No.32335
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No.32337
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No.32354
I don't want a leader, I just want to be kind
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No.32387
Putin is very kind
See >>31007
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No.32680
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No.32692
>>32680
I find this man's statements to be very logical; especially if the society is a violent or corrupt one. Death penalty is a good deterrent
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No.32723
>>32692
Yes, America is truly a land of peace and safety for all.
It's understandable that you want people to suffer and die, but you can't pretend it's actually an effective policy.
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No.32724
>>32723
>he doesn't support the death penalty
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No.32727
>>32692
>>32724
The death penalty isn't an effective deterrent. Most people who commit crimes either don't consider the consequences of their actions or just think that they won't get caught.
The death penalty is only a punitive measure, meaning it's more about fulfilling our own need for revenge than actually benefiting society. In most cases, rehabilitation is a much more humane option. I would hypothetically support the death penalty in cases where the criminal was beyond rehabilitation, but that still doesn't sit right with me, because it's impossible to know that for sure.
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No.32728
>>32727
If it's impossible to know If someone can't be rehabilitated how can you possibly know with certainty if someone is actually capable of being rehabilitated or know if it actually worked after the process.
I'm not in favor of the death penalty either. Though I think rehabilitation is a pipedream. The government should just stop enforcing laws all together. I mean people are going to commit crime anyway. Even rehabilitation is punative as it would require a government to kidnap the individual and steal their precious/limited time.
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No.32729
>>32727
>The death penalty is only a punitive measure, meaning it's more about fulfilling our own need for revenge than actually benefiting society. In most cases, rehabilitation is a much more humane option. I would hypothetically support the death penalty in cases where the criminal was beyond rehabilitation, but that still doesn't sit right with me, because it's impossible to know that for sure.
If you rehabilitate a criminal and he ends up being a productive member of society, he'll only end up producing children with the same faults:
>don't consider the consequences
>think that they won't get caught
You merely begin the cycle anew. Especially if your rehabilitation is successful that the criminal "seemed like such a normal guy" and "wow who would have expected this" as is the tired refrain you hear when reading about particularly gruesome crimes these days.
Death, or at least sterilization is what is necessary for us all to benefit. Death being preferable because keeping a person alive costs everyone money, and releasing him comes with a risk of recidivism, no matter how small.
Haven't posted in this thread before, by the way.
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No.32731
>>32723
I'm not an amrifat anon so i don't know what America has to do with the death penalty.
I've seen the benefits of having the death penalty enforced as well as the detriments of having criminals spared due to "humanitarian reasons ". In the case of enforcing the death penalty, crime dropped significantly whereas when we stop hanging scum, the crime rate soared. Criminals actually do consider the consequences of their actions. If the consequence is free food and board if caught, they have nothing to fear. Not hanging them is essentially telling them "continue on robbing the innocent ".
>>32727
It's difficult to properly measure the impact or effectiveness of something like the death penalty properly. There are a myriad of other considerations such as culture, unemployment rates, demographics, economic factors, social factors etc. Any studies comparing different countries or states or comparing crime before and after the change in law will often not take these other factors into consideration.
Based on my observations, the death penalty appears to be effective. My opinions are based on observing my home country, Trinidad
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No.32736
>>32731
Wait, how do you observe crime rates in your country? Are you a data scientist?
I'm not sure about death penalty, but I'm absolutely sure most people who commit extreme crimes don't give a fuck about the consequences. They've been in psychological or physical pain for too long, or became too detached to care. Some have disorder that make them unable to control their impulses since birth.
IMO do whatever is cheaper: prison or death penalty
Move saved money to fund studies in behavioral biology, to study mind of the criminals
I'm all in technocracy. Technocracy will either doom us or save us. 50/50 chance. Perhaps I have mind of criminal because I'm willing to take the risk
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No.32737
Obviously it's difficult for person who worries about dying to fathom someone not caring about it.
Fear of death comes with existential depression, but on the other hand, not fearing death comes with general apathy and detachment. The cost of being able to look at the big picture (and thus not fearing death) is loss of passion. Passion is typical for more engaged people. In fact, even fear of death itself can be a motivating factor. Whereas detached person who doesn't care about death will sleep their life away because it doesn't matter for them
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No.32749
>>32731
Just curious, which crimes do you think are worthy of the death penalty?
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No.32750
>32749
>what crimes i think are worthy of death penalty
Rape and murder. real rape; i.e. men with weapons restrain and gang rape a poor woman. Not the " i said yes but I was drunk so you are a rapist " type of rape.
Violent robbery resulting in grievous injury or near death of the victim (s)
Theft or corruption resulting in the loss or pilfering of large sums of money (>1 million usd $)
Illegal gun trafficking/importation
Importation or exportation of narcotics. Selling and distribution of illegal narcotics locally. The death penalty would be enacted upon only on those moving large quantities. The death penalty therefore shouldn't be applied to a small time weed man or pusher
Child prostitution/trafficking
>>32736
My means of observation is simply tracking the number of murders per year. It went down when the brown government was in power because they actually hanged drug lords. With time slick lawyers kept appealing the death penalty on the grounds of it being inhumane. Crime rate went back up and surpassed the old highs. Crime always goes back up when the black party is back in power. . And that party seems to have no motivation to see that the courts enforce the death penalty. Go figure.
I'm posting from a cell phone but the lowest murder statistic comes from when hangings were enforced. See the two links. Also no, I'm not a data scientists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dole_Chadee
http://www.ttcrime.com/stats.php
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No.32758
>>32727
This holds very much true for cozy first world countries but in the third, money wasted to rehabilitate is a grave insult to all who struggle to survive without ever having done much wrong.
Kindness in the court is a luxury.
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No.32790
I want a kind, cool, stoic leader.
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No.32799
Every candidate for leader of my country is either utterly corrupt garbage or too irrelevant to have a chance. I just want a leader who's competent, qualified, and not a criminal.
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No.32863
>>32799
May I ask what country?
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No.33365
trump seems like a pretty kind guy to me. shame that my family are all liberal drones
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No.33366
>>32335
I LOVE BIG TITTIES!
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No.33367
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No.33404
>>33367
It's never going to happen then.
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No.33414
>>33367
I'm so sorry Anon.
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No.34490
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No.34494
>Kim Jong-un
He's a joke in himself, North Korea is a funny country but only exists as a buffer zone so the west won't be on China's backdoor
>Saddam Hussein
Necessary evil who had the best welfare system in the world and the only Ba'athist to stick to Israel.
>Khadafi
Brown Hitler, government was direct democracy done right and economically was national syndicalism with an Islamic twist, was a legitimately good guy.
>Hitler
I don't need to explain him but from my point of view he was an alright guy, lots of fucking spirit, probably a beta Asperger, at worst a lucky idiot.
>>34490
>killed all the rich instead of reintegrating them into society
>killed all the beautiful people because he deemed they would be intellectuals and overthrow him, why be afraid of intellectuals if your ideology would work
>killed non-Bolshevik communists, not like those guys wouldn't do the same to the Bolsheviks, each have their own interpretation of that failed idelogy
>propaganda included letting foreigners come into Russia en-masse, specifically Turks
>what was the Cheka
>within three years people resorted to cannibalism because there was no food, this mass hunger didn't end until the 50s
>replaced by someone arguably worse who killed more than him and deported my people and minorities to god knows where so that what remained could be absolved into Georgia
I fell for the bait but this needs to be said. The CCCP did not make a free state of equalized men but a tyrannical police state with failed economics, it was shittier than life under Nicholas II.
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No.34495
>>34494
>hitler
>an alright guy.
surely you jest
>he just wanted to end the great depression and make germans happy again
if he really did he shouldn't have blitzed poland and start one of the worst atrocities in human history.
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No.34497
>>34495
Germans were being genocided in Poland and relations between the two countries were good under Pilsudski until his apprentice came in and shit on everything Hitler and Pilsudski built.
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No.34511
>>34490
>killing rich people because they are rich
>starving millions of Ukrainians
Wow so nice.
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No.34532
>>34511
>Ukrainians
>a failed state that would rather let their lower caste starve to death than admit communism is wrong
>not a bunch of bullies
Nah, Putin was the cool guy in the playgroun; he just acted after seeing how shitty the local bully was treating his his own crew.
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No.34533
>>34497
i do not know much about ww2 but
what about the millions of jews and non-jews that were unjustly murdered and mistreated? the other countries he annexed against their will (holland, denmark, etc). i get that it wasn't all his fault as highest ranking official i believe he holds at least some responsibility for the warcrimes germany comitted. especially in that type of government
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No.34538
>>32335
I LOVE BIG TITTIES!
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No.34546
>>34533
The Jews were being kicked out of Germany but not killed, since he was elected he was sending Jews to Palestine with funds to go start a life there ancestral land.
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No.34548
>>32680
How long has this guy been president? Best 2016 newcomer for sure, hope he makes friends with China and Russia.
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No.34748
>>32335
I LOVE BIG TITTIES!
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No.34749
>>34533
Don't listen to the Nazis' lies, Hitler was a horrible person.
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No.34751
>>32692
The controversy around this man is about extra-judicial killings, not the death penalty.
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No.34754
I have a car, but no insurance
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No.35047
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No.35052
>>32335
I LOVE BIG TITTIES!
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