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We're All Gonna Make It Bruh

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 No.417

As a beginner in particular I just noticed that I'm kind of ripping myself off by using "artist's materials". Why should I bother buying pads of newsprint paper I'm going to throw away or premium pencils when standard printer paper and #2 pencils are a dime a dozen and perform nearly as well?

>cheapest pad of "artist's" newsprint paper I could find (9x12in. dimensions)


$3.75~+ per pad of 50 sheets

>ream of computer paper (8 1/2 x 11in. dimensions)


$10.00~ for 1500 sheets

By all means if you're a prolific, talented artist use the kinds of materials that the field demands, but if you're just drilling fundamentals then what the hell are you or I spending so much money on this stuff for? Artists getting ripped off extends all the way to the top within the educational system, too.

A career in art is among the most risky paths to take, yet art schools are among the most cost prohibitive. Why would someone spend $20-30,000+ per year on art school with all of the inherent danger involved? Shouldn't most of us just try and succeed or fail on our own merits all things considered?

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/05/15/10-college-majors-with-the-highest-unemployment-rates-infograph/

>all art related majors well under the employment rate of majors with " 9. Area Ethnic and Civilization Studies"


http://vimeo.com/57349573#t=2316s

Why does it have to be like this?

 No.420

I totally agree with you. I stupidly spent 20 euro for a quality paper sketchbook and it's been sitting on my shelf ever since because I'm too afraid of ruining it with my shitty drawings.

 No.423

>>420
>>420
>420
BLAZE IT, FAGGOT!

…but I digress. 20 euros goddamn that's way more expensive than any of the premium papers I'm seeing at my local store (but I'm probably just not looking hard enough). Anyway man at least you have some archival-quality portfolio-tier paper for your glorious future career in art.

 No.424

>tfw just bought a ream of 500 sheets of plain white paper from a store down the hall for 7 bucks

>tfw the newsprint I have is objectively worse in pretty much every way


I will never be rused like this again

 No.426

I just paid thirty bucks for a drawing tablet from amazon and got paint-tool sai.

Infinite drawing material as far as I'm concerned.

 No.427

>>426
Making accurate marks with an expensive tablet is pretty difficult, with a cheap one even more so. I wish you luck, friend. In the interest of accruing mileage and building that mental library I personally think you're better served with physical media. I'm interested to see how it turns out for you though.

 No.428

>>427

Honestly, it was kinda hard at first, but you get used to it.

It's like my dad taught me; "It's not the tool, it's the artist."

 No.444

Having been using computer paper since making this thread I will say that having a "pad" is kind of nice, even if it is 10 times more expensive. Drawing on a single sheet of paper can be kind of bogus as I've been doing at work. My desk has some scratches and nubs on it at times that trip me up.

Of course, this can be alleviated by simply using more sheets as padding, but that is a bit cumbersome. In the end it does seem like a no brainer though, especially if you have a very smooth table free of chips, indentations, divots, crumbs etc. Use computer paper, nigga, and spend the money you'd otherwise dump into newsprint onto pencils and pens and shit.

 No.988

For anyone interested, Adobe is giving away Photoshop Cs2 for free.

Adobe Photoshop CS2 Legacy Free

http://www.techspot.com/downloads/3689-adobe-photoshop-cs2.html

On the same page you have the serial


 No.989

>>988

I'll add it to the resource hub. Vanilla photoshop is a fantastic art program in its own right and this older version would likely be great for people with less than spectacular computers as well in lieu of Krita which is a huge resource hog and buggy as all get out.

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 No.992

Don't be cheap, fool. Printer paper and hb pencils are fine for learning perspective, cranking out gestures, or basic form drawings. But if you don't do the things that require big paper, like lifedrawing, still lifes, you're handicapping yourself once you're at intermediate level.

Secondly, use dickblick. Already found newsprint 100 sheets for 3 dollars http://www.dickblick.com/products/canson-biggie-recycled-newsprint/ at your size. But you'll want to go to at least 14x17 anyways because that's what newsprint is good for, it's cheap so you don't get ripped off for using big sheets.

You should learn to appreciate the different thicknesses of pencils. Different texture and ease of adding value all have to do with the paper/pencils you use.

>but if you're just drilling fundamentals

you won't be drilling fundamentals forever. For example, lifedrawing is not just drilling fundamentals. It's gaining experience in drawing as well as studying the human form.

>why would someone spend a shit ton of money on art school

because the amount of time it takes to learn to create art is substantial. With college being such a norm in society, might as well go to an institution that supports one's goals, rather than getting a degree in something one doesn't even care for.

>why art students suffer high unemployment

a majority of art students are fuckheads and choose their majors arbitrarily like everybody else. It's just that in the art field with no direction you will not find a job, while in other careers it's a lot more obvious; get a degree in accounting, be an accountant. get a degree in math, be a mathematician. get a degree in art, be an….artist? What does that mean?

Granted even people with direction will fail, for whatever reason. Trying to do it all by yourself is a terrible idea. Ateliers/education are incredibly useful.


 No.993

>>992

>Granted even people with direction will fail, for whatever reason. Trying to do it all by yourself is a terrible idea. Ateliers/education are incredibly useful.

Oh I agree with that, I just mean the formal education degree route probably isn't for you unless you manage to get into a place like Calarts.

Ateliers are fantastic and even online courses are good.


 No.1110

>>988

ffffuck either I'm retarded or the serial number on this is dead


 No.1111

>>1110

That one is fugged and didn't work for me either. This one did though.

http://www.techspot.com/downloads/3689-adobe-photoshop-cs2.html




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