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3889d2  No.651453[Last 50 Posts]

So, recently I've become old enough to purchase a handgun and I'm looking for some advice on a good model. Right now a few that I like are

>M9 (of course)

>XD(M)

>P320-M17

Any thoughts on what I should try as my first? I want something that'll last a good few years and preferably either 9mm, .380, or .40

Also I'm not very much an expert on handguns at all so any advice on parameters like ergonomics, consistent firing, sights, durability, etc. is much appreciated anon

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0629a5  No.651463

>>651453

.380 ACP is inadequate and defensive ammo more often than not fails to expand. 9mm Makarov is the bare minimum for CC, and 9mm Parabellum should be your lightest choice unless you have a specific pistol in mind for the Mak. 9x19 is by far more effective and available than both of those two. .40 S&W is mostly a meme and is often plagued by manufacturers just converting their 9mm pistols, leading to reliability and service life issues. It also costs more and has less ammo options compared to 9x19 or .45 ACP, with questionable increase in effectiveness largely dependent on your load choice.

Don't buy Springfield products. The company is anti-gun, and besides that, all the XD is is a Better Glock. They have short barrels, annoyingly short recoil springs, and weird weight balance that give them really nasty recoil for seemingly no reason. They're also rather pricy for what they are.

M9s are just overpriced 92Fs, and you can get a police trade-in 92, 92S, 92F, or 92G for usually under $300. Often those are seldom fired and have a lot of life left in them. Be aware that early variants use a heel magazine release, and those magazines will be rarer and will not be interchangeable with the new button release ones.

P320s are cute, but the P229 is a better option for a carry gun and will definitely cost a lot less.

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b9382c  No.651470

>>651463

>.380 ACP

Shame, I was looking at getting a Cheetah. Don't forget about magnums, .357 SIG, 7.62x25, 10mm and .38 Super.

>The company is anti-gun

We need to compile a list of anti-gun and pro-gun companies.

>XD

What about direct imports from Croatia?

>M9s are just overpriced 92Fs

What's the difference?

>P320s are cute

Didn't these fail drop tests?

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5ae028  No.651471

I'm planning on going through the cancerous effort required to get a handgun license, and I have decided for my first one to be the CZ 97B

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0629a5  No.651473

>>651470

>other cartridges

Yeah, I was just going with what's simple and common since this is a first gun. I'm thinking about trading my RIA in .45 for a 10mm service size pistol soon myself, but I wouldn't recommend 10mm Auto for any newbie. 7.62 Tokarev is nice but your commercial ammo choice can be slim.

>XD vs. HS2000

I think it's literally just rebranding, as in, my understanding is that the Croatian company exports the guns to Springfield on contract and Springfield replaces the grips and adds their markings. Someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that, but I've definitely never seen anything to suggest XDs are made locally.

>M9 and P320

The P320s did supposedly fail the Army safety test, but honestly, I haven't seen any independent testing done and I find it unlikely that SIG USA (not Sig Sauer in this case), even under (((Cohen's))) management, would deliberately sell a dangerous gun. They have a reputation to uphold. More strangely, why would the Army intentionally adopt a dangerous gun? That doesn't really pass the smell test. You can't eat shit and then complain later that it tasted bad, if you knowingly ate shit.

The M9 is a 92FS (not an F, that was a typo before; even then the difference between the F and FS is minute) with a different serial number and military markings stamped on, mostly, but there are a few very tiny differences such as iron sight paint, a couple of slightly different angled cuts like the trigger guard and dust cover, an unnoticeable difference in the shape of the grip frame, and I think the 92FS actually has stronger pins in the trigger group.

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a6a492  No.651476

File: 05e77ba8c5e67da⋯.jpg (113.75 KB, 800x800, 1:1, cz-75-p-01.jpg)

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P-09

SP-01

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0629a5  No.651477

>>651476

Seconding the CZ 75. Even a pre-B is golden.

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623041  No.651478

>>651476

>>651477

For a my first handgun I got a CZ 75 Compact a short while ago, and it's pretty great. Can't really go wrong with CZ.

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e2418f  No.651479

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Don't let others sell you their preferences as far as specific guns go. The only universal advice to give is to go to a range that has a rental rack and try some out. A gun you hate shooting and carrying isn't going to do much for you when you leave it at home. Once you've shot some do as much research as possible. it'd suck ass to buy a gun only to find out it's built by Century Arms tier monkeys and is more of a danger to yourself rather than others.

Caliber is a different bag of oranges altogether though. I'm not a ballistician nor will i pretend to be. I carry a 1911 :^)

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8c1a9e  No.651480

>>651473

>The P320s did supposedly fail the Army safety test, but honestly, I haven't seen any independent testing done and I find it unlikely that SIG USA (not Sig Sauer in this case), even under (((Cohen's))) management, would deliberately sell a dangerous gun. They have a reputation to uphold. More strangely, why would the Army intentionally adopt a dangerous gun? That doesn't really pass the smell test. You can't eat shit and then complain later that it tasted bad, if you knowingly ate shit

Requirements for getting your shit adopted by the us military is about 2-3 thai ladyboys and a pound of coke for each asshole in charge or procurement. Glock failed because they just added a thumb safety to a 19 and giving it a 17 grip, completely ignoring the modularity demand. Beretta failed because their imported turkish whores didn't have dicks.

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80cbbd  No.651481

File: 4e2c957ed535fe0⋯.jpg (474.18 KB, 1692x1351, 1692:1351, 46545646548979879872313245.jpg)

hk p30 or glock 20.

nambu 60

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394638  No.651486

>>651476

CZ 75b was my first handgun. I'd recommend one. 9mm is cheap and plentiful. The only downside is on the 75b, the slide stop can break after a few thousand rounds. $15 for a spare isn't bad though.

I'm partial to the S&W M&P line myself, but Glocks have a lot of aftermarket support if you intend to tinker with it. If the XD tickles your fancy (I don't like them personally) but a used one. Someone already gave SA their money so you can feel less dirty buying one.

As for .40 S&W I look at it this way. It has the same maximum case pressure of 35,000 psi as the 9mm, not a huge advantage over the 9mm. In fact most autoloader handgun cartridges are on par with each other in terms of performance aside from the 10mm Auto.

And for the love of the /k/ube, never buy RIP ammo or any other gimmick ammo for defense. They underperform and are overpriced.

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a6a492  No.651487

>>651477

>>651478

SP-01 is a discontinued version. No idea why, but CZ stopped selling those. I just like them for their looks - something about that narrow slide top that makes me feel good. It looks elegant unlike myself. When I get the opportunity to buy a pistol, I will try hardest to find myself an SP-01, and if not possible, I'll just settle for P-09 or a similar CY gun

I don't like P-09 like I like SP-01, but it's one of the nicest options on the market now, by many reasons:

- Internal slide rail lowers bore axis a tiny bit

- Very grippy plastic, metal bits with serrations are also grippy

- Amazing capacity (iirc 19+1, plus two more if extended base plate is used, so 21+1 which beats both hi points and glocks alike)

- Stock trigger is one of the best stock triggers, and there are aftermarket triggers available which are actually the best

- Plastic, but still hammer-fired, SA+DA

- Good accuracy out of the box

- Looks are debatable, but IMO it looks rather slick and attractive

- Price is rather low for a pistol of that quality

- Both decocker and manual safety options (just don't lose the fucking decocker spring) easily installable, every cocksucker eceleb has a vid on changing those, overall easy disassembly

Of course, as Strelok says, don't buy into our preferences, but since you are already asking, go ahead and check some CZs out. They have many options, 75 is also an option (just don't buy their 1911 clones, or any 1911 for that matter tbh).

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343188  No.651492

It really depends on

1. your experience with shooting

2. whether you plan on carrying concealed

3. your budget

Note on 1: If you don't know what you're doing at all, I would suggest a 9mm Glock… probably the classic 19. It's cheap, has a simple manual of arms, maintenance is simple, and there are tons of accessories available for it if you choose to go down that route later on. It's a gun that's easy for a beginner yet good enough for a pro. Even if you decide to go for something "better" down the line, you will not want to sell your Glock.

Note on 2: It seems you're leaning toward full-sized pistols, which is fine, but you will have a very difficult time concealing them. If you're dead set on a full-size, I would offer yet another recommendation of a CZ-75. The SP-01 variants are all awesome… I have a Phantom, and I actually prefer it to the all-steel versions. If you do want to go concealed, you'll need something smaller… Glock 19 is about the biggest I can comfortably conceal (I'm not a big guy) but I really prefer smaller single-stack pistols (Glock 43; the new 43x or 48 are interesting as well.) If you want the big gun feel, you can go with a commander-sized 1911, and you might actually even be able to conceal a full-sized 1911 since it's so thin. There are lots of guns out there that will be concealable but still offer high capacity… the Glock 36 comes to mind immediately, plus CZ has a lot of good offerings.

3. Glock comes to mind here for inexpensive but decent handguns. The aforementioned CZ-75s are also inexpensive. In my experience, cheap Berettas are hit or miss. Cheap 1911s are also usually crap (as are many expensive ones), but Rock Island Armory makes a decent budget gun. If you have a bunch of money, you could absolutely get yourself a Sig, but know that it won't necessarily beat the Glock standard of reliability.

Also, I would be remiss not to mention caliber under the budget argument… 9mm is the least expensive caliber that is also decent for self-defense, HOWEVER: keep in mind that good self-defense ammo in 9mm can be more expensive than cheap self-defense ammo in more effective calibers (such as .40, or my favorite, 10mm.) Yeah, 9mm target ammo is dirt cheap, but I'm a fan of practicing with what I carry, which can get very expensive when I'm carrying HST or Critical Defense; but the absolute cheapest 10mm hollowpoints will be more effective than the most expensive 9mm ammo. So do some research, look into prices and availability, look at tons of gel tests (LuckyGunner) and real-ish-world tests (Paul Harrell) and go from there.

Note that I'm not a Glock fanboy… I was staunchly opposed to them for the longest time, but I finally caved and got several and haven't looked back. They're just too much of a staple to not own.

Good luck OP.

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343188  No.651493

>>651492

I meant Glock 26, not 36. Saged for oops.

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403825  No.651496

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>>651486

>And for the love of the /k/ube, never buy RIP ammo or any other gimmick ammo for defense. They underperform and are overpriced.

Also, people tend to forget or overlook that shit like "RIP" ammo used in a self-defense situation can fuck your shit up in court, because cops and judges tend to notice such things.

As for the gun, why not ruger mark 2? It's cheap, ammo is cheap, and .22 is enough for a noob to learn gun safety rules, proper stance, weapon handling, breath control etc. Don't have to buy a 1k $ handgun right off the bat.

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390e4b  No.651502

go with the glock 17

>low cost mags

>reliable hicap mags (33 rders)

>can be converted to full auto

>good resale

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ca55c9  No.651503

Steyr m9, literally the best wonder 9 on the market.

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0629a5  No.651505

>>651502

>muh Glockazines

>muh full auto conversion (which is A, illegal, and B, not a real thing)

>muh resale

You either don't own guns or you're an NFA kiddie. Why are you LARPing like this?

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ca55c9  No.651506

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>>651503

Here's a pic

>low bore axis

>17 round mags

>straight grip

Nothing to dislike

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55041f  No.651508

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0629a5  No.651509

>>651506

>Nothing to dislike

>finger grooves

>trigger safety

>that anti-glove curve on the trigger guard

The ergonomics have some weird and questionable design choices. If you're like me, finger grooves prevent you from getting a high and tight grip on the pistol. That exact complaint is why Glock has stopped making them with Gen 5. I do like the extreme height on the beaver tail, though, that's a nice touch and looks pretty schway as well.

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a420cb  No.651510

Get a pellet (not BB) air pistol and a 22lr target pistol. Start there, handgun is difficult enough to learn as it is, you can never shoot enough or get good enough. You can still shoot 22lr for proficiency after you get a big boi handgun.

For centerfire, I'm going to go with the crowd suggesting the CZ75, its simply a great old gun that WORKS, is proven, has the advantage of single action. I'm old fashioned, the 1911 and Hi Power are always solid choices, even with modern so called "improvements" over the years, SA and a hammer have their positive values, some of us still prefer it. Also the ergonomics of these guns is superior in reality, in the hand, even if modern guns are theoretically superior on paper. If you are thinking the 92, think CZ75 instead. How many people served with that Italian SA/DA and don't like it, or just plain despise them? Plenty. People who served with the other auto loaders I mentioned (CZ75, 1911, Hi Power) have a lot of great things to say of those guns they carried.

Cartridge wise, I'm of the school 357 Magnum/357 Sig/10mm/45 ACP is where you ought to be. Beyond that, 9mm Luger and 38 Special with the right loads are bare minimum. Beyond that 380 and 38 Special light loads are the ABSOLUTE bare minimum in the sense they don't qualify in the first place, but if you are going to cheat the first two tiers DO NOT GO BELOW THIS. If you can handle strong loads later on, stick with the top tier, if not 9mm Luger. 38 Special light loads and 380 ACP stay relevant in the sense people tend to carry pocket guns that are too light to handle even 9mm Luger effectively and eventually you see these calibers and loads used. 380 ACP pocket pistol backup is up to you, but you know what cartridges we are going to recommend, especially for a full size handgun.

380 ACP's problem isn't that it doesn't expand, its the fact that when it expands it does not penetrate deep enough. IF you choose 380 ACP stick with solids, choose a 38 Special pocket revolver go with wadcutters. Other cartridges take a good, long look at what loads are available and compare them to gel tests and keep in mind heavy for caliber bullets tend to do better, and the hollow point design itself is important.

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db570c  No.651511

You want a 22 or 9mm with a 22 conversion as your first handgun. Get a CZ P07 with Kadet kit since the good Glock conversions are unobtanium now.

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88dc2c  No.651515

>>651473

>>651480

They fixed that problem like a week after it showed up. The guns went off if dropped at a really specific and bizarre angle that didn't show up in normal testing. The military is very thorough in stress testing all of their gear. All in all they offered a free optional recall for all guns on the civilian market.

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909082  No.651517

>>651496

>22.

It's like you want tyrone to kick your teeth in.

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b9382c  No.651520

I'd recommend a Walther P1, CZ-82 or RIA M1911 which has a .38 Super variant as a cheap starting handgun.

>>651496

Pre-Mk. 4s are as much of a pain in the ass to strip than fixing a Mercedes by yourself and Mk. 4s are under $1000 anyway with multiple models available.

>>651505

>B, not a real thing

They're very real the fuck do you mean mate.

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0629a5  No.651523

>>651520

I thought he meant turning them into G18s, not a bump stock tier meme accessory. Can confirm Ruger target pistols are a pain in the ass to service, but still not as bad as the Browning Buck Mark. Why are designated civilian guns often so obnoxious under the hood?

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4734bf  No.651524

>>651487

>SP-01 is a discontinued version.

You're mistaken, the SP-01 was never discontinued. Sales of the SP-01 Phantom (which is probably the one you mean as you mentioned a polymer frame) were suspended for a few years because CZ was fulfilling a contract for the Czech military, but as of 2018 they're available for civilian sale again. And I'll second this recommendation, The SP-01 (either the regular or the phantom, but I prefer the phantom) is top notch.

>just don't buy their 1911 clones, or any 1911 for that matter tbh

Now why do you say that? Sure, I wouldn't recommend a 1911 as a first gun or even a third–they have far too many parts and are far too finicky to be a good service pistol when others are available. But if you want a collectible from a better period in history, they're pretty cool. And Dan Wessons, CZ's 1911 line, are some of the best 1911s on the market.

>>651506

If you absolutely must have a striker-fired gun you can't go wrong with Steyr's lineup. I prefer hammer guns myself, however.

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a6a492  No.651599

>>651524

I was talking about Phantom exactly, thanks for correcting. Thought they are no longer a thing, since I couldn't find them at CZ website (found one at local retailer though - if only it would be there when I will actually will be able to buy it).

>Now why do you say that? Sure, I wouldn't recommend a 1911 as a first gun or even a third–they have far too many parts and are far too finicky to be a good service pistol when others are available.

Dude, there's your answer. Just compare Phantom / p-09 with any 1911 for that matter, and you will see which pistol wins.

I would probably even recommend a steyr or glock before a 1911. Steyrs look kinda goofy, but they are (or seem to be) good pistols. Fuck glocks tbh, but can't say they're bad as first gun.

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d4fd28  No.651656

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>>651477

>>651478

>>651486

I was thinking of getting either a 75B for a range toy or a 75 Compact for a carry gun. What do you guys think of them, I'm moving up from a Bersa thunder 380 which was always more of a range toy I could theoretically carry if I wanted. I'm also thinking of getting a CZ 82 and making it my carry gun. Do any of you have any experience with them?

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efcae3  No.651661

>>651656

>CZ 82

They are really nice, fine guns. I'd pick makarov due to just simplicity and number of parts but these have better that Mak's mediocre triggers, are more smooth and better build iirc.

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d4fd28  No.651666

>>651661

I also found one used with some (really easy to fix) cosmetic issues for $200, I haven't seen any Makarovs that low. From what I keep reading it seems to be mostly a double stack Makarov derivative designed because the Czechs had a habit of saying "No fuck you Ivan, we're doing our own gun"

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0629a5  No.651670

>>651666

Makarovs pretty much always used to go below $200 back before imports got niggered. Nothing good ever lasts…

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06b75d  No.651686

>>651453

>XD(M)

Shitty springfield meme gun, even if it was decent, don't support springshit

>P320-M17

Fires if you shake it hard enough, shit (((Sig USA))) quality control pretending to Sig Sauer

>M9

Kino choice, try and get a G-model safety.

Ppetty much anything of decent quality will be fine, just whatever your preference is. Glocknades, Steyr M9s and most things from Walther are good.

>>651476

Also kino choices

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ceefad  No.651789

>>651523

To further hinder civilian resistance for areas with restrictions or that civilian guns are meant for sport meaning they're built to be comfortable and more luxurious than a robust weapon that's easy to maintain as its primary requirement.

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a420cb  No.651797

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>651789

Bullshit. It was originally intended for combat bolt action rifles as a means of completely de-militarizing them. Saw off the foreend and remove the bayonet lug, saw off the stripper clip guide, you now have a rifle that might be good for marksmen/sniper duties, but has been completely fucked over for line infantry use. This is continued on since then and eventually it took the form of "sporter rifle/assault rifle" designations to de-militarize military style weapons. It has NOTHING to do with comfort or luxury. A handbuilt custom hunting rifle, bolt action, is a tough and capable weapon, the niceness of it does not decrease its abilities at all. Its never been aesthetics, that's misleading, nor has luxury ever been an impediment to ability. A beautiful gun is just as useful as an ugly one, destroying aesthtics does not make it any more useful. Keep in mind the objective has always been the useful parts of the weapon (magazines, stripper clip guides, bayonet lugs, capacity, ect).

In fact, I would say the case for ugly guns is the exact opposite. Ugly firearms became all the rage, anti aesthtics became all the rage in guns in the late 1980's when the government was gearing up for mass gun control, pushed the Hughes Amendment, right about the time the US assault weapons ban was passed along with other major gun control, when anti gunners were gearing up to change society's perception of arms. The whole "we need to make guns ugly" was NEVER about making soldiers or gun owners think more objectively about their guns, it has always been a plot to make guns ugly, change perceptions, destroy the gun culture, and make guns look worse and put them in a worse light. Remember that there were gun controllers out complaining about Westerns and cowboys and Colt SAA promoting violence, they openly worried that beautiful old guns built the gun gun culture, created the culture of people who were in the shooting sports. When you promote the destruction of aesthetics of firearms you are working for the gun banners.

Remember, the same people making ugly uniforms for modern militaries are openly anti military. Remember that the same people pushing ugly guns telling you it makes you more objective to the weapon are anti gun.

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ca55c9  No.652050

>>651509

Just shave off the finger groove. Not perfect, but it works.

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1dca2a  No.652219

>>651453

My first handgun was a M92S because they are cheap as fuck if you find a decent police turn in and they shoot well.

If it your first hand gun and you are just going to get used to shooting on it, go for something similar; a nice solid beater you can train on.

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ec679c  No.652240

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Hi everyone, OP here. Just wanted to thank everyone for responding and providing good advice, I did some more research based on your responses and I've grown fond of the CZs based on their reviews, history, and videos of them (even the compact models) being used in target practice, etc. Definitely looks like a good manufacturer for a first handgun.

I just purchased a CZ 75 SP-01, a spare slide, spare magazine, case, and a holster. As soon as I get time this weekend I'm going to go to the range and see how it fires. As I stated in the first post, I don't have much technical knowledge on handguns. I do, however, have a good bit of firing experience between the .45 long colt, .357 mag, and .45 auto. Just haven't really spent much time with the 9x19, 9x21, or .380. I shopped around for competitive pricing and ended up finding a factory new gun for $630. Tbh that seems like a fairly good buy in my area considering over half the stores and shops I checked wanted over $700 which seems ridiculous. I suppose I could always get my FFL Type 3 and just buy the gun at retail price but that

Either way thanks again and I'll definitely let you all know what I think once I'm able to fire it.

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ec679c  No.652244

>>652240

Meant to say that the FFL application might give the ATF a bit more leverage on me than I want them to have, like checking my guns, etc.

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4734bf  No.652267

>>651599

>Dude, there's your answer. Just compare Phantom / p-09 with any 1911 for that matter, and you will see which pistol wins.

"No practical value" isn't the same as "never buy," though, which is the part that confused me. If I had the disposable income I'd happily buy the Fudd gun that won two world wars :^).

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06b75d  No.652277

>>652240

>a spare slide

Any particular reason as to why?

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623041  No.652283

>>652240

If you got all those other things you mentioned for $630 you got a sweet deal, if it was just the pistol you still did good from what I've seen on prices near me. Hope it serves you well.

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c95c08  No.652496

>>652240

>not buying a glock

k bitch boy.

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06b75d  No.652503

>>652496

t. explosive amputee

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efcae3  No.652523

File: ff8ae67ae758598⋯.jpeg (599.6 KB, 2048x1536, 4:3, gayest of glocks.jpeg)

>>652496

Repent

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db570c  No.652576

>>652240

>a spare slide

???

Is it a caliber conversion? I've never heard of a spare slide for a handgun other than that. Otherwise a SP-01 is a perfectly good handgun.

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a6a492  No.652590

>>652267

I absolutely love how they look, and would buy one as well (Coonan 1911 in .357 looks good and has a (subjectively) better caliber). However, in the context of this thread, it is a bad purchase, however you think about it.

>>652240

It is a good gun, congratulations. I wish you tight groups and swift follow-ups my friend.

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d8e885  No.652592

>>652240

Nice choice. Did you go Phantom (poly frame) or the regular one?

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bedb59  No.652616

>>652240

>a spare slide

for what purpose?

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343188  No.652639

>>652240

Great choice. CZ makes a quality product, and every CZ 75 variant I've used was an absolute pleasure.

If you're a former big-caliber guy, 9mm is going to feel anemic… don't let that discourage you. It's a perfectly capable round for defense, and out of a full-sized gun like an SP-01 you'll be getting very close to manufacturer-rated velocities and energy levels, giving you the performance that the ammo manufacturer intended. I would strongly recommend taking a look at LuckyGunner's ballistics tests as well as videos by Paul Harrell to help you find a defensive load to suit your needs.

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f165c0  No.652720

>>652240

Return the slide and buy 3 or 4 additional magazines.

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80cbbd  No.653304

>>652720

>>652576

>>652616

>>652277

75's can sometimes develop cracks on the slide, inherentely because the pressure is less evenly distributed compared to say browning hp and jericho (the slide shape desing forces the barrel to return to same spot for accuracy, but can cause problems such as this one).

As far as i know there really is not any remedy for this aside from replacing them.

Recoil springs are also bit iffy and wear out bit faster on cz's than some other guns.

The components should be relatively cheap though, so it isn't really a problem.

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4f49ba  No.656210

No love for the Walther PPQ?

You don't know what you are missing.

Nicest out of the box trigger on the market, tbh.

Also, I understand the distaste for Springfield as a company, but I have an XD 9mm Service model that has been incredibly reliable and accurate. It shoots easy, is as basic as it gets, and I have used it to teach at least 5 people how to use a handgun with it, including two teenaged girls. As a first handgun I would have to include it as a very good choice, and don't see any good reason to not include it as a good choice for anyone's general purpose carry gun for that matter. I'd probably carry it if I didn't have the PPQ.

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022556  No.656232

>>652639

>"if you're a former big-caliber guy"

yeah, you'll figure out that 9mm sucks.

Came from .45acp and went to .40 to .357 sig/.40, settled on that for CC. Got a 44 and 357 magnum, love them to death. Tried 9mm and I was like, "wow, this is a pussy round," and it is indeed a pussy round.

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9a845d  No.656249

>>656232

>44 and 357

Nice mouse gun ammo. 10mm is the fucking /k/aliber

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68a976  No.656256

Depends what you want. Don't bother with .40, just stick with the tried and true 9mm or .45. If you want big boi bullets just go with 10mm, don't compromise with .40. M9s are alright and since they're being phased out of the US military surplus will be there, mostly magazines and equipment not actual firearms so that could be alluring. Personally I'd say just get a Glock 19, maybe a 19X or 45 (it's in 9mm) if you got big hands but still want that 19 slide. If you want something way classier, get a Browning Hi-Power. I can't think of anyone who would bash on it, outside of the magazine disconnect safety which is easily removable. If you're on a budget, Makarovs are fine but ammo won't be as available as 9mm. Ergonomics it really depends on your hand size and how it all fits, for me the Polymer 80 grip feels amazing in my hand and so does the Browning Hi-Power. The durability of handguns are pretty good if you go with reputable makers, (FN, Glock, old Colts, CZ, etc). Sights are another thing that completely depends on your preference and your own eyeballs. Lastly, for consistent firing it just depends on you. Dry fire and live fire are the only ways to get consistent at shooting a handgun.

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10bdb9  No.656306

>>651471 CZ97B = Beautiful super accurate pistol, one of the finest the hundreds i have owned !

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10bdb9  No.656307

>>656306

"of" the hundreds I have owned! herp-derp etc.

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022556  No.656309

>>656256

>40 is a compromise

between 10mm and 9mm. 9mm shills have only themselves to blame. Even so, .40 still has more energy than 9mm and 45.

9mm is a pussy round.

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4d881c  No.656328

File: e18d9157bf3fef8⋯.jpg (23.66 KB, 600x600, 1:1, Tokarev-Pistol.jpg)

>>651453

Tokarev

Though in america it's required by law for it to have aftermarket safety so you won't be able to learn all the rules of gun-safety with appropriate consequences for breaking them.

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efcae3  No.656332

File: 3072960baaf9e80⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 83.54 KB, 409x250, 409:250, improved_glock.jpg)

>>656309

>9mm is a pussy round

Not only that, it's a bad pussy round, as women and police officers still find themselves unable to handle it. It is a pussy round that pretends to be powerful, failing at either.

>>656328

Worry not as Serbian trigger safety won't offer any more safety than a glock wouldaside from the trigger being not so disgusting you don't want to touch it, so dumb shooters still have all the opportunities to properly learn the importance safety rules and a round more powerful than a mouse fart will further increase the chances of the lesson being memorable.

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022556  No.656336

>>656332

lol this is why I love Russia.

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b6c192  No.656679

i recommend you look at the FN 57

Five seveN is where the FN comes from

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5f1a11  No.657061

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6060ad  No.661307

>>651453

Glock 19 generally considered best all around gun. Good for CCW but shoots like real gun. It will be nicer in a holster on your hip if you do Armed Guard work and hopping in and out of car all the time. Gen 3 is considered by many to be better than Gen 4.

BUT…IMO what really matters is how a handgun fits YOUR HAND.

To me, XD just felt wrong compared to Glock.

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b2c592  No.661314

>>656679

And AR-15 stands for Assault Rampager 15 dead children per second.

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e10c95  No.661615

>>651797

I never understood why anyone would want to buy a sporterized rifle. There's no collecter value (Even though bubbas price it that way), they are usually butt ugly, and if you just want to go hunting or shoot targets there are way better bolt action rifles specifically made for just that, at a better price, in calibers that are better suited for hunting (since you don't want your game all blown up) as opposed to cartridges designed for downing soldiers.

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e10c95  No.661628

>>656249

>He doesn't shoot 50 BMG from his snubnose Fanny pack revolver

It's ok little guy. Maybe one day you'll get to shoot with us when it's "Bring your kid to the range" day.

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c6aa43  No.661661

>>652523

I want to eat that gun.

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9fb994  No.661682

>>651453

Go to a shooting range. Rent each of those guns. Plink away. You'll like one of them more than the rest. Buy that one. Glad I could help.

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617e0d  No.661786

File: 5e9f13cd9f3172a⋯.jpg (80.86 KB, 964x542, 482:271, https___www.huntingretaile….jpg)

File: c3386f7f2f65a50⋯.jpg (70.56 KB, 736x535, 736:535, Coonan-Calendar.jpg)

File: 354eacf548be368⋯.jpg (46.53 KB, 500x607, 500:607, 85910ebca620b30e5bae927273….jpg)

I think you should look at the Coonan 1911 .357 Magnum automatic pistol. Real knocking power gun

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758fbb  No.661833

File: 617fbc24cf68d17⋯.jpg (98.59 KB, 977x660, 977:660, steyr m9a1.JPG)

>>651453

>anything sig

I bet you enjoy eating out of the trash too

I bought a NEW American made sig, that was fucked up form the factory (worng parts installed), rattles like a skeleton, and when I contacted sig, they told me their records showed QC checked off on it, so it could not have been them- in other words it was "altered by someone" after it left the factory .

I would say get the m9, have not had problems with them, and also for the price look at pic related, like a glock but more ergonomic. The only downside is no aftermarket parts and mags cost $30, but compared to the glock, 100 times more comfy.

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cf2b69  No.661906

>>661902

>How do these goons have gov't contracts?

Liquidated the QC section and took those funds to buy hookers and blow for procurement officers?

On topic, AIM has Glock 17 police trade ins for under $400. Lot worse someone could do on a budget.

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05ae6b  No.661909

>>652639

I'm always weary of just pure gelatin test as it doesn't take into account bone and clothing, which can have significant effects. Like in the luckygunner tests the speer 124gr gold dot +P performed perfectly whereas in the brassfetcher bone+gelatin test it completely failed.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/Bone%20Simulant/9mm%20Luger%20Bone%20Test.html

Probably why the 357mag has had the historical reputation of being an effective round. A 1400fps muzzle velocity pretty much ensures bullet expansion regardless of clothing and bone.

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53fad9  No.661974

File: cb5ec42f778b3ea⋯.png (87.95 KB, 284x216, 71:54, 15535934651617850.png)

>>651453

I think my Glawk has autism.

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758fbb  No.662402

File: f94d7fe5224d71d⋯.jpg (838.11 KB, 984x755, 984:755, Beretta7102.jpg)

>>661909

Ballistic effects are usually overrated when determining a firearm, just don't use shit aluminum ammo. Using your average FMJ or HP rounds will usually cause enough damage with well placed shots to stop a threat.

Realistically, 9mm is fine, .40 cal is fine, .357 sig is actually decent, they just ramped the price up and sell a box of 50 plain FMJ rounds for like $39.

In the end, a well placed shot does a lot more than expensive ammo and shitty aim. Mossad used to use .22 cal for assassinations and air martial standard issue pic related because you can get great aim and almost no noise hazard.

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129dbd  No.662411

>>661974

Fuck off back to cuckchan.

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79e0e4  No.662734

>>651487

My Polski Brother speaks the truth, def get a CZ and enjoy superior Czechnology

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18f527  No.662764

>>662411

Too many digits to be UNIX

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fe7183  No.662779

>>662764

As far as I know, 4kanker adds exactly 4 digits to the Unix time an image is posted at

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1f72b8  No.671234

File: d322823bdf550f7⋯.jpg (184.53 KB, 900x598, 450:299, cz-1.jpg)

>>651453

Personally, I recommend the CZ-75B over all of those. I've shot all but the 320 in your list, but have also owned HK's, S&W, assorted surplus handguns and 1911s, but the CZ really takes the cake IMO as far as ergonomics, reliability and accuracy. I got my first CZ last December, but I really don't see myself buying any other pistols from other brands aside from more surplus stuff.

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5431b9  No.671236

>>651453

>Beretta

Beretta apparently made a 92fs Centennial edition that had a frame mounted safety, target sights, a beefed up and lightened slide, lightened hammer with reduced lock time and a number of other accurizing and usability modifications that for some fucking reason they dont offer on non limited editions. Italians man.

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e61ccd  No.671237

File: 2695271e1bd1886⋯.jpg (89.43 KB, 1000x885, 200:177, serious gains.jpg)

>>671234

I'll follow up this post with a CZ SP-01 since it comes in 3 major models that I can probably name off the top of my head.

>CZ SP-01 Manual Safety

Basic package with a safety in place of the decocker with a DA/SA trigger and the SA trigger is absolutely nice.

>CZ SP-01 Tactical

Comes with a decocker that sets the hammer at half-cock for DA until fired then set to SA, same deal

>CZ SP-01 Phantom

A polymer-framed SP-01 handy for carry due to its lighter construction but same deal as the rest.

My SP-01 so far was broken in with a mix of Fiocchi 115gr and Winchester 124gr White box at 300 rds and I absolutely love the shit out of it for its soft recoil, accuracy, and it running with no hiccups so far. If you want to mod yours or any other CZ pistols down the line, Cajun Gun Works or CZ Customs are generally recommended alot.

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4730e4  No.671244

>>651453

I'd go for something in the filipino problem solver caliber with a 33 round mag option tbh. M9's seem ok tho.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP#Design_and_history

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375563  No.671246

File: a3f0fc12c9d3574⋯.png (673.08 KB, 1920x1335, 128:89, 15z_CZ75BSA_L_91150_01150.png)

>>671237

Personally I own the CZ 75B SA only model, I love it to death. In retrospect I may have got something with a decocker, but I like the pistol enough to carry it frequently. I'll likely get the compact SP-01 in the future, and use the SA for plinking and in situations where OCing is more preferable, like in the woods. That said I love this handgun, and I feel fortunate I got it before CZ discontinued them, I've found it has some oddities to it, such as the slide being a P-01 slide, its ambi safety and its frame is more shaped like the P-01, just with a smaller dust cover.

>>671244

I do like the M9 a lot, I don't own one, just shot them in the military. I know a lot of the guys I know don't like it, but my only issue with it is that the magazine release is kinda small. I'll probably buy a 92fs eventually.

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4730e4  No.671247

>>671244

I forgot to add a suppressor so you don't lose 10% of your hearing after shooting it.

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9a845d  No.671422

File: 9f4bfa403638145⋯.jpg (1.7 MB, 1000x3101, 1000:3101, Beretta-92-chart01.jpg)

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7011f5  No.671435

>>652240

nice, a year ago i got my first handgun and it was cz sp01 phantom. i looks like everybody here gets cz pistols

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4fe26a  No.671854

>662402

>ballistics and energy are meaningless, all that matters is that you poke a hole in someone

this is the level of cognitive dissonance you're dealing with when trying to tell 9mm shills they can't have their cake and eat it to.

you're a fucking retard.

>sig ammo is expensive

confirmed Walmart kiddie that never shoots his gun

>.357 sig is actually decent

it is a semiauto version of .357 magnum, it is far, far beyond your micropenis 9mm. You'd know that if you ever shot one, or if you ever shot at all.

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8db1b1  No.671873

>>671854

>replicates one .357 loading

gg no re torpedo.

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4fe26a  No.672022

>>671873

it replicates the standard 125 grain load that's been around forever and by which the .357 mag made itself famous.

Cry more, 9mm pussy.

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178e2a  No.672028

>>672022

>super light 125gr load is standard for a magnum cartridge

Post your guns.

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a420cb  No.672055

>>672022

125 grain loads became the most famous because of the junk science being pushed in the late 1970's and early 80's. The entire "speed is everything" lie was being pushed super hard at that time, focus in gel was on 20% blocks and temporary cavities (which was later revised to today's 10% gel and focus on bullet direct damage, penetration, expanded face) and a lot of this was to help push the 9mm Luger over the super super popular 45 ACP in the military. Since 9mm was faster than 45, it was a perfect fit of an argument. With all the bullshit and hype going around those days, the ever ass killing 357 Magnum was the posterboi of the best terminal performance a handgun could have, and also higher velocity, and the speed bois then claimed Magnum's killing power was purely 100% velocity and then made the bold claims that the 125 grain SJHP were the best load of all time forever and ever. Purely, of course, because 1,450 fps average muzzle velocity and that's it.

After the speed shills got their say for many, many years, and after legends were made and pushed, things were promoted and other things purposely obscured they were able to sell the narrative that 125 grain bullets were the magic weight for the 357 Magnum. They want you to forget there were heavier and lighter bullets, that the lighter faster ones suck shit through a straw, that 158 grain SJHP were extremely common and were also as successful as the 125's, that modern science and bullets actually state the 158 is as good if not universally superior to the 125 grain in similar design bullets. Still, the myth persists. There are people who think the 125 loads are the ONLY ones, that they ares till the best even if heavier is superior.

357 Sig is fine, and the 125 grain 357 Magnum did well, just keep an open mind about things and don't lock yourself in bad mentalities from 40 years ago. These same assholes pushed the shitacular 110 grain +p+ 38 Special Treasury load "cuz speed", and everyone who still used it and uses it abandoned it for slower heavier bullets. 357 Sig can shoot up to 150 grains from what I've seen, consider that heavier bullets in the cartridge might be better, one advantage 357 magnum still has is far heavier bullets which may yield a different performance you may prefer.

357 Magnum can still outperform the 357 Sig in longer service barrels, can still fire a much heavier bullet. In a full length barrel the Magnum spanks the Sig all day long. Also, don't be surprised if a 180 grain hollow point doens't do better than you think, and may be vastly superior to a 125 grain.

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3426be  No.672066

File: 703b5c0838d229f⋯.jpg (1.95 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, agraehg.jpg)

>>651463

>M9s are just overpriced 92Fs, and you can get a police trade-in 92, 92S, 92F, or 92G for usually under $300. Often those are seldom fired and have a lot of life left in them. Be aware that early variants use a heel magazine release, and those magazines will be rarer and will not be interchangeable with the new button release ones.

>>651470

Correction. They DO take modern mags, but you need to make sure they have the cut for the heel mag. Modern 92fs mags FROM BERETTA have the heel cuts and are interchangeable.

Source.

I had one, traded my buddy for his modern 92fs because he liked my italian police model better. He can use modern Beretta mags.

Otherwise I wholly recommend them they look good, feel good, and shoot good. Also very safe. Be warned though, you might need to replace some polymer parts, if you feel the need, no reason to unless you want all metal. I replaced a lot of parts, as I intend on getting a match barrel and putting on an SGS comp. I have a new hammer, springs, safety, recoil buffer, new trigger, original is polymer, the new steel one is 29 bucks. I also have a trigger job that makes is an 8lb/4.5lb trigger. And a new skeleton hammer. Friend of mine just got blasted because p-320 does not have a drop safety and in general striker fired guns are trash. Get a sig with a hammer. 226 is pretty good.

DO NOT BUY A XD OR AN M&P ANYTHING REEEEE

Glocks are not bad guns, I just don't like them a whole lot. Purely personal, I don't like the feel and I think they are ugly. I'd trust one though. I have giant hands though, so I prefer something with an ass to it, like a beretta.

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4fe26a  No.672073

>>672055

I remember you. You're that dumbass who said energy doesn't matter with guns, you just have to poke a hole in someone and therefore the bigger the hole you poke in someone, the better because speed, energy, you know, Science, none of that matters. Just poke a hole.

>m-m-muh 158

I never said a single thing about that grain, you're going on a tangent.

>357 Sig is fine, and the 125 grain 357 Magnum did well, just keep an open mind about things and don't lock yourself in bad mentalities from 40 years ago.

>slower bullets are better because…..fast is bad

I'm not the retard denying the nature of our physical world, stuff like gravity, energy, speed being a central component in measuring force, relative to weight. I never once said light or heavy bullets as such are bad or good, yet here you are pulling lies straight out of your ass. What I said is that light bullets traveling slow IS shit, which is what the 9mm is.

>357 Magnum can still outperform the 357 Sig in longer service barrels, can still fire a much heavier bullet. In a full length barrel the Magnum spanks the Sig all day long.

I never said .357 SIG was superior to .357 magnum, I said it was superior to 9mm, and that is demonstrable fact. The magnum has more case capacity, which means it can push the same or heavier bullets faster than the SIG. Ironically, here you are sucking off speed. Now velocity suddenly matters when you're straining to prove a point about something I never said. You're a retard and a hypocrite.

>Also, don't be surprised if a 180 grain hollow point doens't do better than you think, and may be vastly superior to a 125 grain.

What are you doing? If you're shooting a human being, 180 grain in .357 magnum would have way too much penetration. You're probably having too much penetration with hot 158 grain against a human target, that's why the 125 grain was devised, and that's still a deep driving bullet.

In summary, you are denying science, so that means you can't really be disproven because you've never actually set forth an argument. You just said speed is bad because….it's bad. Speed relative to weight determines force. So if you have the same 125 grain bullet between 9mm and .357, but the .357 is pushing it 600 fps faster, the .357 places way, way more energy on target and consequentially causes more tissue damage.

You can see this fact if you've ever hunted in your life and shot animals. The main indication is that with a .357 magnum, or a 300 winchester magnum, you have way more blood spilling out of the animal compared to wounds from, say, a 9mm or .308, and the reason there is so much more blood loss from these animals is because of the greater tissue damage caused by the higher energy of the magnum rounds. This is a demonstrable, scientific fact. I've done this countless times and seen the damage to the animals both immediately after the shot and after I skinned them. Magnums always cause more tissue damage to a target, and to that extent they are more lethal and thus more effective. I'm just amazed that you can deny the basic scientific truths underpinning the utility of firearms and then not consider yourself to be a retard. I genuinely think you may be a troll.

>muh heavy 9mm load

I'll tell you why the 147 grain 9mm load has become popular. It's because 9mm is inherently so weak. Anyone who has used 9mm knows that you can either have expansion or penetration, but you can't have both because the round has so little energy, so logically everyone goes full penetration because at least then you will be able to reach an organ. Of course 147 grain 9mm has dogshit expansion, just go watch Paul Harrell's videos, but that's the split those retards have to make.

And why is 9mm so popular instead of magnums? Because people these days are pussies and they're poor, and because of the tacticool stupid fuck market headed by ballistic retards like James Yeager.

>9mm over .45 was because of speed

this is wrong, 9mm was not chosen over .45 because of speed, and 9mm barely has more speed than .45 despite being a far smaller bullet, it was chosen because of capacity alone. People and the military stopped giving a damn about guns as guns and marksmanship and adopted a spray and pray attitude. Gun culture died and was replaced with tacticool dogma. I agree that we don't deserve the 1911 .45acp, we deserve plastic faggot guns chambered in a micropenis rounds like 9mm. 9mm is indeed inferior to the .45acp in every way because the massive difference in diameter and weight more than compensates for the very marginal difference in speed. The opposite is true with .357 magnum because the difference in speed over .45 is so much greater that the difference in bullet size is nullified.

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a420cb  No.672076

>>672073

Energy and velocity alone don't do damage, the bullet must use the force to create damage. You are wrong on many levels here. A 180 grain 30-30 flat nose soft point will do far more damage at far lesser energy than a 125 grain FMJ out of a 308, and the FMJ will penetrate deeper than the 180 grain soft point which will deform. A 180 grain SJHP or JHP in a 357 Magnum will penetrate less than a 115 grain FMJ 9mm Luger round because it will expand and the other will not. Look up the gel tests, you will find that many heavier hollow point bullets don't over penetrate don't over penetrate as per your claim. You just kinda roughly pulled that one out of your ass.

Yes, the military did try to say that the higher velocity 9mm Luger had better terminal performance than the 45 ACP because of speed back in the early 1980's. Yes, bad rounds like the 38 Special Treasury load were developed on this false assumption. The real reasons were NATO and higher capacity, but the stated reason to soldiers and the shooting public was "speed is damage" and the lie still persists in many ways to this day.

I have hunted and killed, I know what bullets do. I know there isn't a magical 1:1 correlation between energy and damage, bullet shape and build matter. In many cases heavier bullets do better damage all around, lighter bullets for caliber often are inferior in every aspect. A 168 grain soft point in 308 is far superior to a 130 grain soft point in 308 for killing deer, even defending yourself from an attacker. Some bullets are overbuilt and will overpenetrate despite higher velocity and energy than lighter built bullets at lower velocity and energy. Cast a hunting bullet to hard and your lead bullets won't expand at all, at some point an extremely high energy hard cast bullet does less damage than a jacketed soft point or a softer cast bullet at lower energy. Again, energy is not magic by itself.

In handguns, 357 Magnum included, there isn't enough energy at service barrel lengths to help the extra energy do extra damage. At some point you don't get a massive advatnage out of the force if its being squandered or misused. A FMJ 357 Magnunm might only do better than a 9mm FMJ if it hits bone and the force and resistance comes into play. Otherwise all that energy is just wasted punching through soft tissue to no advantage. Many soldiers have lived because of the Hague Convention and high power rifle bullets simply zipping through soft tissues.

As far as handguns go heavier bullets use their force better. Dont' be surprised if a 180 grain hollow point in 357 Magnum with the right construction doesnt' expand better. Don't be surprised if its built light enough that it doesn't over penetrate. Don't be surprised if it doesn't far outperform the 125 grain without overpenetration. Look at the facts and tests on the matter.

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6eecd2  No.672077

>>672073

9mm has killed more commies than .45 so your argument doesn't matter, torfaggot.

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4fe26a  No.672085

>>672076

>Energy and velocity alone don't do damage, the bullet must use the force to create damage.

>A 180 grain 30-30 flat nose soft point will do far more damage at far lesser energy than a 125 grain FMJ out of a 308, and the FMJ will penetrate deeper than the 180 grain soft point which will deform.

You moved the goalposts. Now you're talking about bullet design. I have always assumed we were talking about JHP and soft point bullets. In this respect, yes, a FMJ bullet, UNLESS IT TUMBLES, would cause less tissue damage than a soft point because of its inability to fully dump its energy. I ALWAYS SAID ENERGY IS WHAT MATTERS. You are admitting that energy is what matters here by noting how a FMJ bullet wastes its energy.

> I know there isn't a magical 1:1 correlation between energy and damage, bullet shape and build matter.

Again, you've moved the goalposts. Even so, Energy is what ultimately and always matters because in your case for soft point ammo, you're admitting energy matters because of how much better soft point ammo dumps its energy compared to fmj.

I was only arguing on behalf of velocity insofar as more velocity equates to more energy. Energy is a combination of bullet speed, weight, and design, so you can't ignore one or the other. You're moving goalposts and putting words in my mouth.

> A 180 grain SJHP or JHP in a 357 Magnum will penetrate less than a 115 grain FMJ 9mm Luger round because it will expand and the other will not.

lol like I said, you're moving goalposts and putting words in my mouth. I never said a goddamn thing about FMJ bullets.

>Yes, the military did try to say that the higher velocity 9mm Luger had better terminal performance than the 45 ACP because of speed back in the early 1980's.

sorry but I can't believe they're that stupid. There's barely a difference in speed between the two. You're going to have to prove this because the narrative is capacity. That's one reason why Glock was shilled in the first place, because it had even higher capacity than the already high capacity m9.

The rest of your post is the same stuff about bullet design, which I never once mentioned because I assumed we were talking about comparable bullet design with each round.

You moved the goalposts and put words in my mouth..

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4fe26a  No.672088

>>672077

>heh I'm a nazi, kid, nothing personnel

Germany had pretentious engineering decisions because they thought they were the master race and therefore they had to do special bullshit to prove it, and they lost to logic. 9mm is an example of that pretentious bullshit.

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a00a2b  No.672090

p320 is good. Don't drop it just like any other gun

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3426be  No.672092

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>>672088

I think this guy is a legit boomer. Post your fuddy five. Let's see if you even have a gat worth showing.

> they thought they were the master race and therefore they had to do special bullshit to prove it

I'm not racist, my granddaughter is black, MAGA 2020 :^)

Posted from my seniorease app™ from my ipad.

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8db1b1  No.672101

>>672022

>38 Super

>pussy

Man, I didn't know my 125gr going ~1450fps was pussy. .357SIG fags are the worse thing to happen to IPSC, literally autistic screeching at everything.

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fd0d51  No.672109

Didn't Springfield make a 180 from that Illinois shit?

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/05/john-boch/springfield-armorys-gun-rights-turn-around/

Did they do something else?

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3426be  No.672111

>>672109

They are sorry they got caught.

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178e2a  No.672112

>>672109

>trusting TTAG, who helped shill the legislation

You're not very smart, are you, Strelok?

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fd0d51  No.672115

>>672112

>you don't know e-celeb gossip

Oh. Okay.

>>672111

That's fair.

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e61ccd  No.672125

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Quick question regarding CZ pistols though, how do you guys like holding them when shooting since I personally rest my right thumb on the manual safety of my SP-01 and I feel it gives me a better lock up on my wrists and I noticed my hands don't sway to much to the lower-left whenever I pull the trigger.

sage for no recommendations

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7b291f  No.672132

Canik

And G2

Bueno noob choice

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ad1f65  No.672242

why don't you buy a man's pistol, and get a snub nose revolver? you kids today with your 15 round high capacity clipazines shooting your bitch boy 9mm peter rounds, and missing every goddamn thing. 5 rounds of good ol' .38 special is all we needed back in my day

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6f9bed  No.672260

>>672242

Shut the fuck up and crawl back to whatever godforsaken shithole you came from. Boomer posts are trash and so are you. I hope you die in a fire.

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c90803  No.672262

>>672242

I'm at the point where I'd unironically consider carrying a five-shot .357 Magnum after reading all this ballistic autism. It's not like I'd ever get to carry a gun here, but knowing this place five shots would be enough to put down a wild gypsy, and the rest would flee even before I had a chance to reload.

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fe7183  No.672263

>>671246

The M9A3 has a larger mag release compared to the fs

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ad1f65  No.672297

>>672260

>t. bitch boy 9mm peter niggerfaggot

>>672262

aye, good choice. .357 will put down most prey of the 2 and 4 legged variety. y'know, it was originally designed to shoot straight through an engine block

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541286  No.672343

>>651453

Honestly OP my first was a hi point in 9mm. Now before everyone starts laughing, the whole reason why was because I initially got the hi point carbine in 9mm. The idea of having a Carbine magazine that I can slide into the Pistol and make it an extended mag in the pistol caught my fancy. That's aside from both of them being dirt cheap.

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afffdd  No.675817

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Does anyone have any opinions on the EAA witness? I'm looking for my first conceal carry gun but don't like neutering myself on capacity so that rules out compact guns, and I'm looking to spend in the neighborhood of 300 bucks.

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3426be  No.675994

>>675817

Check out police trade ins, you can get a lot of good guns for cheap. Sportsmans outdoors has a lot.

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7011f5  No.675997

>>675994

Do police trade-ins ever have subcompacts?

I want something smaller for cc when its warm out

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5b9d17  No.676461

>>675817

excellent choice

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fbb630  No.676540

>>651453

I've got a XD45 (not M) and I like it very much. I also have a Makarov, and it's a good gun as well, just bear in mind 9x18 may be less readily available. I don't have a Beretta M9, but I've shot them and they're excellent guns as well.

Personally for an autoloader, I'd stick with either .45 ACP or 9x19 due to both their effectiveness and availability of ammo. Less common calibers may become harder to find in the future based on foreseeable political changes.

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0c0fd5  No.676922

CZ P10C, Sig P320, M&P Shield, Glock

.380 will expand with the correct ammo. I carry a .380 ruger LCP II when deep concealment is needed, it is loaded with Hornandy Critical Defense. Any reliable gun will do if you put in the range time. Buy your gun, get some snap caps and learn the basic functions before you even go to the range. Have fun and be safe.

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4ea912  No.676923

>>676922

>LCP II

I have never seen anything reliably expand in that gun.

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