/liberty/ - Liberty

>>64964

>Prager

pls

>>64965

Besides the neocon foreign policy, what's wrong with them?

Seems like a good introductory series to introduce a libtard to reality.

>>64966

They are a bit too NeoCucky.

>>64964

>"B-but the anti-white agenda!", ALL of western civilization is under attack. Christianity, fatherhood, masculinity, hierarchies, morality, capitalism, free markets, the very foundations of western civilization are targeted for destruction by the cultural marxists. The color of your skin is irrelevant.

And here's the part where it slips out; you, yourself, aren't white, or are a cuckservative. If you were, you'd understand that whites and Jews are clearly superior, and both of our values are under attack by muds and communists/antifa. Western values are Judeo-Christian values. Don't try to bullshit me, anon, as I know the truth about this. You clearly haven't seen all of the "kill white people", "all whites need to die", or "remove all confederate statues" posts on the news.

>People are individuals.

Yeah, but it's foolish to say that Jamal with a 55 IQ deserves to live off the land that Jews and White people worked so hard to create. Civilization requires having an IQ high enough to understand Kantian duties, something most shitskins don't have.

>>64968

>Have tighter immigration policy

If you want to live in this country, you assimilate and become part of the culture. You leave your own culture behind. You become an American first and foremost, your ethnic background remains that, a background.

Otherwise you end up like Europe, where Muslims terrorize the streets and hate the culture of the country that welcomed them in the first place.

>Have better education system

Remove all the Marxist/Commie poison in our education, baby boomers go into retirement or die off. People become smarter and come out of school understanding reality and what to expect of the world.

There, I just fixed your "Jamal 55 IQ" problem.

The U.S. has a history of families coming from 3rd world shitholes to build a better future for their children in this country. That's what the whole American dream is about. Dad works as a Taxi driver, works his way up, can afford education for his son so he can actually have a future, etc. They slowly become middle class.

>>64968

>to understand Kantian duties

Go ahead with that by yourself.

>>64968

He said western civilization is under attack. You attack him for not including the Jews, and for not being white (lol wut). Was that really worth it? You could've saved us a long discussion by just looking over this one "mistske".

>>64981

>He said western civilization is under attack

What do you think "Western Civilization is?" An attack on "Western Civilization" is a euphemism for attack on whites as a whole. If you don't see this, you're already too far down the "human race everyone is the same, anyone can be American" rabbit hole. Only whites, preferably British whites, can be Americans.

>>64979

>Kantian duties are bad

>not understanding that Kantian ethics are the best form of arguing for Anarcho-Capitalism

>>>/reddit/

>>64987

>western civilization is white people

>values, morals, ethics and beliefs don't exist

>everything boils down to skin color

This is how retarded /pol/ is.

This is what they actually believe.

>>64987

Humans are equal and the same in the sense that we are all made in the image of God. We all have a soul that inhabits a physical body.

We're not equal or the same genetically, ethnically or culturally. We all have different views and beliefs on various subjects such as science, philosophy, politics, religion and history.

American is a nationality. Everyone can be an American, that is not a false statement. The U.S. has been a melting pot since its inception. The "whites" you fantasize so much about didn't even share the same culture. Most American whites have a German, Irish, English or Polish background, all different European cultures.

Years later you had waves of Italian, Cuban and Chinese immigration. They are ALL Americans because they have an American citizenship and (generally) believe in American values.

Who are you to decide that someone born in the U.S. is not an American, just because his skin color is different from yours? In that case, whites are not real Americans because the native Indians were here first. See where your retarded identity politics leads to?

>>64990

Of course there are biological differences. No one here is denying that. But biological differences doesn't mean you should deny someone his humanity. Try reading the constitution some time. We all have God-given inalienable rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Viewing others as inferior or undesirables is the first step to totalitarianism and persecution.

It is perfectly possible to explain politics to people with low IQs in layman's terms. It is our education system that has failed. Public schools are a mess.

>>64991

>Niggers are retarded

>It's the fault of public schooling

Moving on, please take your overtly religious rubbish to >>>/leftypol/ or >>>/Christian/. America was built by whites; you could even say homesteaded. As we now know, Vikings were here before Native Americans, which makes us the owners of the land. Under AnCap morality, we have a right to deny/admit anyone we want. The whole "muh melting pot" argument is horseshit because the Constitution is too faulty to use as an authority figure. How can freedom be "inalienable" if I can be put in prison?

In terms of "we are all God's children", why does that mean I have some moral duty to provide for non-white people? As an AnCap, I feel I have a right to accept God, while also denying what I see as forced charity; the admittance of blacks and browns into the U.S. You can't possibly argue for this as an AnCap, free from religion.

The problem with you, is that you're mixing religion and economics. You should leave Christianity at the door of philosophical discussion, or you risk intellectual laziness.

>>64991

>should deny someone his humanity

Can you explain what this is? What does it mean to have humanity? Something cannot exist without a guarantor. So if everyone is deserving of "humanity, or some sort of universal human rights", who is the guarantor? The point of AnCap is that I am the guarantor of myself; I use a gun, my head, and maybe a hired guard to protect myself. Who has the right to say blacks/Asians, even white people, should not be denied humanity?

>>64964

>says identity politics is bullshit

>identifies as a "neutral" and an ancap

retard

>>64993

>Black communities are very retarded today

>They used to be less retarded in the 80's

>They used to be even less retarded before the 60's

Gee, it's almost as if it's a CULTURAL thing.

The welfare state, liberal lefty democrats, fatherless homes and victim mentality are to blame. Not the color of their skin. Blacks are perfectly capable of being conservative if they are educated properly and un-brainwashed from Marxist propaganda.

>America was built by whites

America was built by ideas and values. The founding fathers learned from the mistakes that Europe made, and wanted to make a great nation that would avoid those mistakes of the past. And what about the black slaves? They worked and contributed in hard labour.

If you're gonna see everything in terms of race, let's look at other inventions "whites" made: Communism, the nuclear bomb and various horrific torture devices during the medieval ages. I guess according to your logic, that makes whites barbaric savages.

And again, 'whites' does not have the same culture. A German has a different culture from a Frenchman. A Polish guy has a different culture from a Spaniard, Italian or Norwegian. What makes us part of the same culture is our nationality and common values, aka America. Stop bringing your race-obsessed identity politics into this, that makes you no different from the SJWs who insist to force diversity of skin color into everything (but not diversity of thought).

>Constitution is too faulty to use as an authority figure

The nation and the whole idea of America is BUILT on the constitution. If you are put into prison because of wrongthink, the government is to blame, not the constitution. The constitution was written for your freedom, incase the government ever went tyrannical.

>why does that mean I have some moral duty to provide for non-white people?

I never said you must provide for other people. Nobody here is forcing you to do charity.

>admittance of blacks and browns into the U.S.

You mean the blacks who were here for a couple hundred years as slaves? Feel free to build a time machine to prevent all those slave boats from reaching American shores.

As for mixing religion and politics, I agree that both are seperate discussions, but you can't escape the fact that they are very much linked together. You base your politics on a certain worldview, a foundation. What do you believe regarding the origins and purpose of mankind? Your religious or philosophical belief will affect your politics, it is inescapable. An atheist who believes in millions of years and that he's just a cosmic biological freak accident that crawled out of a slime pit is more likely to embrace abortion, feminism, homosexuality and transvestites. A Christian who believes in 6000 years, creation and inherent/intrinsic value of humans is more likely to be against abortion, homosexuality and feminism.

Religion affects your politics, whether you like it or not. Everyone has some sort of worldview that he bases his politics on, including you.

You can see this on the macro level after the 'enlightenment': the French revolution, Bolshevik revolution, socialism, WW1 and WW2 are the effects of Europe largely drifting away from belief in God (going from theism to deism to atheism).

>>64994

This goes into the realm of the topic of morality. Do you believe in objective, absolute morals or do you believe in moral relativity/subjectivism? What does it mean to be human? Where do we come from? etc.

Things that politics can't answer, and are outside of this board's interest.

>>64964

A better channel would be learnliberty, especially their older videos.

>>65002

>what is the Old Testament

It's Judeo-Christianity because God used the Jews to bring His laws and the messiah into the world.

>all these people who fell for the one american nation meme

As a Texan, I've got more culture in common with Mexico than I do with New York.

Triggered.

>>65006

You could've said "you're wrong!" repeatedly and your post would have just as much substance.

>>65010

Because he said things that were just plain wrong and stupid.

>>65012

Then use it as an opportunity to deliver a quality-rebuttal. Simple, but fatal errors are a good hook for presenting your own view in detail.

>>64963

I'm beginning to think that identity politics are dumb, regardless of which side does it

Culture flourishes in spite of the state, not because of it. Don't really have a lot of time to read the thread/respond right now so I'll look at it some other time.

>>65022

>Culture flourishes in spite of the state

Bullshit

>>65006

>You only seem to disagree with them on economics.

No, we are against the identity politics you love so much, just like them. Also against affirmative action and racial quotas just so you feel like you are a good person, at the expense for hiring the best people or having the best get in to colleges. So no, not at all like them. Their identity politics is cancer, just like yours.

Treat people as individuals, not as members of a group. Judge an individual on their merits. You don't have to be pro open borders here. You CAN'T be, because we have a welfare state which isn't going away. In theory, yes, open borders…which you are obviously against because you are a racist, even if whoever chooses to come here doesn't have access to a welfare state.

Fuck you

>>65026

Read Sowell. Russian, Polish, and Jewish immigrants also had sub-90 IQs when they first came here.

>>65016

Except that's bullshit, because /leftypol/ also wants to demolish group identities, seeing them as a distraction. Both of you are despicable soulless materialists who want to leave people out in the dark, with nothing higher than man.

'Identity politics' just consists in calling people racist and sexist as much as possible, not in taking positive value from group identities. Both of you are actually against 'identity politics' conceived as the attempt to actually wed people to a higher identity which would uplift them.

>>65028

>>>65028

>>>65027

The difference is they caught up on wealth- and they also have white IQs at white levels of income.

Blacks didn't catch up on wealth, and even where they did they still have lower IQs and commit more crime.

I have images that show this but I can't post with images for some reason

>>65028

>>65033

Wealth is only one facet of cultural assimilation. Again, read Sowell. There is not a single reproducible study that establishes racial-genetic causality for IQ.

>>65033

Remove

>welfare state

>victim mentality

>liberal lefty bias

>fatherless homes

>ghetto culture

And you will see a drastic improvement in black communities.

Again, my dear /pol/tard racist friend, the problem is cultural and not genetic.

>>65035

>>65038

>if only my irredeemably stupid niggers didn't act like niggers, and acted like rocket scientists, we might get somewhere

>>65035

You should at least admit that the Polish example proves nothing whatsoever except that IQs can increase (which people already knew).

Even if IQs can be increased, it remains true that:

Blacks unlike Poles, didn't catch up on wealth, and even where they did they still have lower IQs and commit more crime.

This has to be explained. It may be explained by racial IQ differences.

>>65049

inb4 he says those are just outliers or rare exceptions, and not evidence that it is a cultural issue.

>>65050

They certainly prove nothing about the average black person's limitations or dispositions.

>>65051

I'm not sure countries with welfare states don't actually have more mobility than other countries.

In which case it should have been harder for the Poles to catch up, and easier for the blacks.

>>64963

i hope that after sexual group identities and national group identities, group identities based on values will come into prominence

>>64964

I thought the state was their god.

In prison, individualist types dont last long, they simply get raped, by everyone. When they were sinking nazi submarines, they didnt ask those nazis which ones had a membership card, and which ones were pressed into service or whatever.

My point it, you dont always get to decide your group identity. Sometimes, your enemy does. Those BLM faggots are going to beat you up just for being white, those commie faggots are going to rob you even if you didnt exploit anyone, those antifa faggots are going to beat you up just because you arent antifa.

So think of the pros and cons. Unless you can provide your own medicine and engineering and security and entertainment and basically be 100% self sufficient yourself, and reminder that not even Ayn Rand heroes managed to pull this off, not even a fiction written for motivation doesnt think this is realistic, unless you can be a one man market of everything…. you gotta fall in line.

Think about it.

Sometimes, it is more personally profitable to you personally to fall in line than to go alone.

>>65135

Wrong flag btw

>>65136

>implying

Listen, men are social creatures. And this doesnt mean anyone is taking away our liberties, in fact most of the time it meant increase of individual liberties, modern societies and 20th century especially became pure cancer but that doesnt negate my point.

I just want to maximize my liberties. Now if I could make a… surgery bots, drones with machineguns, missiles and missile cruisers, asteroid miners, ALL BY MYSELF, I would require no one else. But I cant take care of all that myself. So I am willing to… trade.

That's how I see it. It's a voluntary profitable trade. How many /liberty/fags do you think are out there??? Nazis are the closest thing if you are white, and they have the manpower.

Good luck in thinking you can secure all your rights and liberties alone, or that the civil government that we have today can guarantee them.

>>65140

When insecure fags look for excuses for their groupthink and mob mentality even Stirner postings becomes quality posters.

>>65141

>I believe in AnCap because it is akin to natural law, in accordance with things like the NAP

>groupthink and mob mentality (natural and useful) is bad

Pick 1, faggot

>>65151

An armed society is a polite society. Even Jaraykwon the hood rat with a room temperature IQ will think twice about mugging someone when they likely have a gun.

>>65153

exactly, arming yourself is a first step towards realpolitik

next step is developing alliances

again, not saying you have to have alliances if you can completely on your own deal with all the leftist hordes throwing acid and bricks, just saying that unless you already have multiple launch rocket systems, you might help the people you have 90% of the things in common with at your own expense instead of going alone against everyone and losing everything

>>65151

>cooperation is the same thing as identity politics

>realpolitik

>an unrelated anecdotal example of a person being attacked by group is a justification for mob mentality.

>pack of feral shitskins, antifas, muslims and communists

Your /pol/ is showing too much. Using a flag isn't enough to cover yourself.

>>65157

jesus christ lad, how much of a sheltered faggot can you be?

nazis and white nationalists are a perfect buffer zone for the free market

go to a google and google what a buffer zone is

and all you have to do in return, is be white, that's the only thing you have to "give" back

go and calculate costs and benefits yourself

>commies want you to surrender all of your hard work

>antifa is incoherent horde of faggots, half of the time they end up beating each other up when their masks fall off and gas each other with tear gas because they are retarded

>blm is as reasonable as the niggers who turned rhodesia into zimbabwe, niggers are notoriously feral

>to the muslims you are already a filthy kufar infidel and it doesnt even matter if your opinions are that you arent

>the government has failed to ensure any of your basic rights, european governments especially

get mugged for all i care, if you survive you might figure on your own that your belief in NAP is not enough for non-aggression

its not like that outside of internet ancapistan exists, there's 5 of us replying to a month old posts, sober up for your own sake

>>65157

kill yourself

>People clearly take energy and pride from identities that are superior to the merely personal and human

those people are hella gay

>>65158

>benevolent tyranny