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 No.66714

Can we morally condemn socialist revolutionaries, given that their fellow countrymen were starving to death?

I would be angry at rich people too, and might have been persuaded, if I was ignorant enough, of the need for a new system.

I'm less willing to forgive in 2017, but I think it's true that in France, Russia, and China people regularly starved

 No.66731

>>66714

>Can we morally condemn socialist revolutionaries, given that their fellow countrymen were starving to death?

Yes. That their ideas wouldn't work was clear from the beginning, because their ideas are shit. Look at the kind of utopian bullshit they wrote. The socialist revolutionaries were detached from reality and it shouldn't have taken Mises to make them aware of it. After Mises showed categorically that socialism cannot work, they have even less of an excuse that they couldn't have known better. But of course, they never use that excuse. Might be their ego at work; talk about irony. At least I have never heard of a high-ranking socialist who defected after he has figured out that the socialist utopia is simply unachievable, for economic reasons. Ignorance can be an excuse, but not when you will it.

There's also the fact that socialist revolutionaries almost never had strong moral sentiments. There are some exceptions, like Orwell and maybe Marcos, but they are just that: Exceptions. It's not just a cliché that socialist revolutions tend to be extraordinarily brutal, and it's common knowledge that the aftermath is often even worse. You cannot tell me that someone who genuinely loves his people, who starts a revolution because he is so outraged at the injustice around him, would concentrate his efforts on stripping "class enemies" naked and showcasing them on butcher hooks, or ripping families apart and sending the unruly members away to be "reeducated". That they interpret this as the good doesn't make it so. Interpreting evil as good is precisely wherein evil lies.


 No.66735

>>66714

I can't speak for France, but from my.knowledge of Russian and Chinese history, at least part of the famines had to deal with military excursions and taxation.

So I can't hold it against folks for overthrowing the government, but to claim the revolts were the same as the opportunistic socialist armies that took over after such revolts is disingenuous. China had regular and frequent farmer's revolts that typically would just lead to the destruction of the noble's house/stealing his shit, and everyone going on with their lives until some army would eventually come through and establish a new noble as being "in charge."


 No.66760

>>66714

>Can we morally condemn socialist revolutionaries, given that their fellow countrymen were starving to death?

You can't condemn them for the starvation directly, but you can condemn them for

>implementing shitty policies

>forcing people into them

which then lead to starvation and deaths.




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