/k/ - Weapons

One thought I had was a shock-absorbing system for optics. Imagine a synthetic shock absorber that would go under your optic (between optic and rail). Every time you fire, a rail would allow the optic to slide back a few mm to lower the actual shock transferred to the optic.

Only question is, can you make a rail-system that would hold your zero?

Pros: Fudds see "EXTEND YOUR OPTIC'S LIFE!!!!" and get excited for more mall-ninja shit.

Cons: Can it be made to hold zero? Would also elevate the optic a bit. Make it to spacer specs?

solenoid-actuated trigger for absolute control over the trigger pull feel

why do no high-end target rifles offer this

>>607650

solenoid-actuated firing pin is more correct, my b. An electric trigger system using a solenoid to fire a primer on conventional ammo, so the trigger can be tuned and customized much more easily. Not for combat, a target rifle.

>>607650

That's actually fucking brilliant.

Imagine a magnetic frictionless bearing and a proximity sensor. Literally frictionless trigger-pull.

I wonder if they don't do that because Guns+Batteries are always get bad juju. Though putting a little solar panel on top (like watches/calculators) with a C2012 battery would probably be enough

>>607649

Elcan's 1.5x/6x optic has this I think, they designed an optic specifically to withstand the SCAR 17.

>>607654

Yeah but this would be a universal generic brand.

You'd have to make sure it was sealed enough to keep dust out.

>>607649

Thats a retarded idea, not to mention it has been done before. Modern optic designs are more than capable of withstanding shock without the need for some over complex and more than likely delicate scope shaker

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/scoped-sharps-1874-buffalo-rifle/

>>607652

it'll need a tad more power than that, it needs enough electrical energy to push the pin out and fire the gun… a single 18650 will have enough power for quite a few shots, but would mean a necessary li-ion battery management chip, and those things love breaking. Probably best to go with classic batteries.

Fuds shit on electrical systems for being unreliable, but in a simple circuit like this, there would only be a couple things to go wrong. 0 pcbs or ICs necessary, just a single, super-tough wire from the battery to trigger+safety switch and then the solenoid. The metal receiver is ground, like how sparkplugs use the engine as ground.

>>607658

Possibly, but it's weapons like the FAL that have a reputation for shaking scopes apart that might have a market.

>>607659

> it needs enough electrical energy to push the pin out

So far you're talking about the firing pin itself being propelled by the electrical energy, instead of a spring and hammer/striker. What if you instead had a fairly conventional hammer and sear, with a simple electrical system being what makes the sear move to allow the hammer to fall? That should be far more efficient than trying to directly push the firing pin with enough impulse to detonate a primer.

Belt fed vertically from a tube containing said belt. Like the Sta-52 from Killzone

>>607675

Needed special primers. You had to buy their special ammo and if the stopped making it (which they did) your rifle was a paperweight.

The suggestions in the thread would work with ammo made a century ago.

>>607653

FAMAS has an integrated bipod no? It certainly can be done.

>>607655

Not exactly sure what you mean by "universal and generic." the elcan will go on any Picatinny rail just fine, just because it was designed with the SCAR in mind doesn't mean you have to keep it there.

>>607680

you only needed their special primers which were able to be used with any brass

btw the main component of the primers was just a surface mount resistor soldered to the contacts so you could probably reload them if you wanted to

Voere was experimenting with a laser ignition system for target rifles that would work with regular primers.

>>607648

7.62 NATO battle rifle which could be turned into a low rate of fire GPMG. Kind of like turning a FAL into a 300rpm GPMG with a few modifications.

>>607650

>why do no high-end target rifles offer this

Because the BATFE considers electronically actuated triggers machine guns. If I recall correctly.

>>607747

The integrated bipod would work better if there was still a handguard under it there when it was deployed, so you wouldn't have to waste time folding it to not burn your hand.

>>607747

That looks like a whole lot more cleaning to me. As soon as you place your bipod in dirt/mud/sand and then collapse it back into a handguard you've got that gunk there. I realize it's just going up against the barrel/gastube but it still is adding more mess and closer to the ejection port.

>>607648

is it possible to make a AK with a Galil/RK62 reciever

>>614401

Those are types of AKs, retard. And why would you want to make a gun with a more expensive proprietary receiver for no reason? There is no benefit to a Galil receiver.

>>607820

Funfact CIA commissioned the design of that firearm from Steyr specifically for Albanian terrorists. It's meant to be a "pocket sniper", an accurate rifle simple enough to be used by inbred islamic retards yet accurate enough to outrange most assault rifles or dog searches. Meant for shooting police, in actuality.

Probably as close to a real insurgency rifle as has ever been made.

>>614416

More of Mr.Cooper and Steyr threw together a rifle that fit the aforementioned mans concept of a scout rifle. Because the powers that be threw them at albos does not mean they designed it for that.

Bullpup belt fed from a cylinder containing said belt.

>>614442

So a belt-fed helical mag?

Would solve some of the "muh prone reloading" issues possibly. Now to solve the trigger issue.

>>614416

sauce?

Thots on solenoid triggers to combat the bullpup trigger issue?

I always liked the idea. I think solenoid triggers are the future tbh batteries can last a long time these days and you get one of these Li-ion RC batteries you wouldn't have to change it out but once every few thousand rounds.

Of course, it wouldn't be popular but you'd get a silky smooth trigger every pull.

>>614416

Hi where are the proofs my friend XDXDXDXD

>>614416

>Funfact CIA commissioned the design of that firearm from Steyr specifically for Albanian terrorists. It's meant to be a "pocket sniper", an accurate rifle simple enough to be used by inbred islamic retards yet accurate enough to outrange most assault rifles or dog searches. Meant for shooting police, in actuality.

sauce? actually interested

>>614421

>>614465

>>614888

>>615055

When I was little I was playing with parts from a kinder egg. I was on my back playing with it above my head, and a small wheel from a car flew into my nose. Ever since then I could tune into CIA frequencies.

If I told you my source she would die.

>>614416

profs??????)))))))))))))))))))))

>>614416

Wouldn't it be cheaper ,easier, and faster to supply retards with any piece of shit using a full power cartridge. Pot shots from a beat ass Lee Enfield seems to do wonders in Afghanistan. The CIA is retarded but seeing how they cancelled the deer gun project for being a waste of money makes me think they're not THAT retarded.

Also what the fuck is a pocket sniper? The scout rifle doesn't fold, not nearly compact enough to hide easily, a better gun to fulfill such a title would be a T/C contender or other break/bolt action pistol with bipod and scope. Sure it lacks range but if shooting people down the street and keeping everyone pinned like in urban syria or assassination is the goal then it'll fulfill that title and goal well enough while still being light and compact.

>>615066

>why isnt the military industrial complex efficient

Because CIA needed to protect their heroin dealers and they had infinity money from gullible american taxpayers.

>>607660

Not a huge market for FALs tho, or G3s, etc.

Like there IS a market, but not enough to justify the costs of QA, machining, marketing, shipping, etc.

hydraulic trigger linkage for bullpups. they already have something like this for bench rifles to minimize operator contact with the gun.

>pros

removes the cheese from the trigger pull since water/hydraulic fluid don't compress.

>cons

the downside is the system possibly losing it's seal and the weapon becoming useless.

>>607652

wonder if you could make the trigger into a frictionless magneto to generate the charge? then you wouldn't need a battery.

>>625724

Hydraulic might be a fun idea. We've gotten pretty good at keeping hydraulics from leaking esp if you minimize hose usage.

>>625702

G3 is bigger than FAL in the US due to PTR company.

Jim March Simpson is pretty autistic. Here's a revolver he modified with a gas eject system.

Also, there's this:

>You should know the history on why Sacramento is shall-issue.

>A whole succession of Sac County sheriffs were corrupt as hell, including selling CCW permits for campaign contributions. There was a huge political fight in the 1990s between the Sac sheriff's office and Chief Gene Byrd of the town of Isleton. Before 1996 police chiefs had been allowed to issue CCW permits to anybody in their county, not just town. Byrd ran an honest, shall-issue permit factory. The sheriffs selling the permits hated him for undercutting their corruption. By 1998 Byrd ran for sheriff against the latest of the asshole sheriffs, Lou Blanas. At a 1998 campaign rally for Byrd, over of his supporters gave me this fascinating document:

>http://www.ninehundred.net/~equalccw/colafrancescopapers.pdf

>Basically, strong proof of the corruption going on.

>Byrd still lost due to the local media being "anti gun". AG Dan Lungren (later a Republican congressman) was also part of the pro-corruption movement against Byrd.

>Ok. By 2002 I was well and truly on a warpath against corrupt CCW issuance practices. The California NRA threw me out because I refused to shut up about corrupt Republican sheriffs. From 2003 to 2005 I was the California field rep and lobbyist for CCRKBA, the political action wing of SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) based in WA state. I continued investigating the Sac County sheriffs and compiled this file:

>http://www.ninehundred.net/~equalccw/sacmoney.pdf

>I was also able to prove that there was an elite CCW-linked reserve deputy program (the "Posse") whose membership list was secret. This was similar to the similarly secret reserve program in Oakley MI that turned out to contain Kid Rock:

>https://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2015/04/kid_rocks_name_found_on_oakley.html

>Still with me? Almost done :).

>In 2010 the US Supreme Court decision in McDonald comes down, forcing states to honor the 2nd Amendment. Backed by SAF, attorney Alan Gura sues two California counties for their CCW bullshit, Sacramento and Yolo.

>Knowing Gura and SAF had access to my files (not to mention the damning Colafrancesco papers!), Sacramento County folded. They agreed to a court ordered settlement in which they went shall-issue instead of having their bullshit turn up in open court. (Yolo went on to WIN, at least for now, but first, we now think the Supreme Court will soon have the last word and second, that doesn't affect the Sac settlement.)

>And THAT is why you can score CCW in Sacramento County.

>You're welcome :).

Has anyone recently tried doing a bolt action to semi auto conversion? there were weapons before like the Charlton Automatic Rifle (which were mass produced full auto enfields) and the m1915 embed related which has a gas port tapped off near the end and a piston/cam driven bolt, but I haven't seen anything similar done recently.

I'm not entirely sure what the difficulty of tapping off the end of a barrel for a gas port is, as well as possibly having to modify the trigger group to allow for semi-auto fire. i feel though that you could take a cheap used bolt action and someone with moderate machining skill could create a gas port and then a long stroke piston to guide the bolt along the tracks. if there is a cheap straight pull rifle then it could be even easier (think k31 but cheap and in standard caliber)

the video is a good example of what i am talking about. plus imo i think the design looks cool as fuck. probably something to do with the moving parts being on the outside

>>627474

The problem is that you have to modify every part of the gun, and with all that effort you could create a new gun. Really, the most efficient conversion method of bolt action rifles to (semi-)automatic weapons was invented by the Russkies: chop the barrel of the rifle in half, bore new chambers on both barrels, and then use them in a pair of blow-back submachine guns. Other than that, Austria-Hungary or Switzerland could have had a headstart on the developement of battle rifles if they designed a new weapon that used as many parts of their straight pull rifles as possible, and then used their existing machinery to mass produce completely new rifles. That would be actually quite cool in a Strangereal-like setting, where notAH decides to give everyone a self-loading rifle.

>>628955

That sounds heavy as fuck considering that it's also on the far end of the weapon even without the legs. Is the average aluminum handguard capable of taking the kind of stress that a normal barrel mounted bayonet would? I've never really seen a list or test of the strength of hanguards but I'd imagine most non-quad rails (already fairly heavy) would eat shit fairly easily.

As for the tiny light, I see no reason why a well made light would be held back much for indoor/close quarters use (for proof check out the sirefire xc1 or 2). Now if it had a full sized light to the side somehow and the bayo goes over the laser instead it might work well for outdoor use too.

>>629147

Wow, what is that?

>>629148

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/11/16/in-frankenstein-was-a-9mm-bullpup/

>>629150

>StenFALAR-18

I love it.

>>629173

To push the autism even more forward: it could also function as a stacking rod, so you'd have two obsolete and two modern features added to the rifle.

i want to try turn a custom infinitely re-loadable rifle cartridge out of steel. what do you think is the thinnest i can make it so that it doesn't ever need any kind of resizing?

>>630743

*assuming the hypothetical cartridge uses 223/556 standard projectiles and large rifle primers.

>>630743

Problem is, if the case never deforms, you aren't getting a proper chamber seal from it. You'll have gas blowing back around the casing which will foul the chamber, decrease accuracy, and could cause premature wear of the chamber. If you fire-form your brass and neck size the most you'll have to do is trim the neck every couple firings. I suppose there's no reason you couldn't fire-form steel. World militaries have spent a lot of cash in search of the thinnest steel cartridge case they could use in order to save on weight and materials. Buy a couple different steel case rounds, section them, and mic the casing to get an idea of the bottom floor for practical thickness and work up from there until you get results that are to your liking.

If you really want a case that needs no forming you'll have to look into elastic limits and things like that. You want the case to expand to fill the chamber, then spring back to its former dimension. This is above my engineering knowledge, but materials selection will be critical if you truly want to proceed as you've stated.

>>607648

A couple things about your pic related, The knob on the back seems like it would have the same function as the "safety" switch on a nugget, that is you have to pull it back hard as fuck and turn at the same time. second the magazine seems like would be a pull-along like in a belt fed weapon, also shown in game where the magazine recedes into the weapon as you fir (i think). only other thing would be the stock, seems incredibly fragile and would be shitty to try to get a cheek weld (see: underfolder AK's)

>>629150

>>629147

only suggestions would be make it in 10mm and design the magazine/magazine well so that it doesnt jut out so much

>>607659

There's already a ton of wasted mechanical and chemical energy being wasted inside a firearm that could be put to good use. The cycling of the action should generate enough energy for the next trigger pull. A lightly wound magneto could charge a couple 1000uf capacitors, then a simple monostable multivibrator (one-shot) on whatever trigger mechanism is being used would initiate a capacitive discharge through the solenoid. Once the round fires and cycles the action, spinning the magneto and charging the caps for the next cycle.

A BCG is already riding on a set of rails. Why not place a couple strong magnets on the sides of the BCG, and have them pass over an appropriately sized coil as the action cycles? That would generate enough voltage/current to charge a couple caps.

How would this kind of quick-change barrel system affect accuracy? I imagine you could fine-tune the sights for a specific barrel, but it wouldn't work with an other one.

>>630898

>The cycling of the action should generate enough energy for the next trigger pull

Are you suggesting a gun that mag dumps automatically the first time you pull the trigger? Or am I failing at reading comprehension?

>>632298

He's saying that it recharges the trigger after each shot akin to a disconnector, except here battery and circuit doing this function.

>>631931

AUG had a quick change barrel and never suffered from accuracy problems.

>>631931

Quick-barrel changes are on all modern military HMG's as well as on the 240B and M249 SAW which are lighter. Accuracy is preserved through the locking mechanisms.

I don't know about how this TYPE of quick-change barrel effects it, or if the standard systems effect it either.

From what I understand, a quick change barrel isn't going to give you sniper-like accuracy, but it's better and more accurate than a cherry-red barrel.

>>632311

>>632326

I'm asking because this method seems to be stupid simple both in construction and in handling, and seems to give a "free-floating" it's not true free-floating if a gas piston is attached to it barrel. So in theory you could reach designated-marksman levels of accuracy with this, right?

>>632405

in theory - yes, though it's probably harder to get there.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/05/11/mosin-nagant-in-500-smith-wesson/

>Mosin Nagant in .500 Smith & Wesson

>This conversion has been done in the past by several others, but all the ones that I have seen, were single shots, since the magazine issue was never completed. The barrel work is about 10% of the job….the magazine is 90%.

I have to wonder how well would this conversion work with vid related. The magazine seems to be better suited for a shorter cartridge, and I imagine the chargers would work just fine.

>>634504

Why bother with that when you could just use an 1894? They already come in .444 Marlin which has more energy than .500 S&W Magnum .

>>634526

Someone already has a lever gun in .500 and a few of all the other snowflake magnum cartridges and if I recall made a rimless .500 and chambered an AR in it.

>>634526

Because this could work as a companion rifle to a .500 S&W revolver. Both of them hold 5 rounds, and in theory you could use the chargers to reload either of them. If they work with the cartridgein the first place. And that greatly satsifies my autism.

>>634504

I found this thread where people are talking about this exact thing a little over a year ago

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/winchester-1895-and-500s-w.829653/

>>634537

Why the Nagant, though? Aside from the fact that it used a rimmed cartridge to begin with and

>Hurr durr there was a glut of them in 199X after the Berlin Wall fell, so that means they'll be cheap and disposable forever, right?

>>634601

>Nagant

It's called the Mosin.

>>632298

Not quite. >>632299 has it more or less right. What I mean was this, step-by-step:

>start cycle with charged system

>line up shot, pull trigger

>aforementioned electronic circuitry dumps stored electrical energy from capacitors to solenoid

>solenoid actuates, moving firing pin and firing round

>round fires and cycles as normal, ejecting the spent casing and chambering the next

>with the exception that a permanent magnet mounted to or in the bolt carrier slides past a coil, thereby creating voltage and inducing a current which charges the capacitors for the next cycle

See pics for basic idea.

I'm not saying it wouldn't require significant modification to a test firearm - it would. But it could/would perform exactly as described, that is electronically tiriggering a solenoid firing pin.

The circuit for the trigger could probably fit on a board not much bigger than a postage stamp. One IC, a handful of discrete components, and a FET or two. It would have to be encased in epoxy or something to get it past the ATF.