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A recognized Safe Space for liberty - if you're triggered and you know it, clap your hands!

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 No.63790

Left-libertarianism doesn't exist. Just a reminder.

Second image is much more accurate. The true political spectrum is a triangle

 No.63792

Don't we have a thread for this already?


 No.63793

>>63790

>1st pic

Since when was Mutualism considered right libertarian?


 No.63798

>>63793

I guess because they still have some form of markets.


 No.63802

>>63798

I guess you could argue it that way. Normally, I've seen them be associated with the left.


 No.63817

It's funny how you even reject mutualists.

Nobody likes you.


 No.63824

>>63817

Not even /leftypol/ likes mutualists.


 No.63826

>>63790

What about mutualism?

Syndicalism?

Distributism?

All these systems can work

And lib cap can't work since companies benefit from a state thus meaning they will recreate it

Auth Cap cannot work since capitalism strives of no regulation

Auth left can't work since socailism gives liberty and freedom to do whatever.

See, now politics are false


 No.63827

>>63793

If you answer all the questions from a mutualist standpoint on a political compass you will be libertarian right


 No.63833

>>63824

/leftypol/ is also filled with tankies.


 No.64062

>>63826

>And lib cap can't work since companies benefit from a state thus meaning they will recreate it

Has there been any company that created a state?


 No.64063

>>63826

>socailism gives liberty and freedom to do whatever.

You don't have the liberty to rent out the results of your production in socialism.


 No.64072

>>63790

I like how you moved the diagonal down a bit because otherwise your drawing would have implied that social democracies and activism don't exist


 No.64190

>>64072

>>63826

the line wasn't mean to be precise , just that leftism is inherently statist, so there cannot be a bottom left corner. (why I made a triangle instead)


 No.64204

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>>64063

You have the "right" to do that but no one's going to want to work for you. It's the equivalent of saying " I don't have the right to declare myself king and have people be my peasants if they voluntarily choose to". Sure, you can do that and we won't stop you but it doesn't make sense to do that, it's more of an anachronism than a crime.

>>64190

Leftism isn't inherently statist, that's nonsense. Anarchism has always been a left wing political current.

>>63827

What? Maybe if you're a Left Rothbardian it's a slight possibility that could happen but Mutualism is explicitly anti-capitalist and thus incompatible with right wing ethos.


 No.64206

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I prefer the horseshoe spectrum.

Besides big government & statism, the higher up you go the more atheistic it gets. Conservatives/Libertarians are theistic whereas Commies and Nazis are atheists. Their god is the state.


 No.64210

>>64209

He's right though.

In socialist states, the leader is always deified and almost worshipped. His face is plastered everywhere. The state/government becomes the supreme benefactor. Communism is based on the belief in Darwinism, which is why leftists hate religion so much.

In libertarian societies, such as early America: "One nation under God". The government is subject to the people, whereas communism is about collectivism, we are about individuality and personal responsibilities.

1. God

2. Family

3. Nation

whereas leftists flip it upside down and want to completely remove God out of the picture (see the American revolution vs the French/Russian revolution).

Cultural Marxism seeks to destroy and undermine the foundations of western civilization, such as the family nucleus. The family is the building block of a nation, so destroy the family and you'll make people more dependant on the state (just look at the black welfare communities, the sheboons are practically married to the state).


 No.64211

>>64209

The nazis were into the occult and romanticized paganism. So they were even worse than atheists, they were luciferians/satanists.


 No.64215

>>64213

>Nazi Germany was fucking overwhelmingly Protestant Christian

No shit, because the Nazis only had power for a couple years.

If they actually survived a decade or two, you'd see much cultural change. After the Jews, the Christians would've been next. The Bible would be more and more outphased and churches replaced with the "superman" pagan Nazi mysticism.


 No.64218

>>64216

Christians are the most persecuted minority throughout history.

Sorry to burst your fedora feelings, but statistics are facts.


 No.64219

>>64209

The top-level Nazis definitely were


 No.64220

>>64216

They had already started on the church. It's well-founded conjecture.


 No.64221

Why do atheists always get so upset when told that Nazis/Commies were atheistic regimes?

It's like they can't handle reality.


 No.64223

>>64222

>Facts are delusional

>Waaahh facts are wrong if it hurts my fee-fees

Take that ancap flag off, you're obviously an SJW lefty.


 No.64226

>>64225

>I don't know what inspiration or preservation means

>I don't know what the Holy Spirit means

>I don't know anything about church history

>I don't know anything about theology

>I get my knowledge from shitty youtube atheists

I feel so sorry for you.


 No.64228

>>64225

You do know this anti-Christian sentiment is exactly why western civilization is collapsing, right?

>Feminism

>Baby murder

>Transvestites

>Sodomites

>Beastiality

>Pedophilia

Can all be attributed to the rise of atheism in the last couple decades.

In 1963, Bible prayers were outlawed in schools. Since then, crime and teenage pregnancies has skyrocketed.

Enjoy your totalitarian atheist future. You sound like a pseudo with your typical Nu-Atheist youtube insults like this comment

>>64227

No arguments, no substance, nothing of value. Just an irrational and illogical atheist in his natural habitat.


 No.64230

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>>64228

>Since then, crime and teenage pregnancies has skyrocketed.

Hmm.

>>64229

>correlation equals causation!

Did you really just come from r/atheism?


 No.64231

>>64229

>Darwinism's Downfall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IHO-QkmomY

>Why Leftists Believe Weird and Immoral Things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oETivbBtlAE

>Worst Objection to Theism: Who Created God?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKKIvmcO5LQ

>Digital Physics Argument for God's Existence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas

>The Leibnizian Cosmological Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

>Quantum Physics Debunks Materialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM

>The Introspective Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1lQMCOguw

>The Teleological Argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

>What Atheists Confuse

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLJtxn_OCo

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj0lekx-NiQ

>Is Atheism a Delusion?

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ii-bsrHB0o

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnBTJDje5xk

>Atheists Don't Exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDX6F_O5XB0

>Scooby-Doo and the Case of the Silly Skeptic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrGVeB_SPJg

Atheism is a mental illness


 No.64233

>>64230

Using words such as "bronze-age goat herder", ofcourse he's from Plebbit.

Nu-Atheists always get destroyed in actual debates with Christians, that's why all they can do is shitpost.

Just ignore him from now on.


 No.64238

>>64232

Are you just ignoring the obvious causation? Does it have to be spelled out for you in each instance?

Atheists support all of those things; religious people don't.

This is really quite sad


 No.64253

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>>64235

Hey anon, you dropped this.


 No.64331

>>64206

horseshoe spectrum IS the triangle. Just tilt it around and it still applies. You could even make national socialism the "sane" middle ground and have Lockean and Marxist thought going right and left.


 No.64410

social spectrum charts are all homebrewed crocks of shit that don't have a single speck of reputability. not even academia's adopted motifs of horseshoe theories and intersectionality charts hold up on their own.




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