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 No.88598

<JC Denton: Despite all I’ve read about the Triads, I wasn’t prepared to see them operating in the open, on the streets, and wearing uniforms. Doesn’t the Chinese government care?

>Isaac: The Chinese leave Hong Kong alone. They barricade the roads to control trade to the mainland, but they know how business is done."

<JC Denton: I would think the secret smuggling operations of the Triads would disturb the Chinese government.

>Isaac: Maybe the Luminous Path, but China knows that the Red Arrow are business owners, entrepreneurs, community leaders, and that they protect the city from outside influences.

<JC Denton: You said 'outside influences.' What does China fear?

>Isaac: China is the last sovereign country in the world. Authoritarian but willing - unlike U.N.-governed countries - to give its people the freedom to do what they want.

<JC Denton: As long as they don’t break the law.

>Isaac: Listen to me. This is real freedom, freedom to own property, make a profit, make your life. The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power.

<JC Denton: Our governments have limited power by design.

>Isaac: Rhetoric–and you believe it! Don’t you know where those slogans come from?

<JC Denton: I give up.

>Isaac: Well-paid researchers - how do you say it? - 'think tanks,' funded by big businesses. What is that? A 'think tank'?

<JC Denton: Hardly as sinister as a dictator, like China’s Premier.

>Isaac: It’s privately-funded propaganda. The Trilateral Commission in the United States for instance.

<JC Denton: The separation of powers acknowledges the petty ambitions of individuals; that’s its strength.

>Isaac: A system organized around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce these same qualities in its leaders.

<JC Denton: Perhaps certain qualities are an inseparable part of human nature.

>Isaac: The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones. The same is true of civilization.

 No.88599

>>88598

>The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones

The argument was never "It's natural, therefore correct." That's what the mixed economy crowd would go with.

Behave like an "educated man" and don't gotchapost video game quotes without anything to say yourself. It doesn't take you more than 15 seconds to complete a post. That's 15 seconds you have to suppress your smugness for. Be the change you want, anon.


 No.88600

Deus Ex is leftist propaganda.


 No.88605

>>88598

Thanks, Neptune.


 No.88607

>>88600

Hardly. Maybe you missed a few conversations.


 No.88611

File: 5ad381921a1df30⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 84.18 KB, 800x800, 1:1, 2bbef3e730fa3ec3e017758bba….jpg)


 No.88623

>>88599

>argue that government needs to be limited

>weak government ends up subverted by financial power

>no self-government at all


 No.88626

>>88623

>is afraid of corporate monopolies

>isn't afraid of a totalitarian government monopolizing everything and everyone


 No.88627

>>88623

Are you agreeing or thinking you disagree with me?


 No.88630

Back in IRL land, Hong Kong did massively better under the essentially libertarian rule of the British than China proper was doing.

Regarding "no government", first we would have to get to libertarian (nightwatchman) government, and we are far from that anywhere in the world. Makes for a decent video game I suppose, but hardly a basis for IRL concerns about those "evil corporations" taking over.

If you believe that corporate monopolies have ever been or could ever be a real threat to liberty outside of some company town, you really ought to watch some Tom Woods or Stefan Molyneux vids on the topic, most of the "education" you have gotten about monopolies in government schools is BS.


 No.88633

>>88630

> most of the "education" you have gotten about monopolies in government schools is BS.

It's genuinely funny that the biggest monopolist that currently rules over all other smaller ones is warning you about the inevitability of his own demise.


 No.88642

>>88630

>and we are far from that anywhere in the world

Why do you think that is?


 No.88651

File: 4d7104cd8b84d2f⋯.png (405.52 KB, 600x400, 3:2, ClipboardImage.png)

>>88626

Governments bureaucracies are incompetent and can't actually monopolize everything unless the people give them the power to through "the vote".

>>88630

That's because trade through Hong Kong is being replaced by trade through Shanghai.


 No.88657

>>88651

Hong Kong is closer to Shenzhen though.


 No.88760

Deus Ex is plotted around "What IF every conspiracy you hear on talk radio and tinfoil operated Geocities and Angelfire sites were REAL!?" Its setting entirely reverses stuff like Occam's Razor, Hanlon's Razor, the Peter Principle, and Parkinson's Law of Triviality.

You might as well accept Communist arguments for how the Star Trek United Federation represents the inevitable future when their replicator technology eliminates the problem of scarcity and subverts everything about economics.


 No.88768

>>88760

>their replicator technology eliminates the problem of scarcity and subverts everything about economics.

Not actually true. Even if we pretend replicators are pure magic and take a minimal amount of energy to create whatever you want, you haven't actually eliminated scarcity or the economic system in any reasonable way. You still have scarcity of time and labor, so you have basis for trade. Further, because human demand is unlimited, you can't just say that people will stop desiring more just because their basic needs are satisfied–the US is a prime example of this, quality of life is high enough that hunger has more or less been eliminated, yet people continue to aggressively pursue greater amounts of wealth and success.


 No.88772

>>88598

Strange how few people desire freedom both from government and from oligarchs.

No, left-anarchists. No matter how disorganized, democratic and decentralized your organization is, it still doesn't count as freedom from government when the mob can execute you, with no trial, for wrongthink.


 No.88808

>>88772

Don't worry. They have "class consciousness." There is no wrongthink when all thought is same thought.


 No.89026

>>88657

>Shenzhen on the horrible no freedoms mainland

>increasingly successful

>HK with the special snowflake democratic self-governance

>increasing irrelevant


 No.89070

>>89026

>Shenzhen's growth is sustainable

HK is nearly taken over by the mainland government. It is nothing close freedom wise to what it was.


 No.89077

File: c0fc99ba904bade⋯.jpg (1.14 MB, 2500x2097, 2500:2097, c0fc99ba904bade34cdfba23f0….jpg)


 No.89083

>>88600

Not really. The game only really is negative about the super rich and globalism. It's more like liberal/libertarian.


 No.89091

>>89070

If liberty were so sweet then why did the islanders not fight to preserve it?


 No.89123

>>89091

>why did the islanders not fight to preserve it?

They did and lost. Some went to extremes treating mainlande refugees like invaders and publicly attacking them in mobs before the police can separate them. The hatred against the mainland Government was and is quite real. It's not like Hong Kongers were ever a bunch of radical Libertarians either. Their freedom was a result far more than it was a goal. The people who care about Liberty there are probably as few as there are in any other place in the world.


 No.89124

>>88600

It's against the transfer of power from popular consent to manufactured consent via internationalism, financial hegemony, media corruption, excessive consumerism and the enslavement of people via various indirect means. Eg: access to virus suppressing drugs that are manufactured to suppress viruses that were engineered by the selfsame entities that created the viruses which is subtly symbolises the adverse effects of a usury based (loan capital) economic system upon the proletariat.


 No.89157

>>89124

name one artificially created virus


 No.89158

>>89157

>subtly symbolises

too subtly for your english level it seems.


 No.89187

>>89123

I still remember being on 4chan's /pol/ back when it was a newer board in 2011 and seeing regular "Mainlander Hate" threads from people living in Hong Kong and Macau. They portrayed Han Chinese from the PRC like the most slovenly and subhuman human trash imaginable like some people talk about gypsies or Guatemalan migrants.


 No.89237


 No.89264

>>89237

Stories about them being drunken louts are what I mostly remember. Throwing things at islanders, loudly insulting people who didn't speak a given dialect of Chinese the way they thought it should be spoken (on the mainland), and even shitting on the hoods of police cars.


 No.95306

>>89124

you're a dumbass. Do you even comprehend the economic necessity of interest rates and the loan market or is this too advanced an economic concept for you?


 No.95307

Okay, so instead of globalistic authoritarianism like west, China has nationalistic authoritarianism. So what? The country is free from the shackles of the UN, but the individual isn't free from the chains of the government. All I see here is the fact that the smaller the government (and yes, geographical area is one measure of the size of government), the freer the people. Now secede down to the individual.


 No.95417

File: 41c781e1b7b01de⋯.jpg (882.32 KB, 1425x4413, 475:1471, indonesian on chinese.jpg)

>>89264

Reminds me of that post of the Indonesian guy bitching about the Chinese.


 No.95435

>>95417

holy shit

>sexual jews

>eating cats

this is great


 No.95471

>>95417

>turtle as something derogatory

i like turtles more than humans tbqh


 No.95494

File: 3c0add7e91b8a03⋯.png (286.47 KB, 453x451, 453:451, thats a good one.png)

>>88630

This.

>>95417

Holy shit


 No.95631

>>88600

Conspiracy theories involving "Secret Cliques" like Muh UN Muh Rothschilds etc are fascist by nature


 No.95635

>>95631

Class consciousness, on the other hand, is perfectly sound reasoning and not conspiratorial in the slightest.




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