52c7c3 No.575424
A thread dedicated for anything and everything that is not a "normal" army, from the SS to Hezbollah.
52c7c3 No.575425
To begin with, what do you think of Iran's revolutionary guard? They seem to be incredibly goofy, but their duties kind of justify their existence for a would-be regional power in the Middle East, because it exists for non-conventional warfare.
6331a2 No.575428
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None state aligned forces or fourth generation fighters are the future of warfare due to the US spreading Anglo puritan ideals and destroying the concept of the traditional nation state.
d747ce No.575429
Do non-regular or so called "active" reservist units/formations count? If so, then picture might be related and I might be able to answer questions.
6331a2 No.575430
>>575425
They exist to make sure the US can't do to Iran what was done to Libya. You need fourth gen fighters to squash western funded rebellions or you get ghadaffied quickly or at best have a prolonged civil war like Syria.
6331a2 No.575431
d747ce No.575434
>>575431
Basically national guard or hezbollah. Except without the whole allah thing and cool shit like ATGM's.
52c7c3 No.575438
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>>575429
Well, I'd certainly say that the Volksturm fits the thread, as it was literally the NSDAP giving firearm looking garbage to kids and old men. In the same vein we can speak about other reservist forces too, as they often have second line duties. Actually, we could even discuss the gendarmerie.
Now, what is the name of this organization? Is it part of the regular army, or is it completely independent? Would it be mixed with army formations during war, or would they officially transfer members to the army for that? What are the secondary duties? To begin with, what's the name of this thing?
40ae12 No.575447
>1941
>be part of an exiled and purged community on the outskirts of Kursk
>ardent anti-communists once the war starts
>form a self defence unit to protect community from partisans
>eventually gain autonomy from Himmler
>propose a plan for Russians to play a role in the anti-communist war (along with like 20 other Russian SS organizations)
>thus was the birth of RONA, 8000 men strong
>1944
>RONA takes part in Operation Citadel
>Kursk and surroundings are lost, along with their homes
>Having lost their land and the prospect of a victory, the men of RONA lose morale
>Partisans try to convince RONA troops to assassinate their leader
>Officers crack down by executing conspirators and hanging them in front of the HQ
>Do dirty work here and there, anti-partisan action
>Ordered to crackdown on the Warsaw uprising
>most men had not seen large buildings before or city streets
>1600 men, along with 7 artillery and 4 mortars against 300 lightly equiped Polish
>late to battle because too busy looting buildings
>ordered to attack a Polish resistance stronghold
>RONA only manages to advance 300m and leave behind nothing but pillaged houses, dead civilians, and raped women while achieving very little of strategic value
>Ordered to be disbanded by an SS higher up due to them being disorderly and barbaric, exacerbated by the fact that one of them raped a BDM member
>leaders of RONA condemned to the firing squad
And that's the story of RONA, the Russian National Liberation Army, or Kaminski's Brigade. Pretty interesting story tbh, and tragic too.
ff43fe No.575449
>>575447
What's the deal with Russians are rape? Is it just the influence of tartars and Mongolians or were they always like this? Where ever they go to war they rape everyone even other Russians.
4dec15 No.575577
A year ago Poland created Territorial Defense Forces. It's their fifth military branch designed to "operate in hybrid warfare". Unlike Reserves which are meant to be integrated into regular military forces in times of war, TDFs are supposed to operate locally and fight against enemy's reconnaissance and sabotage units, fight as guerillas behind enemy lines, protect strategically important locations and support conventional armed forces, intelligence gathering, sabotage as well as crisis management during natural disasters. They're still being formed with estimated size of 50 thousands by 2022
f9b919 No.575583
>>575447
von Pannwitz is another interesting one.
>Veteran of WW1
>Takes part in many Freikorp actions after the first world war leading him to being exiled in poland until a general amnesty comes about
>Rejoins the army and proceeds to stomp communist ass hard enough for a Knights cross
>Don Cossacks realize the Germans are far better folk than Bolsheviks and completely abandon the Red Army
>Pannwitz likes these Cossack folk and gets to organize them for anti-partizan duties.
>Proceeds to remove reds in Ukraine/Belarus until sent to the balkans
>Continues on smashing partizans until the end of the war
>Cossacks honor Pannwitz with a title reserved for the Tsar alone
>War ends, cossacks sent back to the bolsheviks where they were executed alongside Pannwitz
d747ce No.575600
>>575438
>>575577
Yeah, maakuntajoukot is basically like Polish territorial troops. Except ours is not a separate branch but works under navy, army or possibly even airforce, and we don't do guerrilla stuff. However I completely suspect that these formations of territorial troops are just going to be adhoc "do it all"-sort of troops practically. After all, once x percentage of navy's vessels have been sunk, what point is there in wasting reservist that are better trained than most other reservist in guarding some naval ammunition depo in bumfuck middle of nowhere?
As to how that whole thing is supposed to work organization wise, after the shit has hit the fan and I have no clue. From what I have gathered it's either probably going to be "who screams loudest gets the whole lot" type of thing or "let's gather all the redundant territorials to one big unit and see what happens".
>>575583
Wasn't this the guy who surrendered to brits with his whole unit, and the brits, being the eternal anglos they are, sent the unit back to bolsheviks to be killed?
ea12a5 No.575610
>>575600
Him and countless others, the allies wanted Stalin happy, so they forced them at gunpoint then had the train go over the crest, which immediately lit up with machinegun and cannon fire, then they sent the next one.
eab5f8 No.575611
UPA lasted until the mid 60's and in total killed more reds than the Afghan War.
>>575600
It's highly likely it was the Americans who agreed (and proceeded to get British troops to do it) to it as Churchill wanted to continue the war until the Allies hit Moscow.
Churchill was a cunt but I don't think he was that much of a cunt, as he allowed a bunch of Ukrainian SS to live in Britain after the war (including my grandfather).
the entire Yalta Conference was utter shit, never make deals with Communists
33940a No.575617
>>575611
>as he allowed a bunch of Ukrainian SS to live in Britain after the war (including my grandfather)
Greetings, побратиме. I'm glad for your grandpa, even if he would've been no warrior and stayed here there would be still a huge probability for you to never be born. Two of my uncles being little boys died of pneumonia during the post-war commie mass deportations, just daily reminder to never ever trust neither russcucks nor commies.
eab5f8 No.575619
>>575617
Thanks Ukrainebro
c19937 No.575622
>>575577 checking those two pairs
They also answer directly to the MOD (Antoni Macierewicz at the time) which unfortunately was replaced with a more kosher approved one.
They use "muh russians" as recruitment drive ad but their structure is an answer to a german/CIA funded Wołyń 2: hohol boogaloo
>tfw there was a talk of government program of a Shooting range in every powiat (like county by burger units) where government would give you a grant to set up your own range that meets the requirements.
Unfortunately everything went to shit and ground is slipping from under PiS' feet so they look for help in jew arms.
or rather try to secure themselves positions as loyal shabbos goyim when ZOG does an official takeover while selling the general public "we tried™"
7abe0d No.575624
>>575617
>just daily reminder to never ever trust neither russcucks
Is there actually any difference between Eastern Slavs?
33940a No.575629
>>575624
I'd definitely say there's even a noticeable difference between Slavs from different cities not so far away from each other, not to mention different nations. For example, polls show 77% or us hate Stalin contrary to 21% in russcuckistan. Sage for offtopic.
fe1852 No.575630
>>575624
There are three types of Slavs: The Kievan Rus (Russia, Belarus, Ukraine) and Russian culture is so vast and monolithic that they can be considered their own entity instead of east Euro, the standard Slavs like Serbs and Bulgars and Hungarians, and the "please let us be westerners" such as Czechs and Croatians.
579bb9 No.575631
>>575630
>Magyars: Now with Slav Flavour!
>>575629
Bydlo are bydlo in every country, hohlanon. Our bydlo thinks of Stalin as some sort of good old days sugardaddy, from when Russia was the biggest and grass was the greenest.
0e9d7a No.575632
>>575630
>the standard Slavs like Serbs and Bulgars and Hungarians
>Implying that Hungarians are slavs
Anon I thought they are uralic.
cd138d No.575637
>>575632
But Uralic people are slavs too. Shit, all the enhtinicties that are white on east side of Urals are slavs.
There are at least 5 big branches of slavs, and tens or currently remaining dfferent kinds of slavs.
d28fcd No.575683
>>575637
>but Uralic people are slavs too
They're not though, they're not even Aryan/Indo-European
We're literally closer related to Persians and poos than we are Finns, kek.
1a25b1 No.575684
>>575617
>russcucks nor commies
Reminder that Lenin was a Jew and that none of the General Secretaries of the USSR were Russian besides Gorbachev, and he was the one who ended it.
38de5b No.575694
>>575684
Malenkov and Khrushchev were typical russians. Brezhnev was some weird fuck, you can consider his parents either an assimilated Ukrainians with russificated surnames (russian empire and ussr did practice that) or ethnic russians living in Ukrainian soviet socialistic republic, this way or another the one can call him russian. Lenin was a mongrely mix of different nations, constantly buttmad about own Asian eyes and cock. You cannot tell anything certain about Andropov, officially he was russian. Gorbachov's mother was Ukrainian and his wife's second name was Tytarenko which is Ukrainian as well, but all this info isn't the point. You are falling for the maymay that gommunism was invented by ZOG to enslave naturally free and capitalistic spirit of the russian people. That is what some conservatives unironically believe, and that makes almost all actual Eastern Slavs laugh to tears. Take any russian history textbook and you'll see it's as anti-capitalistic as it gets. That god-forsaken frozen swamp has always been incredibly centralized, bureaucratized, corrupt, anti-individualistic, deceitful, inefficient, undemocratic and violent - in one word, socialistic. Usual sage for offtopic.
fe1852 No.575727
>>575694
Are you Aryan or Turkic.
>Brezhnev
He was always an incongruence to me, out of the big 5 no one talks about him and seems to have done nothing significant except stagnate growth somehow.
e471a5 No.575878
I understand that the SS grew out to be some kind of a "nobility" of the NSDAP, and at first the Waffen SS was their own special club to play soldiers, but are there any sources on how they were supplied and equipped on the field? Could they request food, ammo and fuel from the Wehrmacht, or did they really had to rely on a complete separate suppy chain even for the most basic items?
Also, did the SS buy them their tanks and whatnot from German factories even in later of the war, or did the Wehrmacht issued them Tigers and Panthers out of necessity? Because the former sounds quite scary.
>>575632
Indeed, calling us Slavs is worse than calling the French Germanic. Genetically we are close to our neighbours, and that's to be expected after more than 1100 bloody years. But Slavs are Slavs because of their culture, and so we certainly aren't Slavs.
>>575637
>all the enhtinicties that are white on east side of Urals are slavs
Because the Turks and Mongols thinned the ranks of all other ethnicities quite a lot, then Russia conquered the Eurasian steppes and started settling the area. Also, all the Uralic peoples whom you'd call huwite are on this side of the Urals.
1a25b1 No.575916
>>575694
> to enslave naturally free and capitalistic spirit of the russian people.
I wouldn't go as far as to say they were "naturally free and capitalistic." Certainly not as much as more Western nations, because Russia didn't have the intellectual pedigree of Aristotle, Cicero, the Salamanca School, Locke, and so forth to work with. However, late Tsarist Russia was becoming increasingly free-market prior to the Bolsheviks taking over. Also, not strictly speaking relevant to its historical leanings, but Russia's libertarian movement is firmly Hoppe-style, covenant ancapism, contrasted with the dudeweed (((moderate))) cuckery of the LP.
https://mises.org/wire/how-communism-survived-thanks-capitalist-technology
c62e8b No.575944
>>575916
The communist purged farmers who bought their way out of serfdom by saving up.
The farmers were better as serfs than as communist citizens.
fa54fe No.575984
>>575878
Huns settles in the Hungari plains, because it reminded them of the grasslands of home. When Huns got too big for their britches their Germanic allies rebelled and snuffed them out. You are a descendant of those Slavs and Germanics who were the closest to Huns before their destruction, you speak a language based on theirs, and have some of their genetics. Huns were similar in genetics to proto-Slavs. Your language was further modified by contact with Avars, who were more asiatic than Huns/Slavs. In essence though you arent that different, only your culture.
>>575624
Slavs are a collection of thousands of small tribes, that used to conglomerate into about fifty nationalities in time of war and the time of migration for safety. Since the fall of the Roman empire they absorbed Byzantine culture, which prevented the Slavs from fragmenting into basic constituents, and we are thus stuck with the dozen or two Slav states we have today.
There is a Persian prophecy that says when all the Slavs unite under a single banner and faith, it will be the end of the world. It could be true, there are 500 million of them in the world. More than the English, German, Spanish and French speaking world put together.
Slavs started out as Sumerian refugees travelling north to escape Akkadian (Jew/Arab) attacks. They made their home among barbarians the Greeks called Scythians, and later evolved into Huns and other Slavs.
>>575916
Uh actually Russia was heavily influenced by Byzantines, who were a mixture of Greek, Slav and Persian. They had access to the classics for longer than the West.
The reason why the West went more individualistic is because of later philosophers, influenced by Catholic/Protestant belief of "made in imge of god", ergo every man should have the same rights. This is actually a misreading of the bible, but a happy enough accident since it does work to an extent.
1a25b1 No.575985
>>575984
>Slavs started out as Sumerian refugees travelling north to escape Akkadian (Jew/Arab) attacks. They made their home among barbarians the Greeks called Scythians, and later evolved into Huns and other Slavs.
Isn't there some Scandinavian blood mixed in there as well, from when the Varangians controlled Novgorod?
>They had access to the classics for longer than the West
The School of Salamanca and John Locke aren't exactly classics, and they were much more influential in the idea of natural rights and individualism than their predecessors, but you have a point with the others.
f9b919 No.576001
>>575878
Early SS used non-standard equipment, as in they were considered second-line soldiers. Many of them used Vz-24's and ZB-30's nabbed out of Brno. Later on they were in contest for the best stuff with the Heer, i.e they'd become some elite-tier units fanaticism is a great thing innit?. Most of their supplies came from high command, the rest of their stuff was their own, i.e SS camo and SS patterned feldbluse they did use/steal Heer patterned uniforms due to obvious shortages. They were for under control by the OKW, minus some units which Himmler had total control over.
>SS grew out to be some kind of a "nobility" of the NSDAP
No. The SS were just Hitlers bodyguards, the Waffen-SS were the armed wing of that organization. in regards to the nobility part the Heer fucking hated the SS because many of the officers were of common non Prussian birth. Dietrich is a prime example of that. To back how the OKW felt about non-Prussians ever further, despite being part of the Heer and a highly decorated WW1 vet Rommel was shit on by most of the high command due to him being of common swabian birth. Now that I look at it the Heer didn't like anyone who wasn't a Prussian Junker.
fa54fe No.576008
>>575985
Yeah the varangians were foundational elements of Russian society, and a lot more mixture than that is true for other Slavic groups. Like I said they just started off Sumerian, there were maybe a few hundred surviving refugees who brought civilization into camps of hundreds of thousands people of the Pontic steppe. Who then engaged in river trade, raids and interbreeding with the North European types. The first larger grouping of Slav tribes was likely the Cimmerians, who banded together to raid the ancient world as far as Phrygia.
What survives of Cimmerians are a few mentions, like the names of their warlords, which show ties to Marduk the Summerian god. The location and culture of Cimmerians seems to be tied closely to Scythians, and to modern Slavs.
e471a5 No.576040
>>576001
So later on they only did their own recruitment, and the equipment mostly came from the Heer, I see.
>No. The SS were just Hitlers bodyguards, the Waffen-SS were the armed wing of that organization.
Do you think I used those quotation marks only because I like to randomly put them around a word for no reason whatsoever? No. The SS was a much greater organization than what you were describing, it had three branches to begin with:
>SS-Verfügungstruppe
Hitler's bodyguard, the later core of the Waffen SS.
>Allgemeine SS
"General SS", an organization with tens of thousands of members, with their own HQ organization. In practice it was an additional tier for members of the Nazi party, because most of the members were pretty much what we'd call activists of a party today. This is the main reason why I referred to them as "nobility", strictly in quotation marks, because members of the SS were looked upon favourably by the establishment.
>SS-Totenkopfverbände
They run the concentration camps.
In addition to all of this, most members of the various police forces were also members of the SS, and during ww2 the police and the SS were different organizations only on paper.
>>575984
>You are a descendant of those Slavs and Germanics who were the closest to Huns before their destruction, you speak a language based on theirs, and have some of their genetics.
I don't know what kind of a historical sci-fi you were reading, but that certainly wasn't an up-to-date history book that took into acount the newest archeologic and linguistic findings. No, Hungarian is not related to Hunnic. and there is no evidence for a significant amount of population living in this area after the fall of the Avars and the Hungarian conquest.
>In essence though you arent that different, only your culture.
Must I repeat myself ad nauseam? Take away the culture and language of a group of Slavs, and they stop being Slavic, because that's what makes them Slavic. Yes, over the centuries we did intermix with neighbouring people, but it was never such an en mass event that it led to the loss of our culture and language. If that wasn't the case then we'd be indeed Slavic, just like how Bulgaria became Slavic, even though the original Bulgars were Turk nomads from the steppes. Here is the trick: in our case a bunch of Turks brought so many Ugors with them that they too became Ugric. The whole thing about Attila and Huns is because Western Europeans couldn't tell apart nomadic peoples, and because it was good propaganda for the Árpád dynasty to claim to be descendants of the Huns.
571578 No.576048
>>575916
>However, late Tsarist Russia was becoming increasingly free-market
Depends of what do you consider free market, but it was still crap. During Nicholas I number of bureaucrats increased in SIX times since he's been turning bureaucrats into the pillar of his crumbling power, and it's not like there was less revolutionary tendencies under Nicholas II. You may imagine how corrupt and inefficient those bureaucrats were. Data shows that only 34% (!) of an empire's major businessmen were ethnically russian, while, for example, empire-born Germans were 25% and that without mentioning of the foreign German investors. So no wonder ethnic russians supported commies in desire of seizing their property. City of Donetsk was first called Yuzivka as it was founded by British businessman John Hughes, that's a typical story because 90+ percent of investments in that-day Donbas were from Western Europe. Education was so nonexistent only 1/3 of people could read, and yes, fair share of them weren't ethnically russian. "Prosperous" empire maymay in being cultivated by modern russian stormfags like pic related, they are simply buttmad about the fact their frozen swamp is shit now, was shit during commies and was shit before the commies.
fa54fe No.576054
>>576040
>I don't know what kind of a historical sci-fi you were reading
Not one published by the Ancient Aliens university of Hungary, likely.
>Take away the culture and language of a group of Slavs, and they stop being Slavic, because that's what makes them Slavic.
Are you implying Slavs don't have genetic similarities??
>even though the original Bulgars were Turk nomads from the steppes
Hahahahahaa fucking lol!
1e3868 No.576057
>>576054
>Not one published by the Ancient Aliens university of Hungary,
You mean the MTA, the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, the most important scientific organization of Hungary? Because I'm referring to research accepted by them.
>Are you implying Slavs don't have genetic similarities??
I'm not implying anything, I'm merely repeating that the recipe of vodka and the proper form of squatting aren't written to the genes of gopniks. Similarly, take away a Slav child from his parents, put him in a genetically similar but culturally different family, and you won't be able to tell the difference. How hard is it to understand that?
>Hahahahahaa fucking lol!
You are right, they are actually migrants from Atlantian Hyperborea, as attested by antediluvian receipts from Niburu! Although historical research suggets something else:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians#Ethnogenesis
fa54fe No.576058
>>576057
>the recipe of vodka and the proper form of squatting aren't written to the genes of gopniks
>take away a Slav child from his parents, put him in a genetically similar but culturally different family, and you won't be able to tell the difference
Yeah, you're clearly uninformed.
By the way the thing I was laughing at was your using "Turk" to describe asiatic steppe people. Turks are a mixture of 60% persians, 39% greek, and 1% asiatic steppe nomads. The word you SHOULD have used is Altaic if you were educated in any respectable institution, which even that is just a language group. I'm done laughing, this is just sad now.
1e3868 No.576062
>>576058
>you're clearly uninformed.
Unlike someone who spreads ancient ayyliens-tier "theories".
>The word you SHOULD have used is Altaic if you were educated in any respectable institution
Did you know that different languages are different? In Hungarian we use török for the people of Ottoman Turkey and türk for the steppe nomads related to Mongolians. It's not my fault that in English "Turk" can mean both of them. Will you now start going on about how they are actually dwarves who were living in the shadows of the wall Alexander the Great built to keep Gog and Magog outside of Europe?
fa54fe No.576073
>>576062
>Unlike someone who spreads ancient ayyliens-tier "theories".
…. that's what I said here >>576054
>Not one published by the Ancient Aliens university of Hungary, likely.
Nigger think up your own insults.
7abe0d No.576075
>>576062
>>576073
All Nostratic languages are most likely mongolshit.
I firmly believe in pre-historic White supercultures but by geographic distribution it seems more likely that a Basque/Georgian/Sumerian complex was the original White/"Atlantean" language instead of the fingol+indoeuropean clade with its close affinity to "altaic", tungusic and koreanippon mong-tongs.
1e3868 No.576076
>>576073
That's not an argument. Give me your definition of Slav, and also define what makes a person or nation Slavic.
7abe0d No.576078
>>576076
>Give me your definition of Slav
A non-muslim person of eastern European and natural slavophone ancestry.
fa54fe No.576090
>>576076
>That's not an argument.
No shit sherlock, it's an insult. You insulted me, I told you to be original, neither of those things is an argument.
> Give me your definition of Slav,
I literally gave you an image of a genetic map of europe that defines the clustering of Slavs, showing Hungarians closer to Slavs than even the Balts are.
What the fuck else could you possibly want.
1e3868 No.576093
>>576090
>No shit sherlock, it's an insult
A kurva anyádat then. I'm arguing against the idiocy that we Hungarians are Slavs here. What are you doing?
>What the fuck else could you possibly want.
A definiton of the word "Slav", sometning like >>576075
Because "an image of a genetic map of europe that defines the clustering of Slavs, showing Hungarians closer to Slavs than even the Balts are" doesn't define what makes a Slav. Also, that map doesn't define anything, it merely shows data.
1e3868 No.576094
>>576093
>sometning like
Meant to quote >>576078 obviously.
fa54fe No.576096
>>576093
>the idiocy that we Hungarians are Slavs
And I'm saying your only difference is language, which is the CORRECT STATEMENT.
6d709c No.576100
>>576096
but your own graph shows that Hungarians are as distant from the average center of west and east slavs as germans are from czechs. you cant compare a single average datapoint with the closest datapoint in a suite of multiple samples.
>comment section
return.
fa54fe No.576106
>>576100
Are we looking at the same picture? Hungarians are basically a mix of south, east and west slavs. Which makes sense given their position.
f9b919 No.576111
>>576040
Oh no, they did their own recruitment throughout the war including the foreign legions. Almost all of it was volunteer aside from some draft allocation the OKW did in the early days, unlike the Heer which did draw manpower from mass drafting.
>SS-VT
Armed trooped formed for Hitler that were not part of the Police or Army. They were soldiers that did what the old uncle asked, not his personal bodyguard given they did take part in actions from Czechoslovakia to France before becoming the Waffen SS. Everything else is spot on when the organization became a big part of the political apparatus, where as when Himmler originally got power they were solely bodyguards and in dire straits in comparison to the SA. Man did that weird looking fucker turn that organization into something impressive and he took a wage that was essentially minimum
de670b No.576113
>>576106
again, that circle isnt showing an average position. you're just making a circle that fits all outliers and claiming that it's one population, it doesn't make sense. by your own logic (if you had drawn the purple circle properly) then swedes and krauts would appear to be west slavic outliers. you need to find the single average point (the size of one shown sample) which equates to the middlemost point between all samples of a selected group and then compare how close hungarians are to it in relation to how close others are. even your own method shows hungarians are related as little as possible to any one group while still being related. based on this graph, i cant see how different slavic groups can be distinct, but hungarians cannot. either interpretation is not really good enough though since on that graph hungary has a sample size of 1.
186d4d No.576148
>>575449
>implying germans never engaged in that sort of activity in a similar fashion
0ef649 No.576192
>>575630
Hungarians are unironically as Asian as Finns and Serbs are a Slav/Turk mix
0ef649 No.576198
>>575916
Russia had plenty of ties to the western world as well as Byzantium, so I don't know what you're talking about. I think if there's one argument in favor of saying that Russians weren't naturally free, it's that the Tsars would have people beheaded for smoking tobacco, but that's about it.
0ef649 No.576201
>>575694
I mean, regardless of whether or not ZOG created gommunism, they certainly used communism and capitalism as a means of destroying traditional monarchies, feudal societies, and culture. It's kind of hard to make a living when Jews suck you dry either as politicians or businessmen.
9e7017 No.576209
>>576148
During the occupation here were lots of reported German atrocities due to their spergouts but rape wasn't among them.
I think the latest credible instance of Germans raping people was at the sacking of Rome.
6ab409 No.576248
>interesting thread pops up
>gets derailed by anons arguing over Slavs
cae4f0 No.576250
>>576113
>swedes and krauts would appear to be west slavic outliers.
They are genetic cousins. But if I place a circle over Swedes, it sure as fuck doesn't cover Hungarians.
>i cant see how different slavic groups can be distinct,
They aren't. All slavic groups are the same population, they only have distance between them due to intermixing with locals, which is what happened to West Slavs and Krauts…
>>576248
Well it is by far the most interesting topic, they're over 1/2 of all whites by population size.
4d87be No.576259
>>576250
>They aren't. All slavic groups are the same population, they only have distance between them due to intermixing with locals, which is what happened to West Slavs and Krauts…
>Germans are just a Slavic population with Nordic/Celtic admixture
cae4f0 No.576286
>>576259
I don't know how, but you took that the exact opposite way that I meant it. West slavs are slavs which had kraut admixture, it's not the other way around…
5ad7a3 No.576295
>>576209
>>576148
Going to agree with the Greek Germans don't seem partial to rape and very few nations outside of Africa are as pro rape as Russia.
04057d No.576302
>>576295
Its more the mongoloids from the far east that like to do the raping and Ukrainians. The latter really have a thing for dicking polaks forcefully and their own for whatever reason.
cae4f0 No.576349
>>576295
Russians employed a lot of asians in their armies, it was a good way to genocide them by sending all their men to the front line, which resulted in military grade rape machines. Same as America did with Negroes in WWII, recruiting a ton of them from ghettoes and sending them to be meat shields in Europe…. negermischlinge sure as shit wasn't done by Ivan. But even so both Russians and Americans are still lagging behind in rape magnitude from other European colonial countries of the time, because a fucktonne of mulattoes in every colonized country didn't come from nowhere. Same holds for Japan, east Asia, India, South America, Central America, all of the Muslim world, and America. In the [current year] Russia is likely the country with least real rape in Europe, I at least never heard of mass rape gangs raping thousands of little girls in Russia, whereas this seems to be a common thing in UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Italy…. that's the cost of demographic changes, and the European countries aren't anywhere close to the level of multiculturalism of Russia or America, you can only imagine the horror that will happen when Pakis are 30-40% of the UK. Also given how some countries are falsely accused of "genocidal rape" like in Yugoslavia, there is also a lot of doubt that any claim of rape in war is a real one and not just some woman deciding to fuck an invading soldier for her benefit.
f11a3b No.576369
>>576286
>I don't know how, but you took that the exact opposite way that I meant it.
Because you said “and krauts” instead of “because of” or “from krauts.” Learn to Engrish.
314a53 No.579401
436914 No.579418
I don't see anyone ever talking about our militias. Is there a list of active militias somewhere? Their leaders/rank system?
436914 No.579419
>>579418
>our militias
ACK ACK!? ACK, ACK ACK!
I'm American
e94431 No.579444
>>576349
So if Russians or mudslimes rape Russian women, it's not real rape?
Interesting.
834d98 No.579484
>>579418
First day on the job ATF?
ff7e34 No.579494
>>579418
I am part of a pretty large militia myself though we are too secretive for meetings. It is called all able bodied men age 17-45 and the very idea of these guys being armed scares the piss out of .40 S&W carrying weaklings. Some rough dudes, a lot of them ex military.
7c187c No.579506
>>575447
Operation Citadel was in 1943.
3aaa8c No.579511
>>575428
This guy is obviously a student of Carl Schmitt, who predicted the crisis of "4th gen warfare" almost 100 years ago which, as the video says, is just a symptom of the state's collapse. This book in particular directly addresses that collapse.
What is the solution? Totalizing the State, that's what Putin has done. 4th gen warfare means a subversive kike professor brainwashing your upcoming citizenry is far more deadly an enemy than an official soldier of the Russian army. Therefore you round up such professors and execute them.
The trouble is that the rot has gone so far that formerly traditional elements of society are now in the role of state subversion because, as the guy says, the subversive kikes now control the state.
99b9c1 No.579567
>>579511
basically we are returning to the Ancient world where ethnic/racial/religious cleansing was the status quo. However, we have modern technology. Therefore, if the state is to survive, which is to say if any semblance of the world as it now is will survive, then the state must openly accept such a reality or be shred to smithereens by all the competing identity-groups, or mini-state substitutes.
>>575428
thanks again for posting such kino
99b9c1 No.579568
>>579567
"opening accepting such a reality" means that the State must decide who the enemy is politically, and that means basically "discrimination," total exclusion of the Other.
3905df No.579569
>>579511
I really don't think you grasp the nature of the crisis. Yes the liberal arts professor preaching is dumb bullshit is part of it but not all of it. All European states including Russia are currently undergoing a crisis of legitimacy due to a lack of ethnic religious and cultural solidarity. You cant be le 56% and have people give a shit about your country, when they dont care about the country they shift loyalties to things they do care about. Russia is a cluster fuck of 4th gen fighters, islamists, communists nationalist separatists Chechen warlords monarchists you name it.
3905df No.579570
>>576349
>less rape in Russia
Russia has a rate of violent crime and rape that western Europe hasn't had since the middle ages even now with the refugees. Russiaboo pls.
436914 No.579709
>>579570
Is this a joke? European countries are at African levels of violent crime and rape. This is despite their governments actively cooking statistics to make it seem otherwise.
Their crime stats have to be LEAKED to be publicly known, they don't publish them.
https://needtoknow.news/2017/12/sweden-leaked-crime-statistics-show-82-gang-rapes-migrants/?print=print
Russia and China are right now more free, more peaceful, more civilized and more capitalist than any western country, period. You believing this to be wrong is just proof positive that media control of public opinion still works.
d24d9d No.579710
d24d9d No.579711
>>579570
>Russia has a rate of violent crime and rape that western Europe hasn't had since the middle ages
You mean among the White part of the population? Very likely.
>even now with the refugees
I really fucking doubt that.
1ea433 No.579735
>>579709
well you do have to take into account the fact that many African countries are borderline lawless, so the percentage of unreported crimes is much, much higher. While it's true that flooding Europe has made the crime rates skyrocket, saying it's Africa-level would be a lie and thus make your argument look like a lie.
>>579569
Well the fact that a tribe of foreigners with connections all over the world is in charge of your "state", supranational organizations are imposing regulations and flooding it with immigrants in direct contradiction to the national interest and people's wishes is a pretty clear indication of the collapse of traditional state authority, don't you think?
436914 No.579744
>>579735
>percentage of unreported crimes
And what percentage of unreported crimes exists in Europe? Sweden does this as a point of regularity, although they're mostly cooking up propaganda to prevent people from associating the crime with niggers. German police were ORDERED BY GOVERNMENT to suppress reports of gang rapes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/german-minister-told-police-to-remove-the-word-rape-from-cologne/
Police in the UK are worse than Germany and Sweden combined.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/586938/West-Midlands-Police-held-back-report-into-Muslim-grooming-gangs-over-racial-tension-fears
They seem to have done as much as Germany on a far larger scale, going so far as to arrest fathers who tried to stop the rape of their daughters.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/239615/uk-police-arrested-parents-trying-stop-muslims-daniel-greenfield
So far I know of three towns (newcastle, telford, rotherham) in UK which have had over 1000 girls raped, these events being exposed by accident and leak suggests the same thing is happening in every town in the UK. That is potentially over 2 million raped women and children, which police is actively supporting.
I'm sorry but this shit is hard to find outside of Africa.
1b7f12 No.579763
>>576248
Both topics are interesting. Knowledge is beautiful.
1b7f12 No.579764
>>579418
>that 3% militia member pic
Well now I understand why militias use surplus camo. This guy looks like the ones on this pics.
56a701 No.579781
>>579709
>>579711
Russia has one of the highest rates of migration in the world and more Muslims then any other European country.
>more free then the west
Russia either kills or imprisoned it's political dissenters and this website is banned in Russia.
99b9c1 No.579783
>>579569
>due to lack of ethnic religious and cultural solidarity
and how the hell do you think that happened, asshole? By giving subversives the right to speech, allowing them to infiltrate your institutions, and then legislating against you.
I agree but you need to also understand *how* that happened.
894264 No.579837
>>579503
>>575447
This is pure disinformation, Operation itadel was in 1943 and the RLA operated until the end of the war.
894264 No.579838
70cb85 No.579839
>>579837
Fairly sure he just made a mistake due to the Warsaw uprising happening in '44, RONA and RLA/ROA were two different paramilitary groups and RONA was disbanded after Warsaw.
also have a colour version of that RONA picture
436914 No.579872
>>579781
>Russia has one of the highest rates of migration in the world
My 2017 numbers it's 52nd in the world according to CIA: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2112rank.html
In the 90s its true they had high migration rates, but this was due to Russians returning from former SSR like Poland, Ukraine, etc where they weren't welcome anymore.
>more Muslims then any other European country
Russia has 6% Muslims according to the 2010 census which is the latest census since USSR fell apart
These are the sixth or seventh retarded claims I've debunked in this thread, where are you guys coming up with this shit.
>Russia either kills or imprisoned it's political dissenters
It kills or imprisons spies and NGOs that take foreign funds.
>this website is banned in Russia.
The fuck does this have to do with rape and migration? This is what clutching for straws looks like.
56a701 No.579928
>>579839
Another survey by the Pew Research Center, in May 2017, found that 10% of Russia's population is Muslim.[6] According to a news article of Russia Today, Muslim minorities make up approximately 15% of the total population of Russia
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-the-worlds-second-largest-immigration-haven-11053
According to UN Population Division estimates, as of 2013, the Russian Federation was second only to the United States in the sheer number of immigrants.
Everything you said was just talking out your ads. I have never encounter a Russiaboo who isn't a complete piece of shit liar.
56a701 No.579929
7a48a5 No.581218
I take you are familiar with the SA as the GAY COMMUNITY's arm in the Nazi party's ass. But did you know that the organization still existed after the Night of the Long Knives? They even had their own equivalent of the Waffen SS in the form of a single unit called Feldherrnhalle, named after a monument where some SA members were killed during the Beer Hall Putsch.
http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations/188-germany-political-organizations/sa/4965-sa-standarte-feldherrnhalle
http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations/150-germany-heer/heer-divisionen/4142-panzergrenadier-division-feldherrnhalle
461952 No.581220
>>581218
Huh, interdasting
Kikipedia says they were part of the Heer in the regular Wehrmacht, were they? Or were they kind of independent like the Waffen SS?
7a48a5 No.581226
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>581220
From the first link:
>It was one of the units that entered Austria in March 1938 and it was placed under the control of the Wehrmacht in September 1938.
>In February 1939 most of it was transferred to the Luftwaffe (where it was incorporated into the fallschirmjäger-units) and another part of it was made a part of Infanterie-Regiment 271 of 93. Infanterie-Division but it continued to exist as an SA unit during the war on a smaller scale
If I had to make an educated guess based on the available information, I'd say that Lutze (the successor of Röhm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Lutze ) was in no position to be autistic about independence, so the SA just gathered the men and gave them to the Wehrmacht to do as they want, and they only received some special privileges. From the two links in my previous post:
>According to an order issued in June 1937 former members of this unit could get permission to wear a special insignia, an oval patch with the Feldherrnhalle emblem on the left forearm of the SA uniform.
>On the left side of the helmet a special image of the Feldherrnhalle was used by the men of this unit.
<The Feldherrnhalle units received the honor title because of the initially high number of volunteers from the SturmAbteilung (SA).
Kikepdia also references other SA paramilitary units, in particular one closely related to the Kriegsmarine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung#Organization
>The SA also had several military training units. The largest was the SA-Marine, which served as an auxiliary to the Kriegsmarine (German Navy) and performed search and rescue operations as well as harbor defense. The SA also had an "army" wing, similar to the Waffen-SS, known as Feldherrnhalle. This formation expanded from regimental size in 1940 to a fully-fledged armored corps (Panzerkorps Feldherrnhalle) in 1945.
Honestly, it's like we stumbled upon a whole bunch of forgotten organizations, or the hipster Waffen SS. And a fun fact: vid related was originally an SA march that was later used by the Volkssturm. It's kind of tragic that both the first and the last Nazi paramilitary organizations used this song, because the words are the same but their meaning are completely different in 1933 and 1945.
ccae60 No.581241
>>581226
Huh, thanks lad, honestly never knew about this before.
Based Magyaranon.
a9bcd4 No.581245
>>579764
as much as its for aesthetic purposes its also functional
b0b0e6 No.581248
>>575617
>russcucks
But your two people are so alike, Little Russia.
118d7e No.581258
>>581248
I thought Belarus was little russia? Or is that slang for UKR and White russia is belarus?
04057d No.581263
>>581258
Belarus is white Russia, in fact that is exactly what it means. Ukraine is little Russia, if you want to piss salo eaters off call Ukraine Malorossiya and them Malorossy.
118d7e No.581295
>>581263
Thanks leaf for being useful
fd1192 No.581305
>>581263
> if you want to piss salo eaters
I fail to see why should this mention bring any new emotions to my heart since we learn this in an early school years, especially given the highly ridiculous etymology of the word "russcuckistan" "russia" itself. Polite sage for offtopic.
1b7f12 No.581706
>>579500
A real man of culture as I can see.
fdc8a7 No.582054
Interestingly enough, one of the heavy tank battalions was also called Feldherrnhalle, and later it was rolled into the Panzer corps of the same name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/503rd_Heavy_Panzer_Battalion
But I'm not sure in the timeline, and maybe it was named Feldherrnhalle only when it became part of the corps. Still, an SA unit with Tiger Is and IIs sounds quite interesting.
>>581241
Any time, I just hope others will follow my example and start posting such virtually unknown forces. I will do it in a weekly basis for some time, hopefully it will lead to some on topic discussion.
d68926 No.582057
>>579837
>>579506
I made the years correspond with the events at the end of each section; it seems that it made the post confusing, and I apologise.
As for the post by the alien, you're totally incorrect. RONA, or the Kaminski Brigade as it was known by some, was totally separate from Vladslov's RLA until the RONA was disbanded in 1944 and its remnants incorporated into the RLA.
d6a1ed No.582339
It looks like after some searching I can finally put an end to the Feldherrnhalle mystery:
https://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4673
>I have had a bit of a look at the Feldherrnhalle Division's precedents.
>Its roots go back to SA Brigade 6 in Danzig, which was formed in 1935.
>In early 1939 the army suggested that a military formation should be formed in Danzig (which was then not technically part of the Reich) to help join up East Prussia with the main Reich when the attack on Poland started. Army officers were sent in from Germany to command and train the unit, but almost the entire manpower came from SA Brigade 6. To disguise its military nature its units were formally described as Landespolizei or Grenzwacht.
>During the campaign against Poland the formation, known as Brigade Danzig or Eberhardt, attacked the Polish port of Gdynia from the south. It performed poorly and the heavily outnumbered Polish marines it was facing took 42 prisoners off it in the first clashes and stopped its advance only a couple of kilometres across the border. It only entered Gdynia on 13-14 September 1939 because the German 207th Infantry Division had outflanked the Polish defenders from the north and they had to retreat from the city to avoid being cut off.
>Despite its lacklustre performance, Brigade Eberhardt was expanded into 60th Infantry Division in October. Although it only existed in wartime, it was the last German infantry division to be formed that was meant to be a standing peacetime unit.
>During the French Campaign it helped breach the Maginot line, but its operations were only secondary. Nevertheless, it was upgraded to 60th Motorised Infantry Division immediately afterwards.
>During the Russian Campaign the division was wiped out at Stalingrad. It was resurrected and yet again it was upgraded to become the Feldherrnhalle Panzer Grenadier Division.
>A picture begins to emerge. No matter how poorly it performed, how inconsequential its operational contribution or total its annihilation, the formation was always upgraded.
>There were numerous more effective army formations meriting earlier upgrading, so why was this one so favoured?
>I suspect it was the SA connection. It was the only formation in the entire Wehrmacht that could trace its roots directly to the SA - the Nazi Party's brown-shirted storm troops. It finally got the honorific title "Feldherrnhalle" because that was the name of the building where 18 SA men had been killed during Hitler's attempted coup in Munich on 9 November 1933 - the so-called "Beer Hall Putsch".
>Thus I suspect that it benefitted from similar political patronage to the Waffen-SS.
c39cc4 No.582341
>>581263
Ukraine also means "frontier". It was literally a frontier province of imperial Russia. Ukrainians got most of their land as grants from Russia. There is more than this pic, the green blob was smaller…
c39cc4 No.582343
>>579928
>According to UN Population Division estimates, as of 2013, the Russian Federation was second only to the United States in the sheer number of immigrants.
Read on
>, significantly larger flows of immigrants from the former Soviet Union have been entering Russia for the last twenty years.
Russias "immigrants" are Russians and Russian loyalists from ex Soviet states. Basically places like Estonia, Poland and Hungary had millions of people loyal to Moscow living there, which after fall of USSR had to move back to Russia or else face the same fate as Russians in Ukraine.
The problem is that you're trying to imply that Russian immigrants are nonwhites, which is bullshit. Pew polls don't have the same weight as the Russian census, which says only 6% of the country is Muslim. That's less than some Western states.
d6a1ed No.582349
>>582343
>Russians and Russian loyalists from ex Soviet states
> Poland and Hungary had millions of people loyal to Moscow living there
a94fd4 No.582353
>>582349
i guess he meant the soviet operatives from People's Republic days.
Though they didn't go back to Russia, they weren't even shipped there in bodybags.
Most of them ran away to quietly get survivor bonus in priceless israel, or the more ambitious ones ran to greener pastures to be professional victims.
After all, when you rip innocent people's fingernails off, torture teens or murder patriots in courts, that really hurts you more than them, and you need to flee from antisemtism (^:
04057d No.582354
>>582349
I think hes talking about all client states of the USSR and not just boland and Hungary.
>>582341
Much like serbian krajina.
89ba17 No.582359
>>582341
>>582343
>all that shitposting
Frankly, if you weren't a fucking leaf I'd even answer to those retarded statements but because of the flag everything's clear already.
259ae9 No.582475
>>582349
>>582353
>guy argues with me
>posts article
>article literally says that
>significantly larger flows of immigrants from the former Soviet Union have been entering Russia for the last twenty years
>still get butthurt
Wow.
>>582354
>Serbian Krajina
>Ukraine
Key term is krai which means "end", "edge" or "frontier".
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/krai
>>582359
>muh ancient ukrainians
The fuck out of here.
7a48a5 No.582479
>>582475
The problem is that Hungary and Poland were never part of the USSR, and there are no significant Russian minorities in these two countries. There were soviet soldiers here, but they went home after the fall of the USSR. If you don't even know that and think that every country this side of the iron curtain ended up like the Balts, then you simply have no idea what the hell you are trying to argue about to begin with.
259ae9 No.582481
>>582479
Oh you're getting mad about your little country. Ok just ignore that, pretend it says some other warsaw pact country.
7a48a5 No.582487
>>582481
It's not just Hungary, you have no idea what happened in the last 70 years in half of Europe.
d4eebf No.582524
>>582475
>Key term is krai which means "end", "edge" or "frontier".
"Край" is a root word for dozens of different Slavic words related to land you faggot nigger. It's so common literally a translation for the word "country" to Ukrainian looks like "країна", and "a piece of land" would be "край". All of your another points are equally retarded which is no wonder since you're a fucking leaf. For the love of god, go gas yourself.
ba9f4f No.583653
The Russian Fascist Party and the Asano Detachment
The Russians who fought with Germany were already mentioned, but did you know that there were some similar units in the other side of Eurasia? Even more, there was a Russian Fascist Party operating un Manchuria. I'd rather not copypaste the whole kikepedia article here, but I must mention that they did build a Windmill of Friendship facing the USSR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Fascist_Party
http://www.earthstation1.com/Russian_Fascists_WWII.html
Of course they weren't the only white emigrants in Manchuria, and many of them served in the Kwantung Army of Japan. The biggest of them was the Asano Deatchment, which had a good 4000 men at its peak. They were used for sabotage in the USSR, but they couldn't achieve much as we all know how Japan decided that, instead of fighting the USSR, her navy should get wrecked by the USA. In the end they too were destroyed when the soviets rolled into Manchuria at the end of ww2. Could you make a Russian angry if you mentioned that during their "Great Patriotic War" they had to fight against tzarist Russians on both end of their territories?
http://www.chinaww2.com/2016/09/27/russians-in-the-service-of-the-japanese-emperor/
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=96310
e195ed No.583673
>>582524
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine
>The name "Ukraine" (Ukrainian: Україна Ukrayina [ukrɑˈjinɑ]) derives from the Slavic words "u", meaning "by", and "kraj", meaning "end", "land" or "side". Together, "u+kraji" means "by the side" or more aptly in English, "land on the side". It was first used to define part of the territory of Kievan Rus' in the 12th century. The name has been used in a variety of ways since the twelfth century, referring to numerous lands on the border between Polish and Kievan Rus' territories. In English, the traditional use was "the Ukraine", which is nowadays less common and officially deprecated by the Ukrainian government and many English language media publications.[1][2][3]
>The oldest mention of the word ukraina dates back to the year 1187. In connection with the death of the Volodymyr Hlibovych, the ruler of Principality of Pereyaslavl which was Kiev's southern shield against the Wild Fields, the Hypatian Codex says “ukraina groaned for him”, ѡ нем же оукраина много постона (o nem že ukraina mnogo postona).[4] In the following decades and centuries this term was applied to fortified borderlands of different principalities of Rus' without a specific geographic fixation: Halych-Volhynia, Pskov, Ryazan etc.[5]:183[6]
No amount of historical revisionism will change this.
c791c6 No.584311
The Munkásőrség or Worker's Militia of Hungary. Founded in 1957, the establishment of the Munkásőrség was the result of the realization that in the event of a revolution there needs to be a paramilitary organization that is loyal to the Party. You can't use the army to put down a revolution because most soldiers will either refuse to open fire on civilians or even side with them. You can't use the police either for the same reason. The secret police is also useless against a proper revolution after the levee breaks; opening fire on civilians might kill a few hundred people, but enrage the rest of the population further intensifying the revolution.
Enter the Worker's Militia. Although some units of the Worker's Militia were well-trained units with good leadership, the majority of the organization was a weekend army of uneducated mouthbreathers who were given a lot of communist indoctrination, but were only given ammunition when it was absolutely necessary. By the 1980's, the reputation of the Worker's Militia was so low that some officers didn't even wear their uniform in public.
The anthem of the Munkásőrség was breddy gud though. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhjUZr5fLhw
c791c6 No.584317
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10NC32ychAk
Armament of the Munkásőrség consisted of PPS submachine guns, sidearms, a machine gun for every squad and later the obligatory AMD's. Interestingly, many of the initial members of the Worker's Militia were NOT factory or agricultural workers but rather enthusiastic party officials who wanted to have access to weapons. Discipline in the first days was very poor (it never became too high, even later), there were numerous examples of militiamen being drunk in uniform, threathening people with service weapons in drunken barfights, taking weapons home and such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1KqTAUTwaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk7cJaMCYSE
>"A Militiaman only has one sorrow, he doesn't have two lives, to give one for the party and another to his wife."
f58686 No.584840
>>584311
A bit of autism: munkás means worker, but őrség is a bit more complicated to translate. Őr means guard or watchman, and őrség is the collective body of watchmen. Which can be translated as guard, but it doesn't denote an elite unit. That would be gárda, and the individual guardsman is gárdista. Even the mall cops of a shopping centre would be called the őrség of that place.
Now then, őrség is also used for law enforcement agencies. The police in Hungarian is called rendőrség, and rend means order. Therefore a literal translation would be "guardians of the [public] order". The individual policeman is called rendőr. Gendarmerie is even better, for it is csendőrség, and csend (cs is pronounced as ch) means silence. Yes, the are the "guardians of silence". I suspect the origin of the name is that their old name was zsandár (the zs is pronounced like the "ge" of massage) from gens d'armes, and csendőr sound similar to that.
Based on all of this, munkásőrség is quite a terrible word. They wanted to say with the name that this is some kind of an unit manned by workers. But the name can also mean that they are guarding the workers to make sure they don't step out of line.
>>584317
>the obligatory AMD's
When they were disarmed in the early 90s, some 10 000 of those with more than a million rounds was sold to Croatia in the early stage of the Yugo war. Of course that wasn't enough to win the war or anything like that, but it was a basis of good relationship between Hungary and Croatia from that point onwards.
fbf5ec No.585386
>>584840
>basis of good relationship between Hungary and Croatia from that point onwards
>You swivel around the statue of Jelacic in Zagreb so that it points its sabre towards Belgrade instead of Budapest and we'll celebrate National Defence Day on May 21st instead of September 29, which is the day we sent the aforementioned Jelacic running towards Vienna with his tail between his hind legs. Deal?
>Deal. And you keep sending your tourism shekels towards Rijeka and Dalmatia.
>I concur. Let's fucking drink.
>Uuurgh… …what the fuck is this, this is strong stuff…aaaaaa…my fucking throat.. …It is good to have you back, Hungary.
ff560d No.585388
>>584840
>But the name can also mean that they are guarding the workers to make sure they don't step out of line.
<Interestingly, many of the initial members of the Worker's Militia were NOT factory or agricultural workers but rather enthusiastic party officials who wanted to have access to weapons.
<the majority of the organization was a weekend army of uneducated mouthbreathers who were given a lot of communist indoctrination
Not even remotely surprised tbh.
c791c6 No.585454
>>585388
Fun fact. When the Munkásőrség was disbanded, the Department of Defense wasn't certain that it will fully approve the idea. Military units were deployed to establish a perimeter around various Munkásőr barracks and facilities for the event that enforcing the order and gathering the weapons becomes "complicated". It seemed like a likely scenario that the Munkásőrség might mutiny. This did not happen, but the late 1980's/early 1990's were intense, it had to be considered.
babb06 No.587406
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>579839
And here is a ROA song.
e5594f No.593776
>>593772
>Stormtroopers
This term always infuriates me.
Sturm=Storm/Assault
Stürmer=Stormer/Assaulter
Truppen=Troops
Sturmtruppen = Storm troops/ Assault troops
Trupp = Fireteam
Sturmtrupp = Storm (fire)team/ Assault (fire)team
Ammis use the term "Storm-trooper" to mean "Soldier in an assault (fire)team", which isn't grammatically wrong in English, and makes perfect sense.
What ticks me off is when people try to translate "storm-trooper" back into German as "Sturmtruppler".
"Truppler" doesn't make any sense at all. It is not used anywhere and isn't even a word. If you want to refer to an individual soldier in a Sturmtrupp, you call them "Soldat" or "Stürmer".
I blame Star Wars for this piece of linguicide.
90b729 No.593784
>>593776
>sturmtruppler
There are people who actually say that? First time i've ever heard that term used.
e5594f No.593787
>>593784
Yes. It's infuriating, because the entire concept of using "Sturm" to mean "Attack" originated in Germany.
The attackers in football are called "Stürmer" to this day, and yet none of these retards manage to connect two dots and call assaulting soldiers "Stürmer" as well. These are native German speakers I am talking about. Fuck this shit.
Back to on topic discussion: Paramilitary political armies
0f2622 No.596067
The Russian Protective Corps
After Germany crushed Yugoslavia, the White Russian émigrés living there formed a small army of their own, because being a White Russian émigré in a place full of communist guerrillas is unhealthy on the long term. Their plan was to first form self-defence units, then once the guerrilla threat is gone they can join the Germans in Russia, but the later never came to be. At first they were just guards (for a time the unit was called the Russian Factory Protective Group), then they were actively fighing the guerrillas, and they even saw some combat against the Red Army and the Bulgarians when they attacked the Axis forces at the former and future territory of Yugoslavia. In the end they marched to Austria and laid down their arms to the Brits. As most members were never citizens of the USSR, the Eternal Anglo rather uncharacteristically didn't hand them over to the Red Menace. Most of them went to the USA and Argentina.
Despite the name (or names, it was renamed a few times) it was a relatively small force, barely bigger than 11 000 people in 4 infantry and 1 cavalry regiment at its height. The core membership came from the whites living in Serbia, but later émigrés from other European countries joined them too. There were even Cossacks in their ranks, and the Germans gave them some soviet POWs too, although the later wasn't that successfull. Interestingly, all the officers, including the commanders, were Russian, there were only a handful of German officers for liaison and training. At first they wore old Russian Imperial uniforms with Czechoslovak helmets, and used Yugoslav weapons, then they got Wehrmacht uniforms. If I understand the second source correctly, then they used the regulations of the Imperial Russian Army to maintain internal order, but used the regulations of the Red Army when it came to combat.
0f2622 No.596069
>>593787
Quite amusingly, in Hungarian ostrom means siege, and it comes from German Sturm. You see, we didn't have a word for siege, but we already had one for charge and assault, and storming the forticifation is indeed the highpoint of a siege.
149e39 No.596098
>>583673
You do realize kiev was the center of kiev rus right? There is this odd Russiaboo historical view where you try and re center the Rus around Moscow and pretend that belarus and Ukraine didnt exist at all. Moskawvol a shit!
118d7e No.596124
>>596098
Wasn't novogrod such a threat as well it was burn to the ground? culturally enriched?
659fa0 No.596311
>>579710
Look on b-ok.xyz
It's where I get most of my books.
ead0f0 No.596313
>>575630
1. Hungarians are not Slavs, they came from Siberia and nobody knows their true origins.
2. Russians are not Slavs. Russia is not "Kievan Rus", it's successor of Muscovy - a duchy that collaborated with mongols. Russia appropriated Slavonic language and claims to be successor of Kievan Rus but Russia never was a Slavic nation state like Poland or Belarus. Slavs are just declining minority in Russia.
0b3cd8 No.596334
>>596313
>Hungarians are not Slavs
Ethnically not, but their history is very close ties.
Slavs evolved from Scythians, Fins evolved from Sami folk, and Hungarians evolved from Avars. All three groups were originally tributary tribes of the Huns, from which Hungarians do no descend from. Their country is named after the Hunguri plains, which are named for Huns, but there's no ethnic connection there aside from Avars once being the Huns allies.
They were closely related tribes, any genetic map will show those groups clustering. Image related, Hungarians and East Slavs are smack dab between Fins and South Slavs in terms of genetics.
149e39 No.596355
What do you guys think about the left using 4th gen fighters in the west? Antifa hope not hate and other leftist political groups are esentially a second unelected goverment administering vigalante justice
7bc06b No.596388
>>575617
How do Ukrainians view the Natsoc occupation during the 1940s these days?
Back then the civilian population in the countryside didn't seem to be opposed to the Wehrmacht much if what Degrelle wrote is true.
e22d0d No.596389
>>596334
>all that bullshit
Let me repeat myself:
>in our case a bunch of Turks brought so many Ugors with them that they too became Ugric. The whole thing about Attila and Huns is because Western Europeans couldn't tell apart nomadic peoples, and because it was good propaganda for the Árpád dynasty to claim to be descendants of the Huns.
<inb4 I have to repeat fucking everything again, because people in North America don't know what is a history book
1. Turks are basically the cousins of Mongols, and modern Turkey is called that because the Ottoman Turks conquered the area. So while the average modern Turkish man is a weird mixture of all peoples from around Asia Minor, a Turk ruling family more than a thousands years ago would be just Central Asians with their weird Central Asian features and culture. And they were just the thin elite ruling over hundreds of thousands of people.
2. Ugors are indeed the same kind of people who also turned into Finns and Estonians, and all other Ugrics people of today are Siberian tribesmen.
3. Yes, we did intermix with Slavs quite a lot. Also with Germans. And we even had whole cities build by settlers from France and Italy. And despite all of that we still kept our language and customs (even if both of them changed quite a lot over more than 1100 years). Honestly, you could make a better case for the Irish being a strange offshoot of the English.
4. We were genocided on various scales more than once during our history. Because of that there was quite a lot of empty land here, which led to immigration from neighbouring lands. This is why we had Turkic and Iraninan peoples living in the middle of the country. And their genes didn't just disappear overnight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuns%C3%A1g
5. And despite all of this, centuries of warfare brought all of us close together genetically and culturally, so we aren't some European Brasilia with randomly mixed people who have nothing common with each other.
a94fd4 No.596392
>>596355
Are you stupid dubsman?
They can only riot in the streets and smash displays of stores, not strafe run civillians, unless you're thinking of a full fledged civil war
e22d0d No.596394
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>>596355
>muh 6 gorrilionth gen warfare
People who speak in these terms simply lack an innate and historic understanding of warfare. Sending your mobs to the streets is a common occurence in the West since the French revolution. It's really not any different from 1930s Germany either. Or if you want to look at a different civilization, in Rome politicians also used the plebeians as shock troops. Really, there is nothing notable in this if you take back a few steps.
e22d0d No.596398
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>>596392
He's not exactly wrong, even if he isn't right. That is, they are used by the elites to threat their opposition with violence, and said elites also make sure that the state won't stop them. Think of Weimar Germany, where for killing a commie leader you barely got anything, even if they did cite you before a judge to keep up appearances. Of course, if a commie killed someone he got an appropriate sentence for his crime. What is extremely remarkable though is that with the ideology of Cultural Marxism the elites managed to fanaticize those leftist idiots to fight for them, while thinking that they are opposing them and their goals.
149e39 No.596400
>>596394
Er…..yeah thats kinda what forth gen is my dude. Any fighting force that isnt state sponsored monoploy on violence is a 4th gen fighter. I really dont get what the point of this comment is?
149e39 No.596402
>>596392
I honestly think you guys are the ones that are stupid about this. The left has been able to lodge themselves into a perminent position of power by using none state aligned forces to coerce and intimidate.
>they can only riot and smash
They can take over countries and isolate and kill opposition
e22d0d No.596403
>>596400
Because this supposedly new and never-before-seen ultramodern form of warfare was used in Rome 2000 years ago. Even more, that mindbogglingly alien form of Russian hybrid warfare is barely different from what the Brits used to conquer India, or what the Spanish conquistadors did in America. That is, the point of my "comment" is that people who use them therm "xth gen warfare" don't instinctively understand warfare, and so they need rigid academic doctrines to understand perfectly obvious things.
>>596402
Yes, and? This has already happened before, and it will happen again. C'est la vie. But to repeat myself: no, leftist didn't lodge themselves anywhere, they are just useful tools in the hands of globalists. Of course, even leftist higher up in the ladder have no idea about this, but that's because you have to be a braindead zombie to be a leftist.
a94fd4 No.596405
>>596355
>>596392
I'm stupid, because i thought the burger is referring to 4th gen fighter jets, and not guerillas.
7bc06b No.596407
>>596402
>implying the left can accomplish anything without some authority (((figures))) providing them with cash, leadership and bedtime stories
499958 No.606949