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File: 60bfd70dcb822cf⋯.jpg (69.4 KB, 960x960, 1:1, price_gouging.jpg)

 No.65913

THE MISLEADING CLAIM: "Price-gouging after a natural disaster is reprehensible and should strictly be outlawed.”

THE REALITY: Such restrictions negatively affect the supply of goods, exacerbating shortages. As professor of economics and finance Mark J. Perry states, "Anti-price gouging laws are really ‘pro-shortage’ laws."

This is an issue most decent-hearted people simply misunderstand. Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman's infamous research on the matter indicated that 80% of surveyed people said raising prices after a severe weather emergency was unfair. [b] Meanwhile, only 7-8% of surveyed ECONOMISTS agreed. [c] This isn’t as much about ethics as it is about knowledge. Most people agree that victims shouldn’t be harmed. What the general public isn’t aware of, however, is that anti-price gouging laws ARE harmful.

From the paper “The Ethics of Price Gouging,” Associate Professor of Philosophy Matt Zwolinski explains:

“Holding prices low, voluntarily or by regulation, may seem to achieve justice in the microcosm, but it does so at the cost of keeping the microcosm static, and preventing the influx of supply that would alleviate concerns…” [d] He recounted the following story:

 No.65914

File: 0af974eb483ffe0⋯.jpg (42.4 KB, 620x465, 4:3, 11036490_1603283509940097_….jpg)

“In 1996, Hurricane Eran struck North Carolina, leaving over a million people in the Raleigh-Durham area without power. Without any way of refrigerating food, infant formula, or insulin, and without any idea of when power would be restored, people were desperate for ice, but existing supplies quickly sold out. Four young men from Goldsboro, which was not significantly affected by the storm, rented refrigerated trucks, bought 500 bags of ice for $1.70 per bag, and drove to Raleigh. The price they charged for the ice was $12 per bag—more than seven times what they paid for it.

…The four men …were probably not moved to drive to Raleigh by altruistic motives. But in doing so, they did something to help ALLEVIATE THE SHORTAGE of ice that Raleigh was facing.” Unfortunately, these men were arrested for price gouging and the ice was left to melt. This means, rather than paying $12 per bag for ice, helpless citizens who desperately needed refrigeration to accommodate the needs of the sick, young, or elderly, instead paid $0 for NO ice. Let’s be clear about this, the prolonged shortage of ice was the result of anti-gouging laws, not greed. Imagine your own helpless relative and ask, does NO ICE sound better than EXPENSIVE ice?

Another well-known gouging case involves the actions of John Shepperson. “After the Hurricane Katrina disaster, John bought 19 generators, rented a U-Haul truck, and drove 600 miles from Kentucky to Mississippi. In return for his efforts and risk, he hoped to sell the generators at double his purchase price. Instead, he was arrested for price gouging, spent 4 days in jail, and the generators were confiscated. It’s a tricky issue: while Mr. Shepperson’s morality can be debated, his initiative would have unequivocally added supply and made some people better off. We all are charitable, of course, but how many of you would have rented a truck and driven twelve hundred miles round trip to sell generators for the price you purchased them?” [e]

This is something even the leftist publication Slate understands. Speaking out against the dangers of anti-gouging laws, Matthew Yglesias attempts to guide Slate’s largely left-leaning audience with the following explanation:

“These laws are hideously misguided. Stopping price hikes during disasters may sound like a way to help people, but all it does is exacerbate shortages and complicate preparedness.” [f]

“The basic imperative to allocate goods efficiently doesn’t vanish in a storm or other crisis. If anything, it becomes more important. And price controls in an emergency have the same results as they do any other time: They lead to shortages and overconsumption. Letting merchants raise prices if they think customers will be willing to pay more isn’t a concession to greed. Rather, it creates much-needed incentives for people to think harder about what they really need and appropriately rewards vendors who manage their inventories well.” [f]

"More price gouging would greatly improve inventory management. There is a large class of goods—flashlights, snow shovels, sand bags—for which demand is highly irregular. Maintaining large inventories of these items is, on most days, a costly misuse of storage space. If retailers can earn windfall profits when demand for them spikes, that creates a situation in which it makes financial sense to keep them on hand. Trying to curtail price gouging does the reverse." [f]

"Declining to raise prices in the face of spiking demand and inelastic supply is a very odd form of charity: It doesn’t create any new resources, just allocates them arbitrarily to whoever shows up first." [f]

When disasters hit, they literally destroy or damage regional suppliers. That means suppliers from OTHER regions have to ship further than normal in order to meet the demands of the impacted region. That obviously comes with additional facilitation costs. To not understand this is to deny basic math. Greater distance plus greater time does not magically equal “nothing.” Prices NEED to adjust to compensate adequately.

For instance, hurricane Katrina "shut down 95% of the crude oil production in the Gulf Coast, 13% of the refining capacity in the United States, and major pipelines, particularly those bringing supplies from the Gulf Coast to the mid-Atlantic seaboard. When Rita hit the next month, the combined impact of the two storms was to knock out 25% of U.S. refining capacity. Given the reduction in the amount of gasoline available for consumption, additional supplies needed to be DIVERTED to affected regions, actual consumption HAD TO DROP, or BOTH."


 No.65915

File: 38f7d960077ef90⋯.png (50.02 KB, 398x476, 199:238, 11745325_1054865684541100_….png)

What's important to focus on, then, is not necessarily what happens to the price, but what happens to the SUPPLY. If not allowed to increase, shipments have little reason to divert from ordinary routes and consumers have little reason to cut back or conserve. Raise the prices, however, and you help alleviate both the shortage of supply AND the prioritization/conservation of limited resources. This ensures that the person desperate enough to spend $10 a gallon for generator fuel, necessary to keep their child's insulin refrigerated, finds fuel for sale, due in part because the increased price previously discouraged a group of college students - interested only in keeping their beer cold - from purchasing it.

CONCLUSION:

It’s truly sad that the vast majority of the population, from left to right, support banning the very practice that would alleviate disaster related shortages. Please spread the word and caution others on the dangers of these laws

SOURCES:

[a]

http://www.aei.org/publication/anti-price-gouging-laws-are-really-pro-shortage-laws/

[b]

http://www.princeton.edu/~kahneman/docs/Publications/Fairness_DK_JLK_RHT_1986.pdf

[c]

http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/price-gouging

[d]

http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~flanagap/3305/readings/Zwolinski_Price_Gouging.pdf

[e]

https://hbr.org/2013/07/the-problem-with-price-gouging-laws

[f]

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/10/sandy_price_gouging_anti_gouging_laws_make_natural_disasters_worse.html

[g]

https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_statements/moneyball-and-price-gouging/060227moneyballandpricegouging_0.pdf


 No.65919

>>65913

I think this is a very logical, mathematically-sound argument. I can't really provide a proof against established economists, but I feel as if people who have been kicked shouldn't be raped afterwards. Maybe a middle-of-the-road road "price gouging of ≤ 25% is okay" law should be put into effect. Yeah, you can call me out as illogical, but I still think a very limited government needs to set some moral standards.

On a related note, I think many times well-intentioned laws/citizens actions have disastrous effects on the economy. It seems like action should be taken only after a proof is put forward, such as this one.


 No.65921

Shame that's illegal. This is excellent practice. The smartest, strongest, and most savvy get rich, risking cargo and lives to go into a disaster struck area to sell their goods for a huge profit. Meanwhile, the most capable from when before the disaster struck can afford the goods to carry their family through the rough times, while the weak and incompetent die.

Natural selection in its purest state.


 No.65922

>>65921

>the most capable from when before the disaster struck can afford the goods to carry their family through the rough times, while the weak and incompetent die. Natural selection in its purest state.

Where does the leave morality? Where does that leave basic kindness for you own Volk? You can argue that it's "human nature", but, if we take that to its logical ocnclusion, everyone should be a sociopath. This is not the case.


 No.65923

>>65919

You're fucking gay. Nobody should face a shortage of basic goods just to make retards feel better.


 No.65924

>>65922

>Where does the leave morality?

Morality is subjective.

Pre Civil War: Slaves good.

Post Civil War: Slaves bad.

Pre WW2: Racism good.

Post WW2: Racism bad.

Winner decides the morals, not losers.

>Basic kindness for your own volk

Your own volk are fine, assuming you mean your family, because you are competent enough to see the signs and recognize the hazards of the environment you inhabit, thus storing away goods and supplies. If this was not, then you're dead, in which case you don't care anyways because you're dead.

>everyone should be a sociopath

No, everyone SHOULD NOT be a sociopath. You can't profit off sociopaths, you can only profit off non-sociopaths. Sociopaths are my competition.


 No.65928

File: fb40baaea86e216⋯.png (48.44 KB, 1190x653, 1190:653, price_gouging_simplified.png)

>>65921

The article kind of points to the opposite, really.

Price gouging leads to better allocation of resources and markets being more likely to stockpile "emergency supplies" to quickly ship off in the face of natural disasters. Effectively what happens is pic related.


 No.65930

>>65928

Sure, but not until the gougers have taken their profits because supply is nonexistent. It's a monopoly in a microcosm, use it while you got it because you don't keep it long before the corporations have their ops fixed up.


 No.65932

>>65919

>government being in charge of morality

>justifying shortages to virtue signal


 No.65939

>>65924

Astronomy is subjective.

>14th century: The sun revolves around the earth

>17th century: The earth revolves around the sun

>20th century: The earth revolves around the sun and the solar system around the galactic center

>21st century: Everything is a hologramm, lol

>Aztecs: The sun needs blood or it will go out


 No.65941

Purge the weak and poor. Only the strong survive.


 No.65942

>>65939

>Astronomy is subjective.

True, insofar as it is man's interpretation of all available data. The stars move in whatever way they move, it's just man who can't figure out what's going on with it. Same with morality. There's an objectively correct way to live that fully enhances both individual and community without a doubt, but men won't ever find it, and so they'll just keep spurting out one morality after another into forever.


 No.65944

>>65942

I should rephrase: there is a specific condition wherein men can find the objectively correct way to live that fully enhances both individual and community, but it won't be in a society wherein endless distractions are offered. Absolutely terrific for making a docile population that doesn't siege their nearest Federal building though.


 No.65954

>>65913

>as many as 8% of economists are still unbought

Considerably higher than I thought.


 No.65957

Capitalism is a death cult.


 No.65966

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


 No.65967

>>65919

>I think many times well-intentioned laws/citizens actions have disastrous effects

People having control over anyone except for themselves has been the number one cause of suffering for all of human history.


 No.65968

>>65957

prove


 No.65997

How about this. After the crisis is over people who were priced gouged receive recompense for the extra cost?


 No.66001

>>65997

>eceive recompense for the extra cost?

By whom? With what money? Will force be needed?


 No.66002

>>66001

>By whom?

the businesses they had transactions with, assuming they issued receipts

>With what money?

With the money those owners made extra profit off of?

>Will force be needed?

Assuming they don't comply, then it can be settled in court


 No.66003

>>66002

>Assuming they don't comply, then it can be settled in court

And why should they be sued or sent in court, for simply selling an item at a higher cost?

Also please watch >>65966 (me)


 No.66004

>>66002

Price gouging laws are a form of price control. Are you unfamiliar with the effects of price controls?


 No.66009

>>66002

So what you're saying is, you want price gouging to be illegal?


 No.66037

Today I discovered that there is no such thing as a free market, since if you even attempt to engage in true-price discovery, you'll get buttfucked by the State for daring to try to discover true-price.

AMAZING. THANKS, (((GOVERNMENT)))!


 No.66040

Price increase is the best determinant of value allocation.

The person who needs ice for dey keeedz insulin values it more highly than the college kids wanting to keep their beer cold, and thus price increase establishes most efficient and most VALUABLE allocation of resources during HABBEDING-EVENTS.

Q.E.D.: SUCK MY DICK


 No.66042

>>65919

It's kind thinking but it turns out you don't even need a limit, thanks to competition. If every disaster becomes a gold rush and people race to supply necessities, the prices won't stay high for long because everyone will want to get rid of their haul and go home.

Wanna drop the price even lower? Don't tax income from disaster relief.


 No.66772

>>65919

you can ostracize ppl you find immoral


 No.66809

>government makes price gouging illegal

>opportunists snatch up all remaining resources

>grey market for goods is created

>prices are astronomical

>problem is exactly the same but only resellers get the reward

What a great idea.

>>65922

>Where does that leave basic kindness for you own Volk?

Why does the government need to step in to do right by your people? Why aren't you helping your community instead? Price gouging would be irrelevant if people prepared to help their neighbors out as well.

When you have the state step in to cover everything, you suddenly lose the motivation to help because you know they're covered. Like any other part of the welfare state, they dissolve communities and marry people to the government.


 No.66810

>>66009

But it's already illegal.




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