/liberty/ - Liberty

You don't have any actual argument against civic nationalism. I gave it my best try, knowing no better way to draw out good arguments than sincere engagement, and all I got is that OP is a trash can.

Traditionalism is deathly insane, too.

>>70914

>that wasn't enough

4 U. You are weakness peeling away. Only those that deserve Liberty continue to chase after it. You've fallen off the road.

>>70914

>How can I just say that I have no opinion on mentally ill men dressing up as women and society catering to them by calling them women, except … yeah I'd tolerate that?

Love the sinner, hate the sin. Condemn their degenerate behavior, but also recognize them as human beings that you cannot violently oppress. Of course, that would require a more complex morality than what the state has ingrained into many of us. Healing the world on a moral level is what we need to do if we want to stop the degeneracy. Sounds hard, but keep in mind we're not talking about a radical transformation, merely about sucking out the poison in society. That's doable. We had periods with far more freedom than we have now and which nevertheless were more moral. Obviously, freedom is not the problem, morality is.

>How can I just tolerate it, if the enemy is pushing on it

"The enemy"? Very dramatic. Nice.

>and it seems probably that they would even forcefully transition your own child, if it got the wrong idea and you wouldn't be able to stop it?

Sure you can stop it, if your child is actually a child and not a grownup. In the latter case, you probably did something terribly wrong raising them, or the state indoctrinated them. But if we're talking about a child, then sure, you can kneecap people that try to transition it. And rightly understood, you, too, must be kneecapped if you poison it with hormone pills.

Not sure what the qualifier "forcefully" is supposed to mean. No one is taking your child away from you. Yet. If that ever changed, you can bet we'd have the state to thank for that.

>Or the equality bullshit.

And you solve that through a state how, exactly? Laissez-faire neither creates equality, nor is there any reason to suppose it creates the frantic drive for equality that we have now.

>Liberty: Libertarianism

Then why did you just complain about libertarianism?

>Identity: Identitarian

No idea what exactly you mean by that, so I won't comment on it.

>Tradition: Traditionalism

Yeah, sorry, I'm skeptical. Nothing you said made you sound like a traditionalist to me. In fact, your seeming neglect of the role of spirituality and religion makes you sound more like the opposite.

>>70915

not an argument, fag

>Traditionalism is deathly insane, too.

hyperbole much?

>>70916

>4 U. You are weakness peeling away. Only those that deserve Liberty continue to chase after it. You've fallen off the road.

not an argument, prove that I have fallen off the road

>>70919

>but also recognize them as human beings that you cannot violently oppress.

Yeah, please fuck right off.

I HATE when people, when they talk about these topic s always start with "but I wouldn't like stop them from being together or do what they want to do".

NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT EXTERMINATING THEM!

>"The enemy"? Very dramatic. Nice.

Yes, my friend. I believe in something greater than myself. Social Marxists don't even believe in truth. They are together with Corporatists and the Elite the enemy.

>if your child is actually a child

wew

>Sure you can stop it

not for long

>In the latter case, you probably did something terribly wrong raising them

Some people, especially cuckservatives seem to believe that, but I think in some cases they weren't simply raised long, but have a mental disease or even a genetic predisposition.

>But if we're talking about a child, then sure, you can kneecap people that try to transition it.

YES RIGHT NOW. BUT NOT FOR LONG.

Look at Canada and children under foster parents. The leglislation is already there, it just needs to be extended.

>And you solve that through a state how, exactly?

Well this will probably be tackled later than the multiculti bullshit, so if it will be tackled in my lifetime, it will only be done so in maybe like the latter half of this century? I doubt this is a fight for me. But who knows, maybe the turmoils of the revolution will allow us to push for that too.

>Then why did you just complain about libertarianism?

It was only real in your mind, my friend. Where did I complain about that?

>No idea what exactly you mean by that, so I won't comment on it.

It means that racial identity is real, exists, is a biological reality and should be taken into consideration in the realm of politics.

After that it's only a small step to accept the fact that a homogenous country is a better form of organizing human beings than a mulitcultural one.

>Yeah, sorry, I'm skeptical. Nothing you said made you sound like a traditionalist to me. In fact, your seeming neglect of the role of spirituality and religion makes you sound more like the opposite.

If you believe stuff like transsexuals are mentally ill, then you are a traditionalist basically. Or that women and men are not equal and are biologically different and that gender roles are a conseqeuence of that.

Or that woman without having kids in most cases literally go insane after the age of ~40 and become quite fucked in the head.

I believe in something greater than myself, which is why I am also an Identitarian.

I really suggest you join us.

>>70920

>not an argument, fag

You didn't make any either. You can't argue with assertions.

>>70931

So why don't you just agree with me? I have told you what my beliefs are.

>>70940

>He literally quoted LIT

>still accuses me of not being libertarian

> Traditionalism isn't really the best path to go with, I think it's best to actually analyze certain traditions in regards to one's society and deciding for oneself whether such guidelines are logical or beneficial in any real honest light.

Women being mothers will always be logical. You can talk about gender equality all you want, but only women are able to birth children and be mothers and frankly from the data I have seen they literally go insane, if they are being denied that traditional role.

>>70914

>I am LIT

What's the difference with libertarian fascism?

>>70965

If you call yourself a fascist, you are a larper.

>>70914

nationalism is for cuck cattle

>>70968

How about you break the NAP by raping my dick?

>>70970

how old are you?

>>70973

23

>>70915

>no better way to draw out good arguments than sincere engagement

>Traditionalism is deathly insane. [no arguments]

>>70977

too old

>>71002

too old for what?

>>71003

for my liking

>>71004

Anon, I am straight.

>>70957

> still accuses me of not being Libertarian

But I didn't say that, did you not say that the label of "libertarian" was just not enough?

>Women being mothers will always be logical. You can talk about gender equality all you want, but only women are able to birth children and be mothers and frankly from the data I have seen they literally go insane, if they are being denied that traditional role.

There's a lot more to traditionalism then just basic attitudes towards sexuality.

>>71011

> But I didn't say that, did you not say that the label of "libertarian" was just not enough?

Yes, because there are libertarians I don't want to be thrown into the same camp with.

There are also many libertarians, who really seem to care an awful lot about drugs and seemingly not much else.

> There's a lot more to traditionalism then just basic attitudes towards sexuality.

Yes and I think some paternalism in a culture would do it some good.

>>71041

define stright

>>71043

having no sexual reaction to same sex

>>71015

>Yes, because there are libertarians I don't want to be thrown into the same camp with.

Well that's why I said earlier that you're just stating your subjective preferences in life as opposed to in economic matters. I don't like a good number of people who call themselves "libertarians" either, but that doesn't mean I disagree with them.

>Yes and I think some paternalism in a culture would do it some good

That just breeds stupidity.

>>70914

Cool beans, go study economics or philosophy with some ethics or theology on the side and get back to us in about 2-3 years when you graduate high school, OP.

>>71054

Sadly, this.

>>71041

>>71045

I once though I was a bit bisexual, but honestly I decided for myself I am never ever going to act on it, because I cannot breed with boys.

I want to only go into a relationship I would also be in a longterm relationship with and being able to have kids is a hard requirement.

Also all the bisexual feelings disappeared after I quit porn. I don't even like anal anymore.

>>71051

> Well that's why I said earlier that you're just stating your subjective preferences in life as opposed to in economic matters. I don't like a good number of people who call themselves "libertarians" either, but that doesn't mean I disagree with them.

Well depends. I don't think that the 100% libertarian blueprint is good in all situations ever. Let's be honest, we won't achieve pure libertarianism in our lifetime. Our lifetime is a struggle against multiculturalism and corrupt Elites.

> That just breeds stupidity.

No, it does the opposite. If we can't get rid of welfare and other social services, we should give them a paternalistic logic.

>>71054

no arguments, faggot

>>71061

Ah so you're not really a Libertarian then, you're essentially just a borderline centrist. In that case, call yourself "LIT" as much as you want, I doubt you'll find many others who'll carry that shitty banner of yours with you but go on ahead.

>>71065

You fail to understand me, which is not surprising. There is more nuance to politics than just answering every single political question with "we will establish anarcho-capitalism".

>>71060

why do you want to have kids?

>>71132

I wanted to have kids or knew I would want them at a certain point in my life, since I was 15.

That was always clear to me. I thought it was silly for a young person to be like "Oh yeah I am absolutely certain I am never going to want or have kids. Fuck that".

My reasons for having kids:

>best way to achieve a kind of immortality

>every single one of my ancestors managed to procreate and I am supposed to be the odd one out?

>I like the idea of a family life with a wife and kids

>I like the idea of a traditional family life with the wife submitting to me and the family being a support for my career, instead of like it happens so many times a source of negativity and stress

>I want to leave something behind in the world and I want to leave enough behind that in 1000 years ever German is related to me

>I want to kiss the pregnant belly of my wife, hold her hand and be extra caring and protective of her during pregnancy so much that she loves me even more

>>70914

>being an identitarian

You're no better then the soybois on the Left.

People who think that transsexuals as such are mentally ill are mistaken, but you only get a caring card if you notice they tend to be utterly miserable.

>>71146

>wife submitting to me

>family being a support for my career

>achieve a kind of immortality

>in 1000 years ever German is related to me

Oh, I get it! You're not a libertarian identitarian traditionalist, you're a narcissist!

You want freedom because you can't into the established power structures, identitarianism because you want discriminating against others on grounds of race to be socially acceptable and traditionalism because you want to use your wife and family as a means to aggrandize yourself.

Which is sad considering a healthy phisosophical discussion can be had about any of the three pillars of your ideology, but you are probably not the man to have it with.

>>71146

>best way to achieve a kind of immortality

0/10

>breeding like a bacteria

>not perpetuating by art/science/philosophy

you are not ambitious, are you?

>>71149

But the jews are totally allowed to be extremely and radically identitarian?

>>71151

How is cutting your own dick off and making it a sad imitation of the female vagina not a mental illness???

>>71167

>Oh, I get it! You're not a libertarian identitarian traditionalist, you're a narcissist!

based pyschology anon

> identitarianism because you want discriminating against others on grounds of race to be socially acceptable

>uses discrimination as something bad

>calls himself libertarian

>you want to use your wife and family as a means to aggrandize yourself.

based pyschology anon

>>71168

>breeder

homosexual detected