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>implying this is news

Germany spends less of it's GDP on the military than Brazil and less actual money than India.

We sold 120 Leo2s for 180 million €, each vehicle would have cost 5 to 11 million € new.

https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.de/2017/04/leopard-2-poland-wants-more-germany-and.html

Just use google translate for the following links, if anything is unclear I may provide translations.

http://augengeradeaus.net/2018/02/jahresbericht-des-wehrbeauftragten-der-trend-heisst-hoffnung/

http://augengeradeaus.net/2018/02/lage-der-bundeswehr-das-sagt-der-gi/

http://augengeradeaus.net/2018/02/weiter-gehts-es-fehlen-schutzwesten-zelte-winterkleidung/

http://augengeradeaus.net/2018/02/in-mali-gestrandet-zurueck-mit-der-kanzlerinnen-maschine/

http://augengeradeaus.net/category/ausrustung-und-so/

>>553688

>Poland

>Nukes

That seems unlikely.

>>553690

>We sold 120 Leo2s for 180 million €, each vehicle would have cost 5 to 11 million € new.

What the fuck? Was someone bribed to do that?

>>553690

>We sold 120 Leo2s for 180 million €

Well that's the old:

Poland has 180 T-72

Germany has 360 Leo2

Germany gives (rather than truly sell) 120 Leo2 to Poland so they can scrap their T-72 because they're shit by new (read: just as old) stuff. And since they're pricier to maintain but way cooler Poland can have less tanks for the same job.

Oh and NATO is now stronger.

Anyone with half a brain can tell what's wrong with that picture.

But half a brain is already way more than what the people in charge of military budgets have.

>>553707

No. In 2014 we simply decided that we had too many tanks to maintain because our budget was so low. It was also a deal to improve relations between Poland and Germany.

Today: HURR DURR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TANKS ANYMORE!

Can you see the logic?

>>553710

Is it just simple stupidity though or does someone stand to gain from it?

>>553713

Never presume malice where jews stupidity is an answer.

>>553681

I think Occupied Rhodesia could be in Berlin within a week.

>>553761

>we do

No you don't.

By feeding you cheap as fuck Leo2 Germany makes sure you rely on KMW for support for your tank fleet, meaning KMW can bribe all your tank related generals with cushy retirement plans perfectly legally.

And that's exactly what they need to cripple any plans of domestic polish tanks forever.

Guess who's their Defense Minister

>>553784

Ursula von der Leyen

Aka:

>Ursula "Flintenuschi" von der Leyen

>Ursula "STOPSCHILD" von der Leyen

>Ursula "Kindersöldner" von der Leyen

>Ursula "Für jedes meiner Kinder einen Leo übrig lassen" von der Leyen

>Ursula "Spint auf!" von der Leyen

>Ursula "Innere Füllung" von der Leyen

>Ursula "Kindertagesstätten auch in Mali" von der Leyen

>Ursula "Familie und Beruf im Einsatz" von der Leyen

and my favorite:

>Ursula voll die Laiin

>>553786

Poland will do you a favor once they invade

you should be used to foreign invasion by now

>>553789

Learning from our trans-atlantic masters :^)

>Next German Budget

>German military finally gets half of the 'absolute minimum' funding they have requested.

>Starts to slowly take the Bundeswehr up to at least low 2nd world tier.

>Media around the world reacts with one voice.

ERMAGERD, GERMARN REARMARMARNT EQULZ NARZEES! AAAAAGGGGHHHH!

>Next German chancellor is elected on a mandate of demilitarisation and 'pursuing a more peaceful and diplomatic posture with our brothers and sisters around the world'

>Cuckening intensifies.

>>553791

They will push for an EU Army next so that all EU armies are equally cucked

>>553800

He stole acquired it from the local population so he wouldn't starve to bolster his provisions.

>>553811

Then again, your prime minister didn't like germany enough to have two or more of them. :^)

>>553713

Presumably they want to a) starve out the Bundeswehr in favour of a EU army and b) use it as a pretext to militarize the police, who are infiltrated by Turks/Kurds/Arabs and buddybuddy with Antifa in some locations.

>>553783

>>553842

Basically sacrifice the German army to cuck the Polish army since it's the last major military power that could resist them? I guess that makes sense.

>>553800

>Just you wait until we reinstate monarchy

Do it and take back the fuckers over here.

>>553859

>Don't make me get the MG.

The broomstick?

>>553875

That's a false statement. None of the songs were banned. They simply planned to make a new version of the book that didn't contain the following songs anymore:

Das Panzerlied, das Westerwaldlied, Schwarzbraun ist die Haselnuss, because the old version was printed in 1991, and less than 10% of those books were actually available, because most had been damaged or lost over time (or were taken home by soldiers for "training" purposes and never returned).

And guess which song we were ordered to sing a few weeks ago during battalion assembly? Das Westerwaldlied, all of it. Nobody gives a fuck what Flintenuschi thinks is racist or not. We do what we do.

https://derstandard.at/2000057471753/Von-der-Leyen-verbietetKameraden-singt

The next company always sings "Es ist so schön Soldat zu sein", which was composed in 1939. Literally nobody cares.

>>553866

This is true though. We NEED more equipment. I am not even saying newer or better, just more. When you can't even give every guy a training grenade, or every team a fucking functioning radio, then you fucked up.

>>553892

>Every single time I see a greek poster join a thread he replies to every post individually.

Frivolous posting is what got them into debt in the first place.

>>553896

>Every single time I see a greek poster join a thread he replies to every post individually.

Say that 1v1 on my face and not online and see what happens.

>>553896

>Frivolous posting is what got them into debt in the first place.

Say that 1v1 on my face and not online and see what happens.

>>553892

>>553899

The greeks are going to be mono-replying in every thread just to spite you now, especially since he got dubs doing it. the trouble with you germans is that your mistakes are as well implemented as your successes.

>>553892

>and pay your debts so we can arm our men!

Kick moderate rapefugees from your country and you'll have the money

>>553950

Doesn't the EU effectively own the Greek government but can't actually manage to extract any value from it?

>>553960

>extract value

>from Greek government

HAH!

Better luck distilling turk piss.

>>553960

The EU doesn't care about money anon, they're plenty willing to throw cash at a nation like Greece to prop up their state-building project.

>>553707

maintenance contracts are where the money is.

As long as you have money and material, you can prop up a military force pretty quickly.

But what matters is the will to fight, I see some germans still have some northern spirit, but most are cucked puppies now.

>>554074

What's so bad about it?

>>553830

funny thing about soviet army, after soviet attack in 17.09 some soviet units switched sides so they could fight against communists.

>>554082

>There is nothing fun about killing commies

>>554089

Cleaning a pig sty isn't fun either, yet it must be done to enjoy bacon.

>>554096

Naw, sty rotation is where its at and it doesn't fuck the landscape up what so ever.

>>553831

battle bear

>>553681

A far-right Poland invading Germany would be Max irony.

>>554132

>Inb4 Makron-Parkowa-Pakt

>>554075

You mean aside from the fact that it was written by people who literally had American guns pointed at the back of their heads, purposefully engenders political stasis and dysfunction and doesn't even make an attempt to base itself in anything but naked legal positivism meaning any "rights" or "freedoms" it guarantees are nothing but a arbitrary privileges granted by the state to be rescinded or curtailed when deem expedient.

>>554268

>Europe is not threatened

>he lives between two kebab cunttrees

>>554273

Τα οβριά και τα μουχαμέντια δεν ξεχωρίζουν φλώρους ξανθομπάμπουρες από κάποιον οριακά πιο ανοιχτόχρωμο από το κουραδί της πέτσας τους, όλους τους >λευκούς ή νεκρούς ή δούλους μας θέλουν.

>>554321

I must have forgotten.

Why did you have to remind me?

>>554431

This is what I means when I say the germs lost their northern spirit.

What happened to bravery borderlines stupidity? Never give up and all that.

>>554452

Look not to despair, but to wake-up.

Kinda like Theoden in LOTR.

Everything seems lost, but it's the darkest before the dawn.

>>554471

>>554467

Polish one is an old trade unionist as well, he's never served.

>>554467

That said, at his previous position as a chief commander of an emergency & rescue service, he did excellent job, miles better than all his predecessors. You should care more about performance than lineage.

>>554517

Talking shit about a man who singlehandedly

>caused butthurt for almost two decades among the (((MSM)))

>Unveiled a Soviet-Era conspiracy among generals who were loyal to the KGB but conspired to switch sides from KGB to CIA/Mossad and BND

>Dismantled one of the bigger organized crime syndicates known under a cover name of "Military Intelligence Service" (Wojskowe Służby Informacyjne)

>Wrote a bill that would make public names of all soviet traitors who performed public functions from voivode (state senator equivalent in terms of importance) and above unfortunately President lech wałęsa was one and dissolved the parliament overnight during vacatio legis

>>554251

Why did denazified Germany cause more harm than Third Reich could ever dream of?

Was it autism?

>>553892

solo posting is a way of life!

>>553681

It would be an even fight, and only if Poland attacks first as fast combat favors the guy who starts the war, so….

They have same personnel numbers, about 175 thousand personnel both.

Poland has over 200 active Leopard tanks. Germany has around 200 active Leopard tanks as well.

In addition Poland has about 1000 older soviet tanks, but I'm not counting those.

Poland is ahead in artillery as well, and their light armored vehicles outnumber Germans.

Germany has 6 submarines to Polands 4, and Germany has 37 surface combatants to Polands 32, so a slight edge there.

Germany has 104 fighters to Polands 79, a slight edge there as well for Germany.

The main advantage for Poles is they could be in Berlin in under 2 hours. German government wouldn't even get up at night to respond to a threat, so Poland would have potential six hours time to do with as they will before any response even BEGINS organizing.

>>553675

>tank commanders had covered up their lack of machine guns by using broomsticks painted black during a Nato exercise.

How do you lose a machine gun on a tank? They're bolted on for fucks sake.

>>553688

>polish deathcamps

Aren't those the ones where the filthy kikes prepared to genocide 6 million innocent Poles and were saved just in time by the invading Germans?

>>554576

This "you can't attack your trading partner" myth needs to fucking die. Russia was responsible for literally 100% of the wood in the ships of Victorian England, yet they didn't hestitate to engage in the Great Game. France was Germanys #1 trading partner before WWI, and Soviet Russia their main source of oil before WWII.

Your trading partner is at the top of the fucking list for attacking people.

>the German government can abandon the city

Please. 9/10ths of this is the sheer surprise of it. Poland can put a bunch of German flags on their tanks and be in Merkels bedroom before anyone realizes a thing, and Poland can have 1,000 tanks and 10,000 armored vehicles in Bonn before the German minister of defense can untangle herself from the 12 niggers tag teaming her to take the priority phone call.

The only hope is using the air force and navy to smuggle out a government in exile. Not the actual leaders of Germany, but a few top tier secretaries who can sit in Brussels pretending like they run the country that is 100% under Polish occupation.

And after three months of occupation when Germans realize the Poles are genociding the Muslims, 90% of the Germans would glue little wings to the back of their t-shirt.

>>554591

Thing is, Germany is a nuclear country, Poland isn't.

Nukes were a mistake.

>>554579

They didn't lose it, it wasn't delivered on time for the exercise and since the exercise was just a simulation, they just simulated having a machine gun.

The problem was caused by the fact that the exercise happened in 2014, but the serial version of the Puma IVF was first delivered to the Bundeswehr in 2015. So the Unit who did it went basically with a prototype to the exercise that wasn't fully equipped.

Another situation that lead to this was the fact that the Government has no idea if it want's to equip the Bundeswehr to be ready for the chance of a NATO land war with Russia or equip it to be NATOs mercenary bitch that invades far away countries and quarrels with insurgents.

The result is that 350 Puma IFV are planned to replace 500 Marder IFVs and while the Puma IFV is a solid upgrade to the Marder IFV, its not build to the specifications that either side wishes for and the low numbers ordered causes the production to be slow.

>>554591

>This "you can't attack your trading partner" myth needs to fucking die.

>France was Germanys #1 trading partner before WWI,…

First I didn't say this, secondly it isn't a myth that starting a fight with your trading partner is a fucking stupid idea and does hurt the economy of the countries doing it big time.

WW1 was a fucking disaster for both France and Germany, it cost them both their colonial empires and caused them to be in economic troubles for the most part of the 20th century. Facing mass starvation and losing their best generations.

>Please. 9/10ths of this is the sheer surprise of it. Poland can put a bunch of German flags on their tanks and be in Merkels bedroom before anyone realizes a thing,…

What are you twelve? This idea of the entire Polish Army acting like a bunch of invisible Ninjas is nothing but a sad joke.

>>554596

What? Where did you hear that? All the nukes in Germany are American, and answer only to American key codes stored in the Pentagon. Given that you're both in NATO and you actually contribute more, it's far more likely that we'll either aid you or stay out of it.

>>554606

You understand that practically all of titanium in America during the cold war came from USSR, and Soviets depended on USA for food aid?

>maskirovka

>invisible Ninjas

Seemed to work when it came to capturing Crimea without a fucking shot fired. Same thing will happen to your country if Poland ever fully develops a set of balls.

>>554612

>What? Where did you hear that? All the nukes in Germany are American…

That is only the official story. The reality is that Germany is more like Israel when it comes to nuclear weapons, where it is a big MAYBE if they have nuclear weapons or not.

The key to understand is that Germany already has everything to assemble nuclear weapons and deploy them and the only one saying they haven't or wouldn't do it is the word of the German government.

Germany has military personal trained in taking care and deploying nuclear weapons by the USA.

They have the machinery, knowledge and radioactive material to build their own bombs and the technicians, engineers and scientists able to build their own bombs.

They also have the experience in running a nuclear program, by assisting other nations in developing theirs.

And that is not even talking about the stories of German Submarines transporting nuclear weapons for NATO and then vanishing from everyone eye for a long period or how France made Germany the offer that they can have access to theirs if they want or you know the fact that the submarines that Israel is using for their Second Strike capabilities are build by Germany.

>You understand that practically all of titanium in America during the cold war came from USSR, and Soviets depended on USA for food aid?

You understand that this point doesn't defeat my argument or the point I made? The USA and USSR never went directly to war with each other, because it would have been the end of everything for them.

>Seemed to work when it came to capturing Crimea without a fucking shot fired.

Only in Russian propaganda was there never a single shot, also it took them several days to completely capture the Crimea and everybody knew from the beginning that it was the Russians behind it, so much for stealth.

Also the Crimean takeover by Russia started a conflict that still isn't over and that is still financially hurting Russia deeply.

> Same thing will happen to your country if Poland ever fully develops a set of balls.

Also never.

>>554703

>mattis

*goes around his forces*

What do you do?

>>554836

To be fair, everyone who is not literaly goatherding nigger have ability to make nuclear weapons. See: Poo-in-loo, Pakinstan

>>554836

>paint huff dreams

>glue sniff dreams

Last german uranium enrichment facility in gronau was shut down. There are no places to make plutonium. What do you propose to make the bomb from? At best you can make a dirty bomb, and you don't even have ballistic missiles to deliver it with. Need to use an air launched cruise missile, subsonic, with a range of five hundred kilometers.

Your country runs on wood burning plants generating steam for electricity. That technology predates even coal burning plants of 1800s. You have regressed to Africa tier, the only thing that lets you maintain an illusion that you live in a stable country are the funds you steal from EU member states. In all other terms, you are a banana republic.

The more Germany tries to assert its independence in the future the more hostile the US and greater anglosphere will become. Germany discusses gas pipeline with Russia ukranian revolution happens, Germany votes against US military actions in Libya the UK leaves the EU, Germany says it wants an independent military the migrant crisis happens. The next 20 years of military action will be the US trying to contain emerging powers Germany is Europe's emerging power.

>>554895

The same bankers control both.

>>554875

>What do you propose to make the bomb from?

From the close to 1 t of enriched uranium Germany has still in storage for "scientific research". Germany owns more enriched uranium than India or Israel. Little boy used only 64kg of enriched uranium, but with modern technology you need as little as 16kg for a working nuclear bomb.

So Germany has enough material to build between 15 and 62 nuclear warheads on the spot. This doesn't favor in the fact that Germany has the technology to build new facilities in a short time.

>…, and you don't even have ballistic missiles to deliver it with.

Even the nuclear bombs the USA has in Germany are still deployed by aircraft. Germany has several options(aircraft, submarine, artillery) to deploy a nuclear war had on Poland if it desired to do so, thanks to the fact that the industrial strong regions of Poland are also close to Germany.

Ajo and Poland has no real way of defending against this thread, because they would never know when the nuke comes and they cannot intercept all of Germany's attacks to 100%.

>>554900

>It's not a highly complex world of geopolitics that ties into historical alliances and various states will to survive

>it's all just the Jews guys!

K den.

>>554915

You have the highly enriched uranium needed for a nuclear bomb? Post sources.

>Germany has several options(aircraft, submarine, artillery) to deploy a nuclear war had on Poland if it desired to do so

You are retarded. Your country can't make a nuke in one day while Polish tanks are raping you.

>>554919

>what is internationalized banking in the last 200 years

>>554471

where the Big guy Mattis in this photo? He always has that thousand yard "I'm thinking about murder in an abstract way" stare.

>>555091

see

>>554703

>>554941

>You have the highly enriched uranium needed for a nuclear bomb? Post sources

The numbers are what Germany reported to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in 2009.

I found newer ones from 2015: http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/civilian-heu-germany/

>As of its 2015 declaration, Germany had 1230 kg of HEU, of which approximately 930 kg was irradiated, 270 kg was held in research reactors, and 30 kg was stored in several locations:

>Germany's Federal Storage Site in Hanau; Cadarache, France; Dounreay, Scotland; and at German and European research centers and universities.

>The majority of Germany's HEU is weapons-grade, and if chemically processed further would be directly usable for a nuclear weapon.

>According to the IAEA's Research Reactor Database, Germany has operated over 47 reactors, a quarter of which have operated with HEU fuel. Germany has converted or shut down all but one HEU-fueled research reactor, the FRM-II reactor in Garching (near Munich), which still uses weapons-grade HEU fuel.

>The amount of HEU stored in Germany is set to increase at 32 kg/year as long as the FRM-II is in operation. The "spent fuel is not qualified for U.S. take-back and, by German law, spent fuel can no longer be shipped to France for reprocessing."

Basically despite shutting down its nuclear power plants, Germany is still operation a nuclear power reactor for research which needs the highly enriched uranium and Germany is importing it from other countries since shutting down its own enrichment plant, but because of environmentalist laws they cannot send the spend fuel back to the country from which they imported it and so the storage of highly enriched uranium that Germany has is increasing. The research reactor is also in Bavaria close to Munich, far away from the polish border.

>You are retarded. Your country can't make a nuke in one day while Polish tanks are raping you.

Its quite possible, because all the facilities needed are in West and South Germany on the opposite from which Poland is and the Poland forces would have to travel though all of Germany, cross at least two major river and several mountainous regions, all while fighting an enemy who has about an equal amount of vehicles, a slight advantage in the number of aircraft and who can mobilize three times the number of soldiers that Poland has. Also if Poland loses a tank, they have no real way to replace them, as they use Soviet and German hand me downs, while Germany owns already established production facilities also lie save and sound in West and South Germany.

>>553884

What's wrong with Westerwaldlied?

>>>555211

According to anyone who isn't retarded: nothing.

We literally sung it (on orders of the battalion commander) the day after von der Leyen announced it to be removed from the new version of the booklet. Fuck her.

>>555211

Fluntenuschi didn't get a dick in her vagina for about 120 years, so she let's out her cat lady hate on 150 million military personel.

>>555528

>>555219

I just don't get it. Seems like it's a song about marching, Westerwald is lovely, and faggots can't handle marching or fighting. Then again, my German ain't the best

>>555201

Did you actually read it?

>930 kg was irradiated

Meaning spent fuel.

>270 kg was held in research reactors

Usually in a fuel solution, which would be impossible to extract without months of work.

>and 30 kg was stored in several locations: Germany's Federal Storage Site in Hanau; Cadarache, France; Dounreay, Scotland; and at German and European research centers and universities.

Wowee.

tl;dr you are retarded, Germany can't make a nuke.

>forces would have to travel though all of German

Or use their rocket artillery to take it out.

>>555676

>What am I missing? Sage for offtopic.

The Green Party gained popularity partially because of the anti-nuclear movement, their big stunt to gain publicity for that was to attack the trains the so called "Castor Transporte" that brought new fuel to the reactors and took spent fuel and brought it into storage, either for it to be recycled or to be stored forever in a deep geological repository. Germany has four of such storage sites.

Baby boomers were and are deadly afraid to be radioactive contaminated by these trains moving through Germany, so when they came into power they made it illegal for these transports to leave Germany, to fuck with the nuclear industry which used to send spent fuel rods for recycling to France.

>>556271

>Meaning spent fuel.

>tl;dr you are retarded, Germany can't make a nuke.

Anon the only retard here is you, because spent fuel can be used to obtain weapon grade uranium and plutonium and Germany has the technology to do it and there is no way for us to tell if they aren't or haven't already done it.

You are willing to bet the entire Polish Army and Poland, on the trustworthiness of Angela Merkel, Gerhard Schröder and Helmet Kohl to obey a treaty, which broken would mean Germany has gained a weapon that would make it untouchable.

>>556295

>Germany has gained a weapon that would make it untouchable.

Implying you wouldn't give it to Israel as a present.

Due to marriage and reasons, in a couple of years I could be a German citizen with a couple of years to burn, is the Bundeswehr any sort of a reasonable thing for a young married man to go into? Can any Germans in here weigh in on this.

Also do you have an equivalent of army reserves - a part time army?

>>556295

Do you realize how long that takes? Uranium spends almost a year and a half in a centrifuge process before it can go in a nuke. For plutonium, you'd need to build a breeder reactor capable of making plutonium. That's not going to happen in a few hours either.

None of this shit has any relevance to the topic at hand: Invasion of Germany by Poland.

>trustworthiness

I'm willing to bet it on German leaders and peoples unwavering desire to see their own nation ground into dust.

>>554527

>you should care more about preformance

Which is why we are calling your defence minister out on being a draft dodging faggot

>>556317

>reserves

Just google it, faggot.

>a reasonable thing for a young married man to go into

Depends on three factors:

Your education, where in Germany you live/are stationed, and how well you can spend money.

Your education: Depending on your education you can join as a higher rank immediately.

If you have a Berufsabschluss you can join as Unteroffizier, while a Meister allows you to join as a Feldwebel.

You won't earn a lot more as those, maybe a couple hundred Euros a month, but you get more training, and (especially in maintenance) you will have an easy time becoming a Berufssoldat, which means that you get a fat pension at the end of your career, and basically never have to worry about getting fired unless you fuck up.

If you have a uni degree you can join as an Offizier immediately, which is neat, and earns from 2k a month upwards.

Second: where you live

Depending on where you live your expenses will be different, while your Sold stays the same. West German cities are more expensive than east German ones, and cities are more expensive than rural areas. An Offiziersgehalt will be enough to buy you a house in a rural area, but a Mannschaflter may have a hard time paying the rent and all secondary costs in a City such as Munich or Stuttgart, especially if you have a family to feed. You will also have to pay for transportation to and from your base every week. If you live in the same town you can take the bus there, but if you live a few hundred kilometers away (which can happen) you will have to buy train tickets or fuel for your car, which will cut into your budget.

Thirdly: spending money.

There are many ways to save money as a Soldier. you have a family, so using the Kaserne as a free place to live is out of the question, but the Food in the Truppenküche is dirtcheap (it tastes that way too), and you can get bonuses for having a child and wife at home too. It would be best to ask a Berater of the Bundeswehrverband first. Google their number, they will be glad to help you. Don't waste your money on alcohol, drugs or other bullshit. There is a reason many soldiers get indebted quickly, and it's not because they get paid too little. Drugs, gambling, you name it.

Also: your body will be your money maker. Take good care of it.

Also Also: don't blow your first Sold on Ausrüstung you don't need.

Also Also Also: If you don't understand German you will be fucked though.

t. Aufklärer

>>556637

>he dodged draft

>that makes him shit at leading organizations

???

Anyone have the article about the German's participating in NATO or UN wargames with brooms instead of guns? That shit always cracks me up.

>>556629

>Do you realize how long that takes?

Germany had 70 years time to build a nuclear weapon.

>Uranium spends almost a year and a half in a centrifuge process before it can go in a nuke.

Which Germany is building and several Nations are desperate to acquire them to run their own nuclear program.

You do realize there are certain embargoes places on certain Nations, simply so they can't go and just buy all the parts to run a nuclear program from Germany?

>None of this shit has any relevance to the topic at hand: Invasion of Germany by Poland.

It does, if Poland wanted to invade Germany you would think they would make sure that they don't bite up off more than they can chew and eat a nuclear retaliation in return.

After WW2 Germany spend 40 years to get ready for a nuclear WW3 and it only neglected its military in the past two decades.

>I'm willing to bet it on German leaders and peoples unwavering desire to see their own nation ground into dust.

Then you are a naive stupid fool, who doesn't realize that the ethno masochism of the jewish golems doesn't stop by their own people.

You have mistaken the possibility of Germany having nuclear weapons with the idea that these politicians obtained them for the well being of Germany.

>>557282

>At the end of it all I had no time for my fiancee and got into quarrels because the females squatted in our room ("stube"), I couldn't get my protein because they didn't allow to prepare your own food in regards to an accident that has happened once, so I was forced to buy supplements and was stuck with their garbage food. Most of my "comrades" were degenerates whose life consists "who was fucked whom?" "how much beer did he drink?" and playing tough infront of civilians whilst they curl up like bitches when they were forced to do an 3km march. This is amplified by the female counterparts in which a Fähnrich wasn't even able to climb a small wall in the HiBa and another female - ironically a Fernmelder - who dropped out of the mentioned march before we had even left the barrack and had to get hauled out by an fullblown medic escort.

Well, isn't that EVERY western military at this point?

We did a "march" to the local shooting range (1.5km, I measured it) once, 50 men, 2 females, full kit, no ammo, no heavy weapons, no ammo.

At the end of it two females and three males had to have their gear hauled for them, and get pushed from behind to continue moving.

The whole "degenerate" thing is normal for literally all military personnel. You wouldn't join the military if you were capable of more than following orders. I have personally only been a Mannschaftler, but I would guess hope pray that this problem gets better the higher your Dienstgradgruppe.

The food rule is no longer enforced. You can go get your own food, soldiers even leave the base for lunch out

Don't ever start anything with a female in basic. They are whores and you will get STDs. They had to haul out all mattresses from our barracks because someone dragged in Scabies, and spread them around to literally every platoon in our company. Either we had one very lucky guy, or one very whoreish female.

>I thought I could learn valuable skills, network with likeminded people and make a difference for my nation - but the Bundeswehr is hermetically sealed off by design, so no military personnal could ever change/decide/ or do something.

Did you seriously believe that you could change jack shit as a soldier? Soldiering hasn't changed in millennia, you join, do shit work in more or less shit environments and get shit pay unless you end up a well paid mercenary, at which point you join, do shit work in more or less shit environments and get good pay.

>Before you learn about combat tactics you will meet a a tranny that you will have to greet as "Frau Oberst Landsteiner" oder so which shows you s&m porn and smugly tells you, that it is untouchable by even the highest mil. persona

doubt.jpg

>And don't join the Bundeswehr right away if you plan to; you can literally study photography or gender studies and join the army as an Hauptmann afterwards

Solid advice. Study some engineering shit and you have BS guaranteed, and can always switch to technischer Dienst if you decide to quit, or your health unexpectedly takes a nosedive after a training exercise involving a parachute. Ich hab noch keinen ex-Falli getroffen, der sich nicht bei irgendeinem Absprung arg verletzt hatte.

>>557282

>wanted to join Fallschirmjäger or be a MGer since I was a kid

Hopes and dreams deleted

>>556253

"We want, that in these few years every bee, every butterfly, and every bird (Krautspeak)"

My German is really rusty, can someone translate the last few words?

>>557472

>Germany in 1930’s

>You must always fight to better yourself, fight for these German people no matter their class and fight for this German nation with your last breath

>Germany in CY3

>fight for the bees and the butterflies and birds lol

>>557531

t."If you kill your enemy, they win"-istan

>>557090

Good Education (Berufsabschluss), West DE, and no denbts/expensive habits

>>557282

>Before you learn about combat tactics you will meet a a tranny that you will have to greet as "Frau Oberst Landsteiner" oder so which shows you s&m porn and smugly tells you, that it is untouchable by even the highest mil. personal.

Jesus Christ how horrifying

>I thought I could learn valuable skills, network with likeminded people and make a difference for my nation - but the Bundeswehr is hermetically sealed off by design, so no military personnal could ever change/decide/ or do something.

Doppel Shid :DDDDDDD

Thanks for the advice Streloks. I'll be in DE for at least 5 years and aught to get some studying in soonish, but I get what you're saying. It shouldn't be a decision made rashly especially for someone who'll be closer to 30 by the time all is said and done.

>>557297

>They had to haul out all mattresses from our barracks because someone dragged in Scabies, and spread them around to literally every platoon in our company

[Desire to join Bundeswehr deminishes]

>>557563

By the way, how many people over 25 are in the rank and file Bundeswehr?

>>557564

Also Also, how many non-natives have you guys seen in service? Can't be many I assume

>>557564

Many.

>>557563

>Good Education (Berufsabschluss), West DE, and no denbts/expensive habits

Go to a Karrierezentrum and ask what kind of position you can get. Leave if they offer anything but Unteroffizier or above.

>>557567

I am half non-native myself.

<5%

>>557534

t. Wir schaffen das-istan

>>557544

>They used to be ""against"" nuclear power on the outside, yet gleefully signed every deal which their sister party SPD proposed to them. They have no idea of nature and whenever they try to meddle with it they fuck up everything on such a grand scale that the state has to sponsor us hunters to clean up after them, one of many examples:

Every Green Party says they want to help the environment but then they try to ban hunting because they don’t understand population control. Or even worse they want to bring in pajeets or nogs which don’t give a fuck about the environment.

>>Hunters meanwhile get increasingly anxious about the raccoon population which has infested many parts of germany allready and urges other hunters to get to the trapping line and decrease their numbers

Really? I didn’t think Germoney had raccoon. My Opa came over from Hamburg a few years ago and he saw a raccoon when we took him to Hongcouver and he didn’t know what the fuck a raccoon was when we saw one. He thought it was a skunk.

>an specific trapmodule which has exorbitant costs

That is all retarded. Do they just not understand what they are asking of hunters is impractical or impossible, or is that just to make rules that no one can follow so no one can trap? And from what I’ve researched it costs enough to get your licence just to target shoot, and a hunting licence is even more money.

>greenparty in hands with the state now grants a bounty of 6€ for every shot nutria in Niedersachsen, because after evicting hunters from the watergrounds the undisturbed Nutriapopulation has destroyed dams and eroded canals.

Stupid hunters! Oh no, hunters help us! Are Die Grünen in power in NRW and Niedersachsen, or are they calling for this stuff as a minor party?

>>557536

>Funfact: there is an ongoing project that will change the name of german military personnal from "Soldier" to "citizen in uniform" in an agenda trying to remove the last crippled remnants of what can't even be called a german army. The bundeswehr will then become a police branch which isn't even in charge of it's own personnal anymore. This will be deemed a great success for Flintenuschi and progressive policymaking

How else will they Integrate into the EU SSR army? I swear, by the time I am going to sign up to join it will already be completely ruined. I wanted to go to Uni first and then join so I can go straight to officer school and then maybe I could straighten up some days and punish feminist whores. But I’m sure I’ll get banned from entering the Bundeswehr for being too right wing or I’ll get written up for being too mean.

>>557589

>Jugendherberge

I guess something along the lines of a "youth hostel" or "youth community center".

>>557589

>they are deemed too cute and/or too tiresome to hunt effectively.

Well fox meat don’t very good i think so you’re only getting a pelt out of it, right?

>I don't know why you would want to join the Bundeswehr

My Opa’s brother in law, my great uncle (not sure the German term) was in the Bundeswehr for many years and my family had some what of a military history in and before WWII. If there were a modern Weimar era Freikorps I would join that instead, but to do that now I would need to wait for a putsch.

>but I can tell you, that your social standing is nowhere near of that of american soldiers

*Preußen’s Gloria fades into background as hopes and dreams collapse* (((Allied re-education))) ruined everything. inb4 thread Details into yet anther WWII shit flinging thread

>because they can't outlaw hunting yet they use such methods so no one can actually hunt.

>For example hunters who hunt in governmentcontrolled forests are now required to shoot leadfree ammo,

My IQ dropped 40 points from reading that

>as if the gun and ammotaxes aren't high enough in Germany. I paid 80€ for my 20shots of 8x57IS leadfree.

Holy fuck, new (from a manufacturer) 8mm Mauser is pretty pricey here, but I have found some Romanian surplus for my K98 that’s about $20 for 20 rounds.

>Their casus belli is, that lead is poisonous and will infect the meat and the forest; yet a doc. who is also a hunter hunting in germany is allmost entirely an upperclass and landowner thing accumulated data and showed that a bar of choccolate from your usual discounter contains 100times fold the leadamount of a leadshot animal. He now doesn't buy choccolate for his children anymore, he noted.

But that doctor owns guns. His research is therefore biased and he’s clearly a far right wing Nazi. Also facts are sexist/racist/islamophobic/ect. If hunting is a upperclass thing now does that mean if I try to get my hunting licence no hunting clubs will take me because I’m a pleb? I think S-H is really shitty for hunting.

>my family consists of ex-prussian citizens who were dragged into siberian gulags and returned. From germans we are considered as russians and from russians we are considered as germans.

tfw will never be considered German because my parents never taught me how to speak. Yes Australia I am THAT leaf

>>557593

>the greens are heaviest in power in NRW and are also strong in NDS. Cologne is their partycapital so to speak and we all know what happened on that not forgotten silversternight and why. They are parasites completely detached from any sort of reality.

I was stupefied that they were displaying posters for the Junge Karl Marx movie last year. I knew they were commies but I thought kryto-commies not overt.

>>557611

Jugendherberge in English is youth hostel but a better world would be kindergarten.

>>557228

What's funnier actually tragic that denazified germany did exponentially more damage than Third Reich could.

>>557767

Wha's the current feeling of joe.pole towards Germany these days?

>>557751

Ever since reading Storm of Steel my respect for the Freikorps has grown immensely.

>Lost ground in 1917

>still holding against the mostly English and French despite low supplies

>1918

>exactly 100 years ago yesterday Russia signs the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk

>Thousands of troops freed up to move to the Western Front

>still no definitive signs that the army is losing

>all of a sudden The Kaiser abdicates and the Reich surrenders

>millions of soldiers immediately pulled out of the trenches and the hell they lived through

>lose land/Rhineland is occupied

>commies starting uprisings

Also they were aesthetic as fuck

>Also this time we not only shoot commies but nigres and sandnigres too, what's not to like?

tfw I’ll have to leave my K98, and other guns in Canada. I assume there’s lots of nice K98s (with waffenamps) in Germany instead of shitty mid matched Russian captures.

>>557767

>Jews do more damage than Nationalists

I M A G I N E M Y S H O C K

>>557751

Also nameif that song? My “Marches” playlist needs a new song

>>557228

>last pic

>nig and chink in the first row

>right one in the second row is clearly Middle Eastern

>left one in the third row seems to be retarded

Is this common, or is that a propaganda picture?

>>557779

Also the two or three Germans looks like soyboys, no normal looking men.

>Is this common, or is that a propaganda picture?

The few Bundeswehr soldiers I’ve seen were all German but many women, though I don’t know what their role was, hopefully non-combat

>>557776

"Die Grenzwacht hielt im Osten"

>>557773

I wish you stopped ruining everything for everyone.

General mindset due to soviet-written curriculum is that "nazis are back at ruining yurop again" with no realization that current year germany is closer to Weimar except for the economy.

>>557877

>care to explain the general differences between the PO and the PIS

in a nutshell democrats vs republicans

PO

>The former communists who cling on to the belief that there is no God, camp of treason and progress, get their money from German BND and follow their orders

>Lost power due to wiretapping scandal where waiters from an overpriced restaurant published tapes exposing how vile they were, curiously 400 hours of those tapes came from apartment of Donald Tusk, a venue a waiter would struggle with wiretapping, but i doubt a negroid CIA operative would have any trouble with even despite his detrimental bio-luminescence

PiS

>Former communists who have discovered there is a god money and are the holders of monopoly over mainstream expression of (((patriotism))) real patriotism was agreed by aforementioned to never be let anywhere near the mainstream in the 80's during Magdalenka talks

>They answer to CIA/Mossad until just recently the prime minister dared to question* the purity and goodness of not only Jews during WWII but also Germans who paid jews bribe ransom money to become "the 1st victim of nazism" in general history

To make things more tangled, the American owned TVN, is actually following and shilling continuously for PO

* Very puzzling move because previous PM agreed upon *something* with Israel, and president did the same with Abe Foxman of the ADL, probably about takeover of any heirless property by jews, which obviously is something (((they))) would need to keep the less valuable natives in dark as long as possible, it feels like 36D underwater chess-go hybrid because everyone knows that Poland is a designated nuclear strike zone in an advance denial strike by BOTH USA/NATO and Russia, so if you want to get rid of all the Jewry you just need to pass Bills S.447 and H.R.1226, wait untils jews settle in with their easiest shekels yet, then start a quick war with Russia where Russians just nuke Poland to deny NATO ability to invade Russia.

>>557944

>Poland will successfully invade Germany

>doesn’t even get dubs

>has to ask others to screen cap

Pathetic

As good as an invasion of Germany would be I don’t think Poland could do it without German gibs. I’ll just have to wait for something else to cause mass nationalism.

>>557953

>Could do it without German gibs

Epic meme, because EU money being embezzled with worthless installations or parks is key to Polish economy, not to mention, germany funnels out money through tax evasion scams with their stores.

>>557865

>i wish you stopped ruining everything for everyone

It's so easy to give Germany the fault for everything wrong in the world, even though there are a lot of reasons the word is like it is right now.

Consequences after officer candidate dies during March:

After an officer candidate collapsed and died on a march in Juli 2017, the commander of the Heer Training-command issued an order, that is meant to ensure the physical safety of all soldiers during training.

During physically taxing exercises the health of the soldier has priority, and the solider must be allowed to leave if he claims to be at the end of his physical abilites.

>Fordernde körperliche Ausbildung ist unverzichtbar zum Erreichen/Erhalt der individuellen Einsatzbereitschaft. Dieser Forderung steht die individuelle körperliche Unversehrtheit als ein besonders schützenswertes Gut gegenüber. Im Zweifelsfall ist der individuellen persönlichen Unversehrtheit immer Priorität einzuräumen. Das heißt konkret, dass fordernde körperliche Ausbildung immer dann einzustellen/zu beenden ist, wenn der Lehrgangsteilnehmer zu verstehen gibt, dass er nicht mehr kann. Auch entsprechende körperliche Symptome der Auslastung/Überlastung müssen zum Abbruch der Belastung führen, selbst wenn der Einzelne sich „durchbeißen“ möchte und dies klar zum Ausdruck bringt. Hier hat die Fürsorgeverantwortung des Ausbilders Priorität.

>Es gilt die individuellen Belastbarkeitsgrenzen noch mehr zu beachten, insbesondere durch Bilden von differenzierten Leistungsklassen, und die Anzeichen von Gesundheitsbeeinträchtigungen rechtzeitig zu erkennen.

Basically: if you are a wimp and claim that you can't keep going anymore, they now have to stop and either abort the training exercise, or allow you and some other comrades to take a slower tempo.

If they don't finally start booting those out who can't meet the standards we are fucked.

http://augengeradeaus.net/2018/03/odesfall-auf-dem-marsch-heer-konsequenzen/

>>563099

fuck i messed up my bolds

>>563101

>>563099

>>563103

>inverse pooland

>not even once

It wasn't just one cadet, a couple more of his group collapsed and were hospitalized with severe hyperthermia.

The problem of figuring out if a recruit is just pretending to be completely done or if he truly is completely done is as old as institutionalized training for soldiers. How is an instructor, who knows his men for less than three months, supposed to know who is just pretending, when everybody is wearing camo paint in their faces, when everyone is sweating and everyone has a heavy pack on their back. It's already difficult to judge your own limits and push yourself past them, but how is a leader supposed to judge that for 50 or so men? This new order is just bullshit, because if something goes wrong now, the instructor is legally fucked and can't just say that the recruit didn't signal his exhaustion enough, or that it was an accident that simply happened. This means that any soldier who wants to stay in the army and not get booted out for a small transgression will have to follow this new order and allow recruits to slack off, rather than risk to push them any further.

>>563104

Islam, like most other religions, is legal in the army, and you can receive food without pork even in the field because there are two types of field rations already. One with pork, one without.

t.son of a muslim, and had a few muslim comrades

Only 50% of them were fags.

I know of a guy who blew his brains out in the Stans because his GF left him and told him via SMS.

Look through the list of German soldiers killed while outside of Germany: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todesf%C3%A4lle_bei_Auslandseins%C3%A4tzen_der_Bundeswehr

Then ctrl+f for "Suizid" (which is suicide in German).

Those are just the cases that have been published as "suicide". There are probably many more that are hidden as "unknown" ore "unclear" or "accident".

Every time shit like this happens you have a casualty without any chance of recovering them. Even if they go abroad and simply decide that they don't want to go ever again because it was such a shit experience, they will leave the army and you will have lost a soldier. It makes sense to take care of the guys who are willing to risk their life for you.

A story i heard from a colleague (i work with a lot of Germans).

He was in the Bundesmarine a few decades ago, but he also had quite a lot of time at land.

His base was gonna have an inspection, and the vehicles they had must look as if everything was OK.

The tires, looking quite used were a big problem. How do you solve that ?

Shoe Polish . Yes they covered the whole tires of the vehicles with it.

Inspection passed, the superiors ordered them to put back the vehicles where they belong.

Quickly after the maneuver the same people wondered why there were suddenly black marks on the ground.

A story from a Frog who i was with in French uni :

He was deployed in a french airport for the whole "vigipirate" operation of France.

So basically walking around all day in the airport with serious funs in the hands and hoping no wild jihoudi decides to get a fast ticket to allah.

However as he told me about his encounter with the population of the airport, the strange tourists and the local crazy hobos, one part of his story made me ask myself serious questions about the mental health of the french administration.

The Bullet proof jacket they have do not resist water.

If the jacket gets wet it looses a lot of protection, and it needs a special drying to get that protection back.

>>563120

**I didn't get to choose my parents you dipshit.

I served because I love this place. Fuck you.**

>>563122

gib a ruh

Where are your parents from?

>>563123

Doesn't matter. It's a shithole. The country won't allow me to get rid of my second citizenship. It's hell. I just want to be German and German only ;_;

>>563124

I was never a muslim to begin with and decided for the protestant church later on.

Fucking linebreaks ruining spoilers. RRRREEEEEE

Sage because this is mildly offtopic.

>>563132

You're not an arab, are you?

>>563145

No. I am German.

>>563158

Calm down mate. As far as I'm concerned you've earned the title. You're probably more entitled to being called German than 90% of the pathetic excuses who comprise the CY+3 Germany.

I was just wondering if your parents were Persian. Protip: a surfire way of spotting an Iranian, no matter how much he hates the title, is to call him an 'arab'. He'll go ballistic, breaking into a firestorm of autistic rage, enough to burn the entire planet.

>>563169

You guessed correctly. I hated every second I was forced to spend in Iran. It would be quite beautiful if it weren't for the people.

50% of them are backwards-ass villagers, and 50% want to waste all of the money they can get (they literally indebt themselves) on any anything that seems remotely western (Lipstick, Food, even diapers, as long as it has a western name they consider it a status symbol). Then there are the fucks who leave their country, get asylum somewhere like Sweden crying muh political persecution, and then scream at the top of their lungs when you say you don't want anything to do with such a bad place.

And every time someone with a remotely Iranian bloodline does anything of even remote importance AFTER THEY HAVE LEFT THE COUNTRY BECAUSE IT'S SHIT, all of them rejoice and pat their shoulders, saying "Ah, yes, a true Iranian."

Like, nigger that guy who researched some minor thing about cancer literally had to flee your country because it's shit there. How can you be proud of that? Literally how?! He got all of his education in another place, he did all his research in another place, he literally left your country forever. HOW can you be proud of that?

/rant

>>563172

That or die trying.

To get back on topic: This new order is utterly retarded. It was already clear that an instructor has fucked up if one of the people under his command dies of hyper-/hypothermia or gets injured because of some training exercise. It is their responsibility to return their soldiers alive and well, just like it's the soldiers's responsibility to return their rifle cleaned and functioning. Instead of leaving it in their own responsibility to decide how far they want to push their soldiers, they now have clear instructions. The instructions aren't bad. If someone says that they can't keep walking after only 1 kilometer they simply don't meet medical standards. They will be brought back to the medical center, where a doc can look over them and decide if their "severe pain" is because of some ailment (like a torn muscle literally preventing them from walking), or if they are just so physically unfit that they can't walk more than 1km.

If they have been considered too unfit to walk that distance, they can be thrown out based on medical reasons.

This has been an unwritten law up until this point, though the physical minimum standards can be met by an 80 year old woman with arthritis, so you really have to be a lazy faggot to not make it through that.

With this new written instruction instructors are forced to abort training under two circumstances: they themselves notice that one of the trainees is overworking themselves and may injure themselves, or the trainee says that they can't keep going.

The second case is what is bothering me. So far it was the responsibility of the leader to take care of his men. Now he can't push them beyond what they thought was possible. Everybody has their inner Schweinehund. Every Strelok knows this. There is this one point where you THINK you can't keep going, but you take another step, or do another pushup, and then another one, and another one, and another one until you have reached the goal and you look back at what you have accomplished.

THIS is what training is for. Recruits are supposed to learn that they can achieve almost anything, as long as they keep going, shut up and keep going at all costs.

Now they can just abort and force the instructors to stop. Basic isn't just for making you physically capable of being a soldier. It is meant to change your psychiological attitude from that of a boy who gives up to that of a man who keeps going.

Again we have a sad case of one idiot fucking things up for the rest and forcing legislation (or orders) on all those who knew how to behave properly.

I just hope instructors have the balls to tell their recruits to shut the fuck up and keep walking.

>>563193

>and 50% want to waste all of the money they can get (they literally indebt themselves) on any anything that seems remotely western

Kek, can confirm

>>563210

Because I am not. My father is. I am not.

Krankmeldung after Zugabend is just weak. If you are strong enough to drink you are strong enough to work the day after. It's part of the training. Alcohol is a big part of the military, and understanding that there are drinking limits and that you have to deal with the consequences thereof is an important step towards treating your body properly.

>>563169

>the pathetic excuses who comprise the CY+3 Germany.

>Britcuck calling anyone else pathetic under any circumstance

Ayy

>>563222

Swimming with a kater is probably the most comfy thing you can do.

Just dive down and drown out all noise, control your breathing and enjoy a little physical exercise. I wish the local swimming pool wasn't besieged by old people all the time. You can't properly sprint when there is a senior every ten meters.

Your comrades deserve the reward for not pussying out.

>>563193

Hint: "some shithole I'd rather not mention", or variations thereof, is a surfire way of telling people on the interwebs it's Iran you're talking about. The rant about whenever some Iranian accomplishes something great was spot on.

You're an alright fella. Sage for offtopic.

>>571433

Raccoons are a fucking bitch to hunt and get rid of unless you go out of your way to set some anti-freeze up. Fucking trash bandits.

>>563099

lel

>>553688

That image is degenerate tbh

>>571492

>Soldier touching a grills milks is degenerate

be a gay somewhere else

>>571433

>bring niggers to your country because it's fun to shoot them

???

re:publica

In Germany there is an annual convention about cyber security and shit like that.

It was originally a very left leaning forum for people to discuss cyber freedom and how to achieve it. Nowadays it has turned into a partly government backed industrial convention where companies come and show off what kind of cyber shit they do.

The Bundeswehr has a so called "Kommando Cyber und Inforamtionsraum" (command of the Cyber- and Inforamtion-space) since a few years now. It's essentially a newly formed cyber warfare center with lots of controvers around it, not only regarded it's effectiveness, but also considering it's legality. Some of it's upper figures have called for so called "hack back" attacks, where once an attack on German or allied cyber targets was confirmed they would not only do anything they can to defend the network and keep damage to an absolute minimum, but they would also strike back, use any information they can gather and immediately launch a counter attack, in an attempt to

a) gather more information about the enemy

b) reduce their ability to continue their attack

c) neuter any future attempts at attacking the Bundeswehr or it's allies

So with that background knowledge: last year the guys organizing the re:publica have denied the Bundeswehr to take part in the event, stating that they sent their application too late.

This was proven wrong after the Bundeswehr published pictures of communication between them and the re:publica organizers.

This year the Bundeswehr sent their application extra early, but were denied to take part in Uniform. The Bundeswehr, getting quite fed up with this shit, decided to rent a truck and park it in front of the re:publica entry. Around said truck they positioned officers and soldiers in Uniform and talked to visitors about the fact that the Bundeswehr was denied entry because they refused to go without uniforms.

This was very controversial. Some say that the Bundeswehr was behaving childishly, some say that it's OK to inform visitors of the double standards of re:publica, and yet others say that they should have gone without uniforms then.

BUT: In German there is a term for soldier that was developed after the second world war, where the military formed a "state within a state", with it's own laws, jurisdiction and morals. To prevent this, the term "Staatsbürger in Uniform" (citizen wearing uniform) was created to make sure that everybody understands that soldiers are just that, citizens like any other.

The main difference between a soldier and a citizen thus is the uniform, which distinguishes the soldier from a citizen. A soldier doesn't have more rights (in fact some of his rights may be denied in order for him to perform his tasks better) than a citizen, and a citizen may not treat a soldier worse than a normal citizen.

By denying entry while wearing uniform re:publica is essentially denying the Bundeswehr to send soldiers and instead demands they send civilians. Since nearly everybody in the Bundeswehr is a soldier first and an [whatever they do] second, it is nearly impossible to send a civilian, who has the same information as a soldier could provide.

Harry S. Truman and the Hessen

The German frigate "Hessen" has left the Harry S. Truman carrier group.

Many have speculated that this is because the German government doesn't want to support the recent strikes in Syria, but that's simply not true.

The German armed forces are a parliamentary army. They require a direct order from the Bundestag to perform operations abroad during peace time. This includes the Marine and it's actions in the mediterranean sea.

The newly re-elected "Gro-Ko" (Große Koalition, "big coalition" between the CDU/CSU ("christian" democratic/social union) and the SPD (social democrat party)) may have extended the order to support the missions in Syria, but has reduced the extend of the action itself.

There is a set maximum number of soldiers that can be deployed abroad per mission. Since the number of soldiers for the Syrian anti ISIS operations was reduced the support for the US carrier group was cut from the list of tasks to not risk under staffing other areas.

The Harry S. Truman carrier group also left for the eastern mediterranean a long time after the strikes in Syria, and thus there was no way the German frigate could have partaken in said strikes (not to mention that it's an AA frigate).

Merkel claims that missions in foreign territories are crucial to German safety

You can watch her full "podcast" here:

https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/Webs/BKin/DE/Mediathek/Einstieg/mediathek_einstieg_podcasts_node.html

archive.is is throwing a network error at the time of me writing this. Pls no bully.

You can download the text version at "Textversion herunterladen", and throw it into google translate if you really want to read all of that bullshit.

Basically: she said that in her opinion the German army shouldn't shift focus from missions in foreign territory (Auslandseinsätze) towards the defece of German soil and German allies. She also didn't mention any of the current budget talks.

NATO has recommended for years that all NATO nations invest at least 2% if their GDP on their military. Germany has neglected this for years and years, and with all the fuss about how shit the army has become a debate was started about investing more into the army again.

The budget talks are still open and Merkel didn't mention them in her "podcast".

Von der Leyen (minister of defence and supreme commander of all German armed forces during peace time) has recently stated that she wants to shift the focus from Auslandseinsätze to national defence and defence of NATO allies, like Lithuania and Poland, in the draft of the new 2018 white book of the ministry of defence.

There is an open rift between von der Leyen and Merkel.

On monday there is a meeting between the most important German generals, the minister of defence (vdL) and Merkel, who was invited by vdL.

This is going to be an interesting meeting, and you should probably keep your eyes on anything that comes out of it.

>>553681

I don't think one needs to worry about Poland invading Germany. Half the whites in Germany are Poles or Ukrainians anyways, so they just need to sit and wait.

>>579385

The concept can be used for any situation where a certain group (not necessarily a state organ) tries to form a subgroup outside of the juridiction of the state they operate within. Scientology is a good example, but the SS works a lot better.

They have their own laws, methods, "officials" and ranks. These laws and rules may contradict normal law, but who is there to stop an armed group of fanatics?

It's a wide topic, and can be observed in a lot of places and during almost any period where a certain political, or religious group was in power.

The knights templar are another example. They had their own law, rules and officials. They were a powerful group operating entirely on their own, and despite not owning a piece of land to govern, they were not to be messed with.

Many ethnic groups also form a state within a state, as a measure to protect their cultural uniqueness, or simply because they dislike the culture of their host nation. Something like this can be often observed in Afghanistan, where the village eldest may speak law that contradicts the law of the country, but who cares? There is no government official to stop him, and anyone inside the village follows his law.

It's an interesting topic, but not too well suited for /k/. Sadly /his/ is not too active.

>>579396

I'm well aware all of that, but I'm interested in the German situation before the end of ww2. Was this a Wehrmacht thing with a long history, or something that developed in the interwar period? And what did it mean in practice? If a soldier commited a crime then his superior just told the state police to fuck off, or what?

>not too well suited for /k/

You just have to be creative. There even is a thread for it: >>575424

>>579400

Well, if an SS soldier committed a crime on the orders of his superiors it was essentially considered a party sanctioned action, which usually meant no punishment or even prosecution, even if his name was known and there were multiple witnesses.

If he did so without orders it entirely depended on his rank an connections to the party. If he was just a low Mannschaftler, then it was extremely easy to lay the hammer of law on him, and throw him out of the SS too, simply to send a message to the other members.

If he had connections he could just use them to ask a higher ranking member to tell the police to fuck off. 100% of the time they did.

As I said, this shit is not limited to a certain time period. The prussian military practically operated off this principle, to the point where it was law that a solider may only be punished by his superiors.

In the Reichswehr of WWI this principle was loosened and soldiers were partly normal citizens, and after the first world war the military was a wild underground organization that did a lot of illegal (by Versailles and Weimar standards) shit on orders of the Civilian leadership and completely on their own.

>>579405

Forgot to mention: the book "Starship troopers" take a LOT of inspiration from the Prussian Military. I am not sure if Heinlein was aware of this or not, but there are a ton of parallels you can draw.

>>579409

Against what enemies?

Germany is a NATO nation, surrounded by NATO nations. After the fall of the USSR there was no real reason to fund anything but a small anti-terrorist force for the 'stans, and a navy to keep the Pirates at bay. It doesn't take much to kill untrained farmers and half-starved Somalis.

>>579411

>Against what enemies?

Yourself

New Germans

Deutsche Demokratische Republik nostalgia driven fans

Pick any

>>579415

>Realistically, there's not much of a reason for Germany to have a military other than as a figurehead.

Thank you burger, you truly are our greatest ally (^:

>>579420

As a side note, America could honestly combine its Navy & Airforce as a "police" unit for international waters, get rid of the army/marines, and just rely on the National Guard/Coastguard for about 95% of our problems. If we pulled out of the Middle East completely and fucking left Russia alone, our only real enemies that could harm us would be the cartels crossing the border from Mexico and various Chinese cargo carriers in open waters. It's not like the Middle East would be able to maintain airports to the US if we weren't defending our shitty "allies" there instigating most of the wars, which means the chances of terrorists even getting to the US would be far lower. That timeline would be great for America but would likely be pretty shitty for Europe as a whole since it would mean y'all would have to invest more money into National Defense when the fucking frogs decide to get uppity and carpet bomb North Africa for shits and giggles.

>>579421

You should read the story about a The Lamb and the Wolves by Krasicki

Aggression ever finds cause if sufficiently pressed.

Two wolves on the prowl had trapped a lamb in the forest

And were about to pounce. Quoth the lamb: "What right have you?"

"You're toothsome, weak, in the wood." — The wolves dined sans ado.

You don't need a timeless ideological enemy to warrant an army, just having neighbors is sufficient.

>>579427

>Be on excellent trade terms with your neighbours so they have less of an incentive to attack meaninglessly and destroy that trade which keeps their citizenry in check/happy/unwilling to fight with you

You mean like Belgium was with Germany in 1914?

Invading a place to obtain it's natural resources or industrial facilities, even just their ports is a valid option.

>>Allow easy marriage/intermingling with your immediate neigbours (the more generations the better) so as to make it clear that going to war with you is going to war with their own citizenry

Do you even know how many Polish/Germans and French/Germans existed in Preußen/Schlesien/Lothringen before WWII? Going to war with your own "citizenry" can easily happen for aforementioned reasons. Guy Sajer, the guy who wrote "Forgotten Soldier", was a French/German, who was so disheartened when he came back after four years of the worst the eastern front had to offer just to hear that his French countrymen were working against the Germans, that he had doubts about his own countrymen. He barely even spoke German when he was drafted into the Wehrmacht, and when he came back he was called a Boche to the face.

Citizenry doesn't matter. Politics does, and politics is retarded.

>Have laws (or lack thereof) in place that allow the citizenry to own weapons

>Make sure the citizenry recognizes those weapons as being for their own defense/treats them as tools/uses them responsibly (this is important)

You know how you do that? By putting everyone through a very basic training. Maybe there should be an institution just to train young men and possibly women too in the arts of war and combat. You could call it "mandatory service" and "basic training". Dunno. Maybe the Finns and Swiss could elaborate.

>>Actually DEFEND your citizenry when they defend themselves from threats instead of going after them under stupid laws (this is even more important)

I actually agree with this.

>>Don't enforce a bunch of trade restrictions that will make your neighbours hate you. If they try to do this to you, flood their markets with your goods to piss off their citizenry over the raised prices of your goods, thus creating internal conflict if they try to restrict you

Hello there, Thomas Mun!

>>Don't needlessly restrict your citizenry and don't pass kneejerk-reaction laws that will make your citizenry upset with you

See above, politics is retarded.

>>557751

>>557774

>>557883

Is this the direction the zeitgeist is going? I have had an interest in the Freikorps for awhile and have started to see them mentioned more and more. I know on youtube a shit ton of channels devoted to their music (they were quite artistic) have exploded over the last few months, which is good. I personally think this gesalt springs from Ernst Junger finally being introduced into the Anglosphere properly, not as an accessory to the Nazi's. Also, which edition did you read? Basil Creighton's translation or the Penguin edition?

>>579379

>Merkel claims that missions in foreign territories are crucial to German safety

>Merkel

>saying anything about "safety"

>>579396

>despite not owning a piece of land to govern,

But knight's templars did have land. Well in a sense that you had a metric shitton of monasteries and their monks working the land and forwarding the profits to banks that templars owned and ran, which in return made even more money as nobles and other such people took loans from that said bank.

Templars, in the end, became some absurd mixture of a religious military formation doing banking stuff independent of any kings. Which ofcourse checked all the right boxes in "this is how you piss off any and all financially troubled rulers"-list.

>>579513

>>Merkel claims that missions in foreign territories are crucial to German safety

Well, if the west doesn't act like priceless israel demands, they might start throwing nukes at European capitals.

>>579478

I read penguin’s translation, as the forward by the author, seems to be explicit that the previous most popular translation (don’t remember who it was by) was not very accurate.

>>579501

If you mean my post here: >>557774 I didn’t mean to imply that Jünger was in the freikorps. I meant to say that I respected them more after learning what many of them went through in WWI only to be dumped by the government suddenly, and left to fight commies alone.

>>579530

>If you mean my post here: >>557774 I didn’t mean to imply that Jünger was in the freikorps. I meant to say that I respected them more after learning what many of them went through in WWI only to be dumped by the government suddenly, and left to fight commies alone.

Righty then.

Read "Die Geächteten" if you want more Freikorps, its first two thirds are really great.

>>557282

this kinda reaffirms why im not going to join the military, it had a nice ring to it with pleasurable words like honor, integrity, and other heroic and great words, but it just isnt like that anymore, whatever their reputation and history was, it is no longer

>>579715

>but it just isn't like that anymore

It never was like that.

The military was always lead by politicians, who have always fucked up.

Generals have always had to constantly maintain a state of barely having enough.

Officers always had to oversee a bunch of retards, and foot-soldiers always had to do the worst jobs imaginable.

There is no honour in killing, but sometimes someone decides that it needs to be done.

>>579734

>There is no honour in killing

t. Trudeau’s diplomat to Germany

https://augengeradeaus.net/2018/07/fuers-archiv-marine-ohne-tanker/

German navy without a tanker

Two of five German refueling ships ("Röhn" and "Spessart") have been pulled from service due to maintenance problems with the main engines. This means that the Germany navy can no longer participate in any NATO maritime operations, because the three remaining ships are working in the Mediterranean sea and can not be redeployed, as the navy stated.

Both ships were built in 1974, which makes them 44 years old. The navy has stated that they want to keep them operational until they are 50 years old (until 2024).

These vessels also have a bunch of other problems. For one they are operated by civilians, because the navy is lacking personnel. Secondly they are single hull tankers, which means that they are not allowed to enter many harbors across the world out of fear of oil spills.

Extra article: https://augengeradeaus.net/2018/05/bundeswehr-starts-collecting-winter-gear-for-natos-vjtf-dude-we-need-your-balaclava/