/liberty/ -we know that free trade increases real wealth, since people have more goods at better prices, resources are best allocated, international division of labor and so on.The problem is that humans want meaning in their lives, they crave jobs and feeling usef

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Anonymous 06/08/19 (Sat) 20:45:09 No.102910

we know that free trade increases real wealth, since people have more goods at better prices, resources are best allocated, international division of labor and so on.

The problem is that humans want meaning in their lives, they crave jobs and feeling useful.

If you have a person who works part-time, despite living like a king compared to someone from the 50s, he will feel like a bitch and will eventually lean towards natsoc, and no amount of education can stop that.

How do we solve this?

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Anonymous 06/08/19 (Sat) 21:28:48 No.102913

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>If you have a person who works part-time, despite living like a king compared to someone from the 50s, he will feel like a bitch and will eventually lean towards natsoc, and no amount of education can stop that.

It isn't lifestyle that dictates whether or not you're cattle. If a man can't be convinced that freedom is superior to slavery then he should have his precious slavery. Put him in a zoo. Give him, as property, to a man who wishes to act as rancher. Then all parties can be happy.

>natsoc

Perhaps you are cattle as well.

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Anonymous 06/08/19 (Sat) 22:34:53 No.102918

>>102913

Let me rephrase OP in libertarian language.

How do you get people to follow NAP when everyone seems to follow class/wealth envy?

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Anonymous 06/08/19 (Sat) 23:26:52 No.102921

>>102910

All you've described here is subjective value. If a man values retiring more than working part time and having more money, he'll retire. If he values "fitting in" more than he values retiring, he'll keep working like his friends are doing. How do you "fix" this? You don't. Men are responsible for their own actions and the consequences thereof. If our hypothetical reluctant employee isn't strong enough in will to break peer pressure, that's his loss. All that being said…

Once the Keynesians and their high time-preference monetary policy are physically removed, and the market natural order restored, much of this consumerism which permeates America will fall by the wayside. Once consumerism is out of the way, people like your example will become much less common.

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Anonymous 06/09/19 (Sun) 10:39:34 No.102950

>>102910

>and no amount of education can stop that.

i disagree

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Anonymous 06/09/19 (Sun) 14:34:35 No.102963

>>102950

Explain the results of the ultimatum game.

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Anonymous 06/10/19 (Mon) 12:28:25 No.103003

>>102963

what for?

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Anonymous 06/11/19 (Tue) 01:51:03 No.103007

I think the thing to understand about this is that we are already living in anarcho-capitalist land, and the natural response to anarcho-capitalism is the formation of states. Essentially, liberty is to high-energy a state, and groups of people will naturally move towards lower-energy states, in order to dissipate the energy and create structure. I don't know that I'm explaining this well.

In other words, to answer your question, it cannot be helped. Liberty is for aristocrats. Let the rest of men follow them, and in so far as they can handle liberty, let them have it. Too much and they collapse, too little and they wilt.

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Anonymous 06/11/19 (Tue) 02:13:13 No.103008

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>>103003

Rhetorical question. Point was that if something as simplistic as the ultimatum game still results in bullshit choices from most of humanity, I don't have hope that education will 'change' humans' thoughts on basic economics and trade. That, and depending on education to change humans smacks of "The New Soviet Man."

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Anonymous 06/11/19 (Tue) 06:14:55 No.103014

>>102913

>It isn't lifestyle that dictates whether or not you're cattle, its blood

First post best post. Kill all non-mediterranean. Why peasants when you have machines?

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Anonymous 06/11/19 (Tue) 10:21:38 No.103016

>>103007

By liberty for aristocrats do you mean that natural aristocracy idea that Jefferson was talking about? Also, how are we living in ancapistan already? Do you mean Ancapistan is the base level of a society and then it moves on from there?

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Anonymous 06/11/19 (Tue) 12:52:35 No.103020

>>103008

we need grassroot propaganda and education

in poland mises institute wrote a textbook for high schoolers but i think the textbook was no approved

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Anonymous 06/12/19 (Wed) 00:16:18 No.103054

>>102918

>everyone seems to follow class/wealth envy?

I don't think most people do. It's just that the ones who do tend to be awfully loud about it.

>>102950

Education isn't nearly as influential as incentives.

>>103007

>we are already living in anarcho-capitalist land

"Anarcho-Capitalist Land" is essentially defined by the absence of certain types of institutions, which are very much present. Thus, we are not in "Anarcho-Capitalist Land". Nearly all of the positive elements necessary to produce order in Anarcho-Capitalism are present, but that is not its definition.

>the natural response to anarcho-capitalism is the formation of states

You're going to have to do a lot of work to back that up.

>Essentially, liberty is to high-energy a state, and groups of people will naturally move towards lower-energy states, in order to dissipate the energy and create structure.

What does that even mean? In what sense is liberty "high-energy"? How do you justify conflating liberty with a lack of structure?

>>103020

>we need grassroot propaganda and education

It's nice for recruiting True Believers(TM), but mass adoption doesn't work that way. You have to make your way of doing things materially more appealing than the alternatives. That's not education or propaganda: that's marketing.

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Anonymous 06/12/19 (Wed) 04:14:21 No.103066

>>103054

>What does that even mean? In what sense is liberty "high-energy"?

I think he's trying to make some big-brained chemistry analogy, in which high-energy reactants have a tendency to become low-energy products. The problem with this torturous metaphor is that anarchy is the natural state of affairs to which we always return, and government must constantly interfere with this tendency to maintain its existence. Which is to say, the analogy works in the opposite way from what he tried to imply.

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Anonymous 06/12/19 (Wed) 04:26:29 No.103069

>>103066

I was trying to be somewhat more Socratic with my inquiry so that he could walk himself into that realization.

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