/k/ - Weapons

>>651295

>How is Russia even military relevant in the world?

they produce their own shit. this means they can get get stuff for, basically, as cheap as they want (as long as its more then materials+production costs), instead of sending countless milions into private corporations so they can eternally research not working airplanes

aditionally, gdp doesnt really mean shit and all these big numbers dont mean anything. what is important is buying power

>>651295

>How is Russia even military relevant in the world?

All their shit is produced in Russia, at prices dictated by the government, and they still have a huge amount of Soviet era gear to equip everyone but their A1 units with. In simplest terms, they get more for 1$ than you (or we) get for 1$, and there's a lot that they don't need to spend a penny for.

>Also: Dem nooks.

They aren't spending 3 trillion dollars on a single airplane, they go for cheaper solutions and their engineers spend more time optimizing than they do being "creative". This results in very efficient R&D and tool acquisition. In terms of their military industrial complex it is a lot more streamlined, they have a single tank factory which is fed by a few materials processing plants and smelters, which are in turn fed by dedicated mines. They go from dirt to tank in the same 300 mile radius and their entire process is a lot more industrialized. In the west a single tank part has its sub-parts made in a dozen different factories milled out of solid blocks of steel which is NOT INDUSTRIALIZED it is a crafts based manufacturing, the part then gets shipped to a dozen different places so "qualified" people can screw a single screw in, or deburr it, or paint it, none of which is done in a single place.

The same effect occurs on their training schedules. The western model has a person training about how ideologically right we are, how to treat women and where the fire extinguisher is for over two thirds of the training schedule, want to guess how much of a Russian conscript is focused on those topics? They tend to do larger group exercises, which include entire armies, whereas west tends to train at a platoon or brigade level at best. Larger exercises are more cost effective, you get more bang for your buck in terms of experience.

>their tech is horrible

In many areas it's ahead of ours, most of the areas that matter for warfare. For example our scramjet research stalled until we bought their research from the ukrainians in the 90s. They're ahead in all missile tech and propulsion excepting hydrogen storage, they're ahead in ordinance and warhead tech, shaped explosives, ahead in some types of armor, they have cheaper and more efficient body armor for example… And they aren't willing to settle for multirole designs.

>>651332

>Russian jet engines also have somewhere around half or two thirds less of a life span as western engines.

IMO that's a good thing. That way you can replace them with better ones while keeping the sexy airframe.

>>651332

>Their navy is a rusted out mess they sold to Pepsi for scrap and the fact that they are investing so heavily into warcrime containers for merchant ships shows how confident they are in their ability to fight a real war. Their radar and transistor tech has always been behind and they never developed the CNC machine without smuggling some from japan in the 80s. Megafactories are also a liability, not an advantage.

Okay, I'll bite. These are the issues of coming out of communism. The current American issues are the ones of going into it.

>>651295

Comparing economies in dollars only works when everyone is paying it's energy (oil and gas) in dollars.

Russia is the only developed country that doesn't, de facto making the whole exercise largely pointless.

What should be compared is what the Russian military is buying in rubles and compare it to the cost of similar equipment is costing the US military to create a military PPPm ratio that could yield a decent comparison. Except we can't as detailed figures are largely classified in Russia.

What can be done is looking at the export market, and knowing that those are for profit exports (while domestic purchases may run at a loss, with the export profits covering part of that loss, the companies are state owned and are regularly on technical bankruptcy).

This tells us they can probably buy a T-90M for the price of one track of a M1A2 SEP v3.

Which suddenly makes the rubble and the Russian economy (PPPm) way way way bigger that the dumb "market conversion rate" GPD makes it appear.

It also works for commercial goods (but far less as those are transit goods import/export) which reflects on the fact that onnormal PPP weighting Russia GPD is suddenly between Japan and Germany.

It's still quite far from the US but Russia doesn't have a population anywhere close to 50% of that of the US.

US shit is MASSIVELY, MASSIVELY overpriced.

Like MASSIVELY.

Honestly, given a choice of military procurement, I would focus on buying euroshit, including ruskies.

>>651295

>They must be the most militarist country, of size, in the world

OF ALL COUNTRIES THE USA SAYS THIS!!!

>>651352

>Okay, I'll bite. These are the issues of coming out of communism. The current American issues are the ones of going into it.

kek

>>651363

in addition to massive purchasing power parity variation, something like 35 percent of russian economy is grey market and barter system.

>>651380

based aussie

Where does the Wagner group fit into Russia's strategy?

>and their tech is horrible

If a war broke out between Russia and USA (It won't, because they're both good goyim), I would bet my Germany's money on Russia winning.

You all are fucking retards, think about what you wish for first instead of going all in brainless contrarianism. You fucking leftist sympathizer scum.

>>651398

But if the west has a problem, then logically what Russia does must be the solution!

Joke aside, I hope we never have to find out which side is better. Ideally we'll just have another century of each side annihilating illiterate shitskins clumsily wielding the equipment of the other side. Any real war would likely lead to a new hierarchy with China and India on top while Europe rebuilds regardless of which side comes out on top.

>>651388

It literally doesn't exist?

It's an SBU invention that frame the loose GRU management system they have for neo-cossacks as something big and spooky that could explain how the mighty ukrainian army keeps getting it's ass kicked.

It stem from the Georgian war where "volunteers" companies (mostly tied to Caucasus republics own administrations) messed up some of the operational planning of the Russian high command by using the scarce roads to get into Georgia and did quite a bit of looting, which while pretty standard for the area, didn't please Moscow one bit.

Since then they have decided that while they won't quell that "cossack spirit" (of people going of to war to defend Russian interests on a personal basis… Why the fuck would they?) but that it need to at least be coordinated with the Genshtab.

So the GRU, that already had a lot of experience with it directly controlling local battalions in Chechnya, inherited the cat herding duty.

>>651349

>Given the fact that Western ships can't fight other warships it stands to reason they exist purely to blow up civilian shipping

Yes, obviously our DDGs are designed to use their billion-dollar sensors and enormous AA/ASW armament to kill unprotected merchants.

>Even the submarines are built with a single hull and stainless goddamn steel, a design not useful for fighting enemy submarines, clearly designed to increase their raw numbers and danger to civilian shipping

Correct, it's literally impossible for subs to do any other job, they'll spontaneously explode if they try to torpedo any of those big, expensive, completely defenseless capital ships that the Russians love to build.

>The only warships with any punching power are air defense cruisers, but that's not an offensive weapon so much as a means to prevent the civilians' governments from protecting them.

?????

>>651418

This. At least a state press admits its a biased mouthpiece.

Russia doesn't have 1 million dollars of unfunded liabilities per citizen.

>>651388

Its a western misreading of the situation. Like calling the aor america stunt CIA pulled a "private military company". Its literally just some contract soldiers who are judged to be either high skill or desperate, sent to do jobs no one is dumb or courageous enough to do. Like an american crop dusting pilot looking squarely in the face of waiting for his two years older brother to die before he can inherit an iowa corn farm and deciding that maybe transporting cocaine and little boys so CIA can fuel another horror story is a better immediate term prospect. The tune might be different but the dance is the same, its a government controlled op kept at arms length so when theyre finally thrown into a cauldron and cooked, there can be no wailing Mothers Against War CIA controlled NGOs wailing - but in general they have less training and shittier equipment than a regular russian army unit.

>>651443

They would be million dollar sensors if the buyer (congressman, general) and seller (their golf buddy at raytheon) weren't openly and boldly discussing how to defraud the retarded pseudo-serf taxpayer.

>enormous AA/ASW armament

Do you mean physically large? Our largest torpedo is considered "medium armament" in Russia, and it can dive to 1200ft while the Russian subs can dive to 2000ft. It's too short ranged to get close to their surface shipping, which have tiny heat seeking torpedoes that can fuck up a Mk48's day we are just now thinking about introducing anti torpedo torpedoes and the media is making a huge deal out of it jizzing all over their keyboards

THE MAIN TORPEDO CLEARLY DOESN'T EXIST TO SHOOT THEIR SHIPS OR SUBMARINES

It's literally designed to hit cargo ships.

>>651559

Lol just turn the torpedo upside-down and detonate it above the lower sub. It’s not rocket surgery.

For one their soldiers aren't faggots and winkies riding on free college tuition.

Nationalized and streamlined production, a large healthy reservist system patriotism falling out of every orifice. If america takes 500,000 casualties they will have lost half the army, the people would riot, the cost would bring the country to its knees. If Russia took 1 mil to bring down the 500k, it would be seen as necessary sacrifice.

>>651295

Then why do I feel that BRIC (namely the "R" and "C") could win a non-nuclear war (really wish I didn't need to emphasize that, but that's morons for you) against USA and NATO?

Also, no one knows how to into Anglais anymore.

>>665515

What are you talking about? We don't use compressed air to launch torpedoes anymore, the tube is fully flooded by ambient water.

>>665533

So getting drafted in Russian is basically prision time without a reason with rape included?

>>665554

every draft is like that.

conscription is slavery

>>665590

>>665560

>>665561

>>665578

Conscription is shit if you're forced to fight for jewish interests.

>conscription isn't slavery

It literally is. What are you thinking with, you dumb fucks? Saying it's somehow good because it "makes men" is the same as saying that prison time builds character. Fuck you and your worthless nations that deserve to die and be spit on by jews if you think that enslaving citizens is somehow a good measure and adds your shithole merit. Kill yourselves, you worthless serfs.

>>665578

>being a slave-bitch for jewish bankers makes you a man

LOL

retard

>>665600

>he likes implying implications

here's a (you)

>>665601

I liek borschtsch))))

>>665600

Sounds like you should enlist in the military. Or do you need to be forced in along with thousands of leftists and muslims learning the same skills?

>>665590

you dont even have a nation to serve, just the state

>>665554

No, they just didn't update the commie conscription model. We had it here too, it's remembered for the widespread bullying. My dad told me of what happened to a young officer he knew – he was very formal, all orders and protocols, so his subordinates took out a knife, put it to his neck, and forced him to scrub the whole floor with his toothbrush while he cried and begged for mercy. No real consequences as the officer was told what would happen if he squealed. Dad just shrugged and went back to selling military surplus on the black market. Common practice with veterans was using newbies as their personal servants, sending them on "missions" like "go to the city and buy me a beer, with your own money. It better be fucking cold" and similar. Very little actual military training was being done as nobody really cared too much so long as shit was in order on paper. You can see the same shit by the end of the video with the poor shit being held at gunpoint.

>>665596

>ooga booga we're all free ooga booga

A nation that doesn't force certain rules on it's people will be chaotic and ultimately useless. Anyone against conscription is a sissy turbofaggot and you can't prove me otherwise

>>665619

Wew lad. I would have accidentally the whole barracks where it happened with some ordinance, shot anyone who got in the way, stolen a vehicle and hauled ass out of there and left the country (if I didn't get my head split open.)

>>665656

3 843 men died between 1964 and 1989 here during their mandatory conscription period, so who knows, maybe someone did go postal on his "comrades". I doubt it, though – they usually an heroed. As for ordnance… Every proper base did have a munitions depo, sure, but that depo was fucking empty most of the time. But it was guarded – conscripts guarding an empty fucking depot, writing protocols about how they guarded it, checking the fucking seal on the lock, and if anything was amiss, some higher up was gonna rip them a new asshole. Shit, higher ups bullied lower ranks all the time too – some, for example, were on the lookout for any weapons they could steal from conscripts at an uguarded moment, hid it, and then gave them a massive dressing down for "losing" their weapon.

That's what conscription was: pointless, useless bullshit where you sought to cover your ass first, make sure the papers are in order second, and maybe try to steal some shit for yourself third. Almost no military training was being done save for some basic shit – you'd probably learn more if you spent a few afternoons at the range. Most of the tasks being given were bullshit in similar vein - stuff that is useless but looks great on paper.

Seeing that russkie video seemed to fit the bill quite perfectly, so I assume that's how things still are over there.

>>665645

>nation that doesn't force certain rules on it's people

A nation is it's people, you parasitic scum. How can one talk about nations so much, yet be so detached from them?

>ultimately useless

For you? I'd call you a bug but you're worse than that, you're your nation's jew and your arrogant obsession with sissies next to you in your army proves me best. I hope you die with everything you've ever hoped to achieve resulting in failure. You're worse than a communist and deserve an even worse treatment.

>>665656

These things actually do sometimes happen here, though not even remotely as often as suicides. Both things aren't talked about, though, and the latter are probably one of the few things that can actually backfire for higher ranks that allow that if not incentivize.

>>665600

>dying for Israel

>natural selection

>>651332

>Russia has no free press to point out when a project is crashing and burning forever so it goes unnoticed

Spending a couple tens of billions instead of half trillion on it also helps.

>>665600

Ignore the ruscuck. He's a self-described marxist and most likely also turkic.

>>665709

i've never seen such an obvious and blatant projection, tbh. Are all Greeks insects similar to turkroaches?

>>665710

Dude, we literally bought you from turks. Where do you thing the term "slave" comes from?

>>665716

You also bought people from each other, does this mean you're just a separate breed of turks, greekworm?

>>665720

>You also bought people from each other,

Citation need.

Please remind me… what country are the Altai mountains in?

>>665721

>Citation need

Educate yourself, turkworm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Greece

You can't be anyone else but some rapeboy slave offspring, assuming you're even remotely greek and not a jew or turk larper. You wouldn't be so fond of asslicking and autofellation otherwise.

>>665721

How many centuries did the Turks spend raping the gene pool in Moscow? I think your Turk-hatred might hit closer to home than we thought, Μωάμεθ.

>>665732

>A nation NEEDS someone to rule it

The jew cries as he spams you.

>it will turn into garbage within a millennium

The jew calls your nation garbage.

Does anyone even need further proof that he's a jew?

>>665736

>The jew cries as he spams you.

I see where you are coming from bu you realize we only had a (((marxist))) government for the last half decade only, no?

>>665738

>I suppose it's a good think there weren't any altaics, niggers or even sandniggers in our greater vicinity back then.

So, now you're jumping to another golapost, judaic turkworm?

>Said the tatar

So i'm tatar now?

>patriotic practices like conscription

<The jew thinks if he repeats a lit again it'll become true

>>665740

>ooga booga

You keep repeating it but everyone already knows that this is the only kind of argumentation that you're able to create

>>665743

>we only had a (((marxist))) government for the last half decade only

Oh, but it seems you simply didn't need it. Judaism comes to you naturally.

>>665740

Perhaps you don't remember the cultural origins of the west? Was your bloodline elsewhere at the time? It would explain your instinctive desire to kidnap white Christians to send them off to war.

>ITT: Yet another Orthodox civil war: imageboard boogalo

>>665735

Reminder that turks were so retarded that rather than spreading their seed here they instead took women and children back to turkey, effectively spreading greek dna into their own population rather than doing the opposite

https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/greek-y-chromosomes-by-dienekes/

>>665745

>Judaism comes to you naturally.

Bitch, you bet. We've been outjewing the Jew since 800BC.

>>665744

>MUHving goalpost

That would imply that I deflected from my original point, which always was buying rape victims of turks out of White-ish solidarity and the kindness of our hearts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatar_slave_raids_in_East_Slavic_lands

>So i'm tatar now?

>now

Most likely for the last 600 years.

>>665748

>Orthodox civil war:

>implying marxists have a religion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism

>>665668

How long would it take for Antifa soykin, innawoods Stalkers and 9/11 conspiracy theorists to rebel against their ZOG handlers should the US in CY+4 enact compulsory conscription for the purpose of spreading democracy to China or Iran following the loss.jpg of two supper carriers to hordes of suicide boats or some shit?

>>665750

>We've been outjewing the Jew since 800BC

Well, seems like the jews are not the only ones you're outjewing, fellow white person.

>That would imply that I deflected from my original point

You did, you can re-read it if you're dumb enough to lose it already.

>Most likely for the last 600 years.

But you said i was turkic before, why did you change your opinion?

>>665744

>>665747

>retards still can't come up with an argument as to why a nation doesn't need a king

>>665749

So you're saying that turks and greeks are now genetically similar? I thought so but wasn't sure.

>>665753

>Well, seems like the jews are not the only ones you're outjewing, fellow white person.

If only we had that much influence, we might as well helped our Indoeuropean brothers from uncucking themselves.

>You did, you can re-read it if you're dumb enough to lose it already.

kk

>>665716

>we literally bought you from turks

>>665750

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatar_slave_raids_in_East_Slavic_lands

Yeap. Still the same.

>>665756

Inland turks are a mix of whatever shitty mongolian and shitskin tribe around

The closer you get to Greece the more similar you get, mostly due to anatolian greeks still living there after the 1920s

>>665757

>we might as well helped our Indoeuropean brothers from uncucking themselves

You? A jew is the reason of that cucking. If anything, you'd be fucking with them twice as much.

>Still the same

But why would you whine about muh proofs then, turkworm?

>>665754

You should have considered not quoting a post with an argument. Under those circumstances, it is very difficult to come up with an argument.

>>665756

>So you're saying that turks and greeks are now genetically similar?

Yes. Traitors and low-IQ plebs with not enough money to pay jizzya or fighting spirit to resist paying it tend to have similarities to their original ethnic background regardless of the amount of their inbreeeding. That's the funniest part. Russians are more turkic than the inbred Anatolo-mongrels calling themselves "turks" today are.

>>665764

>Yes

Well then, i invite everyone else on this board to treat our sperging out resident greekboys like the species they are and admit they are - roaches.

>>665762

>You? A jew is the reason of that cucking

I can understand why it's hard for your altaic ass to grasp that but one's language is usually bond to his ethnic affiliation and deep volkish culture. That's the main reason my illiterate grandma knew every "Grim Brothers'" folktale but had not the singlest clue who Aladdin, Sinbad or Ali Baba was.

>>665765

That's as sensical as saying that all countries are retards because they isolated their genetic defects in special schools.

>>665766

Ah, I had it mixed up; I forgot about the famous Greek birthplace of Autocracy, and the virile Roman Empire (before it decayed into a mere Republic)

>>665766

> Without someone to lead the people you get africa.

Tbf to get that you also need a native population of inherently mentally deficient people see pic here:

>>665742

>>665767

Ask your grandma if she knew who Moses is next time, omegajew.

>>665768

But your country is such a school.

>>665768

So that "special" coastal school would explain why there are so many roaches in the regional merchant marine then?

>>665772

>Ask your grandma if she knew who Moses is next time, omegajew.

Why don't you ask yours?

>>665776

>n-no u

What a slimy little kike.

>>665774

>many roaches in the regional merchant marine

>turks

>merchant marine

What did he mean by this?

>>665778

Oh yes, I almost forgot the (((USSR))) had completely banned non-muslim religion.

>>665779

I recall a thread a couple months ago about it, most of the crew being Turks.

>>665779

Think he confuses turkroaches with these species:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periplaneta

that achieved cosmopolitan status through maritime commerce.

>>665774

Just to clarify. Believe us when we say it, this specific blattid species cannot learn how to swim, and we really tried to teach them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vromopigada

>>665782

That's called an "infestation", not a "crew".

>>665781

>still evading the question

We're not going anywhere, ahmed goldstein.

>>665787

Are you implying that your ancestors weren't abrahamic worshipers for the entirety of the last millennium up to the point when (((Lenin))) forbid them to on the pain of death?

>>665790

>Are you implying that your ancestors weren't abrahamic worshipers for the entirety of the last millennium

Wow, you really double up on projections.

>>665790

>Because they're Orthodox Christians and they love their Military Saints They also love to make atheists, mudslimes and kikes asshurt

Like you.

>>665791

Really nigger? Are you saying that you come from a 1100 years old line of Belobog-cultists that survived turkic and chechen allahu ackbaring, St. Olga's purges and the Red Terror? Must had been some really strong squat magic protecting you.

>>665793

Not the anon you are quoting or even religious but I agree with him. Why the fuck should I tip my fedora to a religion that helped us to remain unislamified, uncucked and retain our ancestral language?

>>665795

Keep going, you surely won't have to address the point if you try once more.

>>665799

>you surely won't have to address the point if you try once more.

>said the one avoiding answering the question while I have answered all his

Yes, my grandmother was Christian.

Which White person's ancestors were not Christian at some point?

What was the religion of YOUR ancestors from 1100 to 1900 AD?

>>665800

>Yes, my grandmother was Christian

Oy vey

>Which White person's ancestors were not Christian at some point?

Yours, you'd not jump around before telling us this lie if that was true, jew monkey.

>>665801

Okay I now see what you try to imply but fortunately I can type out that Yahvee abandoned the Jews back in 160AD.

>>665804

>Yahvee abandoned the Jews back in 160AD

So how did the jews manage to stay jews afterwards, i wonder?

>>665805

By embracing Yahvee's twin sand-demon, Satan/Moloch/Baal or maybe Lilith given their matrilineal heritage.

>>665906

Careful with that, you'll give this guy >>665726 a stiffy.

>>665554

Dedovshchina

>Dedovshchina encompasses a variety of subordinating or humiliating activities undertaken by the junior ranks: from doing the chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture, including sexual torture and rape (cases of forcibly sticking bottles of glass or metal objects inside of one's anus are common). When not leaving army seriously injured, conscripts can suffer serious psychopathology for their life time. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks.

It's from wiki, I'm sure some parts are blown up, but I wouldn't discredit it fully. Hazing is very much part of militaries anywhere, though it ranges in harshness. I've heard the Korean conscripts were forced to wash their faces with human feces up unitl a couple years back and forced to defecate in front of hundreds, though I'm not sure of the veracity of such claims It seems that. conscription always brings the unwilling and worst into the army and I tend to be against it. However a militarist culture is indeed necessary for an effective army to be raised.in both voluntary forces and conscription based systems.

>>665979

Excluding

> sexual torture and rape

and

>sometimes lethal

how is one supposed to build effective disciplined soldiers with a sense of hierarchy and seniority without those?

Not saying that it makes good warriors or effective militias with combat initiative but a non-officer soldier's main purpose is to be a broken frontline grunt with rudimentary appreciation of his own life.

>>665986

>have the same backpack as 3rd pic Russian guy

cool

>>665984

But we're talking mandatory conscription here. You don't want EVERY male in your country to be fucking broken, that's just stupid.

>>665998

Oh, but he does, he fully supports every European man to be a broken submissive coward, that way he can feel less miserable himself.

>>665999

I am sure you are getting an erection as you type that but I have to admit I have absolutely no problem with using already broken willless cucks, potential commies and full blown criminals as frontline meatshields while the worthy men are in relative safety as a future eugenics' reserve.

>>666016

>I am sure you are getting an erection

No, not really. Quit projecting, you fucking faggot.

>already broken willless cucks, potential commies and full blown criminals

Good description of the greek nation, tbh.

>>666017

>Good description of the greek nation, tbh.

Also Russia. That's why we both need conscription.

>>666027

Nah, you're just projecting your shithole state even though torture won't help it anyways.

>>666031

Weren't you sperging about muh baste putin a moment ago, kike?

>>666033

He did his best to fix shit but 70 years of (((communism))) and even worse so 10 years of (((Yeltsin lolbergtardery))) aren't easy to repair.

>>666037

>He did his best to fix shit but 70 years of (((communism)))

By praising communism, i guess.

>(((Yeltsin lolbergtardery)))

AHAHAHA, now that's golden

>>666039

>Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.

>praise

>AHAHAHA,

>[nervous laughter intensifies]

>>666043

>“I liked Communist and socialist ideas very much and I like them still.”

It was populism all along.

>[nervous laughter intensifies]

<It was libertarians, not communists robbing what's left after their rule during their downfall, amirite, fellow socialists?

>>665594

I can agree to this.

Greekroach fails to understand that mandatory conscription in Sparta worked because the boys started their training fairly early in childhood and were raised in militant culture, they weren't pushed into homo camps at 18-19 and for merely a year or so. Though in Greece it varies because I know a guy born in Northern Epirus (currently occupied by Albania) who had to do 9 months since he's a repatriate. From what he said immigrants who gain citizenship have to do only 3 months.

The Czech is right about corrupt shithole bases. They're dysfunctional beyond belief. At the end of 80s my mother used to work near the barracks. One day a truck arrived and started unloading crates of canned rations in a bakery's backyard since that's the address they were given. Her owner tried to explain that the barracks are further down the road but delivery guys wouldn't have it because the invoice mentions this address period. Everyone in the bakery started taking rations home until few days later the local command started their investigation and found out about the bakery. Instead of simply taking the rations, they posted armed guards round the clock and thanks to classic commie bureaucracy it took them almost 3 weeks to get the paperwork done and pick up their stuff.

My dad was posted to these very barracks in either 1989 or 1990. It wasn't even full blown homo shit going down, it was more of daycare for guys with mentality of 5 years olds and a place to party for the officer class who didn't want to make a mess in their own unit. There were days when there wouldn't be anything to eat but alcohol was always abundant, the only guys not allowed to drink were the personal drivers of the officers. Draftees passed their days playing like little kids, trying to fix all the shit they'd broken, jerking off to playboy calendars and inviting local girls over. The biggest scandal that broke out at the time was when a drunk provisioner took a box of blank dog tags and gave them to the local kids. He fucked up big time because the nearby tenements were mostly for military families. All the retired zogbots were furious. The guy was court-martialled in no time and nobody heard from him again.

>>666044

><It was libertarians, not communists robbing what's left after their rule during their downfall, amirite, fellow socialists?

>selling off all the national industry to plutocrats

>selling off most of their defense technology to Lockheeb

>selling off all their attractive women to pissrael and t*rkey

>leave the vast majority of the population in the immediate danger to either starve or freeze to death because 70 years of communist tyranny left them without money and that's not the problem of the private investors that bought off the food, fuel and timber industries

>i-IT WASN'T REAL CAPITALISM!

>>666052

>communists doing communist stuff

<UH NO, LOOK IT'S CAPITALISM

>>>/leftypol/ and never return

>>666053

All meds and other brown mutts are commie-leaning, it's in their blood.

>>666050

>they weren't pushed into homo camps

They kinda literally were. Sparta was among the last city-state to abolish pederasty. Also why the fuck do I get the impression that homosexuality has epidemic proportions in Slav conscript forces? Here if you are not relieved from serving duties on the ground of claiming homosexuality it's further "don't ask and we will make sure that you don't tell"

>>666057

<it's capitalism when communists are privatizing and monopolizing industry

Really, nigger.

>>666056

You don't even understand what I said. They were pushed into military training when they were like 7 years old, it was an integral part of their upbringing. It's not the same as taking grown up soyboys and trying to make something out of them in a year's span, then throwing them back into the soy-addled society where they'll be expected to continue living wagecuck lives of comfort. If you want a nation of strong men, you have to raise them that way. When they're over 18 it's already over.

>>666059

Never claimed you can make true warriors out of soyboy cucks with conscription. You just secure a convenient cannonfodder and that in case of war you won't sacrifice your best for menial tasks while the soyboys, cowards and traitors stay back to repopulate and dysgenize.

>>665738

>girl in no pasaran shirt

look at that face. She totally wants to get prison fucked. wtf.

>>666060

>privatizations are communism

Not to intrude on your autistic shitflinging with the Russkie, but privatization is how ex-commies check out. I don't think there's been a single privatization deal done after communism ended that wasn't 100% corrupt on every level.

>>666067

True but doesn't make the deal any less capitalist.

>>666061

First of all, conscription teaches you very little of value, second of all, you gain wartime-levels of attrition from suicides, third of all, you are wasting shitloads of money on the program itself and on not having all those people working in the economy, all for practically no benefit, and finally, none of the people who went through this will be some sort of a ready-made cannon fodder and will need to be retrained anyway should a war start since they would have forgotten everything and gotten out of shape, if that was their lifestyle prior to the conscription. Nobody I know who went through the conscription process thinks it a time well spent – it was a shit time spent doing pointless shit often with complete subhuman. The extent of knowledge gained was "I was taught how to clean my gun, but I forgot that long ago now, lol". The only positive anyone ever mentions is "it builds character :DDDD" and sure, it does that, unless you fucking an hero due to being tortured by subhumans for 2 years for symbolic pay all the while being exploited by higher ranks for slave labour. The "character building" is actually "enduring suffering or learning to be enough of a weasel to avoid suffering in the first place" which sure are valuable lessons, I guess, but at that point, you might as well literally enslave people for two years, whipping them every day while building actually useful shit rather than play soldiers.

>>666070

>capitalism is anything i don't like, and communists are also capitalists now

>>>/leftypol/ , and stay there, again.

>>666072

I remember that his beloved Golden Dawn wanted to make conscription mandatory for every woman too. Maybe it changed in the last few years but the idea was out there for a long time.

>>666074

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Yeltsin

>Yeltsin transformed Russia's socialist economy into a capitalist market economy, implementing economic shock therapy, market exchange rate of the ruble, nationwide privatization and lifting of price controls.

>implying I implied communism is any better than the same shekel's other side

>>>/lgbt/

>>666072

>First of all, conscription teaches you very little of value

Good enough for a patriot to learn the basics of war and for a soyboy to be a free cleaning lady and a meatshield.

>you gain wartime-levels of attrition from suicides

That's a sacrifice every armed force should be willing to make. Just have to make sure that the suicides are leftists, soys and emos also make sure you don't fall behind in the annual suicide quota not good lads that had their morale and self-worth broken.

>you are wasting shitloads of money on the program

Conscripts do it for free. The cost of feeding them is counterbalanced by the slave-labour they perform.

>and on not having all those people working in the economy

Oh yes, writing subversive articles and making citizen Schlomo Shekelstein rich by wagecucking is such a positive contribution to their country's economy.

>>666055

>All meds and other brown mutts are commie-leaning, it's in their blood.

>Portugal

>One of the longest lasting authoritarian(not including monarchies) government in Europe that actively supressed communists/marxists and liberalists.

>Sent the Viriatos Legion to help the Spanish fight against the communists.

>Was in a secret alliance with South Africa and Rhodesia against commies and niggers.

>Literally waged a war against communists in Africa,having only the help of "Alcora" while the niggers were being backed by basically everyone else.

Why must you do this to us m8?

>>666077

>believing poplist proclamations made by the former communists

This leftist denial is getting boring.

>>666080

>it's a much better experience than its alternative, conscription by turks

Why would it be? You've already repeatedly stated that you're willing to make conscription as miserable and wasteful as you can, with all your hate towards any self-respecting person with any dignity left.

>>666082

>greek

>talks about jewish projection.

Now that's what i call a recursion

>>666072

>conscription teaches you very little of value

It turned me into a paratrooper

>>666075

>Golden Dawn wanted to make conscription mandatory for every woman too

All men and women (with the exception of mothers) at the age of 18 will be drafted for 14 months. However, women will not be allowed in combat-related roles.

They will learn how to take care of the wounded, cook and exercise. If you see something wrong with this then you're a faggot.

>>666078

Last I checked Moortugal didn't have access to Mediterranean.

>>666083

In his mind it's probably like "just walk in, firmly shake your CO's hand and tell him you're from /k/ and you want to be in the kebab remover squad instead of the soyboy floor scrubber units".

>>666085

Yes, I see everything wrong with trying to teach that to women when they're already 18 years old roasties instead of teaching them gradually since they're little. And there's something fundamentally wrong with taking them away from home and putting them in the midst of other mindless roasties, look no further than convents. They're not going to become good caretakers if they're not willing to learn this stuff out of their own volition.

>>666087

>instead of teaching them gradually since they're little

There are plans on a complete change of the educational system too.

>learn this stuff out of their own volition

People are 25 years old and they don't know how to pay their bills, how to cook an egg, how to do laundry and yet you still think we can trust anyone to learn things "out of their own volition".

>>666077

>Good enough for a patriot to learn the basics of war

Exercise and gun basics? You'd trade two years of your life for that shit?

>That's a sacrifice every armed force should be willing to make.

It breeds resentment from the population, wastes valuable workforce, and it's definitely not just soycucks that anhero. All it takes is to be unlucky - a couple gypsies deciding you'll be the new bitch and making your life hell, while the higher ranks don't give a single shit and other troops don't interfere since they have their own shit to deal with.

>Conscripts do it for free. The cost of feeding them is counterbalanced by the slave-labour they perform.

They labour they perform is of zero value to anyone and you need actual professional soldiers to be there at least from time to time so that there is at least some amount of expertise.

>Oh yes, writing subversive articles and making citizen Schlomo Shekelstein rich by wagecucking is such a positive contribution to their country's economy.

What sort of an argument is that? You realise EVERY SINGLE MALE (unless excusing himself by being an invalid or similar) will waste that time there, right? That it will aflict every single industry and service?

>>666083

>You've already repeatedly stated that you're willing to make conscription as miserable and wasteful as you can

You either think that leftists and other cucks deserve rights or don't have the singlest clue what t*rkish conscript life looks like.

>>666087

>shake your CO's hand and tell him you're from /k/ and you want to be in the kebab remover squad instead of the soyboy floor scrubber units

In Greece you can choose where to enlist. Anyone choose the special forces and as long as he passes the tests he will be accepted. The only retards who end up in soy units are anti-military fags who choose to be put into the most worthless places available.

They can choose to be paratroopers, trained in mountain warfare, artillerymen, engineers, even join the navy. And yet they instead go for some literally-who base in the middle of nowhere where all they do all day is wash dishes, look at paint dry and clean bathrooms.

>>666089

You should end up in a hospital, nursed by a bitter nun who was put in the convent by her parents and missed out on life so she's taking it out on other people or some trust fund kiddie "doctor" whose rich doctor parents bought him a degree just so the kid could inherit their business.

It would be far better to bring back shit like boy scouts than to try training vapid roasties whose brains are already rotten and wired to think only about chad's cock and spending betabux.

>>666090

>It breeds resentment from the population

Good. More closet commies to purge.

>>666087

>Last I checked Moortugal didn't have access to Mediterranean.

We are still considered Mediterranean.

But even if you don't include Portugal,you still have:

Spain,who had one of the best fascist leaders(José António Primo de Rivera)and one of the best fascist movements( Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las Juntas de Ofensiva Nacional Sindicalista),that had a civil war to avoid going full commie.

Italy,the birthplace of fascism.

And Greece,who had civil war against communists,and that had miltary junta for a few years to avoid communist subversion.

>>666094

oh you can also choose to be put into an armored division too, and even become a Leo tank commander

>>666097

You lads need to elect the PNR

>>666093

>leftists and other cucks deserve rights

So your whole population is those? Cause you're forcing everyone in there.

>don't have the singlest clue what t*rkish conscript life looks like

I don't, but you assured me quite well that greeks can beat them in savagery.

>>666101

>you assured me quite well that greeks can beat them in savagery

Is it any surprise? As he bragged, they share the same blood.

>>666102

>they share the same blood

And even bits of language.

>>666102

I mean, yes, he wants to copy the turkish conscription system, basically, it seems. Maybe he should simply go to turkey himself, as to get closer to culturally similar people?

>ITT: slavtards don't like conscription because it hurts their feefees

>>666100

They are actually somewhat decent,one of the few articles that they had dennounced Israel actions in Gaza and complained about USA "hipocrisy".

The biggest problems that i have with them is that they shill for "Lusitanian Integralism" that advocates for any non-white element in the country to "integrate",and that they want to avoid being put alongside the fascists in terms of ideology.

>>666109

>they shill for "Lusitanian Integralism" that advocates for any non-white element in the country to "integrate",and that they want to avoid being put alongside the fascists in terms of ideology.

Ah, so they're fags too after all. Is there anyone else natsoc-tier?

>>666107

>watch me run away as i project my butthurt on everyone else

Damn these evil slavtards, not allowing jewish breed to sperg rampant!

>>666107

Or Streloks with military positions more complex than

>Airdropping in the middle of the pitch-black night in a swamp with literally 80kg of equipment and then marching for 5 miles through mud

Don't want even more unmotivated nigger-IQ leftists clogging up engineering and analyst positions.

>>666110

>Ah, so they're fags too after all. Is there anyone else natsoc-tier?

Unfortunately no,i have seen some portuguese anons talkig about creating small fascist cells in different parts of the country.

Our best chance is for Spain to go,for some reason,in the same route that France did with the Yellow Vests,if a similar movement rises in Spain(even if it decides to be marxist) then Portugal will see a massive rise in Fascism.

>>666113

>war is all rosepedals and pretty butterflies

The fuck happened to /k/?

>>665986

The National guard is the standardization of a shitload of paramilitary units first you have everything that was "MVD VV":

SN - or special police commandos or spetsnaz. Operate in 16 battalion size units stationed across Russia (10,000 men) and would be those in your picture. There is also a 2-3 battalion size unit in the national reaction division.

ON - or operational force which are "light infantry" units ranging from the national reaction division (ODON 10,000 men) to regional brigades and regiments. Stationed across the country (30-35,000 men) but primarily in the West and Caucasus.

SM - special motorized military or military police type units ranging from division to battalion size. May also be called military commandant units in North Caucasus. Used for patrolling and guard duties based in large urban centers and the North Caucasus (40-50,000 men). In the North Caucasus there is little difference between the SM and ON forces, elsewhere they're mostly regular police reinforcement.

VG - military guard units ranging from Nuclear facilities, Defense Industries, Restricted Zones to other national strategic points. Closest US equivalent I can think off would be Capitol Police. Except if it was for Lockheed and cie…

Then you have the non VV units:

SOBR which are typical SWAT teams in cities.

OMON which is the riot special police (but retain an infantry training).

The multiple SWAT teams that were under other services for no discernible reason (FSKN, GAI, Restricted Zones response teams, etc…) all of which had their own vehicles, sometime their own helicopters…

Then you have the Okhrana.

The Okhrana is something really weird, basically realizing that the cops were understaffed, underpayed and pretty much already not moving unless payed directly in cash due to the 90's corruption… They just made it official.

They created a state enterprise… of PRIVATE security.

And it worked!

They basically split the police force in two, and run for profit half of it, while the other half was payed with taxes.

The half on state budget enjoyed a considerably bigger budget and after a few purges became way more professional, could concentrate on actual crime solving and major crimes, while the other half became mall ninjas wet dream association, AKA they're payed for the service they provide (guarding and patrolling) by businesses and associations and what not their job is mostly tossing drunkards out and teens horsing around but they're trained and supervised exactly the same as the real police, including response teams (private SWAT teams trained and certified by the State. Tell that to anyone that tells you Russia is communist next time) it also include private armies like Kadyrov's…

So when it appeared unified it was about the same as US """law enforcement""" (if you're charitable) with thousands of different units shopping for gear where they could depending of a thousand different entities for budget.

The National Guard thing is largely an administrative simplification which is basically "everyone with that does peace-keeping within the borders of Russia is subordinate to the Ministry of Interior, and there is only two Federal Service, the Police and the National Guard". with the National guard getting all the "intervention" style units as they can share the training facilities with the much bigger units that don't really do a police job.

It doesn't really change anything units-wise as each unit probably still do their unique jobs.

>if there are any plans to consolidate equipment and uniforms

Well they are phasing out tracked vehicle completely and seem to have standardized armor on the same MRAPs as the army experimental "super light" brigade so there is definitely some synergy there and they should be more standardized in the future.

All once standardized it can make for a decent reserve of trained light infantry that can quickly mobilized.

BTW only pic 2 is a unit merged in Rosgardia, the others look like FSB spetsnaz. The FSB keep it's spetsnaz and the border guards.

>>666116

Reread my post and restate your argument, because you sound like a bad AI trying to converse.

>>666121

Oh okay then, see:

>>666094

We don't put fucking commies in vital operational positions. We put them on the grinder wherever actual and maintaining low casualties skill is not that important.

>>666113

>nigger-IQ leftists clogging up engineering and analyst positions

They don't, they all become i-4 nobodies and they're used for cleaning toilets

>>651381

>kek

cry harder

>based aussie

you're goddamn right

>>666112

Now why would you shoot a perfectly good loli? It's no wonder these guys lost the cold war.

>>666235

She was used goods at that point

>>666255

Definitely a good reminder to show no mercy to kikes and their commie golems.

>>651557

Submarines don't hunt other submarines because the best way to find a submarine is with active sonar, and submarines don't use active sonar because it gives away their position.

This is wild

>>666356

>2040

Have higher standards, Antonious.

>>666386

>the killers could hear moans and whimpers inside the room

>ordered to proceed with their bayonets, a technique which proved ineffective and meant that the children had to be dispatched by still more gunshots

We need to come up with a torture horrible enough to make up for their jewish crimes. Thing is, not even scaphism would make up for it, and so we need to find or come up with something else. Mexican executions of cutting off faces isn't enough either. We need to go deeper

>>666388

It logistically cannot happen before 2040, but I won't be fit for war after 2050 either so 2040 is the longest I can wait for an official declaration of war.

>>666390

How about a blood eagle?

>>666391

There has to be a scientific way to cause maximum-possible pain signals without however damaging the person's nerves.

>>666391

Kills too quickly

>>666398

>>666391

I'm reading up stuff and it would seem that we could cause suicide-inducing tier pain by fucking around with the trigeminal nerve. Though that's just faggy information off of a quick search. I doubt it's that simple. I wonder if there truly is a list of the absolute worst thing the human body is physically capable of experiencing without instant shutdown

>>666406

> the absolute worst thing the human body is physically capable of experiencing without instant shutdown

Islamic communism.

>>651295

>Their economy is trash

Their economy is huge and they have massive resource / oil advantages over most other countries in the world. Their economy looks small compared to America and China, but in relative terms it's one of the biggest economies in the world.

>>666432

Russian GDP is 1.5 trillion.

Italian GDP is 2 trillion

UK GDP is 3 trillion.

What are you smoking retard

>>666435

>implying they couldn't roflstomp both simultaneously

>>666464

How could they do that? GDP is like the mana pool of a country, you use it to summon soldiers warfighters and matériel out of thin air. Russia has less GDP, therefore it's destined to lose in a war. Not to mention that they don't have democracy, and in the end that's what really matters.

t. Western politician

>>666435

Well, Strelok, there are two ways to interpret that. Either Russia has somehow worse economy that a state fraction its size that's been flirting with bankrupcy for years now, or GDP is not a measurement metric (or your data is fucking wrong, but I trust you to have pulled them from a good source)

>>666118

Wow thanks Frenchanon, this is far more comprehensive than anything I've ever found in English or Japanese.

>>666475

I can detail it a bit more for the units that are oriented combat.

The way it's structured is:

Regional Command -> Division or Brigade -> Regiment or Battalion, generally a regiment is just 2 battalions with a HQ. Division/brigade can be a proper operational unit but typically it's an administrative local command with the attached support service.

There is a Headquarters and then the command is geographically split in 8 National Guard districts:

-Central district of the troops of the National Guard (Moscow), "eagle".

-Northwest district of the troops of the National Guard (Saint-Petersburg), "sphinx".

-Volga district of the troops of the National Guard (Nizhniy-Novgorod), "stag"

-South district of the troops of the National Guard (Rostov-On-Don), "?".

-North-Caucasus district of the troops of the National Guard (Pyatigorsk), "stallion",

-Ural district of the troops of the National Guard (Ekaterinburg), "salamander".

-Siberian district of the troops of the National Guard (Novosibirsk), "bear".

-Eastern district of the troops of the National Guard (Khabarovsk), "tiger".

Headquarters, command directly, national reaction units, "Panther", the national guard aviation (helicopters and transport planes), communications hub, etc…

(I don't know the animal for the South district that was created mostly on the Ukrainian MVD defecting units, unassigned animals are scorpion, lion, wolf, "griffon" is for the schools, "owl" is for the okhrana).

By troops types you have

- SN (spetsnaz) ~10,000 personnel in 18 units:

–"604th Center" former 1st and 8th OSN (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division",

–7th OSN "Rosich" (Novocherkassk)

–12th OSN "Ural" (Nizhny Tagil)

–15th OSN "Vyatich" (Armavir)

–17th OSN "Edelveys" (Mineralnye Vody)

–19th OSN "Ermak" (Novosibirsk)

–21st OSN "Tayfun" (Sosnovka)

–23rd OSN "Mechel" (Chelyabinsk)

–25th OSN "Merkuriy" (Smolensk)

–26th OSN "Bars" (Kazan)

–27th OSN "Kuzbass" (Kemerovo)

–28th OSN "Ratnik" (Arkhangelsk)

–29th OSN "Bulat" (Ufa)

–30th OSN "Svyatogor" (Stavropol)

–33rd OSN "Peresvet" (Moscow)

–34th OSN "Skif" (Grozny)

–35th OSN "Rus" (Simferopol)

–? OSN "Rosomak" (Zheleznogorsk).

- ON (light infantry type) ~37,000 personnel, 28 units.

–2nd ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"

–4th ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"

–5th ON regiment (Moscow), assigned to ODON "Dzerzhinsky Division"

–21st ON division (Sofrino)

–34th ON division (Shumilovo)

–42nd ON division (Angarsk)

–46th ON division (Grozny)

–47th ON division (Krasnodar)

–82nd ON division (Barnaul)

–102nd ON division (Makhackala)

–112th ON division (Simferopol)

Note that those "division" (sometimes they're called brigades too) aren't operational bodies but made up of the whole of spectrum of ON, SN, SM battalions. However the ON Divisions are (supposedly) capable to field a "normal size" mobile light infantry "reaction brigade" from their units.

Then you have the "Police Special Units" ~34,400 personnel

- OMON ~25,000 personnel in 21 units, riot police, they have been reformed fully and are at the size of a standard Russian motorized infantry battalion , except following the 2 Battalion 1 HQ that seem to be typical in the internal troops (VS 3/1HQ in the Russian army at large).

- SOBR ? companies size elements, SWAT. SOBR teams seem to have standardized around 150 men each so about 4 platoon of infantry + staff.

>>666499

So yeah the Russian "quick reaction reserve" of light infantry is about the size of the current french land army.

>>666435

>Burger education.

How many time do we have to go over this?

You can't compare apples and bananas you need a common reference point, the reference point is energy as everything in an economy necesserily comes from it.

GDP comparison (as flawed as it already is) only makes sense when countries are paying their energy in $US (aka the infamous petrodollar), which is the case of almost every country due to the OPEP cartel and the US enforcement of oil trade in $US.

Almost every country except… Russia! That is the only developed country that DOESN'T buy it's energy in $US.

The result of this is that the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP) knowing full well that PPP itself is a questionable measurement that can be largely inexact due to it's nature of over-weighting the commercial and civilian consumer goods market of a country which is of little help compared to State economy itself (and again Russia is outside the norm with most of it's major industrial conglomerates bieng State controlled coupled with an over-importation of consumer goods). In GPD(PPP) Russia is at the level of Germany, the reality pretty much everyone aggrees on is that it's probably somewhere between Japan and Germany… Which is around where Russia should be considering their population (Russia doesn't have half the population of the US and barely more than Japan) and their "poor economy" (IE: "for a 1st world state"… If they had a good economy they'd be in front of Japan).

>>666471

Or maybe one is pervasively corrupted while the other can budget itself

>>666406

You could probably do something with those microwave weapons America is working on.

>>651299

That's a good point. Sort of the opposite of what my military does, namely waste my tax dollars on overpriced bids, new tech, and to cover the legal fees of some crayon muncher who can't help but rape locals.

>>651295

Nukes.

>>666594

>The result of this is that the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP

> good way to see who is living on someone else money is the NIIP

Pick one you literal retard

>>666612

>the only remotely valid mesurement of the Russian economy is gonna be GPD(PPP

Yes they are

Screech more, you've contradicted yourself twice over trying to defend the Russian economy

http://scumbagwatch.com/wp-admin/index.php

>>651311

You must be talking about Canada, USA is 50 years ahead of Russia. They just use propaganda most of the time.

>>651311

>want to guess how much of a Russian conscript is focused on those topics?

yes im willing to guess. i would bet they barely go over any topics. period. even military ones, because

you've bought into the slavbu propaganda bullshit hard, about how russians are some super hardy, down to earth, no bullshit fighting force

that disparity in money you see isn't because russians are so much better at doing stuff than other powers. its because theres a point of diminishing returns for increased performance in military hardware. western nations are willing to spend outrageous amounts of money for the cutting edge of performance. meanwhile russia can barely muster the funds to keep its ships from rotting in the docks. let alone fully modernize and competently train its military

another thing you dont seem to realize is that all bureaucracies are barely functioning messes. you've probably heard much about american or canadian military absurdities. however i can guarantee you that the western countries bureaucratic tangle works better than russia's bureaucratic tangle. all the issues of russian society are reflected in its military, namely massive corruption, a declining population, and alcoholism. having to listen to a powerpoint brief about how being a tranny is alright is a mild problem in comparison.

in 1945, Jews appointed by FDR to "manage" the Atomic Bomb project stole secrets and gave them to fellow Jews in USSR.

THAT is why Russia has a military today.

>>666868

>USA is 50 years ahead of Russia.

In what? Name a field of military technology ffs. You're 50 years ahead in quantity and money and sheer construction manpower maybe.

Take the 1.5 trillion dollars America spends on military, and spend it on:

>A) American way of doing things by splitting factories in all fifty states and marrying obsolete tech with one or two hyper performance parts that are wayyy past diminishing returns of R&D.

>B) If you took the way Russians do things, centralizing factories near resource base, and the simplicity and practicality of their technology.

Which version will give you more bang for the American taxpayer dollar.

>>666872

I don't know, you're still basically just saying "we have money", which doesn't mean your tech is any better. You're kind of proving that Russians are a super hardy, down to earth, no bullshit fighting force.

There is zero fat on the Russian military industrial complex, no one is making fat stacks of dough, it's about as high performance as these things get.

Why not emulate it?

>>667114

Oh jeez here's the kikebait. Retard the USSR government was led by a Russian exactly twice in its entire history, and is responsible for the ethnic cleansing of 75 million Russians.

>>651349

Alot of words to show you are ignorant on this subject. AD USAF here.

>>667248

Retired six star general ex JCOS advisor moved to Canada to enjoy the maple and bird hunting here.

What wuld Russia's military be like today had they signed some armistice with the German Empire in late 1915/early 1916, leading to the Central Powers winning the war and the Tsar not getting himself and his entire Family ritually murdered by (((them)))?

>enter thread

>30% of it is some xenopidoraha's asshurt

Another day, another reason to implement the Internet User Licenses requiring age of 18 and passing written exam to obtain.

>>651295

for american airplanes you need perfectly clean airports, russian airplanes dont care, you can repair lots of things with just basic tools..

i knew a guy who repaired grounded afghan mi24 with his bare hands and basic tools, american were watching in awe, amazed..

in case of on going war russian planes would be still flying while western planes would be grounded soon without spare parts

russian military equipment is your 60s car that you can repair at home and western equipment is your modern Tesla that you have no chance to repair without specialized repair facility

>>651299

THIS. Americans seem to have a fantasy view of 'economics' that is honestly, not real at all.

For example: just because stocks are up doesn't mean its good just as if their down it doesn't mean its bad either. In fact the stock market is an investors' casino, to enrich bankers and CEOs and shareholders, NOTHING ELSE. Its NOT the real economy. Investors can make or lose money, thats pretty much it, a casino. Lots of people here think the economy is great when in fact 3 out of 4 factories are still closed down from all the years of outsourcing.

Russia is different. They utilize their own resources big time, they don't have debts like we do, they never outsourced their industries, they manage to get things built for DIRT CHEAP….. unlike here in the US where the Navy spends $700 for each toilet bowl lid made in Taiwan!

Get it, OP?

>>667703

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>>667246

>was led by a Russian exactly twice

Who's the second?

Because one of them is Gorbatchev who fucking dismantled the USSR.

>>651349

Lol, I love Russia's propaganda, *proof that their military readiness may not be so accurate* But our electronic warfare is amazing, and we have the best people on it! (Only 150 million people) Lol, I think it's hilarious! It's always what's just behind the curtain for them, and what you can see just isn't ever up to par. It's kind of hilarious you have to admit!

>>667718

>Who's the second?

Malenkov? Although he barely ruled the USSR.

>>667703

Not to derail the thread, but do you guys like those NORA B 52s you bought from us or are they complete shit?

>>651295

Vietnam vs France

Vietnam vs US

Vietnam vs China

Vietnam vs Cambodia

>>667761

they're pretty neato

>>667761

They're better than gay archer which costs as much as two F-5 freedom fighters.

>>667739

Go to the nearest watch floor, grab the first 20-something analyst that refuses to make eye contact, and give him your job. You clearly type like a Gen X and I hope to god you're not tier 2+.

>>667739

>real unironic boomerposting

This is real right?

>>667703

Its astounding how many people, specifically burgerniggers, think the realeconomy is somehow tied to the derivatives shenanigans of a bunch of parasitic bankster kikes

>>668723

>As fucked up as it sounds, the retarded military-industrial system of the US today produces higher quality equipment faster and with less dead soldiers than the legacy system of in-house production and development.

That's wrong though. You also forgot how much more expensive the jewish military-industrial complex is for the fatmerican tax-payer.

>>668782

Given the size of your country and population (5-10 million people) you're actually producing a lot of interesting weapons. I mean New York is larger and has more people with NY police department having more infantry than Serbia. Compared to the world size of nations vs their military effect I would put yours at something like UK or Italy sized, which have ten times more people.

B52 is interesting because its a heavy artillery system that's completely self sufficient. It can fight its way through enemy infantry with armament comparable to an IFV, cross mud, forest, road and river to set itself up, and then it can proceed to fuck up a target 35 miles away while surviving counterbat fire. There's nothing on the planet which comes close to that, most truck based systems are too lightly armed and armored, and most tracked systems lacked the personnel and ammo capacity to do any harm without a fleet of supply trucks.

You also have an interesting mini cruise missile (ALAS), an interesting mini ballistic missile (Sumadija), and interesting rifle (M21) which beats western designs for accuracy and eastern designs for reliability. It's fucking mind boggling you haven't conquered your neighbors by now.

>>668843

OOF man, time for some reality wake up call - it's not that peachy. Everything you mentioned is still being developed and is being continuously upgraded and "improved" without going into mass production, except rifle M21 (which is domestic plastic 5.56x45 AK, sold to Africans to genocide other Africans, e.g. Cameroon massacre of 2018) and early versions of NORA. Reasons? Not so competent head figures of the projects and sucking up all that miserable military budget, yes, even poor nations have their Lockheeb.

That being sad, we do have more military industry and research capabilities than others and we do export far more arms and ammo than anyone around us, except maybe the Bulgars. Opportunities are there to develop really neat weapons which you mentioned such as that missile system Šumadija and ALAS system, but corruption and lack of money and lack of political will and foreign political pressures AND few other things are making these projects hard to compete. We won't mention that some of these projects started back in the 80s and are only now hitting the shelves. NORA is not the only one armored, G6 is also there. There's just not enough money for lots of new funz, most of the money is spent on salaries and such and whatever remains is sucked dry by crooks who sell their retarded self-jerking fantasies about "what our new, modern weapon systems should look like" or is not enough for projects that are actually worth money.

Fuck if I know, maybe I'm just too blackpilled after reading all the local forums and following local news and reading some inside info. But again when I see how our neighbours kvetch and whine about our somewhat decent successes or mock us I can't help but think we may actually pull it off and actually create more advanced and affordable system in near future.

>>668874

Why do Serbs have a tendency to shit on themselves? Is it just crab mentality?

>>666426

STOP, I can only get so scared.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism

>>651295

Dunno if relevant, but it clearly shows on Russian television (I'd give it 8/10 for propaganda value btw) that the Russian military is state owned and they're having an as-publicly-clear-as-possible approach to militarism, since everybody knows how much needed it is to be able to fight back from encroachment yet not bee too intimidating for others for them to start attacking them out of fear.

After the announcement of their upper hand in the atomic race again thanks to some new mach 10 nukes, the Russians try to adapt to their superiority at the moment, they all know, can be used to perpetuate conflict if not born with humility. I think they all know this.

I don't think morale has been higher at any time. Nationalism is rampant and freely expressed, uniting several peoples under one flag. Current government is redpilled.

There are lots of social issues still. There is room for the willing to turn the gears of this flexible and growing economy. They economy might be in some regards seen as one of the most promising, as I see it. The main factor here is how the ethnic Russian Jews and ethnic Russian spirit tries to cooperate as much as possible, thanks to their common enemy. Lots of international interests still got their grip on a lot of infrastructure, and we might be aware of how 'nationalized' institutions and projects might in fact be under cover sold out to international interests. But even if that's happening, it's the least amount of corruption they try to aim for. It's better to forgive theft for 10x if the value of operative production is 1000x to the rest of the country. Sleigh of hand is common practice for people who reach the top. It's almost mandatory, yet frowned upon. They strive for balance, atleast.

I think high-precision weaponry like missiles and air superiority usually wins the tactical battle, and Russia is currently doubling down on manufacture of these missiles. They won Syria, and most of the mad muslim mercenaries in the area have been taken out. It might take 5-10 years for the next Jihad wave to be recruited.

The next proxy war the western military complex wants to create will be in South America if anywhere. Russia will deliver the peace keeping weaponry solutions, as the energy cabal needs boots on ground to secure their profits.

Russian morale is the highest of all the big players, I think. They're on the defensive. Chinese military is lowest and American patriotism clearly is big enough to cover half of the globe with highly trained killers.

This is new.

>>669013

> American patriotism clearly is big enough to cover half of the globe

>being in countries completely unrelated to the one you sworn to protect for no other reason than to get gibs and rape white women

>patriotism

Pick one, it's just mystery meat and negroids being given guns and sent to kill, rape or maim enemies of israel.

>>669013

Hooktube is dead, fam. The owner got stomped by Google, and now it's just a direct YouTube embed website. Use invidio.us instead.

>Ops-Core helmets

Why is every nation using these now? Yeah, sure being able to use active-earpro/radio-headsets is non-negotiable by now, but you can integrate that capability into national designs instead of buying the same shit from the same company as everyone else. Now every nation looks the same. Why did the big sandbox ruin all aesthetics in the military?

>>668982

It's O.K anon, things will get better after everyone that's over the age of 60 dies off or civil war, whichever comes first.

>>669023

Efficiency, I guess. Also, back when you'd be able to 'see the white in their eyes' you probably were sure of what front you were fighting on to start off with, thus making it smart to brand your forces with 'traditional clothing' or a unifying form, uniform.

>>669027

Yeah, sure it's efficient to funnel all money from all helmet procurement from next to all countries on earth to one company. Nothing bad can come from a near monopoly on helmet production and exporting.

The privatization of military industry was a mistake. I blame the Br*ts.

>>669025

You know very well which will come first… and it won't be the age…

>>665732

The price of vice is the loss of liberty. The ruler of a nation only needs to force laws (justifiable laws that is) when people don't act neighborly and civilized. So for conscription, it would only be justified if there was a need that no one is voluntarily filling, and with most of the countries that conscript, the outcome is usually garbage, and truly does ruin a nation. You wouldn't have the heroin epidemic in the US and Russia if it weren't for attempts to play world police in Vietnam and Afghanistan with conscripts whose lives are taken from under their feet. It used to be that car accidents were the number one cause of death in the US, now it's drug overdose.

Unless you are protecting your border or removing invaders, conscription seems self destructive in the long run.

>>669035

Privatization didnt result in centralization, it resulted in the opposite.

>>669391

>Can't have a functional fighting force without some expendable frontline meatshields

Yeah, if you're going full total war maybe, otherwise you should have a competent force and no need of fucking meatshields that cannot fight and cannot be taught how to fight. Every country that went in total war mode knew it was in deep shit and that it does so despite the massive future costs it'll incur. Meanwhile you propose doing this bullshit in peacetime.

>you can't have a functional country without purging "people not supposed to be in the military".

Are you genuinely retarded? Who the fuck is going to keep the country running while all the spartan übermensch die at the front? You seem to be under the impression that "people not supposed to be in the military" is some 4% homo fragment, but no, that's the fucking majority of the population. You think some dude who made a living baking cakes and never had to hit anything more dangerous than dough will do just fine after being thrown into a trench full of mud and blood while on low rations? How about after two months? Or a guy that spent his life coding and visually represents a walking skeleton – think you can give him a rifle and gear and ask him to fucking march somewhere? You need these people to keep your fucking country running, to have an economy, but you absolutely do not want these people to go at the front, because they will be fucking useless and because you will be losing money by taking them from the workforce. You don't do fucking Volkssturm unless you are truly desperate.

>Chaff from wheat

Literally retarded

>Conscription can either break you or forge you into unbreakability.

<"Yeah, my comrades raped me in the ass every day, but, you know, I learned to enjoy it. I cannot be broken by mere assrape, the enemy has nothing on me. I have become unbreakable."

>>669394

>muh "economy"

Who cares about retarded made-up (and rigged) bullshit like that? The only "economy" you need is duty.

Conscript everyone startinf as early as five years old or so. Make military the only thing in everyones' lives. Use the undesirables as cannon fodder and everyone else as military roles.

You're were a baker? Now you're a soldier/MRE producer.

Coder? Soldier and systems engineer.

Everyone is a soldier and some other military role based on their aptitude.

>muh homorape

FORCE OTHERS TO BEAT THE FUCKER'S BRAINS OUT WITH SHOVELS AND DISMEMBER THE CORPSE IN FRONT OF A LARGE AUDIENCE

A real society is built on force, fear, and duty.

You are a cuck.

>>669404

>"Charge!"

<"S-Sir, we have no ammo. It ran out. All of it."

>"How is that possible?"

<"The factories all stopped – all the men got conscripted and the women and elderly refused to work for free."

>"Very well, then. Draw your knives, we will kill them with cold steel!"

<"Uh… sir. It's just us two here. The rest all deserted after getting no rations the third day in row. The food industry also stopped for the same reason, see. Command ordered to execute anyone refusing to work, but the executioners also refused to execute for free…"

>"THEY DARED TO DESERT RATHER THAN DIE FOR THE HONOR OF THEIR COUNTRY? I ORDER THEM ALL EXECUTED! SOCIETY IS BUILT ON FORCE, DEAR, AND DUTY!"

<"I agree 100%, sir, that's why I'm still here. Only we're the only ones who think this way, apparently. I told the same to others and they told me they'll rather lose the war than starve to death because of some 'retarded glory hound'."

>"So that's how it is. I see now. They're all traitors! We need to purge this country before we have a shot at winning the war! We must return to capital post haste and slaughter every traitor, until the country is inhabited just by the two of us. After that, we will win the war and make our great country proud."

>>669408

That's why you need stuff like commissars or inquisitions similar to 40k.

Besides, you can always replace factory workers with machines. Make the food, ammo, and equipment production fully mechanized. That way you can conscript the women, elderly, and children too.

Before you say anything about breeding, use clone vats and program duty into each clone.

>>669410

lel

>>669410

>reddit ODing on gay nigger semen again

>>669373

>One cannot win wars and defend their country with just human wave tactics

Seemed to work for the soviets and chinese :^)

>>669391

>Conscription can either break you or forge you into unbreakability

Conscription is more like mental padding meant to ready you for a head on collision with a brick wall. Depending on your experiences you might come out fine and healthy, or as a PTSD riddled cripple that shits his pants when he hears firecrackers. A lot of dudes that come out of training are kind of retarded tho. I know 4 dudes that served and all of them have this "get X done at all costs", "think inside the box and don't question authority" mentality. It might sound cool and epic, but it really isn't when you're outside the military.

>>669412

>everyone I don't agree with is leddit

TOP WEW

>>669414

>>669412

he was making a joke you dumb faggots. Do you really read shit like "use clone vats and program duty into clones" and think "Oh, this guy is trying to argue!"?

>>669415

Did you forget where we are?

Autism and spergery are the only things we have. There is no such thing as jokes anymore. Everything must be taken seriously.

>>669394

>Meanwhile you propose doing this bullshit in peacetime.

We are living next to a turkic sunni country. There's no such thing as "peacetime".

>Are you genuinely retarded? Who the fuck is going to keep the country running while all the spartan übermensch die at the front?

The same people that do at times of total war?

or are you advocating that leftists, traitors and weaklings should be the only ones left to repopulate with the ubermenschs' wives after the later are thrown in the grinder for the sake of the previous?

Also baking is a turkish wife's job.

>Literally retarded

Don't forget also literally Hitler.

><"Yeah, my comrades raped me in the ass every day, but, you know, I learned to enjoy it. I cannot be broken by mere assrape, the enemy has nothing on me. I have become unbreakable."

>keeps (((projecting))) his masochistic homoerotic fantasies to an old honorable establishment

>>669413

> I know 4 dudes that served

You don't have conscription there or are you that anti-social?

>>669454

>or are you advocating that leftists, traitors and weaklings should be the only ones left to repopulate with the ubermenschs' wives after the later are thrown in the grinder for the sake of the previous?

YES! Because by your definition, 90% of the fucking population fall under "weaklings" you idiot!

>"Haha, it says here you're a neurosurgeon. Look at those dainty hands you have, doubt you can even lift a rifle! What a weakling. You'll be in first line so that übermensch like me survive and breed. No, I never learned how to read, why do you ask?"

>>669466

>90% of the fucking population fall under "weaklings" you idiot!

>implying I advocated conscription of females or middle aged and retired men

>>>669466

>medical officers and field surgeons don't exist

I don't know what slavland does but around here a medical degree guarantees you an officer degree, full relief from conventional duties past your 40 days training and usually a position away from front-line units unless volunteered.

>>669469

Back then, over here, any university degree was enough to make you into an officer during conscription. As in you were spared worst of the "breaking" (which you seem to cherish so much) because then country recognised your importance during peacetime and didn't want you to kill yourself. Apparently, even your country has no desire to grind down actually important people – runs kinda counter to your assertion about chaff from wheat and forging people into being unbreakable – if it's so great, why does the officers class (where a weak link would be far more disaster than among the soldiery) get spared? Because even your leaders recognise conscription for the bullshit it is – something for the unimportant and expendable, something for retards like you with free space between their ears. Can't risk people of actual value getting bullied into an-heroing or suffering permanent psychological damage, oh no, that'd be a waste. But Greekanon? Fuck him, have him conscripted.

>>669481

>tl;dr: I am butthurt over things that don't actually happen during conscription because I once heard some gopnik was raped to death

While the dysgenic effects of mass warfare on a populations' best are clear, the notion of creating a universal penal battalion environment in the army- in the form of an environment of 'duty and fear'- and of trying to utilize leftists & traitors as cannon fodder is an absolutely horrible idea. The former part is like taking the kind of US drill sergeant pageantry and violent hazing like Dedovschina that has already been proven to have an exceptionally negative effect on the cohesion, morale and elan of the troops. The latter is a recipe for creating moles, partisans and saboteurs in regular army formations, or creating entire units of mutineers. Such people are better destroyed outright if they can't be turned; if a beefsteak isn't or can't be cooked brown from the core out, dispose of them.

The core of the perfect army isn't on the purity of its volunteer basis or a universality of conscription. These are both tools, useful in the right place and time, unuseful in the wrong ones. The key is a universal reserve, and a nationwide mindset of inevitable service. Negative reinforcement, body shoveling and barrel scraping is worthless. What you need is solid indoctrination, high esteem and honor, hard-won competency and comradery from as close to cradle to grave as possible. Your model should be the Waffen SS, to some degree the preceding Sturmabteilung, and the idea behind if not the context and execution of the Volkssturm.

You start with the paramilitary youth organizations. You train the young in good scouting abilities and induct in them community and group consciousness, prioritizing the enthusiastic over the flighty and boys over the girls, but you get everyone obligatorily. Fitness programs are mandatory, focusing on cultivating useful strength, stamina, flexibility & freedom of the muscles, and the mindset of active healthiness. When they reach proper shooting ages in mid-adolescence, you get them into rifle cadet clubs, both private and pure state enterprise. Perhaps monthly or at most bi-monthly outings on obligatory basis, with temporary waiver possible and volunteership for additional outings open. You get them familiar with drill, command chains, the duty of the commanded to obey within reason, of the officers to command within reason, and conversely of the commanded to use their intuition in the fulfillment of their orders and the officers to learn the noblesse oblige of he who holds mens' lives in his hands. Both parties learn the basics of necessary sacrifice and intelligent teamwork.

From there, you start sorting through the cadets to prioritize who will go to the army reserve, when, how long and how frequently according to national need and their own career plans & prospects. You figure out who wants to volunteer for further training in non-reserve service, be it officer, specialist or regular classes. Boys go into volunteership or the first line conscript reserve. Girls go into the womens' militia as either trainers or tertiary reservists. The fit go on the line; the relatively unfit are refined to be as fit as they can be. Overall, we're looking at something like the Swiss model, amended for earlier paramilitary training and the incorporation of obligatory womens' training and of their own separate formations; mixed formations are too much trouble, and for last-ditch homeland defense as in the worst case of a losing total war, bushwhacking ladies & guns behind every door will do, they aren't expected to charge up the line or hoof it far unless something is very wrong. Active service training can take after the German wartime at its best. Focus on competency, motivation, willingness to do or die for its own sake and as a collective; Volks ans Gewehr.

>>669518

You have duty, you have esteem, you have elan, and most importantly these combined with prudence and modern warfare tactics, which given the proper logistical support and the counterbattery to silence the enemy artillery before they can press their quite substantial thumbs onto the scale of infantry warfare will win all battles. If there's no meatgrinder, or you've forced the grinder to the enemies' disfavor, you don't need to think about men as so expendable, nor to worry about the loss of investment into your best men or in dysgenic losses. Cut out pessimism, and then cut optimism with the tools and knowledge to make that optimism an absolute truth.

After all that, with every man, woman and adolescent child receiving increasing degrees of training and service over their lifetime as a civic and national duty, you look at the old who've rotated out of the ordinary reserve, the fogies and the bitties. You don't let them rot. You keep tabs, you keep them up to date, and as a matter of public health as much as military readiness, you keep the old farts together and ready for active militia formation. The war vets who won't let the good old days go quietly, the hard-nosed professional retirees who want to keep themselves busy between their hobbies, hale and hearty, the sharp old battle axes who can't give up the fatigues for aprons entirely, all this entirely by design.

You keep getting them together for shooting meets, just like the young cadet riflemen. You keep them up on their fieldcraft. You keep them informed of the overall geopolitical and strategic situation. You keep them on as guest instructors for the young alongside your active servicemen. You get them on volunteer work for the state, to feel and to be useful as they get on, because you've kept them strong and smart into their golden years so that they remain an asset. And when for medical reason or familial necessity they have to retire from the militia reserve, you retire them with honors, melancholic that they have to go, wishing they could stay. Because you incepted that idealism and service into them from the start. Then, they tell their grandkids about their service and their wars with glasses tinted rosy gold, no matter how horrible the mundane nature of the latter was, because you indoctrinated and educated them thorough & rightly for their own betterment and gave them the most righteous cause, keeping them human through any conflict, no matter how anti-humanitarian and awful the violence gets, becoming neither shellshocked nor psychotic. And so the next generation understands its duties, its struggles and its bright prospects.

Disposable cannon fodder ethics are for faggots, communists, western Allied liemongers, and the absolutely desperate trying to stave off the former parties. If you make every man the best he can be, the same for the girls, and you arm them right from tactical to strategic scale, you don't need and will never have cannon fodder. If the enemy wants to beat you, he has to extinguish you completely, down to the last man, woman & child, and you will make him pay oceans of blood to get there.

>>669518

>>669519

Essentially what you're saying is the entire nation needs to be geared up on the basis of fucking someones shit it whether its on someone elses lawn or your own.

>>669521

Partially, but that's not the root of it. The entire nation needs to be geared up to have its shit together in health, mindset, logistics, and 100% (para)militarization for both the fighting men and all those who support them at home. And with its shit together, no one can take your shit, while those fuckers fucking with you can then get their shit pushed in if absolutely necessary. Strength, readiness, and the honor of personal & collective betterment. Negative eugenics are for the unsalvageable elements, not the first resort as Greek anon seems to think. Positive eugenics in both selection of already good quality subjects and the increase of subject health- passing on at least some epigenetic betterment to their proceed- is the superior model for the vast majority of contexts.

>>669512

>I am going to discount wartime-level attrition rates from suicides because it doesn't match my idealised image of conscription

>>669518

>>669519

This is a good idea – youth programs focused on positive reinforcement over long periods of time, rather than a sudden one-time 2 years long shittery to which you are entirely unprepared for and where the mindset is to "weed out the weak". I'd just add that apart from imparting ideals on the troops, it's good to also offer individual rewards – combine soldier's devotion to the country with his personal greed. The system of medals was devised for this purpose (alhough there is was focusing on pride rather than greed), while older armies enticed its troops with the promise of loot and plunder. In aerial warfare, you had killcounts be tracked and things like aces, again for this purpose. Estabilishing such traditions, perhaps even inventing new ones, would go a long way to further the troop motivation, so that every battle doesn't seem just like duty to the country, but also like an opportunity for personal advancement or profit.

I have no problem with conscription to be honest.

The best army is made up a core of professional and backed up by a conscripted regular force.

Also, peace time army should be disbanded or at least employed in a more constructive tasks such as farming.

Washing rocks ain't constructive.

>>669563

Personally I'd make it a requirement to be a reservist if you want to work for the state. And of course to be a reservist you first have to be an active soldier for some 3-5 years. That way you'd always have people who want to be in the army just to get a comfy government job. And all arms of the government would be interested in an army that's not completely shit, otherwise they personally feel the consequences. Of course it should be a gradual process, e.g. first only members of the police have to be ex-military.

>>669574

Serving in the army should be a requirement for public jobs and the higher the responsibility the more rigorous training you need to have.

It's fucking retarded that president is just a fat fuck in a suit that needs special forces to tardwrangle him.

>>669577

We're in an oligarchy not a military meritocracy.

>>669574

In my country, quarter of all employees work for the state. You'd have massive trouble getting enough people to work for the state if you instated this system. After all, it's not just some politician that works for the state, but also teachers, doctors, any assembly line worker that happens to work in a government-owned company. You should also take into account that the government sector is for the unambitious and unskilled, since the government always pays worse than the private sector, where all the talent goes.

I was fond of what A-H did in this area, though - all state officials, be they receptionists or postmen or whatever have you, had to wear an uniform. It helped remind them that they're not representing just themselves, but also their country.

>>669584

>if you put them into active reserve

I mean active service, not active reserve.

>>669454

Total war was in 43 and daddy's goal was to make every German youth at least a semi skilled tradesman, not a retarded bootlicker.

>>669518

>>669519

Just do what Onkel Adi did before SHTF in 42 tbh.

>>669518

>>669519

Saved for research purposes.

>>669592

We can't all of us afford openly oven 6 million commies during a war.

>>669562

> wartime-level attrition rates

Oh no, 18 - 20 year old anarchists, hippies and communists killed themselves. What will we do???

>>669664

Nothing. As in, your army will be capable of nothing, because it has zero morale or reason to fight, and you will end up with widespread refusal of orders, defection and surrenders.

>>669563

>I'd just add that apart from imparting ideals on the troops, it's good to also offer individual rewards – combine soldier's devotion to the country with his personal greed.

Agreed, but overt monetary compensation would trample the spirit of service into one of bounty work, loot is immodern and unchivalrous, and while you can do medal programs, can be instituted from the youth scouting days up, you risk making it seem kitschy if you go too hard no matter how sincere you are.

I suggest a beer hall ethic. You do well in the eyes of your command, your comrades and the criteria on the book? Cause to become the toast of the unit, and quite literally. Good shooting groups, best time on the obstacle course, maintained a high living standard during a roughing field expedition, textbook ambush in a mock battle? Cause to raise glass & chair and get buzzed on light beer from the contractor breweries. The reward for personal excellence is all in itself and the personal glory of it. And the good excuse to carouse as wantonly as military readiness will allow, on a rotational basis between units on leave if necessary, probably down to squad level.

>>669596

I'm going from there and running with it or at least trying. Take that model, make it more total, more all-encompassing.

>>669618

I'm flattered. I'll take it from these responses that I'm onto something.

>>669665