/liberty/ -Tackling the logical extreme

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Tackling the logical extreme Anonymous 05/21/19 (Tue) 21:27:33 No.102323

People joke a lot about the NAP and how an ancap would shoot a little kid that wanders into a yard and all that (you know the memes). I fully understand that this case is a logical extreme but in the unlikely chance of it happening would ancapistan have any sort of recourse if a person were to kill an ignorant child for trespassing aside from refusing to trade with them. Is it simply an unfortunate circumstance one has to live with?

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Anonymous 05/21/19 (Tue) 22:13:21 No.102324

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If your response to underage trespassers is to shoot them, the insurance companies that provide you security will see you as a high-risk client. Your premiums will be much higher than the norm, and many will refuse to cover you at all. Beyond that, it's likely that the covenant community in which you reside will have strictest ordnances beyond "don't break the NAP," and if you fail to comply you'll be evicted. Further, both your covenant community and those local businesses that refuse you service will likely submit your information to a blacklist. As a result, you wouldn't be able to escape your reputation by moving, as even new communities would know you as high-risk and wouldn't allow you in. Your only resource would be to live in a slum surrounded by criminals, or move to Shootkiddiesndogs town with the ex-ATF agents.

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Anonymous 05/21/19 (Tue) 22:59:45 No.102325

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>>102323

Stolen from /k/: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

It should be pretty obvious that if being a general asshole in a society that awards you for doing so and punishes people for retribution can get you killed, then the same is true if not more likely in AnCapistan. People don't want to share their community with a child murderer, and it's pretty obvious if someone did it on accident (say, firing a warning shot at the kid who keeps trespassing on a nightly basis and accidentally hitting him because you're retarded with a gun) or if they were a faggot and did it intentionally. Even if they did it intentionally, there'd probably be attempts to rehabilitate the town bully/get him to atone for his crimes before people would resort to physical action because he clearly didn't give a shit about social conventions, and there would very likely be no one who'd try to stop said individual/who'd rat out said individual if they took action into their own hands in AnCapistan. There's proportional response, there's justified disproportional response, and then there's taking things too far. Shooting a kid because you thought he was a tresppasser with a handgun when he graffiti'd your house at 2AM is disproportional but could probably be justified as "you didn't know" but shooting a kid in broad daylight because he happened to step on your lawn is a quick way to get yourself killed by a neighbor who's tired of your bullshit. We should also keep perfect crimes out of this whole mess because who cares if you commit the perfect crime?

tl;dr- Principles are applied in ideal situations, and we must assume that the nature of the game changes when actors don't follow the rules or try to use them in their favor. A free society is not restricted by laws that prevent retribution/vigilante justice against such parasitic or misanthropic behavior the way an enslaved society is restricted.

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Anonymous 05/21/19 (Tue) 23:42:01 No.102326

>>102323

Everything is possible, OP. It's also theoretically possible that it would sometimes rain fish and frogs, but how often does that happen? Things are a lot different in reality.

The reason you're asking this question is because for some reason a lot of ancaps fail to mention that the NAP is not the law, the NAP is simply the foundation for the real law that communities will have if they want to maintain order and increase their property value. So if you're trying to rent houses to people in a neighbourhood, you would probably set rules to make the neighbourhood more attractive to tenants, like kicking out or fining people who throw trash and cigerette butts all over the place, people whose dogs shit on the sidewalk, people who walk around drunk at night, people who shoot you for sweating on their lawn, etc… basically doing your fucking job as the property owner to make it more attractive to new people, something our spineless BO should be doing.

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Anonymous 05/22/19 (Wed) 06:49:31 No.102332

Not directly addreesing the topic, but more as an addendum to the other posts: When a skeptic is considering whether a private alternative would function comparably to a current government system, ask the question: Is the government equivalent really that great?

When you say a system ought to provide "recourse" that carries the implication that such a mechanism be effective. Does our judicial system consistently provide fair and commensurate punishment for crimes (or non-crimes)? Are different groups of people and people guilty of different offenses really treated equally under the law? Do the enforced laws coincide well with local customs and values of a community?

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Anonymous 05/22/19 (Wed) 16:45:14 No.102354

>>102323

private courts

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Anonymous 05/22/19 (Wed) 20:10:35 No.102367

Most likely in ancapistan the child will have a gun so good luck doing that

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Anonymous 05/22/19 (Wed) 20:21:51 No.102368

What Subjective non-altruism?

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Anonymous 06/04/19 (Tue) 08:24:08 No.102752

>>102323

Do you think people generally dislike [problem you've identified]?

Do you think people would prefer that [problem you've identified] were solved?

If so, then there's a profit opportunity in solving [problem you've identified].

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