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File: d661bc20d3ecdf8⋯.jpg (99.22 KB, 1035x359, 1035:359, ChurchAndCapitalism.JPG)

 No.62089

Not sure if this should be in >>>/christian/ but as a libertarian, it seems very hard to rationalize capitalism being accepted by the Vatican.

Excerpt from the Catechism.

 No.62090

I'm an atheist so I really don't know.

However the guys that runs the channel freedom toons is catholic and libertarian.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Cartanimation/featured


 No.62091

>>62090

Yeah I watch those on occasion. Sometimes it's cringy but the effort is there.


 No.62092

>>62089

I'm new to religious matters, but I don't think catechisms are all supposed to be completely authoritative. You can be a Catholic and still think that some of them are mistaken. It depends on how certain the truth of that catechism is. Deviating from them isn't what you should do, obviously, but it won't get you an excommunication or deny you entrance to Heaven.

That's what I gathered. I could very well be wrong. And I'm not happy about the opinion of the Church on capitalism. Pope Francis in particular is a disgrace.


 No.62144

>>62089

i know one catholic ancap


 No.62148

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 No.62149

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 No.62171

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 No.62220

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>>62192

>>Current pope is a Communist

Worse, he is a Satanist. The reason being, that Lucifer was the first communist, since he didn't accept the hierarchy of divine beings imposed by God and wanted equality among them.


 No.62226

>>62089

I actually remember the Catholic church was pretty capitalist back when the Soviet Union was around, and it was a whole interesting state of affairs in regards to the interactions the Pope would have with the Soviet Union in regards to (most spefically Poland).

Of course, things have changed though…


 No.62252

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>>62226

catholic church was supporting solidarność (popiełuszko)

but john paul the second was indeed pretty pro-free-market


 No.68367

File: bed8398db9cb012⋯.jpg (57.65 KB, 545x768, 545:768, bento da nursia.jpg)

I am a libertarian (libertarian, the term that defines "true liberals" according to Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn in "The Four Liberalisms"), since the modern liberal defines himself as an enemy of the state (Raimondo Cubbedu, "Atlas del Liberalismo"), I, who want the destruction of the State, am a libertarian.

I am also a libertarian by "liberal tendencies" (von Kuehnelt-Leddihn), i.e., by having a tendency to permit as much negative liberty ("laissez-faire") as possible, something that, if passed from subjective and relative tendency to something more intransigent, is unacceptable (von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Sardá y Salvany, Mons. Lefebvre, Danilo Castellano).

And finally, I see myself as a libertarian for defending the efficiency of the hoppean private law society in the resolution of conflicts (although i knows its limitations and, like feudalism or "capitalism", it needs to be christianized) and for my intransigent defense of private property, guarantee of liberty (Chesterton, Belloc, Gambra, Fulton Sheen, von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Corrêa de Oliveira) and essential to christian civilization (Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira, Adolpho Lindenberg).

Since Gary North and Rousas Rushdoony are considered libertarians, i see no reason why a catholic like me should not be considered as such.


 No.68371

>>68367

You sound like my nigger, fam.


 No.68390

>>62220

>since he didn't accept the hierarchy of divine beings imposed by God and wanted equality among them.

Where? I explicitly remember Satan wanting Jesus to worship him.


 No.68391

The "capitalism" in question refers more to the organization of society around the celebration of wealth, which is an unfair characterization of libertarian thought. Free market economics and respect for property rights enable the practice of any system you like. If you wish to practice strict theological compliance in your covenant community, and do things like ban usury or put upper limits on wealth accumulation, that's perfectly acceptable. This is even more useful for creating pious Catholic communities than liberal democracy because it extends beyond economic concerns.

And let's be honest, the Jesuits have been infiltrated by democratic socialists, and are now, in turn, infiltrating the highest branches of the church. Call me a heretic, I don't care.


 No.68401

Seeing this thread makes me feel much better about my faith and politics.


 No.68608

File: 7ec4acb17241eeb⋯.jpeg (253.65 KB, 686x385, 98:55, Chapel.jpeg)

>>62226

The Pope may change but Catholic doctrine does not change. it could only be changed if the Pope makes an "Ex Cathedra" statement in which his word would then be infallible. In the past 200 years we have had some BAD Popes but they have never been able to change doctrine or destroy the church. As a Catholic I believe that is because it is because Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the church. Read some Aquinas fam and come to us. You know you want to.

If you are a lecture lover / podcast guy I reccomend Peter Kreeft, one of my favorite lecturers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp0tIhW1YyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F7eIrh80V8


 No.69622

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 No.69629

>>68608

>Read some Aquinas fam and come to us.

Started that fam, but it's complex af. A level above libertarian theory, which explains why leftists tend to be atheists. If you're too much of a dumbass to understand the relationship between self-ownership and the NAP, then how do you wrap your head around the cosmological proof of God?


 No.72350

>>62089

I am becoming more and more Catholic, grew up Protestant. don't see why it would


 No.72351

>>72350

be a problem




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