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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.101356

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 No.101358

This wouldn't happen with bitcoin.

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 No.101359

I would, if you were actually allowed to make your own bank

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 No.101360

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>can't start bank without hefty license fee

>can't get license approved unless you are a good goy

>can get license revoked for being a bad goy

>get thrown in prison for making bank of anything other than Federal Reserve notes

>i-i-it's the free market's fault!

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 No.101361

>>101359

This.

There's a reason so many people have tried to make alternative payment processors and have been cockblocked at every turn.

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 No.101363

>>101359

>>101360

>>101361

absolutely. So, since society can't handle these subtleties maybe ancaps and libertarians could stop shouting "m-muh free markets" for once, and instead support policies that would help us have more freedom in this unfree world.

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 No.101364

>>101363

Yeah because more regulation worked so well before

>el mutto is so in love with big daddy government's dick he would rather bitch at libertarians than push for real change

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 No.101365

>>101364

yes, regulations work. The government exists and it will exist for a long time. So, you either push to have regulations to limit the power of the government and of actors in cahoot with the governments (example: banks) or you die like a lonely bitch.

The only reason why americans, for example, still have free speech and guns is because the government has a constitution which force itself to self-regulate. If there was no constitution, the government would have taken guns and speech a long time ago. Of course I know the ideal situation is ancapstain and blablabla, we all know that you faggots. The problem is with how the situation is now and what it can be done now to get more freedom.

Why can't libertarians understand this? Why the fuck are they so shitty when it comes to law?

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 No.101366

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>>101365

AHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>the government will stop government from taking away our guns and speech freedums

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 No.101367

>>101366

Legal means are the strongest and fastest one when it comes to limit the power of government. If you look at US history, time and time again the government tried to take away free speech or gun rights, but it was possible to push it backs thanks to the amendments. That's how it works outside the fantasy world where suddently everyone becomes ancap due to some cultural revolution.

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 No.101368

>>101367

>Legal

You misspelled "violent revolutions."

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 No.101369

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>>101367

You poor fool… The constitution is just a paper that politicians wipe their asses with. Americans had freedom for so long because of the libertarian principles that their nation was founded on, now explain why every other country became a tyrannical shithole despite also having an perfect piece of paper telling them how shit must be run.

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 No.101370

>>101365

>implying amerimutts still have free speech or guns

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 No.101373

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>>101363

>So, since society can't handle these subtleties

What does this mean? Who is "society," and what about it can't they handle? Idiots are not a threat to anybody besides themselves without a government to enact wishes on their behalf.

>and instead support policies that would help us have more freedom in this unfree world.

Any policy that moves us towards a free market and away from democracy. The less democratic a government is, the less incentive it has to become a socialist shithole. You cannot legislate a government into obedience. At best, you can create a government such that the malicious state actors further their own interests by exploiting you less. Monarchy, not a constitutional republic, is the closest thing to such a government that exists.

>>101365

>yes, regulations work. The government exists and it will exist for a long time. So, you either push to have regulations to limit the power of the government

You can't ask a government to limit itself, it's nothing more than fanciful naivete. Any limitations you create will be reinterpreted to be expansions of power within a handful of years, if that. Look up the Commerce Clause in the Constitution if you'd like to see how 'limiting' that document has really been. Hell, look at the Constitution itself. No one who shills for the Constitution as this great limiter of government seems to remember the fact that the Constitution was the result of massive power grab on the Federalist's part, who replaced the Articles of Confederation with something that gave the federal government a lot more power. Less than ten years into our Union and we had already witnessed a total failure of documentation to limit the government.

>Why the fuck are they so shitty when it comes to law

Libertarians are intimately aware of legal theory. It is precisely because they are so knowledgeable on the subject of law that they understand what at a useless farce it truly is.

>>101367

>If you look at US history, time and time again the government tried to take away free speech

Considering the things that will happen to your life if you make even a single observation about mean IQ scores I hesitate to believe this.

>or gun rights

You mean like how the NFA was repealed? And the GCA? And the Hughes Amendment? And the George Sr/Clinton import bans? And the Obama import bans? Not even the AWB was successfully repealed, it expired. It had a ten year limit and that limit ran out, without any action being taken against it.

>That's how it works outside the fantasy world where suddently everyone becomes ancap due to some cultural revolution.

Stop thinking about things in terms of revolution. No good has ever come from a revolution, especially not a people's revolution. Those who seek to overthrow the central government end up replacing it. The path to freedom is secession–to minimize or eliminate the authority of government on your locality, on your everyday life. The American war for independence, for all its flaws, was able to secure some degree of freedom for its proponents. This is because it was a secession from England rather than an attempt to overthrow it.

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 No.101374

Well, as it usually ends up with libertarians, fuck you for supporting the banks which will be able to keep supporting leftism and socialism, while you rot poor and unable to spread your philosophies.

This is why you will always be treated as cucks and bootlickers.

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 No.101375

>>101374

>fuck you for supporting the banks which will be able to keep supporting leftism and socialism

Please point to the poster that "supported the banks" for us, so we know of whom you're talking.

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 No.101376

>>101375

if you are against making laws to stop the banks from banning conservatives and libertarians because "m-muh gubmnenetns" then you are a cuck and bootlicker and a bank lover.

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 No.101380

This doesn't get brought up as much but a lot of this deplatforming began with Operation Chokehold by the Feds.

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 No.101384

>>101365

>muh cuckstitution will prevent tyranny

Then explain mass surveillance, gun control, Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Fed, endless war, etc.

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 No.101385

>>101376

I would prefer if the government got rid of the laws that enable a small number of banks to wield such power in the first place, but I see no problem with using the state to restrict the power of firms that have obviously benefitted from the state, e.g. Goldman Sachs, Facebook. But I don't think that's going to happen, because the state is sponsored by these entities already, and the media either slanders or blackouts anyone who tries to enter politics with the goal of ending tyranny. Just look what they did to Ron Paul.

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 No.101386

>>101384

not prevent, but slow the fuck down and make it more difficult.

Take the difference between the UK and the US. Very similar culture, decently similar genetics. Yet, one country is a place where you get arrested because you twitted something "wrong" and can't buy a butter knife, while in the US you can write whatever you want and own guns.

Why is that? The UK didn't have any constitutional protection, so the first politician with a hitch to scratch could pass whatever the shit he wanted. Meanwhile in the US you need a big majority and then there is the supreme court and the fact that people are more easily educated in what are the basic rules of the society and that they include the government shall make no laws against freedoom of speech and that US citizens can have guns.

Of course this system is not perfect, but it's what we have now and what we have to work with. If you want perfectionism just look at communism and see the results.

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 No.101387

>>101356

just create your bank bro

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 No.101399

>>101376

>if you are against making laws to stop the banks from banning conservatives and libertarians because "m-muh gubmnenetns"

Point to someone advocating for such a law. All I see are people pointing out that these banks effectively are the government. I have no problem with using state violence against people that would seek to use the same against me.

>>101386

There's a world of difference between acknowledging that the Constitution is occasionally useful as a speedbump and claiming that it's some all-powerful document capable of stopping big government in its tracks. It has some utility at present, but it's still fundamentally deficient as a preventative measure and should be replaced by something even more limiting at the earliest convenience.

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