not learnign anything. you are pointing out flaws, but ignoring that the entire thing is basically wrong, from proportions to head size to curves and anything else - you could point to any part on that drawing and say there's something wrong. this isnt meant to be mean or make you stop drawing. just slow down and get some fundamentals down first before trying to be an anatomy expert on this level of art.

>>12272

okay so I took another stab at it, but tried to focus more on the lines this time. I feel like the two in the bottom right corner, and the one in the top left corner are steps in the right direction.

how dis

Long time lurker here. Finally got a tablet and looking for critique. Don't go easy on it.

Am at square one and thought I'd try drawing something simple and cute to see where I am before I do anything else.

>>12383

although I'm not sure if it's because of the angle your boots are at, but your legs are a bit too long, always remember that the waist is going act as your center point therefore think of it like; "as above, so below"

sorry if I'm a bit late