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WARNING! Free Speech Zone - all local trashcans will be targeted for destruction by Antifa.

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 No.95885

How do ancaps deal with economic globalization or free trade taking jobs away? or do you not deal with it?

 No.95888

File: 12ea0e62fab2041⋯.jpg (89.96 KB, 700x1083, 700:1083, 3e19de9c5d5a2aa06c18b9be84….jpg)

Do I want to have to pay $100 for a shirt and get paid $5 salary at my job at a sweatshop OR do I want to pay $5 for a shirt made by robots or niggers in Africa, while I do more important labour, get paid more, and spend my money on more important things?

If the whole country is working in sweatshops, who's going to be researching genetically modified catgirls?


 No.95896

Free trade doesn't take jobs away, it creates them due to comparative advantage.


 No.95897

>>95885

let the strongest survive


 No.95900

>>95885

Jobs are not a scarce resource you mine for. They're paid tasks assigned to people when resources exist. Shuffling jobs around to reduce costs leaves more space for other jobs to be assigned. The poorer and more primitive a society, the higher total number of jobs there will be. That doesn't mean better social conditions.

Secondly, you don't want to base your entire economy on counting corporate job offers. As big and influential the top corporations are, they still don't make the majority of the world economy. What you also have to take into account is how well entrepreneurship and private business is doing. A world where everyone only ever looks for "a job" is close to a soft slavery over primitives who are incapable of any kind of original thought and risk taking, but very proficient at obeying tasks.


 No.95907

>>95900

>A world where everyone only ever looks for "a job" is close to a soft slavery over primitives who are incapable of any kind of original thought and risk taking, but very proficient at obeying tasks.

This. In ancap I won't even want to work. I just want to live on my comfy farm and go fishing all day.


 No.95924

>>95888

>>95896

>>95900

>>95897

This only works if you're able to market your catgirl in the country that just took your sweatshop job. If that foreign country takes your sweatshop job, blocks you from selling your catgirl in it, and steals your catgirl blueprints to bootleg their own, then the entire concept falls apart.

And this is what actually happens you pathetic lolbertfaggian retards.

China is taking your factory jobs and blocking American products and services from entering it, while at the same time stealing American patents.


 No.95926

File: ce839fb0c9f7f52⋯.jpg (56.27 KB, 621x702, 23:26, vO7lRZ7.jpg)

>>95924

>lolbertfaggian

You realize if China blocks the products then the following will happen

1. The companies will move out of China back to ancapistan (which would be terrible for China)

2. New companies will open in ancapistan that manufacture catgirls


 No.95966

>>95924

>China blocks you from selling your catgirl in it

This does not come at no penalty to China.

If (you) are the manufacturer with the most optimal production process, alternative options will be considered by catgirl consumers in China. The one that is most commonly used is using a legal loophole to sell catgirls in China anyways, much as legal loopholes are used to sell Chinese goods as Made in (Not China) goods elsewhere. Second, catgirl consumers may seek other suppliers who produce catgirls at a higher price, or lower quality for the same price. Thirdly, there may emerge a black market for catgirls. Barring these measures, catgirl consumers potentially experience a shortage. Furthermore, any industries in China that rely on catgirls as an intermediate good will be affected. Overall there is a net societal loss, as clearly evidenced by the shitty state of everything in China. (Of course this is of no concern to a highly corrupt, centralized authoritarian government that has no concern for its people, but if it makes you feel any better, you're not the only person suffering. Also, the more government interference there is, the higher the probability of ancap rebellion).

>China bootlegs your patents

IP is a meme and there have developed massive market distortions over the concept that ideas can be property.

>B-b-but who will invent the things?

It may surprise you to hear this, but companies actually pay people (outside of the company) to develop open-source software.

https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Without_Intellectual_Property#Computer_software

Also, China being anywhere near as powerful as the USA is a meme; the reality is that it is a third world dictatorial shithole LARPing as a first-world country.

Go back to /pol/ and try again.


 No.95968

>>95885

>>95885

1. Russia bans EU cheese

2. Russian milk plants start producing tasteless resin with holes priced the same or above as, you know, cheese, not yellow-coloured palm oil product. Because what else you gonna do, buy a banned product on the black market?

3. Russians happily buy natural oil processing waste for cheese

Oh wait, they don't, now they have a problem of cheese smuggling from Finland and Estonia. Cheese smugglers for fucks sake.

They also banned European shrimps. Mysteriously Belarus, a country with no sea access, started exporting "farm grown shrimps I swear to you" to Russia, about the same as Norwegian ones, hmmm.

>but muh jobs

Nobody ever gave a shit before, barely anyone does still. People want cheese, they don't care about unknown people somewhere somewhen maybe loosing the jobs they were horrible at anyway. If anything, some people now actively despise companies lobbing for, oh for fucks sake, banning cheese, same for their workers.

And don't get me started on Omsk Cheese Plant workers caught bathing naked in curd to be processed into cheese. There is a good reason Russian cheese-like products die horribly at the slightest whiff of competition.

Extrapolate on anything protectionist anywhere.


 No.95969

>>95924

stealing should meet with repercussions


 No.95975

>>95924

>If X, and if Y and if Z, then the entire concept falls apart

Too many ifs for my taste. If that country is so proficient at stealing and copying, why even live.

Stealing and blocking are costly too. You have to spend resources to steal 'blueprints' and copy the production method, which comes into the ultimate price. While the competitor usually can provide a newer better product, because the resources not spent in stealing could be spent in R&D.

And then you forever play catch-up, like the USSR did with 10-15 years lag, or China does now. Selling inferior product for the price of a better one is not a viable strategy in the long run even with state violence preventing free choice, because violence has its costs and must be maintained.


 No.95979

>a job is good/productive just by existing

>trade is a zero-sum game


 No.95986

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>>95968

>tfw I actually live in Omsk

>tfw we eat processed cheese every day

Well, thanks for remembering about us, at least.


 No.95990

File: ac32f0f2d6b32ab⋯.jpg (1.05 MB, 2048x1536, 4:3, IMG_20190111_002243.jpg)

>>95968

>>95986

Pic related. The world famous Omskian cheese. The cheese everybody wants, but not everybody deserves. The cheese that is so delicious that people bath in it. The cheese that is so good that Putin banned all other cheeses to let us know how good this one is. If it weren't for protectionism, this cheese wouldn't even exist, so I thank our government for their wise policies every day. I can't even imagine how people live in the west eating their shitty dick cheese.


 No.95995

>>95966

>the reality is that it is a third world dictatorial shithole LARPing as a first-world country

Is this the official definition of a second-world country, or is there another?


 No.96147

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>95990

It's just cheap, soft mozzarella. It's bland and tasteless, but at least its made from organic materials.

Try eating colored whey squares like rich decadent westerners.


 No.96152

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>96147

>It's just cheap

not really. For what it's worth, this shit should've cost several times less.

>soft

Its not. Anon's pic related looks like a piece of plastic, not "soft" "mozzarella".

>organic products

Cow turds are surely organic, go on, eat.

>decadent westerners

Nice meme

>colored whey squares

Now that's a projection if i ever see one.

Reminder, vid related is what Olgino shills want you to believe is best for you. Natural, organic and has absolutely no analogs throughout the world.


 No.96157

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>>95924

China only works because of government subsidies and debt spending, you retard. If they weren't giving monopoly money to the US government all the time to pay for those jobs being there, the US would outsource to some other shitty Asian nation and the profits made by your citizens for those foreign companies would either get reinvested in infrastructure in your country or it would get reinvested into the product itself, either case being in your benefit.


 No.96175

>>96152

Why are you mad?


 No.96177

>>95995

Second world meant that they were allied with the Soviet Union. The terms 1st world, 2nd world and 3rd world were created in the cold war to distinguish who stands were with the US or Soviets.


 No.96189

>>96177

They also happened to share common traits. Such as:

1. Rich to decent states with mostly free markets or attempts at free markets.

2. Poor to starving totalitarian shitholes LARPing as decent states with severely controlled markets. The memesource of "Try eating colored whey squares like rich decadent westerners". Because eating Comrade Fuerer's Shit with grass sure makes you based and redpilled.

3. Plain poor shitholes, sometimes starving, no attempts at free markets.

Interestingly enough most prominent members of the 1 world slowly drift into the 2. Oh why would it happen I wonder.




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