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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.102328

I used to believe in a more ancap-style right-libertarian order, but now I'm starting to see the benefits of having institutions that constitute more than one individual collectively owned. However, even though I think "wage-slavery" as some would call it is undesirable and should definitely be avoided, I don't think it would really be feasible to just outright abolish or pretend that it will not exist entirely in a libertarian order. That being said, I still think some sort of libertarian order would be the most beneficial, and we should progress towards one. And as far as one-man sole proprietor businesses go, the ancap approach generally makes a lot of sense to me. The free-market is cool so long as the autonomy of individuals (assuming they haven't physically assaulted or harmed anyone) is respected and not undermined. Mutual aid is also something that I'd like to see free-markets respect, but the bare minimum I ask for is respect for individual autonomy. It's also important to note that I don't think a state would be able to serve as an ideal arbiter in this system and that I wouldn't be opposed to federations of communes or ancap covenants existing so long as their respected communities properly consent to living in their systems on a basic level and that they don't violently attempt to invade other jurisdictions with no justifiable reason that is able to be confirmed by several legal arbiters (not necessarily ones that run for profit like in a Friedmanian-ancap system either, as I'd imagine a lot of those sorts of organizations that will manage to have any real backing by most libertarian jurisdictions would be the ones that are operated by trained volunteers with no profit incentive). Another thing I should note is that I don't deliberately attempt to adhere to a strict economic school of thought outside of me believing in free-markets that respect individual autonomy, liberty, and to an extent- mutual aid….and I also believe in the subjective theory of value.

On the other hand though- after reading a little bit of Ted Kaczynski's Industrial Society and Its Future, I noticed that Ted actually had some good points that should be considered. I don't find transhumanism/post-humanism to be inherently undesirable, but aspects of it that don't help free the individual from the system of social control that Kaczynski describes should be avoided or countered with some sort of alternative tech. Rather than embracing humans in the more primitive form, we should seek to escape the problem altogether by altering the human condition to the point where there is no human condition to be concerned about- only a post-human condition that truly respects the individual's freedom from the constraints of civilization as we know it. Civilization as we know it should be dissolved into much smaller units of organization, and those units should be dissolved, and so on and so forth until after various transhuman federations dissolve, the newly-born posthuman can be free to do gay space shit at its will. But that's an extremely radical ideal that I probably shouldn't have even typed due to how retarded it sounds.

What's also a bit weird to me is that while I don't believe in states being able to legitimately be justified and while I also don't really consider myself ancap, I agree with the bordertarian ancaps on borders to an extent as of right now in this current state of affairs, as I do not believe that a state relaxing immigration restrictions would be legitimate if that very same state legally restricts your ability to defend yourself or your ability to freely associate. Ideally though, I'd rather like to see no state-enforced borders in later stages of organization.

pic unrelated btw

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 No.102329

>What even am I at this point?

A faggot.

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 No.102338

Δłł γѻμ ηēēԁ is sѻmē ŗēsէ. Kiłł էԩē ċѻmmiēs fѻŗ ԁăԁ, ѡԩēη γѻμ ġēէ băċk, ԁăԁ ѡiłł ġiυē γѻμ sѻmē ηiċē ŗēsէ.

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 No.102339

>no real feedback

Thx /liberty/, it's no wonder this board is thriving right now

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 No.102341

>>102339

Cf >>100308 and its responses.

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 No.102344

>>102328

You're a confused voluntaryist.

>I used to believe in a more ancap-style right-libertarian order, but now I'm starting to see the benefits of having institutions that constitute more than one individual collectively owned.

Collective property rights are perfectly acceptable in libertarian thought, and imo preferable in some instances; aquifers, urban infrastructure and militias are all good examples.

>The free-market is cool so long as the autonomy of individuals (assuming they haven't physically assaulted or harmed anyone) is respected and not undermined.

The best way to ensure that is what happens is to distribute law enforcement. Read the machinery of freedom, it's online and very straightforward (kinda like an anti-Kapital).

>the newly-born posthuman can be free to do gay space shit at its will.

Read Accelerando, by Charles Stross

>I do not believe that a state relaxing immigration restrictions would be legitimate if that very same state legally restricts your ability to defend yourself or your ability to freely associate

That makes you not stupid.

>>102339

You wrote a rambling, incoherent blogpost.

Don't blame people for not taking the time to work through it.

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