79e204 No.32415[Last 50 Posts]
Islamically should Muslims be carrying knives in London? Like I don't wanna disobey the law of the land and get arrested but I also don't wanna get stabbed, it's gotten to the point where people I know (and these aren't yobs that hang out with gangs or anything) are being threatened, robbed, shot at with fireworks, beat up and killed.
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6de673 No.32416
>>32415
>don't want to get stabbed
Would carrying a knife somehow magically make you immune to being stabbed?
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35165b No.32418
carry a knife and a stab proof vest if u can afford it
you are allowed islamically, islamic law trumps kaffir law
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6de673 No.32419
>>32418
Not carrying a weapon is not a sin, therefore the law against carrying weapons is something Muslims must obey. We have to obey the laws of the land in which we live provided we are not commanded to sin.
Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi
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79e204 No.32420
>>32416
It makes you less of a target, these people are wusses and wouldn't dare stab someone if they thought the person could actually endanger their life.
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79e204 No.32421
>>32419
Not protecting my life is a sin tho
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6de673 No.32423
>>32421
You don't need a weapon to protect your life. Do not look for loopholes in God's law.
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249a06 No.32424
>>32419
Could you post the actual hadiths because al-Bukhari 2796 has nothing to do with it when I looked it up?
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6de673 No.32425
>>32424
Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi)
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8bca4b No.32426
>>32415
As far as for self-defense, a metal rod works just as well (if not better) than a knife. Hit someone on the head with it and they go down very easily, and you don’t have to worry about causing them permanent bodily harm as you would by stabbing someone. I don’t know how Britain’s weapons laws are, but if knifes are illegal and a metal rod isn’t, that is another added bonus.
You don’t want to risk killing someone with a knife (even if they are robbing you) if there is a more effective, non-lethal alternative. Maybe getting beaten unconscious will be a wake up call to them to get their life in order.
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249a06 No.32427
>>32425
That's clearly talking about a Muslim leader. I don't think you should break laws in your countries, but let's not go overboard and say that breaking the law is now breaking God's law as you said. That is obviously absurd.
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6de673 No.32428
>>32427
No, it is about any leader in general. Do not look for loopholes in God's law. We are commanded to follow the laws in the nations we live so long as we're not commanded to sin. If you can prove that "not carrying a knife" is a sin, then do so. Bring your proof.
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249a06 No.32429
>>32428
>it is about any leader in general.
One of the conditions of the leader is that he should be a Muslim in the first place. I'm not saying anyone should break laws, but rather that your claim that the british pm or whatever is the Imam that which Muslims are commanded to follow is clearly incorrect. See eg:
> O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; [4:59]
Note: those of you(ie the believers).
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6de673 No.32430
>>32429
A leader isn't necessarily Muslim. We live in many, many nations that have non-Muslim leaders. Are you claiming that I am allowed to break the law of the land in which I live, even though I'm not being commanded to sin, simply because my leader isn't Muslim?
Do you think God is stupid enough to believe that there will never be secular nations?
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a6349c No.32431
>>32429
lol Quranist detected. >>>/modernislam/
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249a06 No.32432
>>32430
>A leader isn't necessarily Muslim.
I'm talking about the legitimate leader, mostly called in fiqh "Imaam". That's the leader mentioned in the Quran and hadiths that we need to obey.
>Are you claiming that I am allowed to break the law of the land in which I live
Well obviously that would have its legal consequences, so you're not "allowed" by the police to do that.
>Do you think God is stupid enough to believe that there will never be secular nations?
So let me get this straight, you're talking about a SECULAR nation's laws and how breaking those is to break the law of God. Does that not sound ironic to you?
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249a06 No.32433
>>32431
Weak troll attempt.
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6de673 No.32434
>>32433
>>32432
>still haven't brought your proof
Show me where it's a sin to not carry a knife. Bring your proof.
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249a06 No.32436
>>32434
I never said that it was a sin to not carry a knife that I'd need to present any proof to begin with. As for the person you responded to then it's probably an instigating troll, and the same individual as >>32431
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35165b No.32437
>>32419
>We have to obey the laws of the land
proof?
>>32425
this has to be a muslim ruler
stop lying
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35165b No.32438
>>32434
The burden of proof is on you, obeying kaffir laws is a misconception, it's only islamic laws you have to obey.
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6de673 No.32462
>>32437
>>32438
>proof?
<posts proof
>but where's your proof?
oy vey …
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6de673 No.32463
>>32437
>this has to be a muslim ruler
… except it doesn't say that. Why are you adding to it?
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249a06 No.32466
>>32463
The hadith doesn't even mention the word "leader" at all, that's something you've(or the translator) added. The hadith just says
>It is obligatory for one to listen to and obey
Now according to al-Bukhari it refers to Imam. Why don't you tell us what the conditions of being the Imam is?
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6de673 No.32471
>>32466
Yeah, it does, and my translation is accurate. We are obligated to follow the law in the land we live provided it doesn't force us to sin.
I'm still waiting for proof that not carrying a weapon is a sin.
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249a06 No.32472
>>32471
Nope, here it is:
>السَّمْعُ وَالطَّاعَةُ حَقٌّ، مَا لَمْ يُؤْمَرْ بِالْمَعْصِيَةِ، فَإِذَا أُمِرَ بِمَعْصِيَةٍ فَلاَ سَمْعَ وَلاَ طَاعَةَ
>translation:"It is obligatory for one to listen to and obey (the ruler's orders)…
As you see "ruler" is put in parenthesis because it's not actually in the hadith. Al-Bukhari puts it under the title
>Listening to and obeying the Imam
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56/167
So your "translation" is actually your own (invalid) interpretation.
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6de673 No.32473
>>32472
Yeah, ok fine. So Muslims don't have to follow the law. Good luck in prison.
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79e204 No.32474
>>32423
>You don't need a weapon to protect your life.
Considering Londoners are get stabbed on a daily basis now, and two people my brother knows have been killed, I'd contest that.
>Do not look for loopholes in God's law.
Don't accuse people of heinous things for literally no reason.
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79e204 No.32475
>>32426
>I don’t know how Britain’s weapons laws are, but if knifes are illegal and a metal rod isn’t, that is another added bonus.
People have been sentenced for butterknives, I doubt they'd be ok with a metal rod.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1487762/Butter-knife-an-offensive-weapon.html
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249a06 No.32476
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35165b No.32477
>>32463
it's obey the amirs MINKUM (from you = muslims)
>>32473
u dont have 2, but its easier to obey some laws, for example in the OP's case i would carry a knife, because theres a low chance i will get caught, and idc about english law
same if a brother wants to marry 4 wives but the law does not allow that, he should find a way to marry them without papers
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79e204 No.32480
>>32477
>same if a brother wants to marry 4 wives but the law does not allow that, he should find a way to marry them without papers
Legal marriage in the West is death sentence, avoid it period if you care about your wealth and children.
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35165b No.32487
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85bc4d No.32510
>>32415
Who is doing all the stabbing?
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8bca4b No.32516
>>32475
It doesn’t matter if they are okay with it, if there isn’t a law against it they can’t charge you with anything. An example would be a tire iron, which serves a purpose and is a pretty common item. If British lawmakers want to institute a blanket ban on knives, that would include butterknives even if it would be silly to charge someone for possessing a butterknife. I don’t know how they could have a complete blanket ban on all metal objects.
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35165b No.32517
Also, daily reminder that voting is shirk.
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4c32ef No.32536
I recommend a short strung bow and arrow or throwing spears as this is the Sunnah
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79e204 No.32538
>>32510
It's mostly what's called 'The Postcode Wars', 2 decades ago there was some fight about some chick apparently and people started stabbing each other and it spiralled out of control. People will literally stab you if you're from a part of London they don't like. It's either that or they're just trying to rob you.
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79e204 No.32539
>>32516
We have a blanket ban on 'offensive weapons', so it's down to whatever they feel is an 'offensive weapon'.
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8bca4b No.32596
>>32539
“Well officer, I got a call from my brother down the road and he told me that he needed help changing his tire. That is why I am carrying this tire iron. He said he doesn’t have one in his vehicle.”
To make it so you are not lying, you can have a brother from down the road call you to help him change his tire, and have him take the tire iron out of his vehicle before doing it. Once you do that once, the above statement will always be true, and you can repeat it over and over without lying.
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35165b No.32604
>>32596
oi mayte u got a iron license for that?
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79e204 No.32619
>>32616
You protect against it by teaching the pakis about Islam.
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249a06 No.32623
>>32619
Yes we need to eradicate the dangerous, biblical notion of honor killings.
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d0b568 No.32668
>>32666
>making slanders
>666
checks out
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20660d No.32669
If you don't want to follow secular laws, why live in a secular country?
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79e204 No.32673
>>32623
It's not biblical, it's jahil.
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79e204 No.32674
>>32669
1. I don't have the money to leave.
2. I was ok following the law when the government was doing its job, it wasn't always like this.
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215e1f No.32675
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>>32426
>As far as for self-defense, a metal rod works just as well (if not better) than a knife.
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35165b No.32679
>>32674
akhis, let's move to yemen
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79e204 No.32682
>>32679
So I can get bombed by Saudi? No thanks.
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35165b No.32683
>>32682
nah fam we chill on the coast somewhere
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d0b568 No.32690
>>32675
Isn't that self-defense in it's true form?
antifa attacks>parry>hit back
Sure, you can use your bare hand but I don't think the average joe practices CQC
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d0b568 No.32707
>>32704
Muhammad (pbuh) died in Madinah though
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79e204 No.32710
>>32704
>Implying I moved here
Also I'm guessing you don't live in London, if you haven't even considered carrying a knife here you're a cuck who does not value their life.
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35165b No.32715
>>32704
Did u even bother to read the OP, retard?
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8bca4b No.32724
>>32675
That is an antifa idiot attacking someone, not a person with complete mental faculties defending themselves. Hence the term self-defense.
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