/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

>>42505

We don't do what the PM of Malaysia tells us to do and we will not go on murder sprees because someone put up an offensive image. The PM can choke on a bag of dicks.

>>42505

>It's official

No it isn't. That's not how jihad works. Let the PM officially and publicly diclare jihad, not on social media lmao. Also, if a government declares jihad then it's a military invasion IE war so it's going to be obvious.

>If you can kill a disbelieving……

Anon relax. jihad =/= crimes

>France

France won't be conquered by a bunch of criminals with knives, it will be conquered by muslim warriors army that follow the Qur'an and Sunnah that have modern stuff like guns, tanks, planes…etc . And how can anyone declare jihad against france when jews still have palestine???? Do you honestly think that we are gonna skip over palestine and pretend that everything is okay there?????

>>42508

https://sunnah.com/riyadussalihin/introduction/308

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/81/73

>>42505

Lmao, since when were Prime Ministers qualified to give fatwas?

>>42505

mahatir is a murtad taghut he cant give fatwas

>>42507

>bag of dicks.

no need for vulgarities, just call it a eucharist doggy-bag.

>>42535

That's all the cock-swallowing devil worshipper knows: blasphemy, sacrilege and genocide. You can never win against the truth with arguments so your only recourse is to try to remove it with force.

>>42539

The fact that you keep having to resort to slanderous imagery is all the proof we need that you have no arguments and that you devout your existence to sacrilege in service of satan. We don’t have to do that, since we actually have arguments and the truth with us, whereas christianity is as filthy as satan’s and can not conceivably be defiled through further human efforts.

And we know the reason you keep talking about animals is because you're a furry-bestialist like your countrymen and co-religionists. Yes your entire social identity revolves around literally ing animals. Again, no slander needed. These are your own labels you take pride in.

>>42505

okay now I know 100% this board is pozzed.

something so blatantly anti-islam being posted under the guise of 'jihad' makes me sick honestly

>>42546

>some rando posted something I don't like

>it's the whole board's fault

Did you read the rest of the thread or just the OP and assumed everything else? Do you also get your news by only reading headlines?

>>42542

It’s weird how impassioned you get arguing over which jew offshoot desert religion is best.

The French people had an opportunity to vote LePen and begin dealing with the import of savagery from North Africa. As tragic as the consequences of globalism are, your retarded ‘jihad’ wouldn’t be possible without globalist crook politicians supporting the expansion of Islam to the west.

Maren Ueland and Louisa Jespersen would be household names if our Zionist ruling elite cared more about their own blood than appeasing you people.

If living in a country that allows drawing your beloved medieval warlord is so bad, just relocate to whatever wretched dustbowl doesn’t.

>>42510

Why would you need planes and armies when the French have been brainwashed and browbeaten into tolerating the primitivism of Islam and their own erasure? They consider the presence of Moroccans and Algerians in their ancestral home to be a good thing.

The door has been opened for you, the state gets cheap labour and left wing votes, the people get subracial detritus who want to behead them. Welcome to clownworld 2020.

I really hate france. They spelled damn secularism all over the Turkey

Muslims should make hijra to their own lands according to Islam. I made a thread about it some time ago over here: https://8kun.top/islam/res/41051.html

It's fun and refreshing to see a mujahid killing a couple of kuffar in their own countries every once in a while, but if you actually want to wage war, you'll have to do it properly.

Most Muslims in kuffar countries are secularised. Although a few are truly pious, like the mujahid who beheaded the French bastard, most aren't like that because of their constant exposure to kufr. They should make hijra to warzones like Sham.

>>42590

Are you European?

>>42591

No.

>>42592

Somehow invaders aren’t as bad as traitors. You could just be peacefully relocated and barred from our lands.

>>42593

Immigrants are not invaders.

>>42594

Ok, so your presence in Europe was made possible owing to the Jewish reform of immigration policy following WWII, rather than straightforward invasion. Why should I be more sympathetic to your parasitic and violence inclined present in Europe?

>>42595

You, an immigrant to this board, come here and insult us like this and you wonder why we don't like you. Funny, that.

>>42596

Your religions compels you to violence against us as non believers, regardless of whether or not we insult you. In contrast, I just suggested people who actively wish harm on Europeans should be supported to return to their country of origins.

>>42595

>Jewish reform of immigration policy following WWII

There have been Muslims in Europe since the 7th century.. Can your family make that claim?

>>42597

>compels you to violence against us as non believers

No it doesn't. gb2 /pol/, tourist.

>>42599

From daesh;

>

The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam

So ‘whilst we complain about the actions of Zionist politicians in the West which our victims have no control over, we’ll rape and behead non muslims regardless of what they do’

>>42598

Yes.

And when I look at a part of my home city that only half a century ago was almost entirely Irish, now reduced to an Afro Islamic 🤬hole I don’t think ‘well this is ok, these people once invaded Spain and took slaves to north africa’.

>>42600

>>42600

Yeah, we should embrace Islam, that way we’d get to repeat the Abrahamic horrors of Christianity AND the totalitarian brutality of Marxism. As a bonus we get to be reduced to minorities by inbred south Asians in our ancestral lands. Keep selling it to me.

>>42603

Islam regards the upholding of private property very highly. It is invariably capitalist. There is a very small tax to help the poor, needy, and travelers but other than that it is closer to libertarianism than any other ideology.

The Prophet PBUH refused to fix prices, even during a famine.

The Prophet PBUH said "Verily Allah is the One who sets the price, who holds back, who makes it easy, and the one who grants sustenance. Really, I wish I could meet God without anyone claiming me for the tyranny I did in blood matters and not in matters of wealth."

The Prophet PBUH said "Whoever is killed protecting his property is a martyr."

Islam requires a gold standard and bans usury. It promotes business creation and working for ones wages instead of taking charity. Caring for the well being of your fellow man is encouraged over profits but spending more than the obligatory zakat tax is not imposed by the government. The tax is 2.5%, and other taxes are not supposed to be levied.

Basically living under true Sharia law would be a capitalist paradise, akin to Ayn Rand's "Capitalism The Unknown Ideal". The only difference would be that the poor are not left to fend for themselves, but all needy people are given the basic necessities-food, clothing, and shelter. This is paid for by the 2.5% tax on ones savings that have been held for over one year and through separate agricultural zakat. This is how loaning money is promoted in Islam, because money that is loaned out does not have to be taxed. Interest is not required to incentivize people to give out loans.

The people that say that Islam promotes Marxism are full of sh*t. It couldn't be further from the truth. Islam is perfect, Muslims are not. The implementation of Sharia law is in the hands of the the one implementing it.

I'm white BTW. I can have a white wife and have little white Muslim babies.

>>42606

Note I said the ‘totalitarianism’ of Marxism. I was likening Islam to Marxism as an entity which has disbelievers rather than ‘class enemies’. The more zealous the Marxist, the more class enemies he finds, the more ruthless his methods in dealing with them. Similarly wherever Islam goes salafi jihadism will follow, and accrue followers. And they will behead and rape their way though the populace for the sake of their god and the authenticity of Islam.

Secondly Islam is akin to Marxism in that it at least claims to not recognise race. It standardises humanity down to a single rootless ‘ummah’, and everything outside of that is ‘kuffar’. You cannot be a Muslim and have nationalistic sentiments towards a homeland or your heritage, even the music of Mozart is forbidden to you. World heritage sites become mere ‘idolatry’ symbols. Like Marxism, the world revolution is greater than any individual cultural bias.

Keep in mind, like Antifa, daesh boasted of their open borders policy and multiracial ranks.

And property costs regardless, i’d be taxed more under the shariah and likely eventually killed.

>>42614

You are taking the most extreme view of Islam and claiming that it is the pinnacle of Islam. Has the thought entered your smooth brain that daesh/ISIS is actually wrong about Islam and that, maybe - just maybe - they aren't practicing it right and perhaps aren't even Muslim? Has that occurred to you at all?

>>42593

I don't live in Europe nor America.

>>42617

Cool, I wish you well.

>>42616

Other then the burning of the Jordanian pilot which inspired some debate between scholars over whether execution by fire is permissible, can you name a single thing Isis have done which is not compatible with the qu’rans ruling on non-Muslims?

Other than possible treaties, can you demonstrate where Islam forbids killing non believers, in a passage which cannot be abrogated by several more after Muhammed began raiding caravans in Medina and preparing for war?

Isis follow the principle that the word of God is inviolable, if one knowingly violates Gods rulings how can they be Muslims? Daesh have corporal punishment in order to address human error, but this kind of barbaric punishment is limited only to Muslims.

Those who practice of religions other than Islam (outside of temporary treaties) enjoy no protection, as they are guilty of the highest imaginable crime in Islam (polytheism). This thread celebrates the beheading of a French teacher, but now you want to argue Islam is good for polytheists?

>>42621

>can you name a single thing Isis have done which is not compatible with the qu’rans ruling on non-Muslims?

Many, but none to your satisfaction.

>can you demonstrate where Islam forbids killing non believers

Yes, but not to your satisfaction.

>This thread celebrates the beheading of a French teacher

No, it does not, unless you redefine "celebrate". That redefining of terms is why no answer I could give will ever satisfy you. You will simply interpret your way, read what you want to read, and ignore that which doesn't conform to your narrative.

>>42627

>You are not special for being white.

I agree with this, I don’t think nationhood should be a source of pride, but responsibility. Remember that 11 year old Swedish girl (Ebba Akerlund) who got ripped in half by the Muslim who went on a truck rampage? She was failed by institutions who allowed her killer to freely roam the streets of Sweden AFTER telling him he would be deported. It’s not that she was ‘special’, but her death was preventable and she’d perhaps be alive if Swedes had some sense of responsibility to their people.

Muslims have demonstrated time and time again their vengefulness, at times justifiably. Is it so strange that those outside of Islam would always experience some kind of in group preference?

Mindless pride doesn’t even enter the equation here. It’s human nature. Right now, Europeans have very little to be proud of and a lot to put right. For themselves, and the nations they’ve been manipulated into entering hostilities against.

Also, race mixing is a domestic affair, whilst I disagree with it in most cases, I don’t believe it’s the states place to dictate who people can and cannot associate with. This liberty would be compromised under sharia, as marrying outside of the religion is forbidden;

“Do not marry mushrik women until they become believers; a believing slave woman is better than a free mushrik woman even though she may be more attractive to you. Likewise, do not marry mushrik men until they become believers: a believing slave is better than a free mushrik”

That sounds like a pretty straightforward instruction. And if you think Christians are exempt from the absolute instruction, do they not worship a cross?

So, whilst I personally disapprove of interracial marriage, your religion categorically forbids interfaith marriage.

The first step would be to remove ALL western preserve from Islamic countries, secondly to place a total moratorium on all immigration from developing, non European countries. From there we could cooperate, trade and attempt to resolve the issues we have now. Of course that will never happen, as the Israel lobby will be too quick to accuse any country that refuses to bomb Muslims of anti semitism.

>>42628

*presence not ‘preserve’

>>42622

If you can’t show a non Muslim that they’re not properly following the qu’ran, I imagine dealing with the millions of salafi jihadists around the world must be a nightmare. And I see a lot of cases where treacherous Europeans default to salafi jihadism as though to prove themselves and their authenticity. The UK especially creates space for them, did you know an Afghan who declared a caliphate was able to relocate to London unchallenged? I cannot recall his name. The UK navy also bought the Manchester arena bomber to UK from Libya.

The UK always defended Islam in their press propaganda, branding daesh the ‘so called Islamic state’, but I’ve never seen a scholar convincingly demonstrate that daesh are unislamic, only that their strategy is detrimental to the spread of Islam and will cost their movement popular support.

>>42631

>not just israel, even if they did not exist, its against our interests to be permanent allies, sure maybe a temporary non aggression pact is possible, but eventually we will have to clash, we are both expansionary , every civilization is, to make their way of life supreme, if you arent you die by others who are, and right now the west is dying, and we will take advantage as that, as should be expected

This kind of transparency is refreshing, we have state propaganda in the West which constantly tells us Islam is entirely benign and only evil racists would find any fault in millions of Muslims relocating to Europe. They celebrate Islam as an aspect of their ‘diversity’ cult while you sharpen your swords and proselytise on our streets. It’d be funny if I had the funds to get the hell out and never look back.

It also proves nationalism is not a matter of pride but survival. And right now, Europeans would do well to recognise their chances of survival on this current path are zero.

>>42632

I suppose when I think of asymmetric warfare I think more of the Vietcong laying traps than daesh auctioning children off for sex slavery. Their apocalyptic zeal goes beyond bad optics.

>Muslim men can marry ahl al kitab (people of the scriptures) jews and christians and sabians, they are mushrik (idolaters) but they are an exception to the rule as they generally believe in 1 God. But conditions must be met, that she is modest and chaste, meaning not a modern whore. Also it's recommended by scholars not to marry them in their lands but only in dar al islam, so the children are guaranteed to be muslims.

Thankyou for clarifying.

>>42636

I don’t think so, Muslims targeted non Muslim girls for rape on an epidemic scale throughout the north of England. Similar problems in Netherlands. Whilst they might make some money off this, this particular aspect of Islamic culture transcends economics, daesh did it to fulfil their religion for instance. If their warlord religious founder said child sex slavery is allowed, why wouldn’t they do it?

>>42630

See:

>>11001

>This board is the 8chan Masjid and should be treated as such. It is a place for Muslims to gather and discuss Islam and not intended as a place where Muslims must defend themselves or their religion from outsiders.

and

>>40940

>[4] Outsiders are welcome, but must be respectful. Treat this board as you would a mosque in the real world.

Now, go to a mosque in the real world and tell the brothers there how violent they all are and how their religion commands them to kill you and see how that goes for you. PROTIP: You'll be ignored, laughed at, and asked to leave.

>>42639

Criticism of Islam is risky if not outright dangerous in the West, whether or not the criticism it takes place in a mosque. The teacher who got beheaded didn’t show and discuss those cartoons in a mosque, that happened a school.

>>42641

>that happened at a school

So, schools are dangerous and people should avoid them.

>>42642

Schools are fine, I’m not sure what the incident says about Muslims though.

>>42637

>>42644

>this particular aspect of Islamic culture transcends economics

>When the sultan conquers an area that refused the ultimatum

Exactly. This did not happen in England. Muslim rape gangs are not following Sharia, under Sharia they would have the hadd punishment imposed (the same as the punishment for zina). England is not a caliphate. This is a serious problem and the perpetrators are not practicing Muslims. Do you really think these people are praying 5 times a day while they are grooming young girls to be raped, in some cases for money? No they aren’t. They might call themselves Muslims but they are not practicing Islam.

>>42641

That teacher wasn't discussing those cartoons. He was blatantly showing cartoons that were disrespectful to the Prophet PBUH. He did it to be provocative and teach the children about "free speach". I'm not saying he should have been beheaded, but there really is no such thing as freedom of speech. You can't walk around saying "I'm going to kill the president of such and such country", you would be arrested. Cartoons like Family Guy regularly make disrespectful depictions of Allah Himself, and no one does anything about it. Allah should be put above the Prophet PBUH in all matters. I'm not saying that the creators of Family Guy should be beheaded, I am just trying to put things in perspective.

>>42647

The first guy brought them up, the second guy said that slavery is a part of Islam and went into detail about it, in response to the first guy.

>>42646

>>42646

So those gangs acted with too much transparency? If England was conquered by Islam what those gangs were doing would be systemised and given theological backing, but until then they should have acted with more restraint?

Somebody else already described sex slavery as just ‘another part of the economy’ a few posts back, so it seems those gangs were just bad optics rather than bad Muslims.

Why wouldn’t they pray five times a day? We know slavery is permissible under Islam and that different rulings apply to non believers than to Muslims. For instance, if you stole from a Muslim it would be a terrible sin, but what if you stole from a shop owned by a member of a ‘crusader’ nation? Does the sharia not deal with those things differently? Same with these gangs, they only targeted ‘animals’, as that guy a few posts above described their ‘kuffar’ victims.

Those ‘grooming’ gangs never, ever targeted Muslim girls, who they no doubt had access to. This suggests at least some degree of consciousness as to how they should operate. There are accounts of south Asians murdering their own daughters when they refuse to marry their cousin or uncle or whatever in Pakistan, the prospect of their children associating with ‘animals’ is a fate worse than death.

We know non Muslims are held to a different standard than Muslims in Islam, they are perceived as ‘unclean’ or living in ‘ignorance’. Do you not think this mindset helped the grooming gangs depersonalise their victims?

>>42653

>If England was conquered by Islam what those gangs were doing would be systemised and given theological backing

No. If England was conquered by Islam and everyone was enslaved, you aren’t allowed to mass rape the populous. Sexual relations are allowed with certain slaves, but it has to be done with their consent.

>Somebody else already described sex slavery as just ‘another part of the economy’

That is wrong. Prostitution is strictly forbidden in all instances.

>Why wouldn’t they pray five times a day?

Because the prayer is a barrier against sin. When Muslims pray, they are supposed to be thinking about Allah and their actions, the good and the bad. It isn’t normal for a Muslim to pray completely concentrating on how they are supposed to be acting to please Allah, and then go about operating a sex slavery business. That is crazy. If they don’t care about their actions, they aren’t going to care about praying like they are supposed to.

>but what if you stole from a shop owned by a member of a ‘crusader’ nation? Does the sharia not deal with those things differently?

No. The rules don’t go out the window when you are living among non-Muslims. You aren’t allowed to steal, rape, murder or commit any other crime just because you are dealing with non-Muslims. Muslims are supposed to follow the rules in the country they are living in, unless they contradict the laws of Allah. So if a country made a law saying you couldn’t pray, it would be obligatory to break that law.

>There are accounts of south Asians murdering their own daughters when they refuse to marry their cousin or uncle or whatever in Pakistan

This practice is not supported by any Islamic legislation. It is an evil innovation.

> Do you not think this mindset helped the grooming gangs depersonalise their victims?

All criminals find a way to justify their criminal behavior to themselves. How does this in any way have anything to do with Islam? The actions of criminal Muslims are separate from Islam and what it commands.