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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.103137

Semi-/liberty/ related:

Can anyone post that "meme" (for lack of a better word) where it makes fun of how Neo-Nazis tried to argue that Hitler "tried" to make "peace" with Britain, despite the Third Reich repeatedly betraying promises and diplomatic agreements, and the last panel of the comic has Hitler reeee-ing about "HURR DURR CHURCHILL LET COMMUNISM RISE IN EUROPE REEEEEEE"?

I need it so I can post it to "BTFO" nazi-fags.

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 No.103142

>>103137

I don't have that. But if you go to /k/ and start giving (yous) to the Magyar, he'll tell you a delightfully bizarre story about how the Magic Mustache Man was psy-opped into attacking Britain by Jews. Apparently, he was given the impression that a grand show of strength would make the Bongs surrender immediately and ally with him, which is the real reason Hitler committed so many resources to the Battle of Britain, despite the strategic impracticality of it. See, it wasn't a strategic error, but 4d chess.

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 No.103145

>>103137

I don't have it either. The best I can offer is the story of how Nazi Germany took ten days to openly break the Reichskonkordat it had with the Catholic Church. I am also aware that one of their top-scholars denied the principle "pacta sunt servanda", and Hitler himself had a very cynical view of international law in Mein Kampf. Lots of anecdotal evidence of them breaking treaties or supporting such behavior, but in history, anecdotal evidence is immensely important.

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 No.103181

>>103137

>preserve the white race by making enemies

Preserving it by miscegenation works better, right

>Muslims hate the Jews

Muslims deal with Jews in the Middle East, we deal with them here. Much 'cleaner' and involves less grooming gangs / terror attacks

>Let the Jews live in Israel

Why not lol

>Karl Marx knows his shit

Genetic fallacy.

>If we let them take our guns

Said no NEETsucc

>Socialism is great when it's national

Problem classcuck?

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 No.103182

>>103137

>Britcucks roam round the world conquering random Africans and forcing them to be 'British subjects'

>still has the nerve to complain about Germany 'conquering' German lands to create a united republic

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 No.103184

File: 2e3d5fc6df76eac⋯.jpg (288.23 KB,1024x1022,512:511,3822131471_b82b4809d7_b.jpg)

File: ed765fd9df2eda4⋯.png (141.02 KB,1280x893,1280:893,Münchner_abkommen5_en.svg.png)

The most crystal clear evidence of Hitler lying was his speech on the Sudetenland question in September 26, 1938, in which he claims the lands in question were Germany's very last territorial claim:

http://www.greatspeeches.net/2013/05/adolf-hitler-no-more-territorial-demands.html

http://comicism.tripod.com/380926.html

>This is the last territorial demand I have to make in Europe, but it is a demand on which I will not yield.

>if this problem is solved, there will be no further territorial problems in Europe for Germany.

Another questionable statement made in the same speech was:

>What happened then, you know. The infamous international world set at Germany. Germany had: not called upon one man. It never thought of solving this problem militarily.

The Wehrmacht very much did draft plans for a military invasion (Fall Grün) and there are plenty of reasons to believe Hitler was willing to set this plan in motion if no diplomatic solution was achieved.

His main statement of Germany's total absence of any territorial claims post-Munich was repeatedly proved a lie in the coming year.

The most obvious violation was, of course, Danzig. In 1938 Germany had no more territorial problems. In 1939 it somehow got a new one. In 1938 Germany had no more territorial demands. In 1939 it somehow had new ones to make. But Hitler didn't lie, no, he never lied at all. NEETsocs will likely respond that what was being asked was a plebiscite, that it had to be done urgently because of brutal ethnic opression of Volksdeutsche [insert pictures of a massacre that took place after the German invasion] and so on.

Another violation was in March 1939, when hyperpacifistic Germany with no expansionistic intentions whatsoever occupied the remainder of Bohemia and Moravia and made it into a puppet state. Though Hitler described the new protectorate as historic Lebensraum, this was not de jure an annexation and so NEETsocs have their excuse. The Czechs considered themselves the victims of naked imperialism but it's not like NEETsocs would care.

What's most damning is the obscure annexation of Memel, also in March 1939.

>Rumors had reached the Lithuanian government to the effect that Germany had specific plans to take over Klaipėda. On 12 March Foreign Minister Urbšys represented Lithuania at the coronation of Pope Pius XII in Rome. On his return to Lithuania he stopped in Berlin with the hope of clarifying the growing rumors.[7] On 20 March Ribbentrop agreed to meet with Urbšys, but not with Kazys Škirpa, who was asked to wait in another room. The conversation lasted for about 40 minutes.[9] Ribbentrop demanded the return of Klaipėda to Germany and threatened military action. Urbšys relayed the verbal ultimatum to the Lithuanian government. Because the ultimatum was never set down in writing and did not include a formal deadline, some historians have downplayed its import, describing it as a "set of demands" rather than as an ultimatum.[11] However, it was made clear that force would be used should Lithuania resist, and it was warned not to seek help from other nations. While a clear deadline was not given, Lithuania was told to make a speedy decision and that any clashes or German casualties would inevitably provoke a response from the German military.[9]

We know from Hitler's speech in September 1938 that Germany was fine with its borders and did not wish to demand a single more square km of land from any other European state. Hitler said it, so it was true. Yet it got this strip of land from Lithuania. What must we conclude? That the 40-minute conversation was just friendly chatter and Ribbentrop never asked for anything. Lithuania loved Germany so much Urbšys simply spontaneously offered Memel and Ribbentrop had no choice but to accept this generous offer. Later on Jews rewrote history to claim Ribbentrop made a territorial demand and backed it with force. Or perhaps Ribbentrop truly made a demand and thus Hitler lied about the absence of further demands.

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 No.103185

It gets worse. Their conversation led to a treaty formally ceding Memel to Germany. The treaty's fifth article states:

>Article IV: In order to strengthen their decision and to safeguard the friendly development of relations between Germany and Lithuania, both sides assume the obligation neither to proceed against the other by force nor to support an attack from a third side against one of the two sides.

"nor to support an attack from a third side against one of the two sides". Hmm. As you may remember, something unpleasant happened to Lithuania in 1940. What did Germany think of that? Well, we have written evidence of Berlin's position:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/German-Soviet_Boundary_and_Friendship_Treaty_28_September_1939#Secret_Supplementary_Protocol

>The Secret Supplementary Protocol signed on August 23,1939, shall be amended in item to the effect that the territory of the Lithuanian State falls to the sphere of influence of the U.S.S.R.

>As soon as the Government of the U.S.S.R. shall take special measures on Lithuanian territory to protect its interests, the present German-Lithuanian border, for the purpose of a natural and simple boundary delineation, shall be rectified in such a way that the Lithuanian territory situated to the southwest of the line marked on the attached map should fall to Germany.

So Germany promised by treaty that it would never support any move on Lithuania's sovereignty and then, again by treaty, broke this promise just a few months later by giving Stalin a free hand to """"""take special measures on Lithuanian territory to protect its interests"""""". NEETsocs will reply something on the line that Germany did not militarily support the occupation of the Baltics and therefore the German-Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty never at any moment contradicted the Lithuania-Germany Treaty. Ah, technicalities.

The text of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, particularly Article II of its Secret Protocol, may also be of interest:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#Article_II_2

>In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish state, the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narev, Vistula and San.

"In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish state". In hindsight and understanding that geopolitics is a cynical subject, it is obvious that such a "territorial and political rearrangement was planned in advance. This doesn't mean Germany wanted to crush Poland and could imply merely a territorial rearrangement in and around the Corridor. But the following sentence is more curious:

>The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish state and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments.

Does this sound like a statement of peaceful and benign intentions towards Poland?

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 No.103194

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 No.103231

>>103194

>invading and occupying territory is okay if it brings material progress

Absolutely disgusting. Would you be okay being invaded by China and treated as a second class citizen if it meant you could buy more plastic shit?

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 No.103232

>>103231

Anyway the point is invasion of other countries was not and is not a justification for war. Britain only adopted that standard as an excuse to involve itself in continental affairs.

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 No.103258

>>103231

had niggers had property rights before brits arrived?

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 No.103302

>>103258

They defended their territory from invaders

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 No.103309

>>103302

that territory was not their since they had no property rights

prove me wrong

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 No.103456

>>103137

my fucking god.. Agent Boomer - gtfo

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 No.103462

File: 91b3e9c2be7e86b⋯.jpg (553.2 KB,1254x1787,1254:1787,1504909532235.jpg)

Just to recap

>Hitler builds up Germanys military almost immediately after gaining power in 1933, a clear violation of the terms of Versailles, but both Britain and France let this slide in good faith because no one wants another European war

>March 1936: Hitler moves his military into the Rhineland(occupied by the French after WW1) which can clearly be read as an act of aggression against France and a violation of the Versailles treaty, but again, both European powers let this slide in the name of peace.

>March 1938: Hitler has Nazi party sympathizers and agents stir up shit in Austria which eventually leads to a coup and then annexation by Germany, a very hostile action. Once again, Britain and France let this slide and do nothing (Mussolini was actually the one who was most angry about this and wanted to act against Hitler for his aggression and threatening Italy through this action)

>Hitler then starts making demands on Czechoslovakian territory of the Sudetenland. The Czech government refuses to bend to his demands and promises they will fight him off if he tries to take any of their territory. Seeing this as the final boiling point and catalyst for another European war, British PM Naville Chamberlain interviens and calls together The Munich Conference in September 1938. European leaders are called together in Munich Germany in an attempt to reach a peaceful solution to this altercation between Germany and Czechoslovakia and prevent war from breaking out. And through negotiations, Hitler gets literally everything he was asking for. Europe all agrees to just let him have the Sudetenland and the Czechoslovakian military lays down. All on the promise that Hitler will end his aggressive foreign policy, will make no more demands, and leave the rest of Czechoslovakia alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9r5nRPHSZI

>Hitler betrays his promise to end hostile and aggressive land grabs and an end to hostility with Czechoslovakia when he invades the rest of the country later that year in a move with Italy and Poland also carving out chunks of it. Hitler also establishes the new "independent" country The Slovak Republic "which is really just a satellite state of Germany"

>March 1939: Only 5 whole days after Hitlers complete conquest of Czechoslovakia, his foreign minister outright extorts and threatens Lithuania. They give them the ultimatum of either surrendering the Memel Territory to Germany, or the Wehrmacht will invade and take it by force. Lithuania has no choice but to give into their demands.

>September 1939: Germany made a similar threatening demand to Poland for the control of the Danzig corridor (neo nazis claim they were demanding Danzig itself which Poland refused to hand over, but Poland didnt hold Danzig. It was an independent city state at the time) Poland refuses. Hitler then invades Poland on September 1, 1939 (he had a non aggression pact signed with Poland at the time btw)

Then after all this bullshit, all the attempts to work with Hitler to outright ignoring all the times he violated the Versailles treaty, outright giving him what he wanted, and watching him tear up and go back on any and all agreements he made with other nations the moment it wasnt useful to him any more, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain gave Germany the ultimatum to withdraw its troops from Poland or Great Britain would declare war on Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtJ_zbz1NyY

Hitler behaved like a rabid dog and a school yard bully on a global level. Theres a reason everyone hates him and his name is the go to for "worst guy ever"

This is why later on Churchill was so head strong on standing against Hitler no matter what. It was because he knew that his word was shit and he would betray anyone and cut their throats the moment it was convenient to his ambitions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GvJRbZMEjk

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 No.103463

>>103462

Thank you.

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 No.103470

>>103462

>March 1938: Hitler has Nazi party sympathizers and agents stir up shit in Austria which eventually leads to a coup and then annexation by Germany, a very hostile action. Once again, Britain and France let this slide and do nothing (Mussolini was actually the one who was most angry about this and wanted to act against Hitler for his aggression and threatening Italy through this action)

That was in July 1934, when the Nazis attempted a coup d'etat and murdered Dollfuss in cold blood before getting supressed. A number of Nazis fled into Yugoslavia, which had an anti-Austrian foreign policy at the time and allowed them to safely leave for Germany. Hitler would later repay this favor by annihilating the Yugoslav state. Italy still saw Austria as part of its sphere of influence and mobilized divisions in the Brenner Pass, blocking off any possibility of a German military intervention.

Even before this event, Austrian Nazis were already on a relentless campaign of terrorism and subversion, setting up bombs against public officials and sabotaging rail and telephone lines.

By 1938 Italy had given up on Austria, as after its invasion of Abyssinia it was diplomatically distant from France and Britain. Mussolini, another man of honor, simply backstabbed the Austrian state. Austrian Nazis didn't launch an armed uprising. What kicked off the Anschluss was Hitler "convincing" Schuschnigg to relax his supression of Austrian Nazism.

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 No.103472

Fucking kill yourself and then go back to reddit you cringelord

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 No.103473

>>103232

Geopolitical illiteracy

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 No.103476

File: e6beb7a7a5b9c2d⋯.png (231.56 KB,1828x1896,457:474,anglo raging at german nor….png)

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