/k/ - Weapons

Currently using an SA chest rig, but it's a bit too bulky for my tastes. Does anyone here have experience with the spiritus systems rig? I'm a bit reluctant to drop $300 on it+ accessories.

>>600049

Ever try the battlejacket? Lots of pouches and the two backpack spots can be cut through to hold a water bladder. Very comfy and well-built.

It does have a bit too many magazine pouches for my tastes, though.

>>600047

QTDDOT: >>546766

You flaming homosexual.

>>600056

Oh you! *limp wrist*

Seriously, I didn't realize what that thread was for. So its posted there now.

>>600049

>>600053

Nobody’s gonna buy your overpriced milsurp, Ivan

>>600251

ok

are condor rigs good enough? I just want something to carry my ar mags and pistol mags.

>>600256

It'll carry mags but probably won't last long term. Surplus USGI MOLLE would cost the same or less and last longer. eBay is my source for surplus.

>>600256

Another anon said in the QTDDTOT thread: "Blackhawk and Condor should only be bought if you're going to sell them on to a foreign soldier for more than you paid. 5.11 has great clothes, shit tactical gear"

They also said: "Not 100% sure about all US manufacturers, but I know London Bridge Trading Co. is the absolute best (and most expensive). Crye Precision, First Spear, TYR Tactical, Blue Force Gear, Eagle Marine and Tactical Tailor are companies I've heard good things about. "

>>600187

but dude

nvgs lol

please spend $2500 on my fucking refurbished gogglies

>>600256

>>600314

Emu man has a good idea about it. Crye is the go to high-end gear seller. The main issue I had with trying to buy a plate carrier was that most websites or physical stores that don't pander to airsoft/bubbajoe entry level stuff requires a police or military ID.

If you want to go budget you go with surplus, ideally either eastern bloc or USGI; I'm pretty sure you can still get old MOLLE web gear for cheap although it depends on where you live. Still perfectly functional.

>If you want to go budget you go with surplus, ideally either eastern bloc or USGI; I'm pretty sure you can still get old MOLLE web gear for cheap although it depends on where you live. Still perfectly functional.

Or go with something like 762 Tactical's chicom. Its made from modern 1000D nylon, has MOLLE PALs instead of grenade pouches, and can be made for your AR platform.

http://762tactical.com/chest-rigs/with-senw-on-pouches/chicom-chest-rig.html

>>600322

Gonna have to agree with this. An ALICE belt and suspenders is pretty much the most versatile piece of kit around. It can be worn with pretty much any chest rig and many vests and plate carriers. It can also hold almost any surplus pouch, holster, etc if you’ve got a few zip ties.

I have an ALICE set up for an AK using a chicom chest rig, nva quad mag pouch, French canteen pouches, and a mosin pouch and 1930s us pouch for general purpose.

fags, get on my level

Out of curiosity, are there any good belt rigs out there? I'm looking for a modernized ALICE style belt with suspenders/h-harness set up, and want to see what else is out there before I buy anything.

>>600494

You don't always have to pay an arm and a leg for good equipment. Looks really practical! Very low profile compared to the more tacticool rigs out there as well.

>>600492

Can't really go wrong with SSO Smersh/Molle belt systems.

Load Bearing Equipment 101

Load bearing equipment refers to equipment that is used to carry your combat load (magazines, IFAK, water, etc). Running and gunning that you keep a wide variety of items on your person and most of it has to be quickly accessible.

There are quite a few types of load bearing kits and the major ones are outlined below.

Belt and Suspenders

Belt and suspenders kits carry your equipment around your waist. The biggest advantage they offer is that they do not interfere with your body’s ability to get rid of heat because they cover so little of you. Another advantage is that when adjusted properly there is nothing between you and the ground when you lay down. This lowers your profile while prone and lessens the chance you’ll get hit. As a result of this, designated marksmen, snipers and support gunners love this type of kit. Downsides? Mag changes take a little bit longer as your mags are farther away from your gun then they would be in a chest rig.

Chest Rig

Chest rigs are all the rave right now. Why? All your gear is right in front of you and is easy to get to. Also, they enable you to have quick mag changes and are simple to take on and off. Finally, chest rigs are very light and are comfortable while riding in a vehicle. The down sides? All your gear is on your chest so you’ll be laying on it when you go prone, making you a larger target. Also, mag changes while prone become difficult because you’ll be laying on all your gear. Last, when worn alone chest rigs can wear your back out because all the weight is up front. I’ve found they work best when combined with a small pack of some sort.

MOLLE Vest

There are many types of MOLLE vests, but for the purpose of this guide I am referring to ones that don’t carry armor and therefore don’t need to cover as much of your chest. This lower percentage of torso coverage aids in body heat dissipation and yet it has more space for gear than a belt and suspenders kit. This type of kit can be modified to do just about anything and I absolutely recommend it.

Tactical Vest

The tactical (non MOLLE) vest covers your torso and has sewn on pouches to carry your gear. Why is this good? It is much lighter than a MOLLE vest. There is a large amount of extra fabric in the MOLLE system that adds weight; the limitation of these vests is that the pouches are stuck where they are at so they are best used for dedicated kits. One way to regain some modularity is to also wear a belt with pouches on it. Final tip: look for mesh construction. This lowers weight even more and helps your body regulate heat.

Plate Carrier

Not to be confused with a full armor carrier, the plate carrier carries hard plates to cover your torso and back. In it’s purest form, the plate carrier does not cover your sides at all and thereby has a little bit more heat dissipation than a full armor vest. However, this cuts down on the amount of space there is to attach gear and again, makes your chest bulky and uncomfortable to lay on. Because of this, plate carriers are best used for light load outs. Another option is to also wear a belt and suspenders kit to increase gear capacity.

Full Armor Vest

The armor vest is designed to carry soft and hard armor and covers almost all of the torso. Because of this, it does not allow your body to breathe and serious heat problems can incur if worn in hot climates. However, the full armor vest also gives you the most space to carry gear and you can spread your gear out so it is very comfortable. This is my favorite type of kit to wear in the winter as it keeps me nice and warm.

So which kit will make me look cool!?

The kit that will make you look the coolest is the kit that suits your needs and which you use correctly. A $600 plate carrier sagging down to your butt is much less appealing than a $20 ALICE kit worn properly.

Should a canteen/metal cup be worn on the LBE? Should you have some rations on your LBE?

>>600724

My breadbag usually has my canteen on it and something to chow down in it.

>>600724

Yes and yes.

< My sample general-purpose loadout:

>3x double-magazine pouches with mags (I can add 6 more by storing them in other pouches)

>a TQ

>1x Large Field-dressing in sealed pouch

>2x 1L water bottles

>1-2 canteen cups for the water bottles

>1 field stove (fits over canteen cup in pouch) to use with wood, etc.

>Leatherman TTi

>Earpro (SureFire EarPro EP3 Sonic Defenders) in one of those containers from a Kinder egg

>Lip balm

>3x pens (at least one of them a Fisher Space pen)

>RITR notebook

>my CRKT folding knife

My rifle cleaning kit including:

> cut-down old shaving brush

> metal-bristle "toothbrush" tool

> plastic-bristle "toothbrush" tool

> 4x segmented rods

> 1x brass chamber brush

> 1x brass bore brush

> 1x bore eyelet

> repurposed fishtank medicine dropper bottle full of a 50/50 mix of automatic transmission fluid and marine diesel oil

> Sponge-wipe cloth cut into pieces to use as bore cleaning rags (feels like synthietic chamois or felt? IDK)

1x 4-pack of powdered cup soup packets

2x $2 semi-dehydrated soup packets (liquid but need to add water) in foil plastic.

2x protein bars

a chocolate bar if I remember

Folding ultralight stove burner (sort of like this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41kPbcelXyL.jpg) and butane canister.

Finally, my small SERE/Survival kit (fits in a 3in x 4in plastic tin.)

This all fits into my belt webbing before I add a pack.

>>600724

This is a sample loadout for a US grunt in Afghanistan, circa 2015: http://archive.is/9us6q

It might help your loadout selection, even if not everything will apply to you.

Remember, weight saps speed, speed is life.

Armour stops you dying when you get shot, but the weight of it makes you more likely to be shot in the first place.

>>600319

Good nylon construction sounds good, but is the $90 dollar rig really going to be that much better than an original $20 Chicom? Modifications could easily be made to an original to add the same functionality, and the AK mag pouches fit AR mags well enough for me.

>>600047

i use a surplus british PLCE rig, it fits twelve mags and all the other shit you'd need for a about a day. can be worn fairly comfortable with a backpack and is nice and sturdy, only sucks if you're hopping in and out of vehicles a lot on account of the pouches on the back.

>>600913

>mods

I just stick foam at the bottom of the pouches for my ARags that don't have a pull tab. Is there anything considered near mandatory other than putting a buckle on the rear straps?

>>600494

Damn near looks like my old setup, except I had some alice harness/molle clusterfuck going on. I prefer belt shit to chest mounted stuff but when I do use chest rigs it's never thicker than one magazine's (or pouch however technical you want to get) width.

>>600831

Looks like a plate carrier.

It all depends on why you need it.

>>601197

I have one of their holsters. It seems rugged, no idea about the rest of their stuff.

>>601245

I'm sure it "works" most stuff does, but does it work for you? Also, I'm not too sure about the upside down mag pouches, seems like it would make reindexing take longer.

>>601245

>>601246

Just looked it up

>$200

lmao no, why not just get a micro chest rig or something?

Does anyone know of any loadbearing gear or plate/armour carriers which carry the weight around your midriff? basic medieval armour technology was to shift the weight of a breastplate lower since it reduced the number of muscle groups required to carry the plate. all of the modern gear looks like it's built for physiologically more taxing shoulder load bearing.

>>601245

<But how much of a meme are they?

>go prone to return fire

>reloading difficult and awkward because "lol chestpouch-olier"

>>601268

Belt rig. Otherwise, there's a gizmo from the US which transfers the weight of armour to the hips, but I don't remember the name.

>>601273

These are what I could find off the cuff:

ArchAngel Internal Frame Load Bearing System (IFLBS)

Crye Precision Structural Kinetic Support System (StKSS)

Virtus Dynamic Weight Distribution Spine Bar

>>601568

If you're being a poorfag:

> https://www.platatac.com/platatac-modular-belt-pad-mk2-5909.html

> https://www.platatac.com/platatac-low-pro-first-line-suspenders.html

^ with these two, you have yourself a decent setup for $68.30 (pouches not included).

I would then suggest dropping by your local disposal store and buying 4x Minimi pouches, if the price is lower than on the site, but if not:

>https://www.platatac.com/platatac-minimi-pouch-heavy-weight.html

$35 ea x4 =$140

… So for a total of $208.30 you'll have a full setup capable of carrying up to 800rds (in theory). The only other thing you'll need is some large zip-ties and paracord to attach them firmly to your rig. You even get free shipping because your order is over $200.

You could even grab 2x of these to keep a multitool and torch in:

> http://www.platatac.com/platatac-small-universal-pouch-mk2-6183.html

…for $12 each atm.

For the contents, inspire yourself either with my kit list here>>600808 , or look up what soldiers carried in WW2, Vietnam, etc. and adapt it to your needs.

Oh, and always carry a dry set of spare socks in your webbing, sealed inside a couple of tough ziplock bags.

>>601568

Looks a lot like the old air force rig. It's shit.

>>601479

>>601273

Just thought i'd post thanking you for the info, you guys are heckin' cool dudes.

Does anyone have suggestions for LBE that doesn't look military? Something functionally like a load belt + suspenders but without the military look?

>>601653

I only just noticed I got slapped by anon! LOL!

>>602296

That's a solid idea.

Got the belt (out cheap from SORD), a bunch of pouches (100RD Minimi pouches that were on sale), and a gas mask bag that is perfect for a drop pouch. Still waiting on the suspenders.

Not as much ammo carrying capacity as I had hoped for, but 400RD is probably a good place to start.

Now to start lugging it around and get into shape.

Thanks /k/ommandos! You saved me from the ghey LBEs and saved me a shit load of money.

>>602320

Modern cavalry

>Muh dick

>>602320

> backpack … under $50

Yeah, that I can't really help you with unless you go look at secondhand stuff. You could find a civilian pack that fits your size needs and simply put a camo cover over it maybe?

>What backpack do you use?

My personal go-to is an ADF issue pack on an alice frame, or an older platatac MSM pack. I also own a civy hiking pack from kathmandu, which I could easily throw a cover over if I needed to. I've seen packs in the 35-60L range at camping stores for as low as $75, but they don't tend to be as durable as pricier ones.

Try your local disposal store or ebay? You'll get a better price if you look for a civvy pack you can throw a camo cover over. That way you can be the gray man and look like a filthy backpacker, then chuck a cover over it once you're out bush.

Sorry man, I got what works for me ages ago and haven't needed to spend more money on that since then.

>>602320

That is a hydration bladder carrier. You can use it as a back pack, but it is designed to carry a camelbak (or similar), a soldiers helmet, and little else. It might be a bit small - depends on how light your load is.

>>602333

Ebay has some decent options m8:

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/888/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=pack

…delivered to you.

I wouldn't bother with anything under 40L capacity if you expect to actually carry anything effective in it. 30-40L is about a large school backpack size.

Good luck and post pics maybe when you get it.

>>602333

You could try the following:

https://www.cadetshop.com.au/ - official, ministerial approved supplier of the ADF cadets

https://www.mitchellsadventure.com/ - good shit!

https://www.aussiedisposals.com.au/ - good shit, but not as good a selection as the first two IMO.

http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.com/2016/09/chest-rig-madness.html

>>603704

Sparse inspiration mixed with copious autism.

Cest rigs have their place, but are not really suited for infantry if purely operating dismounted.

>>603704

Have to agree with the general sentiment, I never really liked the chest rig all too much. On one hand they can be integrated with modern body armor, and their greatest advantage of all is the fact that the human body is built to carry an enormous amount of weight on the torso, just look at fat fuckers. There is some real merit to their weight bearing ideas, you just can't argue against that. Its a strong position to carry around that kind of burden in a strong upright position.

I'll have to agree that the modern chest rigs we are seeing today are becoming clowny joke looking as some are starting to stick about a half mile in front of the bearer. A few magazines attached to the front chest to distribute weight now sees some people load up their chest with the venerable kitchen sink and everything else to go with it. Someone took the idea and ran with it, ran too far like always. Smart idea turns into excess as always, but we can learn form these limits.

I think too ancient myself, but I hate the idea of having a rig that sticks way too far out, it destroys the ability to maneavuer a weapon. The article writer makes good points on how the fuck can you get into prone with that kind of over built rig on, I keep thinking about how difficult it is to use a rifle or any other tool if you have a bunch of shit sticking so far in front of you that it gets in the way of your arm radius. It limits your movements, hinders you, gets in the way of natural and effective movement, especially the arms.

Isosceles stance is arguably the better shooting stance, but its also popular with police and military because it forces the shooter's position forward to maximize armor and minimize unarmored body area. It also becomes necessary as chest rigs become impossibly huge and one cannot possibly shoot from any other standing position than isocsoles because their rig shit gets int he way of any other possible shooting stance or position. Again, how does one go prone when he's got 2 feet of junk in front of him?

If one needs to fight hand to hand in a desperate situation the chest rig is possibly the very worst, again, bad maneuver, poor arm radius. I heard Arnold Schwarzenegger had to let some of his pec muscle go to do Conan because it got in the way of sword maneauve, something that makes very real sense. What does an even bigger chest rig do to your ability to move and fight?

Lastly, I prefer the old system, I think its natural to grab magazines, anything else from the belt, its natural and flows freely. You watch some people t-rexing those magazines from their chest rigs it looks uncomfortable, difficult, slow, uncoordinated. Lowering your stuff to the waist loses that good load bearing of the torso, but it also means with proper rig weight can be distributed to both the shoulders with a suspender system AND through the belt to the hips.

As said, they have their place, but they are far from perfect, and old fashioned fuddy duddies like myself are going to keep using hip rigs because of stated reasons. The German author is right with his title, its just common nature, something becomes popular for good reasons and soon its the toast of the town and everybody's gotta have one. Just keep in mind all strengths and weaknessse.

>>600047

>What kind of LBE do you recommend?

What a redpill? Shit like this >>600494 modernized load bearing harness.

If you need armor remember to put your pouches in a similar configuration IE with as less as possible on your chest.

>Why?

Because remember the stories about some snipers not wanting scopes because it raised their profile? That's why.

If you lay flat on the ground the smallest ridge, the smallest rock can provide adequate cover the smallest bush can provide concealment, all it need is it being taller than your head diameter (or your helmet's) which is less than foot high meaning you can take cover pretty much behind, in a city a sidewalk can do for example.

If you have:

-Armor.

-Double stack of 30rnd mags.

-pistol mags or even more shit.

You're suddenly almost half a foot higher from the ground, meaning you don't fit behind ubiquitous 1ft high cover.

>But why do soldier put all their shit up front, then?

First is: Vehicles. IFV's seats are cramped as it is given the stupid amount of shit they have to carry, they just not enough space to wear it on the sides and by wearing shit on your chest it's obviously way easier to reach while seated.

Second is: we haven't had soldier fearing accurate gun fire in a while due to the large incapacity of the enemy they've been fighting to create accurate gun fire…

So if you don't plan to stack yourself with 10 other guys in a tuna can or to do drive-bys, you know what to do.

>>604013

>they just not enough space to wear it on the sides and by wearing shit on your chest it's obviously way easier to reach while seated.

Couldn't they just take them off when they are sitting in a vehicle? Of course they'd have to reequip it every time they have to leave the vehicle to fight, but that doesn't seem to be that much of a hassle compared to being shot dead.

>>604017

>Couldn't they just take them off when they are sitting in a vehicle?

You've answered your own question.

>Of course they'd have to reequip it every time they have to leave the vehicle to fight.

> but that doesn't seem to be that much of a hassle compared to being shot dead.

Soldiers get in and out of vehicles tens of thousands of time in the their careers.

They only get shot once or twice and by people who can't aim to literally save their lives.

Convenience > Survival, it's the plague of modern armies and low intensity warfare.

>>604064

Well, if you issued them with old style belts and straps, then they will definitely won't have enough space to sit on those benches, and so they will be forced to take them off. And what can they do if higher ups explain them the situation and then tell them to shut up?

>>603982

Three mags flat in front of belly would be acceptable, especially since you can't really do without having some equipment on the front part of the belt anyway. The stuff has to go somewhere, and backpacks burden the back a lot and are poor in regard to accessibility.

Still, the common chest rig types are nonsense most of the time. They're fine if you want to overload the infantry, and have it seek cover such as walls and trenches whenever it is under fire.

The only applications where normal chest rigs are justifiable are situations in which prone is unimportant: Combat in settlements or trenches.

>>603935

Usual imageboard shittalking.

I disrespect anyone who misuses the word autism.

>>604089

>I disrespect anyone who misuses the word autism.

>German flag

I wonder what condition you have…

>>604089

>herrr me on the spectrum

>me no like being (((called out)))

Fuck off you aurist loser.

>>602320

This pack might work for you

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/sarma-assault-pack/34400

Plenty of webbing, and velcro for your weeb shit.

>>604088

In trench warfare, war may still be fluid and counter attack and withdrawl may lead to situations and positions where prone is still the best answer. City fighting in good times may see use of standing and kneeling as normal, but during more total war situations rubble may dictate other attitudes and positions. The overblown chest rig set up can easily become a problem even in some conditions where it might work better.

>>604089

Let me guess: you've been diagnosed and are objecting to our rejection of your personal blog which you just tried shilling to us here?

>>604088

>Still, the common chest rig types are nonsense most of the time.

Chest rigs have a use. They all more or less originate from soviet "lifchicka" (literally "bra") which were something the soviet issued paratroopers in WWII. They find out they couldn't really jump with mag pouches so they carried it folded in a proper bag.

As it was really inexpensive and just rough cloth sew together they gave it to the Chinese to outfit their rabble on the cheap.

It saw widespread use in Vietnam and in pretty much every guerilla ever since for that same reason.

You put mags in it, you fold it, you stuff it somewhere in the place you hid your gun.

When SHTF you grab your gun, put it on and you're combat ready. (Later on the soviets brought them back as static armor became a thing, you would put the armor + the inexpensive chestrig. If they had to walk they switched to LBVs).

It was never meant to be something you have to fight and walk long distance with.

It's meant to be stored easily, which is what it's great at.

Which is why you saw some "SF" version, what it's good at, to make transition from civilian to combat ready. It's not meant for prolonged usage.

The chest rig is the perfect companion to a truck gun or a safe…

A quick look at accoutrements supports the general consensus. Chest rigs, also called "bras" (direct translation of "lifchik" in Russian usage) generally have the advantage of being flat-backed, enabling you to wear a rucksack over them. The South Africans and Rhodesians, often highly lauded for expertise in small unit battle, explicitly developed load carriage on the chest for these purposes (see M83 chest rig versus M83 assault vest or preceding patterns of web equipment). The Soviets in Afghanistan, burdened with rather shitty LBE, come up with a number of bottom-up solutions, most of which move magazines to the chest and all other weight to the waist or a rucksack. Most commonly: the magazine cells only accomodate a single magazine or two stacks of magazines at maximum, there are sometimes grenade pouches or small GP pouches for a field dressing, and all other equipment is carried in a rucksack or pockets. These solutions are all substantially different from modern MOLLE-equipped plate carriers or body armour vests with the plethora of pouches. Russian "lifchiki" have gotten heavier, but are still minimalist compared to NATO solutions.

What would you recommend for a /k/ommando who will likely have to fight/move in, around, and through urban and suburban areas in a potential SHTF scenario? War belts and chest rigs?

Poorfag here

The only rifle I own is a mosin that my grandfather gave me.

I'm looking for a suspender/waist rig to keep my clips on my hip, but all I can find are chest rigs/bandoliers.

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

Thanks.

>>605837

Note: I realize I can get those cheap pouches and clips in bulk, but I was looking for a suspender rig to put them on rather than having them on my belt.

>>605811

Weapon? Loadout? Hi-vis or greyman? Give us something to work with here…

>>605837

>>605838

Why not just buy an additional belt to put those pouches on; some surplus ALICE belt and suspenders perhaps?

>>605860

I won't pretend to know shit. I'm kind of a newfag to equipment, and if thats what you reccomend, then I'll look for that.

>>605837

Find actual nugget pouches, a belt, two keepers and a Y-Strap. Sixty rounds all together there. Price wise you're looking at maybe 120 if you're buying decent shit. You might be able to find old surplus soviet Y-straps.

>>605860

>Weapon? Loadout? Hi-vis or greyman? Give us something to work with here…

Weapons: poorfag AR15 with 4 30 round mags (working on getting more), and an inherrited Browning 9mm pistol (3 mags)

Loadout: Weapons, ammo, water canteens with cup, poncho (large enough to use as a shelter), OD green space blanket, a nylon sheter half, paracord to rig up shelter, and fire making kit. I would likely add some rations (freeze dried) to the kit when on OPs.

Local situation: The community I live in is remote, and it is a half hour to hour or more drive to the other small towns in the area. It is by the beach, and the only wild vegitation in the area is a nature reserve on one side of the community. On the wrong side, IMO, as to get to it you have to go through the community and suburbs to get to the park… That said, if you can get to it, you can go through it to the edge of most places in the town.

Population: roughly 2-3000.

I can count on having to use a vehicle due to the distances, and the lack of vegitation between the towns/communities. It's mostly hilly country between the towns, with small patches of trees here and there.

I am going grey-man for now, but if/when SHTF I want to be able to go from grey-man to something between grey man and burgher militia. I don't want to look like a militia's forward observer, but I want to look like someone who isn't an easy target.

Not too many ethnics in my local area, but a lot of poorer white folk that I wouldn't put past looting or taking advantage of a SHTF scenario.

Surprisingly little local gang activity - mostly a handfull of bikers who have a fortress some 10-15 mins from my fucking home. Not sure what gang, but they are 1%ers. They own a several local businesses and a chop shop. I really want to move away from those fuckers for obvious reasons. I plan to avoid them like the plague post SHTF.

Minimal police presence. I exect it to become non-existant post SHTF.

>>605869

Thanks anon

>>605906

<* depends in part

Sorry, obviously your mission and tactics have a huge impact as well.

>>606078

So, out of curiosity, are you /prepping?

The reason I'm getting the gear is because I'm gonna be ready for the happenings. I decided my loadout should be light because fast n light = still in the fight. I'm torn about boots tho, or whether or not I should invest in some sneakers.

>>606121

As far as I can say there really isn't that whole law and order deal where I'm at so my rig works for me on my bike and I'm happy with it. Also I can wear my plate carrier with it which is a bonus.

>>606294

Damn son.

In full honesty Idk much about LeafLand, but that's kinda nuts. Is it just really rural where you're at or is it literally just a lawless zone?

>>606321

The moment you leave the cities on the border you have pretty much little in the way of LEO's. 1 Stasi fuck for every 1100 people or so. If you're really in the boonies you get little bush wars going on with the injuns.

>>606407

God damn that's wild. Good luck anon.

>>606438

I mean its not like I've been threatened with deportation and or else by a government without balls multiple times for being the law and putting vinyl huffing shitheads in their well deserved place.

Just got this and a plate carrier for my birthday.

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/us-military-surplus-load-bearing-vest-with-canteen-used?a=2165090&_br_psugg_q=load+bearing+vest

>>605837

https://www.strikehardgear.com/mosin-nagant/

I've heard stuff about ALICE underbelts to stop the clips from killing you, but I can't find any. Any recomendations?

>>606788

Ty anon

>>608434

See >>602296

If you are going to wear the belt up around the chest, you may as well go for a chest rig.

>>608438

>up around the chest

That's the waist, anon, and is located just beneath the ribcage despite what modern clothes claim the waist to be.

But I appreciate the input.

>>608434

Waist gives your arms more space to move, hips gives your back less stress. I'd say at some point as the weight you carry increases, you'd have to switch from the first to the second.

I've settled on a SORD classic style vest for my patrolling needs. Being a poorfag, I got the front and back pieces when they were on sale. One thing I've noticed is that the side buckles for the back panel are three or four inches higher than the front panel

http://www.sordusa.com/SCS-LBV-Back.html

https://www.sordaustralia.com/scs-vest-front

I ordered the wrong pack panel by mistake (should have got a "SCS" rather than an "LBV" back panel).

Not sure if the difference in height between the front and back panels will be an issue or not.

>>612749

While not getting too autistic, that's not ALICE, it's IIFS, initially designed to replace ALICE, but the two standards ended up being used together due to cost reduction measures.

>>611991

Wait, did you seriously buy one from the US and one from Oz?

(Don't think the height difference will matter, but be aware SORD has changed the buckle model a few times, so you may need to take them down to someone with an industrial sewing machine and swap the buckles for a pair of matching sets if they don't fit together.)

>>606078

>SS oak A smock

Nice

>>606493

>I mean its not like I've been threatened with deportation and or else by a government without balls multiple times for being the law and putting vinyl huffing shitheads in their well deserved place.

I'm lucky I don't live near any chug reserves, I'm only like 20K out of the nearest town which has the RCMP station for the next two towns on either side. But how the fuck did they threaten to deport you? Unless you have dual citizenship they can't deport you right?

>>613080

Fuck no! The sold out of one of the panels here in emu land, so the only link I could get to work was the yank one.

>>613168

Ah, you're the fellow the native shits planned to snipe off your motorcycle, right? Got any more good stories about beating retard injun ass?

>>613211

Ah gotcha. I have a rig from them but the buckles on the front and rear didn't fit together when I got it, since they were from different batches. Had to get them replaced with new ones by getting a cobbler to restitch new (rear?) buckles in.

>>613212

Oh I remember that, shame, I thought strelok had maybe shot at then.

>>613436

>Oh no buddy, I'm from south of you. There is nothing I hate more than the red menace.

Then what is with the bigman runes in >>613168

>More of sending them back to the stone age in the dead of winter amongst other things.

Is that letter your response?

>This is a place where on a good day is a 16 hour drive to potential signs of actual civilization.

You must be exaggerating, or driving very slow. I could drive to the great lakes in a bit over 16 hours and I'm near the Rockies. Regardless sounds comfy, I wish I had more space to innawoods, and deal with bandits.

>>613445

bugman runes* and forgot vpn

>>613445

That is Japanese, not chingchong spit language. If your wondering its some sort of prayer to do with Bishamonten who is a pretty /k/ dude. Haven't fully translated it yet.

>letter

No, I tend to keep track of thing I do in that format so I can look back at a later date or just plan ahead. I sent back the cuckolds letter with a mockery on the reverse of the paper, it was a good three persons work. A godawful mix of Russian, Broken Japanese and German then plain old English.

>16 hour drive

Where I am, I am one of three people in a hundred mile radius. I only have internet due to the guy who I bought the property off of had the phone company back in the day run a phone line. Myself am around two hours to my place of work, three and a half from civilization if I'm driving fast. Injuns live way deeper innabush, 16 hours isn't an understatement given they have shit choppered/flown in on the government dole at that.

>>614082

I'm retarded I mixed up my left and right, left is Oak A, right is blurred I guess.

>Northern BC and the road aren't paved for them

Ah okay, I have been in northerish B.C. a few times, I know what you mean.

load bearing equipment? sounds like my ass! hachacha

>>624940

>see a reason why this combination wouldnt work

Nope, I've seen it done, usually by machine-gunners.

>anyone know anything about SORD

Aussie SAS love them. It's bombproof gear, even if usually not quite as innovative as some of the latest US stuff.

>>608435

is that child wearing ear protection? looks like not, esp. near the end where she touches her head

>>625713

Find a repro fereday and sons FAL chest rig and a bong pattern 58. As for the pouches themselves, I prefer ones with flaps.

>>625715

I like the chest rig however I should have specified I looking to setup a carrier (an lbx 0300 S as I am very much a skinny fuck). If I were to grab the fereday how hard would it be to modify it to fit me?

>>625717

The adjust to any size really. I think the originals expanded out to 56" and could be tightened to 28"

>>625713

Haley strategic makes a chest rig that takes 7.62 mags if you don't want to buy a surplus one

https://www.haleystrategic.com/equipment/chestrigs/d3cr-heavy/haley-strategic-d3cr-heavy-ranger-green

surplus SADF

https://kommandostore.com/collections/catalog/products/pattern-70-kidney-webbing

>>625900

>>625713

Forgot to mention: If DPM isn't your thing, they also made an earlier pattern in OD green, I also see German and Danish flecktarn PLCE from time to time, but I have no idea if this is actual military issue or just commercial civvie stuff.

>>625713

Also, you can find mag pouches from hkparts

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-G3-91-PTR-Vinyl-Magazine-Pouch-Surplus-111p1941.htm

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-G3-91-PTR-Rubberized-Mag-Pouch-Surplus-111p16321.htm

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/German-Flectarn-Mag-Pouch-HK-G3-91-PTR-New-111p16268.htm

>>625904

That last link has the PLCE-style locking clip thing, it's kino.

>>625884

>>625900

These are all good suggestions thanks.

Why I mentioned the 0300s was I am 5ft 11 and 130 lbs, also i like the Haley but I'm wondering about much shit that I should put on my chest. Im not sure if its still up but I remember there was a chest rig thread specifically and alot of anons mentioned that problems with going prone can happen with these setups.

I want to be able to have 3 to 4 mags ready however i have had issues going prone with double stack m4 pouches before. I guess my question is how important is going prone to take cover will actually be. (I live in rural Washington while it would be easy to go inna woods im an hour from Seattle).

>>626117

If you are injured, your comrades will/should use your IFAK on its consent on you. The panel and buckle is so that they can rip it off your webbing in a hurry so that they can have it on the ground and focus on giving your first aid.