No.103631
how many hours a day would average person need to work in order to make a living in free society (ancap)?
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No.103634
>>103631
>that pic
>what is Lend-Lease
Americans were providing the Soviets with 26% of their foodstuff and nearly half of their lead. Were it not for burger gibs the commies would have starved and run out of ammunition.
>shitty question in OP
The LVT don't real. People will work as much or as little as they can please depending on how much they value their leisure time and how much they value their paycheck. There will be NEETs living with their parents who work ten hours a week and live off stale bulk ramen. There will be workaholics working 60 hours a week because they love what they do.
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No.103638
>>103634
i did not acknowledge lvt
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No.103673
>>103634
What is LVT? Can't find anything on it.
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No.103679
>>103673
It's the Labor Theory of Value.
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No.103685
>>103679
Oh great, now we're going to get more Cockshott threads :|.
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No.103728
>>103631
>>103634
It also tries to pretend that dying a whole lot is useful in the grand scheme of things. It was either made by a Tankie or a Russian.
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No.103732
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No.103733
>>103728
It was a Tankie, you can tell because they wrote "Soviet Union" instead of "Russia." The demonizing of the US and use of the word "nazis" contributes to this.
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No.103741
>>103732
Show me on the doll where the burger touched you.
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No.103851
>>103631
There is no way of knowing for certain, and it depends largely on the level of economic development, but if we presume an economy roughly as developed as the modern United States and eliminate the state, we can start to get some idea.
Get rid of the personal income tax, and that's already a sizable chunk of cash back in the average worker's pocket. Removing corporate income tax also increases the amount of revenue the company has available to offer its employees, driving wages up. Getting rid of regulatory burdens should have the same effect, as well as reducing the cost of goods by increasing competition from other firms. Removing tariffs further lowers prices both directly and indirectly.
So counting personal and corporate income tax, property tax, sales tax, tariffs, and taxes on particular goods, lets assume conservatively that the average American pays about 40% of their income in taxes. I've seen it claimed the government on average tends to waste 80% of tax revenue on overpaying for goods and maintaining a bloated bureaucracy. Lets be conservative again and call it 50%, since the public-private partnership model (the state is still involved, just less so) provides the services the government used to at half the cost. Regulatory burdens make up 30% of the national income (2018), and while that disproportionately affects the poor, lets just be conservative again and stick to that 30%.
So speaking extremely conservatively, you are no longer paying 40% of your income in taxes and 30% of your income in regulatory burdens, and paying roughly 20% of your income for private municipal services.
Your original income was 100% - 40% - 30% = 30% for living expenses and other uses.
Your stateless income is 100% - 20% = 80% for living expenses and other uses.
So your net pay has changed from 30% to 80%, which is 8/3, or 233% of what it was.
So if you figure that the average worker had to work 40 hours to stay afloat before, a worker being paid at the same rate would be able to afford the same lifestyle on 3/8 or 37.5% as much labor, working out to 15 hours a week.
That's not taking into account the benefits of deflation on those workers' savings and retirement accounts.
It's all napkin math, but I tried to keep my figures conservative to counteract that. It's an interesting exercise.
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No.103852
>>103851
Oops, the question was per day. Assuming a 5-day work week, that'd be 3 hours. Or you could knock it out in two 8-hour days.
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No.103853
>>103851
>233%
I fucked up. That's 267%. Didn't use it for other numbers though, so everything else checks out.
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No.103880
>>103631
> 1-2~ K/D vs 4-1~ K/D
lmao
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No.103987
>>103852
but in ancap american workers would not be protected from foreign competitors…
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No.103988
>>103987
>le protectionist tariff maymay
Disprove comparative advantage or git out.
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No.104019
>>103988
i did not support protectionism, im not even american lol
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No.104024
>>103987
So there would be more price competition and their capital investment would shift away from industries that are less efficient for them, enhancing the effects of their comparative advantage. Some of that is accounted for in the broad category of "regulatory burden", but there is no way to quantify the extent of the benefit, which is why I mentioned the rapid economic development that would have to result from such a scenario.
Competition in the marketplace is a good thing, even for the competitors. Even if nominal wages go down, the increased economic activity means that the supply of goods and services is increasing. Since we're not projecting a sudden population explosion (industrialization tends to cause population growth to level off), that means the general demand for those goods and services isn't increasing at the same rate. When supply increases relative to demand, there's more stuff to go around. Everyone's purchasing power improves.
I didn't even touch the impact of capital investment on labor requirements. One could write entire books on each facet of this scenario.
The punchline is that this lack of so-called "protection" is a good thing, and only reinforces the point.
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No.104074
>>104024
is ancap good for the weak as well?
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No.104076
>>104074
Yeah, no worries, you're good.
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No.104197
>>103631
>ussr saved europe
You call turning half of Europe into a shithole, that would have probably had a better standard of living under Hitler, "saving europe"?
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No.104405
>how many hours a day would average person need to work in order to make a living in free society (ancap)?
Zero. Because it's not work if you enjoy doing it and happen to get money in the process.
Realistically about 10-20 hours a week would probably be enough to cover all basic necessities, 30 hours to have basic luxuries, and then there wouldn't be a significant increase in one's wealth until you hit the 60+ hour mark since that would be the kind of work CEOs and non-automatizable job roles would probably be required to put in by their employer, though those sorts of jobs would likely see rotating shifts to keeps workers at top productivity and to allow them time to spend their hard-earned cash, such as having a week off every other week or something similar. The average employer would likely require about 16-28 hours/week from their employees though, even if the employee only needed to work 10 hours to survive.
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No.104406
>>104405
My estimates were largely intuition based on the amount that's taken out in taxes combined with worker productivity averages, but it's nice to see >>103851 matches up with that guestimate.
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No.104408
>>104405
what in the fuck is that image?
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No.104421
>>104408
What, you don't remember the fiasco where /pol/ was reporting camwhores to the IRS for not paying taxes right before the Aussie/New Zealand shit happened?
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No.104427
>>104421
Oh the Thot Audit. Funny how in retrospect it was a flash in the pan sort of thing.
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No.104711
>>104427
>thot audit
was it a /pol/ initiative?
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No.104728
>>104711
More like someone was joking around about turning camwhores in to the IRS only for people to realize it would be fucking hilarious (followed by camwhores thinking their nigger ex-boyfriends were the ones turning them in leading to more hilarity).
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No.104788
>>104421
Was it a job of fullchan or halfchan pol?
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No.104801
>>104788
I haven't browsed halfchan in years, faggot. Why would it be there?
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No.104823
>>104801
i preffer halfchan pol to fullchan pol
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No.104826
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No.104892
>>104826
leave /liberty/ you fucking neetsoc
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No.104907
>>104892
>implying that /liberty/ is cuckchan
kill yourself you colossal faggot
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No.104955
>>104907
ancap tolerates faggots though
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No.104970
>>104955
Butt pirates will be expelled from my covenant community along with all other deviants.
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No.104977
>>104955
you will definitely not be tolerated in any realistic ancap community since faggots generally have a higher time preference and get infested with aids all the time and therefore predominantly vote for statism, you will be the first on the day of the rope.
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No.104986
>>104970
>>104977
Actually, people who saying "I will literally murder anyone I don't like" will be excluded from any and all communities because they'd only serve to destabilize a functioning one.
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No.104991
>>104986
>not reading the posts so you can virtue signal about them instead
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No.105069
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No.105143
>>104991
Shit dude, you got me. I was just trying to virtue signal to all the people on this board. So they can see me, Anonymous with no flag, as the beautiful genius I am. You're not witty, flagfag, nor should you Ferengipost.
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No.105145
>>105143
>implying that you can't virtue signal anonymously
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No.105627
>>103631
>how many hours a day would average person need to work in order to make a living in free society (ancap)?
You wouldn't work. Your sex robot would get up early in the morning, go to work at its shitty job, come home late pissed off just as you feel asleep, and rape you.
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No.105640
>>103631
>THE TRUTH
USA's KDR: 4.44
USSR's KDR: 0.49
lol get wrecked commie scum
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No.105641
>>105627
replace "sex robot" with "husband" and you've just described the average American's life
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No.105746
>>105640
>
lol'd
funny
but ak4ually the ussr definitely made a greater contribution
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No.105760
>>105641
That's why I never have girlfriends. I have girls as friends.
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