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 No.67126

Thoughts on Lauren's latest video?

 No.67127

forgot my flag


 No.67128

It's gary johnson's fault tbh


 No.67129

>libertarian party isn't libertarian

yep.


 No.67130

The story of the libertarian party is a sad one, which reminds you that political parties change too easily and only stick to their values as long as it is convenient. Attempts to get more democrats on the libertarian ticket lead to the nomination of Gary Johnson and that lead to the actual libertarians leaving. Political parties are a mistake, we've seen it with every political party out there.


 No.67131

>>67130

>muh corporations

>muh Raisin Magazines define libertarianism

>muh free trade only works if everyone does it and isn't a domino effect

>muh all libertarians care about is efficiency

>muh you can't be a CSA sympathizer and libertarian

>6:55

I can't take any more of this smug bitch. Will this cunt shut the fuck up? She's swimming in her own ego unable to comprehend how people might not hold the same opinions (or even the same reasons) but can still bind together to become a mighty faggot.


 No.67132

>>67131

Did Lauren Southern ever go against Julie Burrowski?


 No.67136

File: 40e68f198338170⋯.png (82.63 KB, 204x247, 204:247, LOL.png)


 No.67142

she a right SJW


 No.67143

>>67130

I heard it was bad back in the day because Samuel Konkin and Rothbard left because Koch co-opted it or something?


 No.67168

>>67126

i wish i had teeth so white ehh


 No.67193

File: 80af1886100e143⋯.gif (154.96 KB, 800x496, 50:31, unt8t1.gif)

As a non-burger, non-leaf I don't actually understand how Lauren was ever considered a libertarian. Anyway, let's get to her shitty points.

The first mistake she makes is instantly associating libertarianism (and it's "movement") with the libertarian party, something which I don't blame her for doing, since for any statist mindset like hers, ideologies are necessarily associated with political parties. The support for the libertarian party is Rothbard's worst mistake by far, as he did not understand, like Lauren, that the political route only makes sense in a short term strategy, and that the reduction of the size of the state will never happen, because the nature (or the incentive structures, if you will) of the beast is to ever expand itself. Minarchism is unethical, unsustainable and useless as a strategy. More faith in the state WILL NEVER mean a smaller state.

Her second mistake is not understanding libertarianism. Libertarianism is a theory about the law, it's about an ethical juridical system that dictates human action (which actions should be allowed or not). There's not such thing as "pure" libertarianism. You either subscribe to the idea that private property is the only rational way to solve conflicts, or not. To say that this system is not possible right now, and therefore we must continue to sustain the very same unethical system that hurts private property, is nothing but an utilitarian fallacy to throw ethics out of the window for the sake of convenience.

>hurr only Kim Jon Un believes any economic freedom is bad

Wrong. Most people in the world believe that the state should control the economy. That should be reason enough for you to stop supporting democracy or the state altogether, but that's beside the point.

The open borders vs close borders debate is a trick question for libertarians. The state shouldn't have any property whatsoever. Either "solution" guaranties that the problem won't be solved, and by problem I mean the public property problem. The only rational solution to the migration problem is to privatize every piece of land and let freedom of association (and from association) dictate who gets in your property (something that the American state prohibits, since secession itself, an integral part of freedom of association, is considered a crime). Any other solution reinforces the idea that the state should control anything at all. And the state completely relies on it's psychosocial validation to even exist. This alone should tell you how supporting the state in any way is detrimental to libertarianism.

Her points are pretty pathetic and she mostly relies on fallacies. Lauren and folks like Cantwell are what happens when you throw ethics out of the window so you can feel more comfortable and have a sense of belonging to a group. It's unfortunate that people like her have voice and influence on other folks that consider themselves libertarians.


 No.67196

>see comments

>Constitutional libertarian

>National libertarian

These pathetic beta males think that if they re brand their ideas they will be accepted by the fart-right or get attention from whores like Lauren.

kys


 No.67199

>>67196

>haha bro borders are just imaginary lines bro lets get our metapolitical framework from cultural communists haha


 No.67201

File: 78c34645b9fadc3⋯.png (187.99 KB, 480x266, 240:133, who_will_build_the_bridges.png)

>>67199

Borders are just imaginary lines though. At least the government variety.

The only borders that exist are mountains, rivers, oceans, and fences/walls around your property.


 No.67229

File: f3dcc3aca4dd209⋯.jpg (87.05 KB, 1096x900, 274:225, 21083188_10154982161844786….jpg)

>>67126

She's 22 and already a MILF


 No.67247

>>67193

1. There's no reason she shouldn't talk about establishment libertarians, and she never said they represented all libertarians

2. She wasn't saying they should keep the state going at all, she's saying if you're going to have a state, it should protect the border

>you throw ethics out of the window so you can be part of a group

She would say throwing utopianism out of the window in favour of being pragmatic.


 No.67260

>>67201

>everyone knows what kind of borders we are talking about but let's just mention there are other kinds so I can feel smug and maybe use those other ones as an "argument" when I'm in trouble

I will never understand retards like you. I've once even seen a guy argue (not here, though) that you can't abolish borders because cells have "borders?"


 No.67274

>>67260

>Everyone knows what kind of borders we are talking about

No they don't. If they did, there wouldn't be so much confusion among other boards over why we're such a peculiar lot of libertarians. People like you assuming shit that should be common sense are the reason faggots don't understand basic libertarian arguments and come to shit up our board.


 No.67287

>>67229

who is it on left?


 No.67291

>>67287

Some random thot. Who cares?


 No.67421

>>67132

Julie Borowski is just a camwhore and isn't worth Southern's time; her ideas aren't anything special she just has an army of lonely libertarian guys to give her views.

Lauren on the other hand actually does productive things like running for office and activism.


 No.67423

>>67287

faith goldy?


 No.67519

>Lauren Shillthern


 No.67616

>>67126

I haven't watched the video but if historic trends and forces remain the same I can conclude that she says a lot of retarded shit.


 No.67705

>>67423

Brittany PEttibone


 No.67709

>>67229

Brittany does not have big tits like that. Fake news.


 No.67769

>cucks falling for female (((e-celebs)))


 No.68082

>>67131

this. She's clearly illiterate on the concept of floating exchange rates.


 No.68173

>>67616

>*hegelism intensifies*


 No.68185

>listening to Lauren "christian family values is the new punk rock" Southern


 No.68189

>>67131

If anything, you can't not be a unionist and a libertarian. For all their faults, Lincoln was far, far worse.


 No.68191

>>68189

>you can't not be a unionist and a libertarian

*you can't be a unionist and a libertarian.

Fucking hell, gotta start paying more attention before hitting submit.


 No.68194

I don't think she understands what a libertarian is. Everyone she talks about in the intro was never a libertarian, they just used the moniker for political hipsterdom.


 No.68201

>>68194

If she was capable of understanding things, she would be an anarcho-communist by now.


 No.68202

>>68194

I forget if it was her but I remember her or one of the Rebel Media people endorsing Rojava. Or that could be another site I was thinking of.


 No.68218

>>67247

>She would say throwing utopianism out of the window in favour of being pragmatic.

If by pragmatic, you mean being another useful idiot for the politicians' divide and conquer strategy to get power, then yes. She's as pragmatic as Antifa when they advocate redistributing everyone's wealth to help poor people survive.


 No.68236

>>68201

ayy lmao




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