/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

Akhi, you have to first change your views on homosexuality. Islam will not conform itself to your views that homosexuality is normal, you need to understand it is not and it is an abomination which is severly punished in Islamic Law.

What as much as you can of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8

Your friends are nice if you like them then tell them to not commit homosexual acts. The fact that they are nice does not change that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of God akhi. Most of homosexuals were molested as children and hence they became homos, you need to understand that. Don't fall in the trap of thinking it is normal or whatever.

Tunisian (and north africans as a whole) immigranting to France is a problem. The result for some is that their children become Westernized and accept Western atheist values according to which man can have sex with man and there is nothing wrong with it.

The fact that they are attracted to other males in itself is not a problem. It becomes a problem when they act on it and commit homosexual acts. This is punished in Islam.

Also my brother, rejecting a part of the teachings of Islam constitutes disbelief.

>>20793

Allahu Ackbar

Being sexually attracted to other men isn't a sin, since there's nothing you can do about that. Sticking your dick in an asshole is, male or female.

You don't have to break ties with them or anything. If they're good people and their goodness inspires you to do good as well, there's nothing wrong with that. Just tell them that you're behind a bit on your studies and would rather focus on that. You don't have to hate them or cut ties with them.

As for adultery there are some practical reasons behind that. If people stuck to only having sex inside marriage you wouldn't have so many people cheating on their spouses. Raising children in a broken home is horrible for the children, and it's much more common in societies that praise adultery. If that's not enough look at how many people have sex for fun and end up getting the woman pregnant. It can ruin your life at worst.

I'm not knowledgeable enough on homosexuality to give practical reasons on it's rulings, but in a few countries you'll see adults who claim that sex before marriage only counts in the vagina, so by doing them in the ass you can get around it. Banning anal closes the so-called Poophole Loophole.

>In Germany, there are Liberal Muslim Associations calling for same-sex rights for Muslims.

People on /pol/ (halfchan /pol/) are formulating plans to destroy us using these Liberal muslim Ideas.

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/125810300#p125812825

The thread

If you see any of their posts, post these pictures in turn to reveal their plans.

" And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners."

>>20799

/pol/ has no power here.

>>20800

Whether /pol/ has its power or not, nothing will change the fact that those "Liberal Muslims" are considered kaffirs, disbelievers by the majority of Islamic scholars and are not to be considered as Muslims. They are a degenerate minority which is to be excluded from the 'Ummah and will never be considered muslims.

"And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination."

Surah an-nisah, Verse 115.

>>20797

but male sodomy is worse than female sodomy

>>20809

true, moderatecucks should be shamed

>>20791

>(I'm left-wing

Were you left-wing before studying in France ?

>is what I'm doing wrong?

From an Islamic point of view, absolutely, you can't just pick and choose what you're going to apply regarding your own religion.

However it's good that you decided to talk about it, i'll tackle Liberalism first and then i'll move on to homosexuality and adultery InshAllah.

Liberalism is intrinsically tied to hedonism and bounces off the incredible assumption that all ideas are equal (it implies that in practical terms not theoretically) as Muslims we don't believe that a proper Muslim believes that his faith is superior to all others, that Allah's laws are superior to all others else why be Muslim at all ? To illustrate my point about Liberalism let me give you an example say your 8 yr old son thinks he's actually born in the wrong body and starts dressing like a girl and applying makeup on his face like so ;

https://twitter.com/DOEDoobs/status/863480263464153091

Liberalism properly applied would dictate you should let him do as he wishes.

This is the inevitable result of an atheistic worldview that refuses to admit any form of objective morality, no societal norms or standards to determine right from wrong.

Kids have no structure to grab on to, at least nothing substantial hence why you see so many of them with no real goal in life and floating, waiting for their next hedonistic pursuits to pop up in their brains though admittedly that might be my confirmation bias.

I'm not going to slowly bullshit my way into saying that the Muslim world is better morally than the West today since we have so many incredible problems "back home" i'm saying that the Western world thrived the most when it had cultural norms.

>>20820

Something to tie homosexuality to liberalism for a better transition, i believe the "animals do it too" is probably one of the worst arguments for it.

Now i know it's a low hanging fruit and i normally wouldn't adress it but it's so widely used and accepted that i feel obligated to do it.

It's basically homosexuals admitting that they're no better than animals at controlling their impulses and the the animal kingdom is some kind of moral standard we should all be fine with if applied to us humans at the expense of our health and dignity while also implying that we function entirely on our basest instincts.

But here're some facts ;

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/

>Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with mena made up an estimated 2% of the population but 55% of people living with HIV in the United States in 2013.

>Gay and bisexual men accounted for 83% (29,418) of the estimated new HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 and older and 67% of the total estimated new diagnoses in the United States.

You also have to understand that such prevalence is also caused by the fact that homosexuals are extremely promiscuous.

https://ac21doj.org/contents/homosexuality/homosexualParentingPlacingChildrenAtRisk-Part2.html

>In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101-500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners.

>A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than 100 sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than 1,000 sexual partners.

>Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means something radically different than in heterosexual marriage.

>In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison report that in a study of 156 males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years: Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.

http://www.salon.com/2011/03/18/black_party_insanity/

>I remember the exact moment I realized it was time to leave the sex party and go home. It was 7:30 in the morning, and I was standing in front of a bunch of cots filled with piles of naked men. A man dressed in a leather jacket emblazoned with the words “human urinal” was next to me, a funnel strapped to his face. And as I stood there contemplating the circumstances that had led me to this place, a man wearing nothing but a harness and underwear staggered down the hallway and accidentally pressed up against me. “Oh my God!” he exclaimed to his friend, as his wet skin rubbed up against my arm. “Some guy must have pissed ALL OVER my shoulder!”

>[…]A few hours later, as morning rose, I walked into my Brooklyn apartment and dropped my clothes into a plastic bag. *What had I learned?*

Now you might call this an isolated event and i'd be inclined to agree with you if the earlier stats didn't exist, it just implies a fundamentally different way of thinking regarding sexual acts among gay men, denying it at that point and with such prevalence as indicated earlier would be very close to delusion in my opinion.

>this thread

being gay is bad, what is there to talk about?

if you are confused about "good people doing bad things" remember that if someone never truly understands islam but is a good person they will still go to heaven. I would say being gay doesn't make you a 'bad person' it just makes you degenerate. the good people trapped in idiocy need islam, of course they are still good people. useful idiots for shaitan if you will

What I am saying is, all this is is a chance/test from allah to give you the opportunity for Dawah!

>>20827

>being gay is bad

No. Performing homosexual acts is bad. Being homosexual means nothing beyond having an attraction to the same sex. If you never act on it, then you've not sinned. It is similar to being heterosexual and being attracted to the opposite sex. In and of itself it is not a sin; but it can lead to sin if acted upon.

>>20829

I personally believe everyone is born bisexual. Everyone is homosexual then.

Having gay thought's doesn't make you gay. You are not gay until you decide to act on them.

>>20820

> as Muslims we don't believe that a proper Muslim believes that his faith is superior to all others, that Allah's laws are superior to all others else why be Muslim at all ?

we believe*

Salaam akhi,

We are currently being enveloped with these influences in the west, so I applaud your willingness to stick to your values in so far as you are conflicted.

Continue your struggle. Do not give into the hive mind. Realize that every society has condemned this act as an abomination for no coincidence. Realize that Allah swt has destroyed nations that have condoned it. Realize that Allah swt tells us that whatever nation condones such practices invites WAR with the All Mighty swt.

The decadence of this period is tempting only because the costs are so well hidden. The next generations pay for their nihilistic hedonism.

>>20791

السلام عليكم اخي

انصحك بتقوية امانك وذلك بالابتعاد عن هؤلا اصدقاك و ان تقوي صلتك با الله سبحانه وذلك با الصلاة و الدعاء خاصة في شهر رمضان

و انصحك ب الزواج من فتاة مسلمة تسترها و تسترك

وان تكون فقط من المدرسة الى المساجد

>>21427

>Homosexuality is a mental illness.

If that's true, then we - as Muslims - must treat them with compassion. I'm always glad to see compassion on /islam/.

>>21438

you wouldn't let a suicidal commit suicide you would tell them that it's wrong and you should never think of doing it.

same thing here

>>21458

I agree 100%. It's just nice to see such compassion for homosexuals on /islam/ rather than the vitriol and roof throwing that happens out in the world.

>>20822

The AIDS legend for the second image is reversed, the third image has it correct brother

>>20822

that's hardly fair, everything south of MENA is kaffir

We all are humans. We all have the ability to do good and do bad. Being good in some aspects doesn't change the whole picture. A person may be a murdering psychopath but he may also be a loving father to his children. A person may be good to animals and at the same time, have no respect for his family. A person can do good things for bad reasons, a person can do bad things for good reasons. At the end of the day, Allah knows what's in our hearts and on the final day of judgement everyone will be judged accordingly.

Everything Allah told us to do is for our own good. Even if those things look good atm, in the long run, things like homosexuality, adultry and overall degeneracy is bad for our society, for us. You might be saying adultry isn't bad at all as long as it's between two consenting adults. But how would you feel if in the future your own daughter got mixed up with the wrong people and that destroyed her life in the process?(God forbid).

There are countless women that live as strippers, drug addicts, social rejects, after years of bed-hopping in their younger years. There are countless people who destroyed their lives after going down the rabbit hole of degeneracy. Sure, there are exceptions, but those exceptions are few and most of those exceptions are because they managed to balance their bad deeds with other bad deeds or they simply had the monetary/social means to keep their necks over the water.

But at the end of the day, this life is temporary. The afterlife on the other hand, is forever. And we should do everything we can to make sure that we're prepared for the afterlife. Because this life, is simply a test.

>>20831

You are creating your own definitions for words that no one but you subscribes to. This is a technique SJWs love to use though it does nothing but cause others to misunderstand you.

>>20791

Why does them being gay have anything to do with you? Are they nice? Then they should be just be fine with accepting you and your beliefs and disagreements. Islam do not just make something haram willy nilly. It's justified. Homosexual are never normal. Have you ever thought of this, if homosex are normal, why is there any need of external medication/tools for it to be safe. If it was natural, evolution would've done it's job way sooner, and somehow allows rectal sex be harmless. Instead nature never bothered, and instead the opposite happen. Did you ever consider this fact? My advice to you, is just keep your faith, if they are indeed nice people, than they should be accepting who you are, and not trying to shove propaganda and bull☻ unto you. And vice-versa and you shouldn't push Islam unto them. If they are curious, fine, discuss, if they don't, then shut up, don't ever bring about it. I don't have gay friends, but I do have non-muslim colleagues. I never argue with them about drinking beer/eating pork, if they asked, I'll answer, heck sometimes there's even banter and we'll just laugh it out but there are times that things get awkward, it's how socializing works. Learn how to socialize with people with different beliefs while keeping your faith in check. I know this is an old thread, I'm just sharing my thoughts. I hope at this time, you are still a muslim.

Grow a pair and get a wife and ignore the homos

>>30376

wannabe hitler

>>20797

>Being sexually attracted to other men isn't a sin, since there's nothing you can do about that.

Men only have this attraction via a disorientation of the mind, if they purify their thoughts it can be neutralized like any other fetish.

>>30381

hardly, that would be an insult to Hitler.

>>30384

Found the kafir

>>30383

Either way, under shariah, if you have gay thoughts but don't act on them then theres no sin. And if you do commit sodomy, and theres evidence, you must repent and be killed to have the biggest chance of be forgiven for that sin, and still die as a muslim.

>>30390

If they repent, they can't be killed. It would be the murder of a believer.

>>30390

lustful thoughts are a sin, that's why we are to avert our eyes even from voluptuous women, the root of sinful action is a sin. don't deny this

>>30394

There is no such thing as a sinful thought fam

>>30393

I don't know about that. IIRC sodomite muslims still have to be killed if they get caught. That will increase their chance of being forgiven. Personally, I would prefer being killed if I was in their place.

>>30394

Lustful thoughts on women are sins yes, and we need to avert our eyes from that. But there's no sin if you have lustful thoughts of men since that is not normal, and you can't be held to account for a disability.

>>30402

>Personally, I would prefer being killed if I was in their place.

>But there's no sin if you have lustful thoughts of men since that is not normal

?????????????????????????????????

That makes no sense. Of course its a sin because those men are lusting over other men and they continue to fuel those thoughts on purpose. If it wasn't a sin it wouldn't deserve punishment, but only treatment or empathy.

> IIRC sodomite muslims still have to be killed if they get caught. That will increase their chance of being forgiven.

And if it's a 'disability' that is involuntary then they can't authentically repent or ask for forgiveness, and killing someone puts them in judgment, they have no space to be forgiven upon death.

What are you? You make no sense.

>>30402

>IIRC sodomite muslims still have to be killed if they get caught.

I've only seen this in Saudi. In my country sodomites are lashed and is send to corrective courses.

>>30410

What country? Very curious.

Also does it allow polygamy?

>>30402

>sodomite muslims still have to be killed if they get caught

If the court deems it so, then so be it. However, if a Muslim is truly repentant, then killing him would be the deliberate killing of a believer, which is punishable by death.

Personally, I don't think homosexuality or any deviant sexual behavior is a matter of nature as some folks would suggest but rather a mental disorder that shouldn't have left the mental disorder grouping in the first place. But throwing them off rooftops or killing them is not a proper way to end this (except the crazies who are willingly spreading HIV as "gifts", the degenerates who wanted to corrupt children etc….those folks needed to be remove for the safety of the public). They are human beings after all (except those I mentioned earlier) who are being misguided by the "free and open" lifestyle of the West and needed to be brought back to right path.

>>30415

Fair enough.

>>30409

https://islamqa.info/en/38622

>>30415

that map is a meme, no other source shows this info, very suspicious

>>30422

https://islamqa.info/en/27176

"Nevertheless the door is open for sinners to repent, and Allaah rejoices at their repentance. "

A homosexual can repent. To kill the repentant is to kill a believer, which is a crime punishable by death.

>>30426

Yes, we could have them repent except the nutters. You know the ones…the bug chasers. There's no bringing them back.

>>30412

Malaysia. Yes.

>>30422

>https://islamqa.info/en/38622

Not exactly one of their more politically correct articles…

>>30432

My Malaysian brother! But yeah, we do lashings (and here's hoping the new government doesn't lay waste to the bed and screw it up) and yes, we also do polygamy but trust me, it ain't all harems and such. Have fun paying out your pocket for two houses and such.

>>30438

Salam brother. Glad to meet you.

>(and here's hoping the new government doesn't lay waste to the bed and screw it up)

I'm actually kinda nervous about the new government. It's just, their party consist of LGBT, Sisters in Islam activist and secularist. And they have been quite vocal regarding anything Islam related this past few month. Not to mention the backlash of the recent lashing and the liberal western media are already pressuring for acceptance. And their (the activists and secularist) lawyers have been quite vocal in abolishing the sharia/islamic courts and law for quite sometimes now. I just hope the conservatives in the party will fight for Islam and their rights in the country and Madey's to be his old red-pilled self.

>>30458

I think I knew the type back in my college days. I really do hope the conservatives would fight for Islam, brother. But the inner petty side of myself wants me to call up my college buddies and go all "This thing happening right now? All on your heads. You made your own burial plots…and go lay in it."

And to be honest, Madey should've known what he's doing is going to be a train wreck.

>>30458

Relying on politicians to defend islam will only end in disappointment.

>>30459

What can we do, the other party is being lead by a thief, the other has zero winning chance. I told my friends to be careful who to vote for, but they wanted to bring down that thief and be hopeful that parliament will just ignore these push. But even I know it's going to be hard, when the parliament has more activist and secularist and Madey's daughter is even one of them. It's like these people didn't even consider that particular fact. If it did someday got legalized in this country, I don't know what to do.

>>30505

I know. But what can we do. If we speak up, liberals and atheist will just scream, intolerence, bigoted, or religion is archaic, "sky daddy" something-something. And the liberal media would just put even more pressure on the politicians to yield to them. Add to that the other races in this country lately are against islam. Just yesterday the one state government has expanded the list of people that can receive zakat to gays and trans. Some has suggested that it's a right move to bring back people into islam. Some has brought up a few issues like some trans used that money for surgery. I don't know brother, there seems to be no stopping this.

>I'm left-wing and well read in philosophy

That's your problem. Knowing two line of Marx/Kant doesn't make you a wise person. Islam is a tradition, so it's on the right of conservatism. Being on the left and being a muslim shows that you don't understand tradition. If you're a lefty, you're for communism, you're for abortion, you're for none respect of border, you're an internationalist, you're for sexual revolution, you're an hedonist, you're against weapon carry etc.. Everything that is against any tradition, therefore against islam.

>I have some homosexual friends

That's the second and biggest problem. The position of islam on homosexual is clear: they're banned from society. No one should talk to them. Now, you're not in an islamic country, so you shall only talk to gay people professionaly, but never ever have them as friend.

Having them as friend is what drived you to this point. Human nature is such feable that it will immitate the behavior of its surrounding. So that's totaly normal for you to being a leftie pro sexual revolution if you have friends following this path.

If you don't make change in your life, you should question even your belonging to islam. Do you even pray?

>>30522

>Zakat to gay and trans

…That tears it. What in the name of all that is good were they thinking? Goodness, is it just me or liberalism is the source of these mental disorders?

>>30522

I rather have the "thief" running the country. At least he tried to stem the tide of liberal bull hockey. At least our country was moving forward while stemming the bullhockey.

>>30522

I'm recommending you to not vote, since it is shirk and brings no benefit to islam. The only solution is force. For if you can't defend yourself and your religion, your entire country will fall to corruption of liberalism.

>>30409

Being a sodomite is not the same as being gay, it requires that you act on your urges.

>>30539

They've explained it by saying it's a way to bring back these people (gays and trans) back into islam by showing how caring and helpful we are or something. There was backlash to that. Some mufti even released videos to explain that decision.The problem is, what of the poor? They're speaking as if there are extra zakat money in some bank that they have that they can give to these "victimized" peoples. Then shouldn't they gave those money to the rightful poor instead. There are still poor people in this country that didn't get their zakat because either the procedure is too slow and people just gave up to apply for it or the "degree of poor-ness" that allows to get zakat is not clear and sometimes inconsistent. They should've prioritized on fixing that first.

>>30540

The thief got caught red handed. There's no way he can ran from it forever. You know what's funny though, the thief's punishment, despite stole billions, is just a small fine of 40,000 malaysian ringgit. He even escaped prison sentence.

>>30553

There's one party that fights for islam. The last election there are 3 parties involved. It's impossible for them to win, since they don't have any people in their party to represent the other 2 major races in this country.

I can feel that one day they'll bow down to the pressure. If it does come to that, I don't know what to do or feel. Part of me wants to fight for islam, part of me still thinks there are still solutions. In my opinion, I think best way is to just allow gay marriages but restrict it to just non-muslims in this country and pull. We have done so in the past with liquor and gambling. But part of me thinks that these activist won't stop whining until ALL of us bows down to their every whims. It's hard, brothers. Day by day I see religion being scraped off of people's heart made my heart sank and made me loose sleep thinking about it.

>>30566

>But part of me thinks that these activist won't stop whining until ALL of us bows down to their every whims.

This is what they want to do, give them an inch, they will take a mile. There's no pleasing them. The kuffar want to impose their deen (way of life) upon you until they make you leave Islam if they are able.

He says الحكيم الخبير :

(2:217)

…Disbelief in God is worse than committing murder. (The pagans) will keep fighting you until they make you give up your religion if they are able …

(60:2)

If they gain dominance over you, they would be to you as enemies and extend against you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they wish you would disbelieve.

Dear brother, I tell you this out of love. Stay out of shirki politics. And inshaAllah our countries will be free of liberalism and kufr, we just need to put the effort in first and upon Allah swt is the rest. Do dawah, explain muslims their religion and what tawheed means. It also means following the shariah completely, not part of it nor secularism.

>>30566

Brother…no, don't allow them to have any. You give them one measly inch…and they will want miles and miles until it's all theirs. Liquor and gambling, sure…it's fair but opening gay marriage to non-muslims? You can bet that a lot of "liberal" Muslims are going to jump ship. Better to have none of their filth than lose our misguided brothers and sisters to degeneracy.

And like I said before, better have a "thief" (can't cast judgement fore I know not the truth) than a degenerate at the helm.

I dislike LGBT as much as the next person, and Muslim countries really need to do something about the apostates promoting it, but I feel like a lot of western Muslim "activists" or whatever they're called, just go after it because they're still a relatively easy target. You don't risk that much by speaking about a bunch of teens and their views on gender. But aren't there more important topics? At the end of the day why do we even care if westerners want to become lgbt? For example there's a huge issue with the parenting methods of the Muslim community that is clearly causing people to leave Islam, yet no one seems to touch upon this since now you'd risk upsetting the older generation of the community.