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9123f1 No.29252[Last 50 Posts]
This bumbling woman couldn't formulate a coherent reply to save her life. What's the actual answer /islam/ ?
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3bbbe5 No.29253
>>29252
To my knowledge, there is only one Christian country; Vatican City. There are no Muslims there. Did you mean "Christian majority" countries? That's different.
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04f400 No.29254
>>29252
Some actually deserve the title of refugees, but overall, because life in Christian countries is better than life in Muslim countries, at least when it comes to economic reasons and quality of life? You can call it selfish, but as long as they're not going against Islam, there's nothing morally stopping Muslim refugees (also, note that not all refugees are Muslims, I know and have heard of refugees that are probably actually atheists based on how they act) from doing so, unless European countries enforce their borders.
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e855c2 No.29255
Are you referring to the recent refugee crisis? Because the use of the term "always" makes it sound like you mean something else. The answer is that that they don't. The majority of refugeees have fled to Muslim countries like Turkey and Lebanon, but yes some have fled to Christian countries, possibly seeking better work opportunities and to be further from the current conflict. By the way, discussion of politics on this board is generally discouraged outside of designated threads. I'm pretty sure there's a containment thread for political topics so check the catalogue.
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3bbbe5 No.29261
>>29255
Eh, we're fine with political topics and don't have a designated thread for them. It's when they degenerate into /pol/ LARPing and Muslim bashing that they get locked.
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958227 No.29262
You make it sound like we deliberately seek out countries because of their Christian population. The real reasons are a lot more mundane.
For the refugees it's just about getting away from the fight. Plenty of them go to Islamic countries, but you don't hear about them.
For everyone else, it's the differences in opportunities. Trades are easier to get into, but more complex jobs would be more appreciated (and paid) in the West.
Personally I'm in it for the education and the lack of mosquitoes.
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3bbbe5 No.29263
>>29262
>lack of mosquitoes
You might want to avoid the southern US, then. Mosquitoes form literal clouds around here.
Anyway, I'm in it because I was born in the US. My parents were born in the US. My grandparents and so on and so forth all the way back to the first immigrant from my father's side, who stepped off the boat in 1632. I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to be here.
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9f606f No.29285
>>29252
Because the 'christians' either bomb a muslim country or place a puppet for their interests. Either leave us all alone and we leave you alone, or don't complain, you can't have it both ways.
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9123f1 No.29291
>>29285
>fleeing to your enemies country for shelter and asylum
Makes sense.
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e44a10 No.29308
>>29252
Why do people move from small towns to big cities? People don't go to """christian""" countries because those countries are """christian""". They go there for work or higher education. The anglosphere exerts immense influence all over the world and thus more people are likely to migrate towards it for better work opportunities and better wages.
>>29291
>muh refugees
Those countries aren't the only ones they flee to. They are directed towards those areas because those places are free from major conflicts. Because those governments share responsibility for what happened in their own countries. Shouldn't have meddled in foreign affairs if you didn't want to deal with the consequences. And they aren't simply accepted in there 'out of the goodness in the heart' of the governments of this countries. All of this is tied to geopolitics as well.
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c89311 No.29311
>>29308
>instead of going to neighboring muslim countries that have no conflict they flee to far off distant Christian lands
interesting psychology.
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76973e No.29312
>>29252
>>29308
>>29308
>Because those governments share responsibility for what happened in their own countries.
tons of countries in europe that had nothing to do with the situation in those countries tho, like Switzerland or Sweden that are neutral
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e44a10 No.29314
>>29311
Complete bull☻.
There are millions of refugees in nearby muslim countries. They don't just go to europe.
Also,
>Europe
>christian lands
lmao. And how many churches receive good crowd these days, eh? Sperging about "muh christianity" while you laugh along with """satirists""" that directly insult your religion.
>>29312
see
>All of this is tied to geopolitics as well
Things are not quite as what sensationalist media claims them to be. Those countries are also connected with the intervening countries and the destroyed countries themselves. You think when the leaders get together they only try to leverage one situation within specific boundaries? They might try to shoe-horn economic and other political decisions on the table while trying to maximise their own interests.
Everything that happens, happens because there's an agenda behind it. Be it for the sake of a person, or a political group, or an organisation, so on and so forth.
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3532a5 No.29345
Why are these ☻ty bait threads not deleted and their OPs banned already? Wake up mods.
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3532a5 No.29387
>>29348
Eh, when you put it like that, perhaps. I assumed different reasons.
In any case, I'm not against stifling dissent, i welcome it, I just hate these low IQ right wing teens from /pol/ or reddit who all sound the same and have nothing interesting to say.
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78d08a No.29388
>>29387
Islam is technically right wing, patriarchal and anti-liberal in terms of social and individual values.
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e11611 No.29392
>>29388
Islam is Islam. Some people think it's too conservative. Some think it's too liberal. All of them are wrong.
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78d08a No.29396
>>29392
It's not 'too conservative' but it is conservative enough, since it tries to conserve transcendent moral values that are very at odds with the progressive, secular "enlightened humanism" of the left.
It's extremely hard to pass as a liberal these days if you are opposed to the homosexual life style, opposed to women's sexual liberation (dating, abortion, premarital sex, immodest dress, etc), leisure alcohol/drug use. It's also very hard to appeal to revelation or sacred scripture or transcendent values since they are staunchly atheistic/materialistic and need arguments that revolve around "human freedom" and "pragmatism" not what is ultimately good for human nature or what the Divine wills…
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e44a10 No.29397
>>29396
It is not "too conservative" but it has aspects that some people might consider "conservative" or "right wing". It also has aspects that some people might consider "leftist" or "liberal". But we as muslims should not catagorise it by the definitions set by men. It is parts of the divine teachings that men took, cut around and formed their own ideologies. And now they claim these rules, logic, morality and thoughts came from men.
But anyone who actually ponders over these matters can clearly see that the same men that try to break the bonds of morality couldn't possibly have fashioned these bonds and put it on themselves in the first place. The only thing they can do is modify, not create from nothing.
That's why God's law is complete while the law of men is incomplete.
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3532a5 No.29398
>>29388
You know what I'm saying, pedant.
Right wing was a descriptive term for those people, not an insult.
Besides, Islam is outside this simplistic binary political system of today.
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3532a5 No.29399
>>29397
Perfectly said, brother.
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2c7e4f No.30759
>>29392
Are you saying it's both?? Hmmmm
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3bbbe5 No.30780
>>30779
Whatever you say, chief.
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bdc555 No.30785
>>30779
Technically every land is 'stolen', it's called conquest.
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7cfc5b No.31433
>>30779
Not from the history of my country. But try harder kafr.
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b0f937 No.31452
If you stay and fight an invasion you are "terrorist."
If you leave and go to a western country you are an "invader."
Christians have developed an elaborate theology of double-talk to gloss over the rankl paganism of their creed and that has long ago bled into their cringey ass political discourse.
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bdc555 No.31459
>>31452
kuffar: "Let's support all the muslim dictators and force secularism on them."
kuffar: "Damn muslims why are you leaving your countries to force shariah law on us?"
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8a7b00 No.31481
>>29252
It is a fact that our countries are bad in terms of living standards, but only because they were toppled into the disarray that they are currently in today. Take Iraq, for example. Saddams Iraq wasn't obviously perfect and it had its tyrannical peaks, but overall, life was good and immigration wasn't as large as it is today. However, the Americans invaded in 2003 and basically opened the floodgates for mass immigration. Who in their right mind would want to stay in a war-torn country? Of course they'd move "for the free gibs" to Europe and America! Neocons I see always complain about "mass muslim migration" while also bringing up the "tyranny of Muslim dictators", failing to realize that it was under that "Tyranny" that they didn't have their "mass migration crisis".
Goes a bit like this:
>Overthrow governments that kept the people in line for "MUH FREEDOM"
>Keep the countries in War
>"WTF WHY ARE THEY COMING TO OUR COUNTRIES REEEEEE"
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c7ba2d No.31511
>>29252
It's not always. Plenty of Syrians have settled in nearby countries, or other muslim countries.
I don't like though, the fact there are healthy young men coming to Britain. I get it, not everyone will join the army to act on their hopeless ideals of saving the world as I did. But lots of these lads are bigger, stronger than I am, and there's many more of them than there are of Saudi funded ☻stirrers, so surely, they'd be able to fix their countries if they actually manned up and fought back, rather than fleeing?
>>29308
Britain is not the US.
>>29388
Everyone has their own definition, are you really trying to shoehorn your idea of a religion onto over a billion people?
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cc3035 No.31519
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cc3035 No.31673
>>31511
islam is right wing
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3bbbe5 No.31674
>>31673
Partly right wing, partly left wing, partly centrist. Islam stands above all man made politics.
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cc3035 No.31675
>>31674
of course, but compared to liberals we are right wing
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83c261 No.31712
>>31481
It's even worse
>Overthrow governments by hiring thugs…err..freedom fighters
>Country in disarray
>Wait, why are they coming here? REEEE!!
>Years later, hired thug doesn't play ball with Johnny Applepie and his cronies
>Overthrow….with thugs again
>Rinse and repeat…and wonder why they kept coming..
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deb9cc No.31744
>>31675
Compared to the right wing we're also left wing, Islam is more third positioning, I find we have more in common with nazbols and the like than with either end of the political spectrum.
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cc3035 No.31754
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ad18cf No.31768
>>29252
How is this even a question? Any north african/levantine with the capabilities to leave to Europe will do so, its the nature of man to seek the best quality of life for his family.
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63e613 No.31795
>>31744
This imam is a murtadd who praises Kuffar as more understanding of Islam than Muslim brothers.
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cc3035 No.31796
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deb9cc No.31802
>>31754
They're more aware of what's going on than alot of people.
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3bbbe5 No.31803
>>31802
>neonazis
>aware of anything
Yeah, no.
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7498f9 No.31806
>>31802
>kuffar
>aware
pick 1
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1724f4 No.31835
>>31796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTstz4U5DJs
44:27-44:52
Sheykh Hamza Yousuf: "Foley's mother, she came out and just begged for the mercy of her son and she said "I read the Quran and I read about the Prophet"(SAW) "and he was merciful" and she was saying "just show mercy to my son". And I just felt it was so ironic that here's a woman who is not a Muslim and yet she had a deeper understanding of the religion than these people claiming to be the Caliphate"
He praises kuffar over Muslims. End of the debate on his apostasy.
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deb9cc No.31847
>>31806
Awareness is relative.
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692415 No.31848
>>31847
Islam has the full objective and comprehensive awareness, if you deny this you are kaffir.
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692415 No.31849
>>31835
He is quite the deviant, he loves to invite kuffar such as the nation of islam in his institution, talks with tony blair and even works with (rand) corporation which looks to westernize islam. He even quoted a false hadith there, using the greater jihad/ lesser jihad narrative. For this I don't trust him one bit.
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deb9cc No.31852
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692415 No.31854
>>31852
Islam is the objective truth if you oppose this you are an apostate.
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1017f4 No.31861
>>31854
yeah no kidding. Like this board, all wrongthink will be deleted. This image of a reasonable religion of peace but any actual truth posted on this board is wiped off right away.
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84ab26 No.31867
>rush across every border on earth chopping people up with swords
>cry when someone bombs your country in retaliation
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692415 No.31868
>>31861
trini detected, you obviously have less rights than us, like we have no rights on /christian/, so keep your shirk (polytheism) there!
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deb9cc No.31870
>>31854
Firstly those two statements aren't the same and secondly I wasn't commenting on the truth of Islam in the first place.
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deb9cc No.31871
>>31861
My post is still there bud, what are you blabbering about?
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3bbbe5 No.31874
>>31861
>all wrongthink will be deleted
Define "wrongthink" in the context of this board. Your /pol/ buzzword is meaningless, but please amuse us.
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692415 No.31876
>>31870
You wanted to make nazbol look good by comparing them to us.
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deb9cc No.31894
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d06de3 No.31908
>>31848
Islam does, judging by half this board's userbase I'm not sure if the modern Ummah does
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692415 No.31912
>>31908
A muslim has a better understanding of the world by virtue of his or her tawheed.
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32f128 No.31946
>>29252
I like how the ambassador lady tries to put words in the blonde chick's mouth and acts all smug when she interrupts an argument
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b0f937 No.32105
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71bb30 No.32155
>>31459
And correct me if I'm wrong…but ain't Shariah law only apply to Muslims? Why are they complaining?
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71bb30 No.32156
>>31867
>hire thugs to overthrow leaders who don't play ball
>bomb the stuffing out of the country
>cries when the folks of the country that turned into a hellhole because of YOUR actions
Hmmm….it's as if you're being punished for YOUR own misdeeds or something.
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deb9cc No.32159
>>32155
Shariah law as state law does extend at least to some degree to non-Muslims as I understand it. Severe crimes like murder, sodomy, rape etc.
Would appreciate if anyone could clarify this.
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692415 No.32168
>>32155
Because they are paranoid at muslims.
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9e841d No.32174
>>32159
Non-muslim populations are encouraged to develop and use their own court systems. They can request a sharia trial if they want.
But if the non-muslim hurts muslims the trial must be sharia.
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7b70c2 No.32175
>>32174
Exactly. Why are they pissing and moaning about a law that wouldn't (probably) affect them?
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1b0fda No.32936
>>32159
Sharia is mostly incompatible with secular morality and gonna be fought on this. You gonna have atheistic opposition against you since there going to be a secularization movement linked to economic development.
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1f9752 No.32955
>>32156
>fleeing to your enemies country
>profit from their welfare and good culture
makes sense
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