/liberty/ - Liberty

>>92565

Keep posting.

>>92594

Bad Mouse still produce videos? I remember when he made libertarian videos before his conversion (about the time I unsubscribed).

>>92560

For all the scare about the USSR I recommend basically anything by Grover furr

>Rest of the infographic

A. Why on earth does Vietnam China and Laos say "Present"?

B. The graphic does not take into account that

Vietnam

Laos

Angola

Mozambique

Afghanistan

Cambodia

Ethiopia

Etc

Were all subject to decades of US Military and state department backed terror

>>92608

>Ой, съебись нахуй, мразь.

Are you denying the fact that the US goverment literally admits to funding Mujahids in Afghanistan Child Suicide Bombers in Angola and other Horrors?

>Muh Zimbabwe

Abandoned any socialism in the 90s and began a mass introduction of NeoLiberal capitalism into the economy and coupled it with Racial Nationalism

>>92606

>A. Why on earth does Vietnam China and Laos say "Present"?

Because the graphs are much older. Hence the high number for the USSR, most experts put the number between twenty and fourty million. China, meanwhile, is too low, as the Great Leap Forward was not included, as Rudolph Rummel did not know yet that it was not a natural famine.

>B. The graphic does not take into account that

>etc.

>Were all subject to decades of US Military and state department backed terror

Vietnam started its "land reforms" before the US declared war on it, and it was actually the communist north that started the Vietnam War in the first place, by attacking its southern neighbor. And as for Cambodia, I see no relation between "US drops bombs" and "evict everyone from the cities and then kill all the clergy". At this point, we're basically talking about the bad childhood of a serial murderer, not even the poverty of a notorious thief. I do not know enough about the other countries to talk about them, but if you already misrepresented the two most notorious cases so badly, then I don't know why I should look that up.

This is why I don't like talking to you guys. I had a good discussion with a fedora tipper, and one that was at least informative with a Jew who deflected criticism from Israel. But with communists, it's always blanket statements, generalizations when it suits you, pedantry when that suits you, opaque standards of epistemics and of moral responsibility, and so on. I don't even think each and every one of you is a bad person or just too dumb, you just learned from some of the most disingenuous beings this side of the galaxy.

>>92610

>Are you denying the fact that the US goverment literally admits to funding Mujahids in Afghanistan Child Suicide Bombers in Angola and other Horrors?

We don't deny that. Libertarians are some of the biggest advocates of non-interventionism. We do not make excuses if A shoots B just because C incited him to shoot D before that, however. The US bombed Cambodia, it did not force the Khmer Rouge therewith to massacre their population. That the US shares some of the guilt does not make the guilt of the Khmer Rouge (or of assorted regimes) any lower.

>Muh Zimbabwe

>Abandoned any socialism in the 90s and began a mass introduction of NeoLiberal capitalism

Also started a hyperinflation and bulldozed shanty towns, hardly what passes as a genuine free market according to our definition. Concerning definitions, look here: >>92566

>>92606

>Grover furr

There is absolutely such a thing as healthy skepticism of Nation-State Capitalism, and it does have a place in critiquing deeds and misdeeds of 20th century Western nations, but you can slip so deep down this rabbithole (or even willingly jump down it) that you begin to see monsters where none should be found and make heroes out of the devil.

His motive is revealed in his utter denial of the invasion of Poland and refusal to acknowledge any atrocities undertaken by the NKVD- even ones that members have testified to after the fact or contemporaneously!

Perhaps instead of jumping headlong into the snare of partisan academics to fulfill an anti-establishment itch, you should consider being every bit as skeptical about the tyranny you didn't live under as the one that you do.

>>92613

NeoLiberalism is literally inherently capitalistic in Nature and was promoted in the 80s as an Alternative to Keynesian SocialDemocracy and Socialism (Which was at the time seen as the only Alternatie to Keynesianism)

>>92614

>Also started a hyperinflation and bulldozed shanty towns, hardly what passes as a genuine free market according to our definition. Concerning definitions, look here

The Inflation began under the advice of the Capitalist economic advisory invited by Mugabe in the 90s

Same with the demolishing of shanties

Similar to the Capitalist destruction of Russia in the 90s

>>92623

>>92614

The real question about the "Political killingns" shit and a lot of the actual deaths is actually the question of whether it was deserved or not

obviously this is subjective since you two and me have very different ideas of morals in regards to this subject

Khmer Rouge were US backed Reactionaries btw who dropped socialism as their ideology the instant it became distressful to their backers

A socalist Regime (The PRK) Rebuilt most of the damage caused by the KR while fighting the KR all the while

>>92763

>>92767

>the socialism didn't work so we'll just call it capitalism and hope no one notices

Every time.

>>92748

you mean the 3rd one?

>>92763

>The Inflation began under the advice of the Capitalist economic advisory invited by Mugabe in the 90s

>Same with the demolishing of shanties

>Similar to the Capitalist destruction of Russia in the 90s

Once again, you're so vague that I have to do not just my own research but also yours just to figure out what you're on about.

Who were these economic advisors? What were their theories, and why do you think they're capitalist? How are they linked to the hyperinflation? (This link is not obvious; he invited them somewhere in the 90s, but the hyperinflation happened in 2004 and Murambatsvina in 2005.) What do monetary inflation and the destruction of private property have to do with capitalism? If *this* capitalism is so different from *our* capitalism, how is that issue not semantic? How come capitalism is whatever you want it to be?

>>92767

>The real question about the "Political killingns" shit and a lot of the actual deaths is actually the question of whether it was deserved or not

>obviously this is subjective since you two and me have very different ideas of morals in regards to this subject

It isn't. It's objective, and your ideas of morality are objectively wrong. Now, if you're gonna write an apology, go ahead and do it, don't just say "well, maybe it was deserved…" and then deliver nothing.

>Khmer Rouge were US backed Reactionaries

How on earth do the Khmer Rouge pass as reactionary for you?

>btw who dropped socialism as their ideology the instant it became distressful to their backers

It's called inconsistency, and it's something we see all the time in socialists. Nothing special here.

>>92775

Yes, indeed. I made it a few months ago and then posted it here.

>>92772

Of course, it's open historical fact that Marx was booted from the International and that Lenin only entered Russia AFTER the SRs had won, doing so to attack the SRs and implement, in his words, Capitalism.

…but I suppose "Every Credit Union will cause Famines from God" is less appealing than "hey, we sent some guy, now we point at our guy."

>>92811

>omg basic historical fact!

Reality triggers you again, does it?

>>92815

>You do realize that the whole idea is to abolish economic "liberty" or, more precisely, economic irresponsibility?

That's the point of the pic, that the supposedly socialist nations are more liberal than the supposedly capitalist ones, and that the labels are pure propaganda with no basis in reality.

>>92946

> supposedly socialist nations are more liberal than the supposedly capitalist ones

What socialist nations? Sweden?

>>92963

Yeah, liberals call EU countries socialist.

>>92964

> Yeah, liberals call EU countries socialist.

Right. "Communism infopick" thread is for trolling liberals.

Apologies for interruption. I forgot where I am.

>>92594

You think that's bad try watching libertarian socialists videos. The guy looks like a pimply teenager that never passed puberty.

>>93098

Full-on retards are often as funny as they are ugly and disgusting as well. Does anyone have the video of a red fat soylarper spewing threats with shaking hands that cannot hold his airshit AK straight saved?

>>92946

>Scandinavia is Socialist

Read Marx

>>92780

Moralism and Morality in general is subjective and means jack shit when discussing economic and societal systems

Truth is socialism has led to increased standards of living in effectivly every nation that has implemented it from increases in caloric intake to life expectancy to general economic stability

>How is the Khmer Rouge Reactionary

<Literally wanted to revert society to Montargard levels because pol pot thought it looked cool

>>94353

He's not stating that Scandinavia is socialist, retard

>socialism has led to increased standards of living in effectivly every nation that has implemented it from increases in caloric intake

Clearly, you are oblivious to the Kibbutzim

>>94368

>Israel / Kibbutz is / were socialist because it has some collective farms

>>94369

You people claim that Singapore is socialist because it has some subsidized housing, don't see why you're kvetching now.

>>94369

>ownership of the means of production are owned by the workers

pretty much textbook definition of socialism