/k/ - Weapons

>>608765

If I had the money and time, I'd take this guy's classes.

#1: weather minimums: -30C or colder. Dismounted, anything you can carry or pull. 60 rounds, any rifle, 2 nights, must use all ammo.

#2: weather: -20C or colder, snowshoes or skis, 5km minimum distance one way, any gear you can carry, 60 rnds, any rifle, 2 nights. No ammo on return.

#3: (#2 hard mode) no tent or shelter, sleeping bag and pad max, 1x MRE, 2L water, fire kit, hatchet, map, compass, 2 glow sticks, knife, snare wire. 60rds, any rifle. 24km total, 5km in dark. Use all ammo.

>>608776

>cold weather

>not wearing gloves

If you can go more than a 30 seconds or so without gloves, it can't be that cold out.

>>608776

>Eating snow is like salt water!

No, its just cold.

>>609051

Would it cut your mouth?

t. very limited exposure to snow

>>609051

The full quote was more

>eating snow is like drinking saltwater on a boat

<he's saying it's a bad idea similar to drinking seawater if you're stranded on an ocean.

>>Eating snow is like salt water!

>No, its just cold.

Yeah fuck off. That's not what he said and you know it. If you're going to be pedantic at least get it right.

https://boreal.net/articles/cold-weather-research/do-not-eat-snow-another-survival-myth.php

>Yes, Snow is Colder that Tea or Hot Water and I would rather drink hot tea or water if I got trapped in the wilderness, but the Calories lost are not relevant compared to how fast you will become "Ineffective" or what we call in the military “combat Ineffective” from Dehydration. You will quickly lose endurance and soon you will be unable to do the work required to survive, long before you will run out of calories.

>Inuit eat snow all the time in their cold dry environment, they need water and the only form they have readily available is snow. In the wilderness, in a cold dry environment, our water requirements go up, not down compared to the heated air conditioned environments we often live in today. Water is a vital requirement of survival. Most of us require about 4L of water per day to survive in the northern forest. It is far more important to our bodies than food. Water is the critical nutrient.

>I figure the “Don't Eat Snow” Myth came from individuals actually eating snow blocks and being told don't eat snow you will get chapped lips, which can be debilitating in the wilderness over the long-term. Then they were told to ball up the snow in a small ball and suck on it. This way you cannot cool your core body temperature.

>>609056

Eating snow is fine, it just sucks though. Even in small balls it takes a ton of warmth from your face for a tiny amount of water. Ice chips are a better choice.

Another idea is to stuff snow into your bottle and use the latent heat in the water to melt the snow. A half full bottle of water will have enough heat to melt enough snow to refill itself.

Has anyone found a water bladder that won't crack in freezing temps?

>>609053

Snow? Cuts your mouth?

>>609010

This, really. They make "runner/driver" gloves which are thin enough that you can stick your hands in your pockets to grab stuff, but even those are well-insulated.

>>609053

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>>609063

I would think that if you had a bladder against your body and under your insulating layers, it would stay liquid. The hose is a different matter, however.

>>609076

>>609081

Isn't snow just little shards of ice?

>>609130

Do people shred their flesh off when they pick up snow?

>>609133

I guess not? But the mouth is much more sensitive to that than the hands, you wouldn't put thumbtacks in your mouth.

I'll take your word for it though.

>>609053

No, the main issue would be the fact that you hemmorage calories by eating straight snow. Think about it, it takes a few minutes over a fire to melt snow. Now think about the fact that your body has to do that on it's own when eating straight snow. That's a lot of energy you just wasted getting some fucking water. Use fire to melt snow for drinking, avoid death by hypothermia.

>>609053

tbh, yeah, it could cause soreness.

t. ate snow for hydration

>>609830

35°46'57.8"N 79°04'26.9"W

out-of-commission, no worries :)))

>>618494

>35°46'57.8"N 79°04'26.9"W

>out-of-commission, no worries :)))

Haha, nice troll.

>>608836

What's the intention of the "discharge all ammo" aspect? Is it to fire the rifle repeatedly and not be discovered? If so, who would be looking for you? Otherwise, if it's just to mag dump a bunch of rounds into some dirt then I don't perceive the point.

>>618652

The idea is a bit of column a and b. To demonstrate that the POI changes and what that adjustment looks like, to note that conventional wisdom on rifle lubricants is wrong and what works instead, to demonstrate that the rifle actually works and how to keep it working. Plus shooting shit is fun.

>>618677

*obviously done in the woods

>>627187

This would be a much cooler sport if they were only allowed to use actual fucking rifles

Say a restriction on WW2 pattern bolt actions only, or hunting rifles.

Fuck that plinky bullshit implying that would be effective against men or beasts but MUH SPORTS OPTIMIZATION

Same shit with archery or any sport derived from combat/hunting/etc.

>>627214

You wanna know why they're stuck using 22lr? Because you dominated the scene with 6.5 and everyone had a hissy fit over it.

>>609140

Snow is like a cold white powder, imagine it as wheat flour that melts into water note, this may not be entirely accurate depending on weather, but when it is very cold (sub -20c) that is what snow will be in most scenarios. Your mouth might get sore because you are putting ice into your mouth after all, but there isn't any big consequence.

Don't you have some snowy mountains in Southern Australia or something?

>>627214

Sports rifles don't really seem fair or realistic in general, those plinkers are probably too light to actually be an accurate representation of being a soldier on skis.

>>627325

They are on skis. They have to shoot and then get back to moving fast.

>>627325

If you watch them they do some weird quick heavy breathing technique to steady themselves since they just cross country skiied(?) x distance and are breathing heavy. Plus they shoot .22lr, If they used full caliber rounds like the other strelok said they’d have to take a different stance.

>>627435

What in the world…

>>627440

National Match shooting is serious business

>>627325

you should try it for yourself, be sure to use a shotgun and load the hottest slugs you got.

>>627440

The standing is hard as hell and somehow that position just works. Try a 200 yard shot from the standing and see how shaky you are.