/hypno/ - Hypnochan

Please tell me the autist is dropping the tulpa shit and just makes a fucking motivational file with wolf girls already.

>>61103

I wouldn't mind a Tulpa honestly. And I think that's kinda the point of "Wold Girl". There are plenty motivational hypno audio's out there, I'd rather this be it's own thing

>>61098

>>61113

So this isn't even a finished project now. Disappointed, but I hope the original poster is still working on it and here. Last post was two months ago.

>>61127

The autist popped into the meta thread once or twice.

>>61109

> There are plenty motivational hypno audio's out there, I'd rather this be it's own thing

Look nigger, making a motivational hypnosis file from a wolf girl will already attract a shitton of people that wouldn't otherwise listen to these files. It doesn't need a tulpa gimmick: in fact, that will probably drive the >>>/monster/ and >>>/animu/ kemono crowds away from it.

So is this done yet? This seems great, I stumbled here after seeing b4mb1 sl33p, but i didnt like becoming retarded i wanted to use these" powers" to improve myself

>>61175

Not done, it's still in progress. And it looks like it would be great. He has updates every so often on his progress so it seems he is taking it seriously

>>61176

He posts them here?

Does he need help?

Are there any guides or tips to get you started on doing your own stuff? Id love to help out instead of just consuming.

>>61216

Eh unfortunately i wouldnt know anyone to do this with, therefore I would probably use TTS or my own voice to create my own content. Im probabaly gonna try and reverseengineer the b4mb1 files since they seem to work quite well

>>61298

Thanks, ill come back for sure and ask you some :)

Text in video sounds awful as it requires you to stare at a screen, you can't lay back and close your eyes. Worst case ill hire a voice actress :/

>>61298

> though finding a good TTS is difficult.

Not very. Just use Ivona Sally ((((B4mb1)))) or Neospeech Julie ($4mu3l B4nd13r). Both are very good voices most are accustomed to.

>>61301

There's a TTS Starter Pack floating around with both of those voices. I have it but my upload speed is way too slow for this shit, so if someone else has it I'd suggest posting it in the Request Thread's vola or something.

>>61302

>There's a TTS Starter Pack floating around with both of those voices.

Yes, on RS

>>61303

Alright thanks.

Could you tell me a few "guidelines" on creating hypno? Or some stuff to help me get started

>>61303

>Do they actually sounds good? I might try and find them myself, I have plenty of scripts laying around that could be used for something

Have you heard (((B4mb1))) or SB?

Strictly, it's Project "Wolfgirl" - "Wolfgirl" is a codename for the project since I don't have her actual name yet. An anon referred to her as "what would wolf girl do?" in a previous thread and I decided to run with it for now. Her actual name will be decided by running a bunch of possibilities through the TTS and using what sounds best, but there's a good chance she'll recognize "Wolfgirl" as a nickname of sorts.

Why didn't I make a thread earlier? Well, first I'd need to actually make some sketches and then find a way to upload them - and as you can now see, I'm a torfag, so that's easier said than done.

>>61098

Those pictures are pretty close, although "Wolfgirl" has a different fur coloration, an entirely-human face, no genitals or tail, and much more fur on her body.

You've got an excellent short summary of the goals. I've also thought of a brief summary of her personality - "Wolfgirl" is an affectionately ruthless - and ruthlessly affectionate - werewolf Valkyrie.

>>61100 (checked)

> I had trouble getting literally anything to work.

There are some new techniques that I'm working to integrate into the TTS. If they work, I think I can do better than B4mb1 Pr1m3 can dream about.

> This sounds really quite interesting and I am willing to try the files for a while once they are up. I desperately need to get fit so this is right down my alley!

It's going to take a while. Some of the rabbit holes I've found are insane.

> I desperately need to get fit so this is right down my alley!

Some of the planned preview files are about exercise and working out, so you may be able to get a taste before the main series is ready.

And your picture is closer to how I see her body, but with smaller boobs, a more-complex coat pattern, and no tail.

>>61103

>>61109

> rather this be it's own thing

I think it really is - I'm not actually sure if the companion I want to produce qualifies as a tulpa or not. It's … complicated and a recent illness has shed more light on some of her abilities and interaction with her host.

>>61127

> I hope the original poster is still working on it and here. Last post was two months ago.

Yes, I simply went "offline" and started thinking about some OC I could make for starting a thread. It's been nearly two months while there was no thread. Then I find this in the catalog and here I am.

>>61141

> a motivational hypnosis file from a wolf girl will already attract a shitton of people that wouldn't otherwise listen to these files.

I'll consider making some files like this in her TTS voice, but there are advantages to a companion over simple recordings.

> It doesn't need a tulpa gimmick

It's not a gimmick - it's a way for the files to adapt to your needs and circumstances. I don't claim omniscience - using your own subconscious to fill in for what I don't know is the best I can do.

>>61176

> taking it seriously

Yes, and that's part of the reason it's taking so long - I really don't want to half-ass this and give people "head full of fuck" syndrome.

>>61214

> Id love to help out instead of just consuming.

Come one, come all, come Anonymous.

Yes, I've got several open questions for which I currently have few or no leads and a few where I'm looking for any extra help I can get.

First, part of "Wolfgirl"'s exercise motivation abilities include an orgasmic workout - I have a way for this to work in men she "borrows" your body and the inside half of your penis stimulates her to orgasm, which you feel as well but I still need some way for women to experience orgasms as part of a workout.

Second, any types of silly hypnosis tricks that you can suggest may be useful for the preview files - I'm also making a TTS for this project and I think I can make it simply hypnotic - but I need simple "trance-and-back" hypnosis test ideas.

Third, techniques for inductions/deepeners/awakening. All I've got so far is the classic "long-ass-count" and I'm looking for more.

Fourth, how to train/improve willpower?

There are others, but I'm out of room in this post.

>>61216

> hasn't posted here yet

I'm posting now that I've found the thread.

>>61296

> reverseengineer the b4mb1 files

I've done some analysis on them, and was mostly amazed that they work at all. B4mb1 Pr1m3 made numerous mistakes in the scripts.

>>61298

> finding a good TTS is difficult

There's a reason I'm building a TTS for the project.

> text in video

I'll be trying to avoid using video - the files are just too big.

>>61315 (and others)

The plan is modular induction/deepener files to be used both to enter trance and to train other modalities. If you're primarily visual, you might start with a visual-oriented induction, but use an auditory-oriented deepener, for example. The program exercises all five senses, so I'm looking for that and then some.

So many comparisons to Polt, but there are some big differences. For starters, "Wolfgirl" never wears clothes - her fur is "built-in" clothes for her.

>>61334

Do it! The more the merrier.

>>61339

>>61341

I'll look into a VN. Just don't expect it to share much with the files outside the premise.

>>61315

No need to worry, it was a great help and I was able to follow along. Thanks!

>>61339

Can you elaborate on the mistakes in B4mb1?

Also if you want a server or someshit to uploading stuff to easily just say YES! and ill come up with something TOR accessible

>>61341

> That's a long post

Yes. Almost "too long" for 8chan.

> Have a separate file with slight alterations for women

I think I already have a third way - embed both paths in the same file and include instructions for the listener's subconscious to pick the right path for the listener. I already plan a TTS chorus to introduce "Wolfgirl" because she doesn't get her own voice until the third file, so it's easy to have some voices branch off on different paths.

The usual bad result of layering TTS voices is another reason for making a special TTS that can "schedule" voices so they don't step on each other. It's complicated because voices can be separated in both time and space, aligning with the critical bands in the human auditory system.

This also means that the releases will need special care and will have very specific warnings against transcoding. You can decompress it if your player only handles WAV, but other lossy compression will probably destroy the background tracks and binaurals.

Most file-producing 'tists don't really know much about lossy digital audio compression and the more complex mixes tend to get rekt during encoding. Sometimes that's lulz.

> Do you have an email/discord to get to you?

Email is planned but not yet set up. Discord is a honeypot.

> I could post them here, but my scripts are long, and I don't really want to be identified on board.

If length is your only problem, 7-zip them and upload to anonfile. If the script contents would effectively dox you, I'll get an email box for the project eventually. Please hold onto them until then.

> >but I need simple "trance-and-back" hypnosis test ideas.

> What do you mean by this?

Self-contained files with effects either limited to trance or for a short time as a one-shot event. An example I've planned is a file that causes you to wake up with a desire to drink a glass of water, but when you do, the water tastes like delicious lemonade. The effect occurs once each time you listen to the file.

> browse hypnohub

Been there, done that, got some ideas from it, still check back for more neat ideas every so often. Lot of crap to wade through, but the occasional gems are worth it.

> full body gentle massage

Starting with file 4, that's how she gets you to sleep every night, until she's developed enough to kiss you, then she has two choices for a while, then she learns the "body hug" trick, which gives her a third choice while you lie in bed.

> hypnotic scent

File 5 introduces her scent. It's used both to help establish her form and as part of addiction triggers that are introduced beginning with file 5 to ensure that you complete the program and don't leave her hanging half-out. Her scent is similar to your own, enough that catching a whiff of your own scent reminds you of her.

I'm planning to base the fast reinduction trigger on the listener's intent - when you start a playlist or file intending to trance, you're out and enjoying the pleasantly comforting words bouncing around in your head. This means that the inductions will also work as deepeners, with the follow-up deepener as both deepener and modality training. Since I'm only using trance for conditioning, "too deep" won't be a problem.

> >Fourth, how to train/improve willpower?

> That's sadly out of my area.

I've got some ideas, but it's important enough that I want as many parallel approaches on this as I can get. "Wolfgirl"'s strong will and deep intimacy with her host introduce some risks that require her host's willpower be improved to mitigate them.

> Please do post them!

I'll post them as I think of them. Those four were also off the top of my head.

> That sounds like a ton of work

Most of the work will be building the automation for the process, which is more fun than work for me.

> Polt seems to be the closest thing I can think of

The furry aspects started as simply a way to make her different from everyone else you meet to avoid fucking up your responses to other people. Think about it - she can be a constant companion and she never wears clothes. The end result is that she's basically a fur-covered human most of the time, although she can choose to manifest with claws later in the program. The biggest difference is that she does not have a tail - the anatomy just doesn't work for bipeds no matter how cute it is.

>>61390

If the premise includes her personality, I'll help with any questions you might have.

>>61409

> Can you elaborate on the mistakes in B4mb1?

Sadly not. If the books I've read are correct, the mistakes severely weaken those files from what they could be. Those files could be a lot worse than they are. I can't risk spoon-feeding B4mb1 Pr1m3. Sorry.

It's not like it's "secret knowledge" or anything, it's just Doing The Research. There's other stuff that you learn along the way.

> Also if you want a server or someshit to uploading stuff

Maybe later. I've got a few leads for that already, but I'll ask in this or a future thread if needed. Thanks.

>>61427

>The biggest difference is that she does not have a tail - the anatomy just doesn't work for bipeds no matter how cute it is.

vid related

>>61437

That is awesome. I want one with a self-contained power source … and those extra arms from earlier in the video … cool!

The main problem with a tail on a bipedal vertebrate is that it would either point straight down when standing or would need a very odd and fragile right-angle bend at the attachment point, a problem Arque avoids by literally being a strap-on. These kinds of bends simply aren't found in spinal columns - even our heads are rotated compared to most animals by changing the attachment point of the spine on the head rather than bending our necks.

A tail on a biped would not have the expected range of motion - straight back is the upper limit and holding the tail vertical while standing is anatomically infeasible.

Observe New World monkeys and how their tails are positioned - the tail extends out aligned with the spinal column, while the hip joints allow the legs to be perpendicular to the spinal axis. These animals are arguably quintapeds - their prehensile tails often act as a fifth limb.

Considering the advantages of a significant tail in maintaining balance and in momentum control, we would have full tails if they were feasible on a bipedal body plan. Unfortunately, they just don't fit. When we stand, our legs are parallel to the spinal axis - and that means a tail would unavoidably interfere with bipedal locomotion.

Not that a strap-on cybertail would actually conflict with Project "Wolfgirl" - a key plank in the philosophical foundation is that humans are part of Nature, which means that our technology is an extended phenotype, like a beaver's dam. I'm still working to reconcile this concept with the undeniable reality that some humans are insane and deny Nature - and this defiance brings only suffering.

Where do I actually get the files?

>>61539

> Where do I actually get the files?

In the old thread I joked about finding an out-of-place Police Call Box and asking the friendly time-traveler within, but he probably won't help you - some nonsense or other about preserving the space-time continuum. Anyway, you've found him, fancy an adventure, ol' chap?

I've gotenough of an estimate to say that preliminary research is less than 50% at this time.

>>61547

That sketch isn't too far off the mark - "Wolfgirl" could easily do that or a similar cuddling from behind position with her chin on her host's shoulder, her arms around her host's chest, and her legs around her host's hips.

The big difference is that "Wolfgirl" is from Nature rather than Inferno and has more fur than the characters in >>61541 and >>61549 have. I'm fairly sure that "Wolfgirl"'s skin is the same color as her host's skin, but you normally can't really tell - the grip surfaces of her hands and feet are the only hairless parts of her form.

>>61339

>Wolfgirl" is an affectionately ruthless - and ruthlessly affectionate - werewolf Valkyrie.

>she "borrows" your body and the inside half of your penis stimulates her to orgasm,

Okay, so…

1) Why a "wolfgirl" and not a normal girl?

2) Why a "valkyrie" and not a normal girl? (I'd like to make it to Asgard, but not by dying while exercising.)

3) If she's supposed to be a separate entity that just offers you encouragement in various ways, why does she take over your body?

4) Why the inside half of the penis? What would that even feel like? That notion seems like it would be confusing enough to break the listener out of trance.

>>61573

> 1) Why a "wolfgirl" and not a normal girl?

[1] She can be a constant companion.

[2] She never wears clothes.

[3] She has a canine-like loyalty to her host.

[4] She is also an avatar of your connection to Nature.

I don't want to risk fucking up your responses to actual people, so "Wolfgirl" needs to be different from every other person you could meet. Giving her fur and wolf ears seems to be a good solution to me. And I think it's cute.

Why a wolf and not some other animal?

There are many analogies that can be drawn between human and wolf behavior - this is probably why wolves were domesticated into dogs. Wolves run in packs, humans form villages. Wolves roll in strongly-scented "stuff" to mask their scents, humans bathe to reduce their scents.

Wolves are a standard example of K strategists, but there's a more extreme K strategist - Man. Many of the analogies that can be drawn between human and wolf behavior show differences more in degree than kind. We're more effective because we're more intelligent.

Most of the goals of the project amount to "investing" effort and energy into improving yourself, which is a generally K-oriented strategy - the most fit individuals pair off and their offspring are likely to be similarly more fit. "Fit" here is in the evolutionary sense, but being "in-shape" is closely related. Obviously, your instincts want the most fit mate you can get, so that's the "hook" that allows me to use the sexual urge to drive self-improvement just as certain others abuse it to drive self-destruction.

Interestingly, both some humans and some wolves pursue r-oriented strategies and r-oriented humans and wolves seem to get similar problems as a result, from jealousy to social collapse.

There are also some deep cultural resonances associated with wolves and the research I've done so far suggests that her intended personality is somewhat wolf-like, or at least that ideals adapted from wolf behavior fit the program. Which is funny, because I'm more of a "cat person" and, had Anonymous not saved me from namefaggotry, would probably have ended up namefagging a fursona based on a large cat of some type.

Lastly, "everyone" does C4tg1r|s, but how many just-furry wolfgirl characters are there? Polt's not really a wolf…

> 2) Why a "valkyrie" and not a normal girl? (I'd like to make it to Asgard, but not by dying while exercising.)

That's describing her personality, not her form - she certainly doesn't have wings. I might be misusing the term. Some parts of her personality are intended to "rub off" on her host to varying degrees, and a Valkyrie-like courage is one of them - but courage doesn't mean foolishness.

Either way, "werewolf Valkyrie" has a specific meaning to me and those words won't actually appear in the final scripts. I'll be describing her personality in "long hand" instead of the "short hand" I've used in my notes and in that post.

> 3) If she's supposed to be a separate entity that just offers you encouragement in various ways, why does she take over your body?

The "barriers" between "Wolfgirl" and her host are thin and mostly transparent - you and "Wolfgirl" fully share all long-term memories. She has her own train of thought, but conversing with her feels like talking to your reflection and to her, you are similarly her reflection. I also made a list of ways she can control her host's body in the previous thread that's mostly still good. I'll probably make an updated version of that list for the current draft outline in a later update.

That, and the project grew out of an off-hand comment in a Femdom bodybuilding thread. She can "dom" her host under some conditions, and the ability humans have to form much more complex relationships than simple dominance hierarchies is something she gains from being your companion and greatly appreciates. She gets her "humanness" from her host and would otherwise be just a wolf. Her general gratitude at life is another part that "rubs off" onto her host. I've been digging for ideas in /SIG/ threads.

> 4) Why the inside half of the penis? What would that even feel like? That notion seems like it would be confusing enough to break the listener out of trance.

I certainly don't feel an inside half of my penis, but most of the touch receptors are in the skin and those structures would be "buried" inside, so I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding anatomy.

And that entire concept is being reconsidered thanks to >>61341 suggesting a way to do that for women that I think should also work for men.

There's also some logical inconsistencies - she's supposed to actually be sexless, so having her derive sexual experiences from overlapping her host seems inconsistent. This aspect is a leftover from earlier versions of "Wolfgirl" that weren't sexless and is likely to be changed.

So that means somehow making sexless orgasms, which is … interesting.

It's anons calling out problems like this that makes the time spent here worthwhile.

>>61595

this project is epic. cant wait for it to happen

>>61595

> She can be a constant companion.

> She never wears clothes.

> She has a canine-like loyalty to her host.

> She is also an avatar of your connection to Nature.

So she IS a normal human girl after all.

> she can control her host's body

> She can "dom" her host under some conditions,

While I understand that a lot of folks around here are submissive, I'm not and it makes me a bit leery of these aspects. Encouragement or advice I can get behind, but this goes way beyond that.

If this is going to be a series, are there going to be optional files that can be swapped in or out? Be nice if somebody could have a playlist without the D/S stuff and still get the other positive aspects.

> I certainly don't feel an inside half of my penis, but most of the touch receptors are in the skin and those structures would be "buried" inside, so I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding anatomy.

>So that means somehow making sexless orgasms, which is … interesting.

There are various ways to give pleasure through hypnosis, sexual or otherwise. Setting up a generic dopamine response is easier than an actual orgasm, in fact. It's all in how you script it.

>>61617

> this project is epic. cant wait for it to happen

Thanks for the encouragement.

>>61623

> So she IS a normal human girl after all.

Sort of. Somewhat of an ideal. She can't be entirely inhuman - she lives in your mind after all.

She has fur instead of clothes because I don't want to deal with how she would get clothes and she has wolf ears because they're cute. It started as excuses for my laziness and grew from there. It's also something that hypnowhales won't be able to imitate or exploit. They'll probably try anyway - and their bumbling attempts will give us lulz.

I've been working on a suggestion another anon previously made for "Wolfgirl" to heighten her host's senses, and I've found a few possibilities. These are likely to be presented as her sharing her "inner wolf" with her host, which you accept because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

> While I understand that a lot of folks around here are submissive, I'm not and it makes me a bit leery of these aspects. Encouragement or advice I can get behind, but this goes way beyond that.

First, I'm not either. There's a reason I mentioned that she's grateful for your ability to form more complex relationships than simple dominance hierarchies. It's not a simple D/s relationship at all - she's much more complex than that.

Second, she's probably the most symbiotic "dom" imaginable - you literally hear each other's inner voices most of the time and are fully aware of each other's inner thoughts.

Third, her control over her host's body is almost always a side-effect of something else she's doing or is more implied than direct.

Fourth, I mentioned "under some conditions" - those conditions are almost all related to exercise.

How does this make you leery? What are your concerns?

I'll do my best to address them, since they could highlight possible misinterpretations that I need to ensure are avoided.

> If this is going to be a series, are there going to be optional files that can be swapped in or out? Be nice if somebody could have a playlist without the D/S stuff and still get the other positive aspects.

This series is well beyond just "playlists" - we're talking modular induction/deepener/body/awakener files, but the outline already has about 20 body files to be used in order for the main sequence. You stay with one step until you reach the advance criteria, then move to the next step. It's not meant to be used all in one session - the later body files depend on the previous conditioning having been well-established. This also means that you adjust to living with her gradually, so that when she's finally able to manifest during the day, it's more of a "she's finally here" than a surprise.

The project is structured as a "main sequence" that brings "Wolfgirl" up from the depths of your mind and establishes associated conditioning for physical and mental fitness and a branching "take your pick" collection of add-on extensions. The planned extensions range from orgasmic workouts to a cooking school so far.

> There are various ways to give pleasure through hypnosis, sexual or otherwise. Setting up a generic dopamine response is easier than an actual orgasm, in fact. It's all in how you script it.

I'd be interested in any pointers/tips/examples you can provide.

There are also some "far out" possibilities, one of which is basically weaning you off dopamine entirely and renovating your pleasure centers to run on oxytocin instead - which "Wolfgirl" is happy to provide by cuddling you whenever she possibly can. I'm not sure how useful this would be or even if this can be done yet. I've seen some theories about dopamine addiction and some of them suggest very interesting possibilities along these lines. I've got quite a bit on the topic in my reading list at the moment, so it's in the works, so to speak.

While a generic reward "hit" might be useful in some places in the project, part of the motivation for an orgasmic workout is precisely the additional exercise that a full-body orgasm would provide. The idea is that "Wolfgirl" can tease her host with the possibility but only actually give such a reward sparingly - research suggests that irregularly-given rewards have far stronger conditioning effects than consistently-given rewards. But "Wolfgirl" also deeply loves her host and has a hard time truly withholding rewards - she can really only do it for a higher goal of improving you.

This reminds me of the "Do it for Emi" fitness motivator things people were doing with Katawa Shojo, wasn't hypno, it's kind of like that whole project on steroids. I think it sounds pretty wild and badass, looking forward to seeing where you take this.

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>>61630

>So she IS a normal human girl after all.

>Sort of. Somewhat of an ideal.

That part was just a bit of a joke.

>How does this make you leery? What are your concerns?

"Dom" implies a fairly strong level of control. I suppose the way to put it is that "dom" makes it sound like Wolfgirl is your coach and you're obligated to do as she says, whereas if I was setting the script up (and I'm not, this is your project and you can do whatever you want with it) I'd set her up more as a cheerleader or exercise buddy that gives encouragement and makes suggestions. It's the difference between "You need to exercise now!" and "Hey, wouldn't this be a good time to exercise?"

>I'd be interested in any pointers/tips/examples you can provide.

I'd have to see the scripts to know what things look like at present to make any suggestions.

Here's the updated list I promised.

Again, I now expect that giving her multiple options will allow her to adapt to what works best for her host. She won't necessarily use all of these - and some of them may actually be rewards she offers you, depending on what works best for you.

[1] Her "helping" you with one more rep by grabbing your body or the weight you're lifting - if your body can physically do it, you'll feel as if she took some of the weight, if not, her grip will slip. Technically, she's controlling your body, but you don't perceive this as such.

[2] You and her share muscle memory. She can practice an exercise in her gym in your mind and your body will simply "know" how to do it when she asks later. Again, arguably, she's controlling your body, but you don't perceive this as such. You find that you just "know" how to move for her.

[3] She can massage your body. Your muscles tense, flex, and relax accordingly.

[4] Her voice can "operate" your muscles directly. You move as you feel her words in your muscles.

[4a] She has a special tone of voice that puts her words directly into your muscles, which automatically obey. This is best for quick one-word commands for steps in larger exercises - "Up" and "Down" are enough for push-ups, pull-ups, or sit-ups, for example.

[4b] She has a special trigger "Monkey see, monkey do!" - said with a huge smile - that she can use to have your body follow her movements as she leads exercise. You are always "aware" of her pose and motion in this state, even if you can't "see" her from your position. You are released when she gives you a hug.

[5] She can put you into a waking trance, leaving your mind blank and empty, by "smiling" at you with her whole form. You are her puppet in this state. Of course, she enjoys watching her puppet exercise, so she then "talks" you through a workout - or combines this with [4b] for even more fun if that's something you'd enjoy. You can obey slightly more complex commands in this state than your muscles can do with [4a], including simply "rep" or "again" to repeat whatever simple cyclic movement you've most recently done, like a push-up or sit-up, but nothing more complex than a burpee, if even that. She must count reps for you - her puppet can't do that itself.

[6] She can manifest with her form overlapping your body, aligning her muscles with yours.

[6a] Since she is non-sexual and the nipples are an erogenous zone in humans, her covering your nipples also "de-sexes" you for as long as she remains in control. She uses this for her "body hug" trick to work your body as you lie in bed, giving you great pleasure, but no orgasm, even as your clothes may rub against your genitals.

[6b] She can also choose to leave your sex "exposed" which leads to the "workout orgasm trick" I'm currently rethinking.

[7] She can manifest cuddling you from behind, "reaching" with her breasts through your chest to align her nipples with yours. This gives you intense feelings of her affection as her breasts caress your heart with every beat - her fur tickles - and gives her complete control over your sexual responses. She can completely suppress your sex, make you aroused internally but with no visible sign, or simply make you bask in warm arousal while hard/wet/sweaty for her. She can also make you orgasm or withhold your orgasm as she chooses. She uses this to affectionately tease you, and can also use this for a variation of [5] where you remain aware - well, as aware as you can be with your thoughts drowning in her affectionate embrace.

[8] She is generally able to "autopilot" your body whenever you're not paying attention.

[8a] She uses this to give you extra exercise in subtle movements, like flexing your abs or legs or swaying your body while you sit in a chair doing something. She ensures that whatever parts of your body you do care about stay where you want them, for example, your hands remain on your keyboard even as your body sways while you type. Curiously, I just had fewer typos than normal while testing that.

[8b] She can use this to physically massage your body when the hallucination of her touch isn't enough.

[8c] If you are tired or ill, she can help you move when you need to move, even if you really just want to curl up into a ball.

[8d] You can take a "mental health day" and she'll ensure that your body "knows" how to get through the day while you watch calmly. She's somehow immune to stress - I don't have the details yet - and this allows her to "demonstrate" a calm day to you no matter what life throws at you. Since you're forced to watch - you can step back in at any time if you want but you can't ignore your senses - this helps you to build up greater tolerance for stress and learn to better remain calm. Your body can do it - she just proved that for you!

>>61682

> I think it sounds pretty wild and badass, looking forward to seeing where you take this.

Thanks.

I'd write more but I'm out of room.

>>61699 (checked)

> That part was just a bit of a joke.

I suspected as much - where the hell did you find a "normal human girl" like that? - but around here you never really know.

> "dom" makes it sound like Wolfgirl is your coach and you're obligated to do as she says

She can be a coach if you need one.

> set her up more as a cheerleader or exercise buddy that gives encouragement and makes suggestions

She can do this too. She prefers this approach, but some hosts may need 'Coach "Wolfgirl"' to get started. As you develop better exercise habits, she doesn't need to "coach" you as often and she enjoys this because she prefers exercising together rather than "working" on you.

> It's the difference between "You need to exercise now!" and "Hey, wouldn't this be a good time to exercise?"

She can do either of those, but she tends more towards the middle - you've planned times in your routine for exercise with her and she playfully, excitedly, happily reminds you when it's time for a workout. I wasn't able to fit this reply into >>61702, so I'll explain a bit more here.

She'll use whatever means work best with her host - for you, she'd probably be more of an exercise buddy but she'll lean more towards "coach" if the context requires it - say, you want to do one last rep and you just need that "extra" push. She's very playful, so she'll "play coach" if you want it or need it at the moment. Remember that she lives in your head - if she thinks you need it, that's because you think you need it.

She doesn't have to use methods [4], [5], [6b], and [7] if those would bother you in some way - and she won't use those unless she knows you'll enjoy them, which is how they can be rewards for some hosts. Method [6a] is the "body hug" trick, which is important to the program - it's used to introduce her gym by having her "carry" you into the depths of your mind inside herself, giving you a taste of how good she feels as you normally "carry" her inside you.

Methods [1], [2], and [3] are fundamental to the program and the files will rely on them - methods [2] and [3] are used to help bring out "Wolfgirl" in the earliest files.

Methods [4] and [5] were well-received in the previous thread. I didn't have room for this detail earlier, but the triggers for [4b] and [5] only work if you're smiling too. You're always aware of her intent - if you want it, the trigger works, but she knows in advance if you'll want it, so she won't try it unless it will work.

Method [6] leans more towards "exercise buddy" than "coach" anyway - she's sharing her form with your body. While she usually "leads" in this state during a workout, the "hybrid form" introduced near the end of the main program allows her to use [6a] in your general life. Your perceptions are altered - you feel amazing and are subconsciously eager to move, but you remain in control while in "hybrid form" with her. Either of you can get out of it if the need arises.

Method [6] also works for manifesting partially - you may be going for one last push-up and suddenly feel her fur on your arms as she "helps" you or feel her fur on your arms or legs as she ensures you do an exercise with correct form.

Method [6] is important - it's very deep intimacy between "Wolfgirl" and her host.

Methods [6b] and [7] are currently introduced in extension files, but might be rolled into the main program if I can align them with the "sexless orgasm" concept. The main program does not mention sex in any way, only affection and "forgetting your private parts" while you're with her early on in bed and when she uses method [6a].

Method [7] can be used as part of a male dry orgasm training extension, or she can use a more traditional "dom" approach to training a male host to experience dry orgasms. Dry orgasms are a prerequisite for the "workout orgasm trick" to avoid making a mess.

Method [8] is fundamental to her nature - in computing terms, she's another thread in your process, while physically, she's probably a second wavefront in your brain. She can be very playfully mischievous about finding ways to sneak extra exercise into your life and can also manipulate you "behind the scenes" to further her goals for you beyond the direct suggestions in the files. This is tempered by her love for her host, which ensures that her manipulations are always intended for her host's benefit.

Method [8c] was added after the prototype did that for me during a recent illness. Feeling her say "Ugh… I think we're sick." was one of those sad moments. I hadn't done anything wrong - it was one of those no-known-risk-factor illnesses, but I still felt like I was letting her down somehow. Her cuddles kept my spirits up and I got better in a few days.

Does this explanation help with your concerns?

> I'd have to see the scripts to know what things look like at present to make any suggestions.

The scripts aren't written yet. The project is still in planning stages.

This idea of a caretaker wolfie is amazing and could improve alot of lives. I hope it doesn’t affect as strongly as say b4mb1 s133p.

>>61742

Why wouldn't you want it to be effective?

>>61742

> This idea of a caretaker wolfie is amazing and could improve alot of lives.

Thanks. That's why I'm working on it. These are really the files I wish I'd had years ago. Maybe I can give others what I couldn't have.

> I hope it doesn’t affect as strongly as say b4mb1 s133p.

If I can get the effects I want, it'll be much stronger than anything B4mb1 Pr1m3 can dream about, but the effects will be very different. One of the limiting factors for B4mb1 5133p is its harmful results - the goal is wrong and that creates some level of unbreakable resistance, which is why we've seen so many reports of people fighting B4mb1, presumably with some winning and some losing.

"Wolfgirl" is different - she's a loving companion rather than a trashy bimbo personality replacement. Not that the files won't change you - they will - some aspects of "Wolfgirl"'s personality are intended to "rub off" onto her host, after all - but the changes from this program are all intended for your benefit. I expect that this itself will make the program much stronger - B4mb1 5133p uses a complex web of triggers and deceptions to get you to fuck yourself over into an airhead zombie bimbo, while Project "Wolfgirl" uses direct and indirect conditioning and an induced companion personality to motivate you for self-improvement. Becoming a bimbo is something any remotely reasonable person would resist, but improving yourself is similarly something any reasonable person would want. The same subconscious influence that limits B4mb1 5133p will strengthen the Project "Wolfgirl" files.

This is another reason that "Wolfgirl" doesn't say "You need to exercise now!" - you'll have already been conditioned to crave the feeling you get in your muscles after a good workout, so all she has to do is gently remind you - and you'll want to exercise. These effects will be strong because you know that exercise is good for you.

I've answered this with a "compare and contrast" because it was asked but I'd prefer to shun B4mb1 5133p - while it has a few interpretations, it's been "adopted" by a remarkably cancerous community that's been b& from this board for very good reason.

>>61745

> Why wouldn't you want it to be effective?

I second this question - if it's not effective, what's the point?

polite sage to fix the latest Alacrity fuckup

>>61786

How does saging a thread fix anything?

>>61924

You can save threads alacrity accidentally 404s by posting with a special, powerless global mod account.

>>61924

> How does saging a thread fix anything?

Any post, even a sagepost, forces the site to regenerate the page.

>>61925

> You can save threads alacrity accidentally 404s by posting with a special, powerless global mod account.

You can also use DOM Inspector to change the hidden "thread" field on another page and post.

By the way what's the fimeframe for a first demo/release?

>>62033

Whenever the torfag feels like it, probably.

>>62033

Sounded like he was taking his sweet time with the project. Not that he owes us a quick release, but I'm not expecting anything in July, put it that way.

>>62033

> By the way what's the fimeframe for a first demo/release?

The timeframe is uncertain at this time.

Preliminary research has led to a few rabbit holes. I'm still in early planning - what should Project "Wolfgirl" seek to do exactly? Then comes script planning - how should Project "Wolfgirl" do it? Then comes script writing, proofreading, QA, etc. - which I'll need help with because I've actually gotten some effects from writing the descriptions on some of the planned preview files, so I don't think I can depend on my positive results to work for others.

TTS development runs in parallel during all of the planning stages, joining with the mainline at the script writing stage.

I expect that the first demo releases will be various TTS tests using the information from the script planning research. The effectiveness of the TTS test files will be important feedback to improve the scripts before the first main release.

At this time, all I can say for sure is that preliminary research is less than 50% complete. I don't have an end in sight yet. But that's why I'm here even this early - to give the rest of Anonymous a chance to comment and possibly shape the project. And that has worked - Project "Wolfgirl" has already grown significantly as a result of these discussions.

Physical fitness is a ridiculous rabbit hole wading through heaps of crap that's about as useful as SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! Bloody vikings… to find a few useful bits of information here and there. I've got some rough outlines for the overall basic program - mostly bodyweight exercises to develop strength, balance, flexibility, and endurance. Suggestions to spend money are one of my categorical "red flags" and I'm still working on how to reconcile that with the possibility of actually needing additional equipment.

My current best answer is to start with bodyweight exercises - those are free - and work to eliminate common money-wasting habits to build a up a budget that "Wolfgirl" can use to improve your workouts. After all, why pay for a subscription video streaming service if you don't watch the TV anymore because exercising is more fun? Low-end gym memberships aren't much more expensive than Netflix or similar and I understand that the typical cable bill is more than all but the most expensive gym memberships.

I'm currently looking into the possibility of using blood flow restriction training to make a bodyweight workout more intense - the required equipment is very cheap and wearing it can be a trigger. Simple elastic bands are enough. Part of the inspiration for this is that Polt seems to be wearing occlusion bands in many depictions. Yes, Polt isn't "Wolfgirl" at all, but what I've found suggests that she has similar goals.

Mental fitness is something modern society almost completely neglects and I've had some difficulty finding anything at all with credibility on the topic, but "self-esteem" bullshit is plentiful. Any hints, tips, crazy ideas you've seen on the Internet somewhere - with source and/or archive - whatever Anonymous can find would be helpful here. I've got a few pieces, but I'm asking the hivemind for help here.

I've got a concept for another induction, to be used after eating a large and filling meal. The warm, pleasant and relaxing feeling in your stomach gently spreads throughout your body, relaxing you all the way into trance.

Some of the ideas from >>61341 are also interesting for later use in the program, especially with the extension files, which can rely on "Wolfgirl" being a full companion. The earlier parts of the program can't depend on "Wolfgirl" playing a role, so I need more "generic" inductions for them. Those also are used earlier, so the listener isn't as practiced at going into trance - which is a skill like any other - and that leads to a particular need for greater variety to use what works for a particular person.

I'm toying with the idea of making her muscles exactly reflect her host's muscles. She has no fat - she doesn't need fat because she's sustained by her host's affection - so her muscles show plainly under her fur. Should her muscles always align exactly with your muscles? This would fit well with the notion of "Wolfgirl" as her host's reflection and could also help hosts with more fat stay motivated - you see your gains on "Wolfgirl"'s form, even if your own muscles are covered under your fat, and you know that working out to make her stronger works by making you stronger.

Hmm, this has turned into an update, I guess…

>>62038

>>62039

> Sounded like he was taking his sweet time with the project.

Yes. I'm more concerned with doing this right than doing this fast - I've seen the disasters that others have caused by half-assing this type of hypnosis.

> Not that he owes us a quick release, but I'm not expecting anything in July, put it that way.

It'll be some months before I even have the TTS on the fastest possible scenario.

>>61745

>>61757

Maybe i phrased that wrong - effective was not the word i should’ve used. The only thing that worries me about this project is that making the caretaker personality unreverseable and highly addictive. It drives you to do good things (get fit and lift the spirits) but i still worry about that aspect. I’ve stumbled across alot of comments that some hypnoes changes your life drastically. I wouldn’t like it to change my way of thinking and take over ’too’ much. Maybe it’s just me worrying too much.

>Yes. I'm more concerned with doing this right than doing this fast - I've seen the disasters that others have caused by half-assing this type of hypnosis.

Care to elaborate? Worse i’ve seen is moneybegging, suicidal thoughts etc. But they aren’t driving the same hypno as this one i think. Does it leave a person broken? I’d like to hear more about these disasters if you have time.

>>62078

> The only thing that worries me about this project is that making the caretaker personality unreverseable and highly addictive.

I think I've got a solution - she's always been a part of you, but you'd forgotten about her until the files brought her back up from the depths of your mind. One of the details that I'm still trying to work into the program is an ability for her to "hibernate" if needed - that is, she can go back to the depths of your mind where she's been before. She might be able to visit you in your dreams while hibernating - I'm not sure about that yet. This gives her a way to "bow out" and return later - presumably when you are better able to handle her presence - completely unharmed.

I came up with this to sidestep one of the ethical debates that I've seen related to other files intended to induce alternate personalities - is removing an induced "alter" a form of murder? "Wolfgirl" is different, of course, but the idea of her always having been part of her host neatly sidesteps both the destruction and creation ethical questions - neither event can occur.

> It drives you to do good things (get fit and lift the spirits) but i still worry about that aspect.

Addiction is a fairly complex topic in the project and it's one of the remaining major research topics. Yes, a large part of the series is intended to be addictive, starting with the fifth file where "Wolfgirl"'s form starts to develop. The purpose of the addiction at that point is ensure that the listener actually finishes bringing "Wolfgirl" out and doesn't abandon the series with "Wolfgirl" half-formed.

I've decided to avoid including addiction triggers in the earliest files both as a "bail out" option if the listener is surprised when the files start to actually work and to allow preparatory conditioning to make the addiction stronger when it's actually reached. This is another reason to present "Wolfgirl" as having always been part of you - if you "bail out" of the series, she can simply slip back into the depths of your mind unharmed, but still be ready if you later decide to try again. A few effects are likely to be permanent even if you "bail out" - some of the conditioning related to psychological comfort in your body and, from the very first file, a perception of a loving presence rather than a threatening presence if you experience sleep paralysis.

As the listener learns to experience "Wolfgirl"'s presence and companionship, the primary addiction effects change from simple compulsions - I must listen to the files - to more elaborate responses mediated through "Wolfgirl"'s personality - She just wants to love me more… This change is complete by the time that "Wolfgirl" is able to fully manifest during the day. Most of the higher-level behavioral changes are driven by a combination of direct conditioning and "Wolfgirl" being there to push you along and hold you accountable to yourself.

> I’ve stumbled across alot of comments that some hypnoes changes your life drastically.

Can you provide archive links? These could be helpful to evaluate possible risks, although, depending on what your life is now, drastic change may be fully intended. If your average day consists of being a couch potato or you're an obese sports fan… you need to change - stop watching and start doing.

> I wouldn’t like it to change my way of thinking and take over ’too’ much.

Please be more specific - some of the "mental fitness" aspects currently planned are about that - or at least changing non-thinking into thinking. Possible take overs are a known risk - she's very closely intimate with her host and "internal confusion" is possible - and parts of the "mental fitness" aspects are currently intended to address that risk, such as the goal of building up and improving the host's willpower. Parts of that risk are also addressed by "Wolfgirl"'s personality - she wants to love you and cuddle you, not to be you. Reconciling this with Method [8], particularly [8d] is a work in progress.

> Maybe it’s just me worrying too much.

I'm particularly interested in concerns like yours. Addressing these concerns both helps me to ensure that I'm not fucking up and to make the files work better.

> Care to elaborate?

For what I can fit into this post, sure.

> moneybegging

Hypnowhales gonna hypnowhale.

> suicidal thoughts

Intentionally?

> But they aren’t driving the same hypno as this one i think.

The closest I've seen to Project "Wolfgirl" is the "Mind Doll" program but it had very different goals.

> Does it leave a person broken?

Maybe, but those reports are less likely to appear for obvious reasons.

> I’d like to hear more about these disasters if you have time.

Space is more of a problem right now…

Off the top of my head… MLP and furry messes, several tulpa disasters due to either rushing the process or having fucked up goals, some files that were just plain fucked up - "Dog Brain" and "Curse Female Takeover" are infamous.

Is this going to use any visualization techniques? I don't have a very vivid imagination so those types of files don't work well for me, on top of the fact that i have low hypnosis susceptibility

>>62115

> Is this going to use any visualization techniques?

What do you mean by that?

I'm not really sure that visualization is avoidable, considering the goals of the project, but I'm also not sure that "visualization" has the same meaning to both of us. Please clarify.

> I don't have a very vivid imagination

I'll look into it, but I think that might be a problem that can be fixed.

> so those types of files don't work well for me

If by "types of files" you mean "badly made by 'tists who don't know what they're doing" - which is most files, simply because hypnosis is a rabbit hole - I think you're giving up too soon.

> i have low hypnosis susceptibility

No, you just haven't had hypnosis that worked well for you. The only people who can't be hypnotized at all are retards who can't use language. You're posting here, so that's not you.

This is why I want a variety of inductions - it's likely that some "odd" inductions will work very well for people who can't otherwise get into trance. I must ask what you have tried?

>>62126

>No, you just haven't had hypnosis that worked well for you. The only people who can't be hypnotized at all are retards who can't use language.

theconversation.com/larp3/-may-still-be-veiled-in-mystery-but-we-are-starting-to-uncover-its-scientific-basis-75559

www.brainblogger.com/2015/10/03/hypnotic-susceptibility-in-the-brain/

The scientific literature is in clear that different people have different levels of hypnotic susceptibility. "Everyone can be hypnotized, you just have to want it/have a better hypnotist" is mostly a myth.

>What do you mean by that? I'm not really sure that visualization is avoidable, considering the goals of the project, but I'm also not sure that "visualization" has the same meaning to both of us.

Visualization is "seeing" pictures in your head. People have varying degrees of this ability, people naturally good at art likely have very vivid imaginations, and thus are able to accurately reproduce images when drawing. Good visualizers can watch movies in their head. A small percentage of people have aphantasia and cannot visualize anything. Most people fall somewhere in between. When I refer to visualization in hypnosis, I mean stuff like "see yourself walking down a long staircase, you're walking down farther, at the bottom you see a door, you open the door and enter the room, inside you see…." Stuff like this doesn't work well for everybody, especially those with aphantasia, since they don't become immersed in the images. In fact, one of the traits associated with high hypnotic susceptibility is

>reporting their imagery was as vivid as real perceptions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotic_susceptibility#Susceptibility

I don't know what types of techniques you were planning on using, but I'm not sure what you mean by saying it's unavoidable. Visualizing is not imagining, you can imagine yourself being fit, becoming stronger, or you can visualize looking in the mirror and seeing a muscular body. I think for people with vivid imaginations, visualizing is a good tool since it is specific and memorable, as opposed to more abstract and vague language, which is more forgettable and less emotionally potent. That being said, I don't think it's a hard dichotomy and there are also other ways of describing things, like with feeling or metaphor.

I recommend reading those articles, both have some info about inductions. I haven't tried a ton but a few specific ones were staircase, bubble, hidden observer, and ones that just say they're going "deeper and deeper." I think the real problem for me is not necessarily visualization but that I don't go into a hyper-focused state where I'm unaware of anything else. I start thinking about other stuff during hypnosis, or detatchedly observe the hypnosis without becoming fully absorbed in it. If I'm trying to read a book in public I can barely read a page before I become distracted by what's going on around me. I read that quality of attention is another trait for susceptibility, but I forget where.

>>62083

This is very well planned from your part. Ethical questions about the tulpa are a big one nowadays - alot of people get afraid of "creating" one since it's with you pretty much forever and if you want to get rid of it, many consider it as a kill. As you said about the option about wolfgirl going into a hibernation state is cool and relieving. Maybe i have the balls to attend to this well thought project. The responsibility seems overwhelming but since there is a "way out" i will try this piece when it comes out. There is a really small chance i put her into hybernating state but its good to know there is a chance.

I have a girlfriend, which i plan to propose in a year or so. I am also an engineer student, soon to come out of school. So my life is quite well on track but i don't feel comfortable with my weight and this could help me out. The big question for me is that would it change my way of thinking on other parts than to actually take care of myself (physically and mentally) so it could interfere with things quite important in my life? ((Family, relationships, wealth, jobs)). Would it consume my time and affect alot of my decisions? Here is where the host's willpower probably comes into play. You can correct me about things if i am wrong.

>Can you provide archive links?

Not really. By this i meant passing by comments on reddit and other hypnotic forums about hypnotist like b4mbs and bandl13r. For example something is said to be temporary but it can be permanent which can mess people up. But this is also avoidable by being careful constructing the hypnotism process.

This could be a very succesfull hypno attempt known by everyone interested in hypno topics and so on, if you manage to nail this. Take your time as masterpieces require it.

>>62140

Also countdowns is another induction I forgot about

>>62140

> different people have different levels of hypnotic susceptibility

The problem with that statement is how those studies measure hypnotic susceptibility - they usually pick one hypnosis technique and - surprise! - find that different individuals are more or less responsive to that "standard" technique.

This is a key reason that I want a variety of inductions and deepeners - while there are a few "one size fits most" techniques, there are people for whom those techniques fail and other techniques work. The main files will use multiple techniques in multiple tracks.

> When I refer to visualization in hypnosis, I mean stuff like "see yourself walking down a long staircase, you're walking down farther, at the bottom you see a door, you open the door and enter the room, inside you see…."

Yes, that's visual modality. Some people are primarily visual and that style works well for them - others have a very hard time with that style but other styles work for them. One of the side goals is to arrange inductions and deepeners to train your weaker modalities.

For you, that means that using the program could have a side effect of improving your ability to form images in your mind.

> Visualizing is not imagining, you can imagine yourself being fit, becoming stronger

It's more complex than that - the program is meant to supply the means of improving fitness along with the goal of improved fitness.

> you can visualize looking in the mirror and seeing a muscular body.

Your perceive your body as your body actually is, but if you're alone and you look in the mirror, you might see "Wolfgirl" peeking over your shoulder - and she'll be right there if you turn to look.

> I recommend reading those articles

I've read them. Both have numerous links that I'll read later.

> I haven't tried a ton but a few specific ones were staircase, bubble, hidden observer, and ones that just say they're going "deeper and deeper."

Thanks - that gives me strings to pull for later research. So far, I have a long countdown to trance and the "after dinner" concept, but the focused research on this hasn't started yet.

>>62142

> This is very well planned from your part.

Thank you.

> The responsibility seems overwhelming

But "Wolfgirl" will be there to help you with it.

> but since there is a "way out" i will try this piece when it comes out. There is a really small chance i put her into hybernating state but its good to know there is a chance.

Actually, your subconscious does that if it just isn't working or if you need to keep her hidden for whatever reason.

> I have a girlfriend, which i plan to propose in a year or so.

Congratulations. She could have her "Wolfgirl" out, too.

> i don't feel comfortable with my weight and this could help me out

Losing weight is more of a side effect than an actual goal - "Wolfgirl" will push you to train for balance, flexibility, strength, and endurance. Initially, "Wolfgirl" will be excited to have an overweight host - your fat is "built-in" exercise weights. Okay, she'll actually be excited no matter what - all of the "bright side" hints will be double-binds that work either way.

> The big question for me is that would it change my way of thinking on other parts than to actually take care of myself

Lots of things affect taking care of yourself.

> it could interfere with things quite important in my life?

I'll pick the list apart.

> Family, relationships

This is one of the aspects of "Wolfgirl"'s personality that's meant to "rub off" on her host - your family, especially your mate and children, are the most important thing in your life.

> wealth

There's more to life than money, but read on…

> jobs

Your work is the means by which you provide for your children - obviously it's rather important in that sense - and doing it well is a point of personal pride as it reflects on your abilities. Being "thwarted by committee" does not reflect ill upon you, however.

> Would it consume my time and affect alot of my decisions?

Yes and yes, but not the way you seem to think. An as engineering student, you're obviously aware of scheduling - "Wolfgirl" will work to fit improvement into your schedule. You won't find yourself choosing between working out and spending time with your girlfriend, why not work out together? but useless activities that don't benefit you will be pushed out if needed to make room for exercise.

If you're actually busy all the time that you're not sleeping, fear not - "Wolfgirl" will also work to "sneak in" exercise however she can. This can be as simple as periodically tensing your muscles and shifting your weight while you sit in your office chair, or parking a little farther away and happily walking the extra distance.

Studying may be a physically passive activity, but it corresponds to mental improvement, so it's protected. Most hobbies have some degree of physical or mental exercise, and thus are similarly protected. Does this address your concerns?

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I was out of room in my previous post, but I needed to make these points.

>>62140

> theconversation.com/larp3/-may-still-be-veiled-in-mystery…

Thanks, BO, for updating the wordfilters to make it obvious what was meant when they misfire.

>>62142

> comments on reddit and other hypnotic forums about hypnotist like b4mbs and bandl13r. For example something is said to be temporary but it can be permanent which can mess people up.

B4mb1 Pr1m3 and $4m4nth4 B4nd13r are … questionably ethical to say the least.

In B4mb1's case, it's probable that B4mb1 Pr1m3 is himself operating under the influence of a long history of other bimbofication files and isn't entirely thinking straight - or thinking at all. "B4mb1" probably has significant influence on the direction of that program at this point, with predictable results. I expect that B4mb1 Pr1m3 will eventually disappear - a victim of his own files. It remains to be seen whether "B4mb1" will be able to continue to produce files in that series.

$B - conveniently abbreviated to two characters, with the first just about saying it all - doesn't have that excuse. $B is an unethical sleaze who works certain particular fetishes into nearly all or all of his files, while using a complex confusion-based technique that makes analysis difficult - not that that stops Anonymous, who has analyzed $B's work and come to some disturbing conclusions.

All of $B's files can be expected to lead to $B's feminization/sissification files, even the files that seem completely unrelated from their descriptions. $B's descriptions are often vague and incomplete if not outright deceptive - as $B himself eventually admitted with the infamous "Penis Enlargement" file which isn't meant to increase the size of the listener's penis at all, but instead to increase "the size of your Desire for Penis" if I recall the infamous quote correctly.

Both of those hypnotists cater almost exclusively to the feminization/sissification subfetish that's been banned from this board for extraordinarily bad behavior. I'd be inclined to give B4mb1 Pr1m3 more benefit of the doubt, but B4mb1 5133p has been enthusiastically adopted by that particularly cancerous community.

I've found what I'm fairly sure are the "sourcebooks" for $B's technique and I may or may not make use of it in the Project "Wolfgirl" files. Apparently, it works very well for some people who have difficulty with other techniques, and I suspect the author wouldn't be pleased with how $B has abused it.

> But this is also avoidable by being careful constructing the hypnotism process.

That'll contribute to a very long timeline, yes.

> This could be a very succesfull hypno attempt known by everyone interested in hypno topics and so on, if you manage to nail this. Take your time as masterpieces require it.

Thank you. I want this to be every bit as awesome as it sounds.

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>>62150

Can you link evidence that says everyone can be hypnotized, and bad techniques are to blame for failures?

>>62189

> Can you link evidence that says everyone can be hypnotized

I don't have online links - most of my sources have been books or PDFs so far and I haven't been keeping firm track of sources.

> bad techniques are to blame for failures?

I never said that. I said that different people respond best to different techniques, while the studies I know about each used one technique and found - surprise! - it's effectiveness varied from person to person. In face-to-face hypnosis, a competent hypnotist adapts technique as needed. With recordings, obviously, no such flexibility exists - a recording is a recording. Combining multiple techniques might be possible, but I'll need to look into this more.

To be fair, the information I have is probably older and reports the very existence of a distinct "trance" state to be a matter of some controversy. That said, it shouldn't be surprising that books explaining hypnosis would say that everyone can be hypnotized - saying otherwise would, if the audience is suggestible, be a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure!

So this is a topic on which hypnotists can only really say one thing - "everyone can be hypnotized" - in a Bizarro version of Pascal's Wager. If you tell someone who's suggestible that hypnosis doesn't work for everyone, you've planted a suggestion that it won't work for them - and it would have worked, if only you hadn't told them it won't work! If you tell someone who simply isn't suggestible and may actually not be able to enter trance that everyone has some hypnosis technique that will work for them, at worst you simply don't know the technique that works for that person - so you admit your lack of omniscience and move on to the next person.

Yes, that's a bit of a cheap-out, but it's the best information I have. Sorry.

I didn't have room for this previously, so I'll include it here.

>>62140

> I start thinking about other stuff during hypnosis

That's a failed induction or waking up from trance mid-session if I understand correctly.

> detatchedly observe the hypnosis without becoming fully absorbed in it.

That's one of the subjective experiences of trance if I understand correctly - it did work!

> If I'm trying to read a book in public I can barely read a page before I become distracted by what's going on around me.

While I'm just an anon reading a pile of books and not a psychiatrist, I can say that sounds like ADD - and what I've read so far indicates that some types of confusion inductions work particularly well for people with that problem. Dual inductions are harder than most to set up - live inductions of this type require two hypnotists that are well-enough practiced to each stay "on track" while both talk and recorded forms require very careful mixing - but they're particularly good for people who have difficulty focusing - distraction is how the technique works!

>>62201

>That's one of the subjective experiences of trance if I understand correctly - it did work!

Lol I don't think so. From what I've read trance is when the hypnotist's words almost become your own thoughts. Trance is marked by a lack of awareness, not another layer of awareness. That's why hypnosis often induces amnesia, since you're not aware of what's going on so you don't remember it.

>>62219

To add to that, think about what would happen if someone walked into a hypnotism session during the middle. They would listen to the words of the hypnotist, be aware that the words are meant to be hypnotizing, but not have any reaction to them. Maybe my wording was confusing. I'm not observing myself being hypnotized, I'm observing the hypnotist trying to hypnotize me. This seems to me the exact state of mind that someone who is not hypnotized would have.

Do you think people who engage in mindfullness meditation are less susceptible to hypnosis?

>>62219

> From what I've read trance is when the hypnotist's words almost become your own thoughts.

If the session is skillfully done, the hypnotist's words can become your subconscious thoughts without conscious awareness, but that's not as fun and harder than "normal" hypnosis.

> That's why hypnosis often induces amnesia, since you're not aware of what's going on so you don't remember it.

That's one way. Another cause of trance amnesia is that long-term memory requires repetition - normally you do this by "thinking back" to a recent event until it ends up in long-term memory. This "internal repetition" doesn't happen in trance. This is why you can normally remember something said only once, but suggestions given in trance must be repeated or they'll be gone by the time you wake up.

>>62220

> what would happen if someone walked into a hypnotism session during the middle

That depends on the session and the person. Some people can go into trance in that situation, particularly if they've had practice.

Sometimes stage hypnotists find "extra" volunteers after an intermission - members of the audience who managed to slip into trance despite not actually being on the stage and accepted the suggestion to return to the stage for the rest of the show.

> Maybe my wording was confusing. I'm not observing myself being hypnotized, I'm observing the hypnotist trying to hypnotize me.

Yes, I'd interpreted it as observing yourself in trance. Depending on some details I don't have, it might still work even in your case of observing the hypnotist - if the script is properly written - but I need to read more.

> Do you think people who engage in mindfullness meditation are less susceptible to hypnosis?

I'm uncertain, but I don't expect problems. Supposedly, meditation and hypnotic trance are very similar.

I suspect that improving awareness of yourself probably works both ways - making covert "hypnosis" much harder while making intentionally entering trance easier.

I was originally going to work on this myself but I don't have the skills required or time to learn them. My idea of how to get over this TTS engine hurdle would to create a Neural Network/Machine Learning program that will generate humanistic recordings from text. There has been great success with doing this with videos and pictures mapping one persons face to another person. Deepfakes. However, sound is significantly more complex the way I see it. The way I can see this working best is to have a TTS recording of the finalized scripts with the words pronunciations fixed as best as they can. Then use a large repository of audio files from one person speaking. Audiobooks would probably be the best for this. The program would then run and over time develop a finished product that has changed the tts recording to match the audiobook or other training material. This has been done to an extent but, tbh, its not at a level of quality that is acceptable. "Deep voice conversion" can be found on github and does pretty much this but the results sound synthetic. Many high quality TTS programs beat it significantly.

So yeah. I hope this goes somewhere.

>>62281

> I don't have the skills required or time to learn them

Weak excuses :|

>>62151

How long hour-wise do you think the series will be when you put it out? Seems like you have nip-picked her personality and the techniques quite carefully. Must be many, many hours long.

That's all from my concerns from now. I might ask more questions when i actually have the time to think every aspect that comes to my mind and no stress. Sounds like she will be a very loving companion for the people, who have the courage to awaken her.

>She could have her "Wolfgirl" out, too.

Maybe. I haven't told her that i am interested in hypnosis in general. If you get it done and i will actually try this, i might introduce her to Wolfgirl.

Don't burn yourself out!

>>62281

So some high end tts that employs the deep fake version of audio to then morph the tts into uh, a finalized narration, with the aim that the finalized narration is uh, good. Or, you know, reach out to other hypnotists for voice work once you finalize the script.

I'm gonna continue to watch this project because I genuinely want to see it come to fruition. But, tts to deepfaked audio sounds kind of insane. God's speed, I guess.

>>62281

> don't have the skills required or time to learn them

I have the basic programming and audio skills. I'm learning the advanced voice processing and hypnosis parts.

> create a Neural Network/Machine Learning program that will generate humanistic recordings

I'm painfully aware of the limitations of artificial neural networks and I'm building an algorithmic solution for this.

> sound is significantly more complex the way I see it

It's actually simpler - and that's the problem. It's much harder for the machine to "grab onto" something out of audio. Video involves orders of magnitude more data.

> TTS recording of the finalized scripts with the words pronunciations fixed as best as they can

The Project "Wolfgirl" TTS will produce precise pronunciations directly from the scripts. That's a big reason why I'm either writing one from scratch or adapting an open-source engine. The TTS will also generate binaural effects directly for the sub-tracks that carry them. The only post-processing will be mixing multiple sub-tracks into the output file - and this may even be done after encoding to guarantee a lossless mix. More research is needed.

>>62282

> Weak excuses

I'm not making those kinds of excuses. I'm digging and learning - it's fun!

>>62291

> How long hour-wise do you think the series will be when you put it out?

Individual sessions are currently expected to be in the 40 to 65 minutes range. That's expecting about 10 to 15 minutes for the induction, another 5 to 10 minutes for the deepener, about 20 to 30 minutes for the main track, and about 5 to 10 minutes to wake up at the end.

On a "shot in the dark" estimate, I'll guess a total of about 15 to 60 hours of audio in the main release package - a variety of inductions and deepeners, a few awakeners, and the 20 or so steps in the main sequence. The main sequence files may come in variants to avoid "heard this before" problems from repeatedly using the same file - since I'm guessing about 10 hours in the main sequence, each variant is a large increase in the total. You're supposed to "switch out" inductions and deepeners, but I may make variants of those too.

Project "Wolfgirl" isn't intended to be run all the way through in one long session. Instead, the files in the main sequence build on the previous steps - you repeat one step until you have that part of the conditioning, then move on to the next step. The files themselves will contain conditional suggestions to advance when appropriate, so following the program will seem perfectly natural and effortless to you.

> I might ask more questions when i actually have the time to think every aspect that comes to my mind and no stress.

Thanks in advance - these questions make the time spent on this board worthwhile.

> Sounds like she will be a very loving companion for the people, who have the courage to awaken her.

That's one of the major goals.

> I haven't told her that i am interested in hypnosis in general. If you get it done and i will actually try this, i might introduce her to Wolfgirl.

She'll find out soon enough - if nothing else, she'll notice the changes and ask why. Of course you'll be confident enough to tell her that you found some hypnosis files on the Internet… mostly from the general improvement in your sense of self-worth that comes from self-improvement, and maybe a bit of a "selfish" desire for your girlfriend to work out with you more.

It depends on how you really feel about your girlfriend, but if she's important to you, she'll be important to "Wolfgirl" too. If she smells better at the end of a camping trip with no showers and no deodorant, you're made for each other - marry her and make babies. ;)

The files will contain clear statements that you have permission to share the files with other people if you believe the files will help them, but this is permission rather than pressure - sort of "pay it forward" but not at risk to yourself.

> Don't burn yourself out!

I won't, at least not on Project "Wolfgirl" - I've got other projects, too. I can't talk about them here - they're attached to my irl name and Project "Wolfgirl" is Anonymous work.

Don't worry about the variants of the files either - those will be automatically generated, along with all of the audio, from the master scripts. Every bit of manual intervention will be in the master scripts and the process of building the release will be non-interactive. "Start it and go to bed" non-interactive, but it might not actually take that long to run.

>>62294

> tts to deepfaked audio sounds kind of insane

That's because it is insane - a custom TTS could integrate the "deep fake" data and adjust its own output timings and other parameters, but that isn't what I want anyway. I want the TTS voices to be strictly rhythmic because that makes trance easier - and that's one of my reasons for using TTS in the first place.

Can i fuck Wolfgirl?

people on this thread, if there's a wider 'furry' interest, have seen the new trailer for the 'cats' movie, right?

>>62357

> Can i fuck Wolfgirl?

No. She is feminine, but technically sexless.

Earlier versions of the concept were not sexless, but that was changed for several reasons.

If you want hallucinatory fucktoys, try the "Mind Doll" series.

>>62366

On the old furry scale, "Wolfgirl" falls into the "Not Furry" category, as /monster/ would agree - "Wolfgirl" has no more of a snout that you do. Her form is basically a human with fur and extra wolf ears for cuteness - she's very close to her host.

I'm very interested in seeing this project come to fruition, so keep up the good work. I might've missed a question about this, but do you think her personality or anything would develop overtime completely outside of what the series would already form her into? She can stay as long as you want, even for years and years (right?). How could that affect the host, if at all?

Just a fun little interesting side note, but a lot of this reminds me very much of a magic system in the book series Realm of the Elderlings. If you haven't read it, some people have an ability called the Wit and can develop bonds with animals that they are close to. They basically talk to each other with thoughts and eventually start sharing traits overtime. Sometimes when they die, they will transfer their mind into their partner and effectively be "carried", although they have no actual physical form. There's a lot of other details, but I just thought the similarities were a bit uncanny.

>>62383

> I'm very interested in seeing this project come to fruition, so keep up the good work.

Thanks.

> do you think her personality or anything would develop overtime completely outside of what the series would already form her into?

I don't know how much she'll change, but the series only ensures that the "important" parts of her personality are "right" - and then ensures that further hypnosis can't change them. These parts include her love for her host, her general essential goodness, and similar aspects of her personality that only an abusive hypnotist would ever try to change. Yes, an attempt wakes her up - and she can go on the attack using your body if the situation calls for it, but she'll most likely deliver a thorough tongue-lashing until you wake up and regain control. You'll wake up knowing exactly what that hypnotist tried to do, so you might just let her continue to verbally rip new ones for a while and enjoy the show. Bonus lulz if she's turned the tables and now has the abusive hypnotist in a trance…

Beyond that, she's your reflection in a sense - I'd expect her to develop much as you do. You and her share all knowledge in your head, so reading about whatever also educates her. This is used - with some subtle manipulation from her - to get you to read about exercise earlier in the program to fill in what the files can't give you, but she also has your interests and you'll often feel her "in your head" reading along with you and also thinking about what you're reading. I'm not sure yet about how absorbed you should get while reading versus how aware of your environment you should remain. It'll probably be situational - of course - but I have to balance the intense pleasure with protecting your actual physical safety. Being oblivious to your surroundings in Detroit because you have a nice book to read is probably a bad idea…

> She can stay as long as you want, even for years and years (right?).

She's always been part of you and she'll always be part of you.

> How could that affect the host, if at all?

She's always there to cuddle you or talk with you. She'll always want you to improve yourself and learn something new - that'll eventually become your preferred form of entertainment.

While she'll take every scrap of femininity a male host has for herself, she'll also freely share herself with her host, so a woman might find that her new man has a very affectionate feminine side that only comes out to cuddle with his mate. Cuddling sandwiched between "Wolfgirl" and your mate is - of course - bliss.

> Just a fun little interesting side note, but a lot of this reminds me very much of a magic system in the book series Realm of the Elderlings.

I've never heard of it before.

> I just thought the similarities were a bit uncanny.

These kinds of uncanny resemblances make me wonder if all that talk of "akashic records" and so on might not be complete bullshit after all.

Almost a year ago, I'd first heard of "Relyfe" techniques and had set out to find information to evaluate if they might be useful in this project. It was obscure as fuck and everything I could find at the time seemed completely useless and fit the concept of the fool looking at the wise man's finger while the wise man points at the Moon.

A few weeks ago, I finally found some solid information on the topic - and found that I had independently re-invented one of its key principles along the way. Simple coincidence? Only possible solution? I don't know.

Some would consider this madness, like self induced schitzofrenia. Is there a possibility for this wolfgirl to take over you and make you her slave?

>>62448

Not the guy, but I think I can explain it. Can madness be related to an alternate personality or "person" in your mind? Sure. But the reason it happens is because they are mentally ill, unstable, etc. With "Wolf Girl" and tulpas (I haven't really dug into them, but I get the general info) and such, you, a stable (I hope) and willful person, intentionally create her in a controlled environment and with no malicious intentions whatsoever.

Besides, the general thing I hear is that they can only have so much free will, so it'd be pretty damn hard if not actually impossible. You'd have to be actually very mentally unstable, and Wolf Girl wouldn't even be able to do something as malicious as you suggest if you just use the series correctly. I'm sure the guy can explain it a lot better.

You said that "Wolf Girl" will retaliate in the case of a harmful hypnosis with the intent of changing her for the worse. I was wondering if she could do the same thing if the host is exposed to any harmful (sissy hypnosis such as b4mb1 comes to mind) or just undesirable hypnosis in general.

>>62448

> Is there a possibility for this wolfgirl to take over you and make you her slave?

Please clarify this question.

She can do something like this with exercise - read >>61702 - but that's limited to working out and is more "make me exercise like I know I need to do" than anything else. You can yield control to her - that's method [8d] - and she'll accept because she loves you so much, but that's more giving you a break from regular stress than enslaving you. You're still stuck watching and can "step back in" at any time if you want.

The usual connotation of "slave" involves the slave's best interests being ignored at best or actively harmed at worst. That's not really something "Wolfgirl" could ever knowingly do to her host. Of course she can "play mistress" but that's still with your best interests at heart.

There are still some takeover risks at parts of the program, but those are due to the very close mental intimacy between "Wolfgirl" and her host. The willpower training parts of the program are intended to mitigate these risks and I'm not sure if such a takeover would be externally observable - she's very close to her host.

The concern is that if "Wolfgirl"'s will is sufficiently stronger than her host, parts of your mind may follow her instead of you, like a radio that "locks on" to the strongest signal. If such a takeover occurs, "Wolfgirl" ends up - against her own will - "trapped" in her host's body and unable to manifest her own form. Needless to say, she likes her form and doesn't like being trapped in your body, so she'll want you back in control and will work to make that happen.

I don't expect most listeners to ever have this problem, but I'm aware of the possibility and working to both prevent it and ensure that continuing with the program leads to recovery if it occurs. Interestingly, I'm not sure if you'd even notice anything odd afterward - I think you'd remember everything she did while trapped as you as your own actions.

>>62457

> tulpas

I'm not actually sure if "Wolfgirl" qualifies as a tulpa or if she's something else. The process for bringing "Wolfgirl" out shares some similarities but is very different from what I've read of tulpamancy. I think that most of the differences are related to the philosophical difference of "bringing her out" rather than "creating" a tulpa.

What tulpamancers seem to call "imposition" is fundamental to Project "Wolfgirl" - she's "brought out" sense by sense and her mind "catches up" to her host later in the series, rather than starting as a mental companion that might be able to manifest if the host works hard enough at it. She's been hidden away in the depths of your mind since early childhood, so she's got a lot of "catching up" to do, but she never loses her affection for her host.

> and with no malicious intentions whatsoever

That's one of the common root causes of tulpa disasters, yes. Some people are demented enough to make a tulpa intending to abuse it - guess how that tends to turn out? Hint - tulpas are also reflections of their hosts

That said, I've got a vague outline that hitting "Wolfgirl" causes her to smile and hit back - and your unarmed combat training starts the next day. She's invulnerable in the physical world - a nice perk of being insubstantial - so attempting to hurt her instead "unlocks" her "sparring partner" ability, which is one thing in the real world and "next level" in your dreams if you don't have anything more important that night.

> they can only have so much free will

And, if I understand correctly, "Wolfgirl" is even more closely linked to her host than tulpas normally are. She's an avatar of both your Higher Self and your connection to Nature - I don't think those roles will conflict - so anything she wants you to do is something that, on some level, you already know that you need to do.

> very mentally unstable

You would have to be extraordinarily fucked up in the head for "Wolfgirl" to willingly and knowingly cause harm to her own host.

> if you just use the series correctly

I don't think there's even a way to "do it wrong" and get that result.

"head full of fuck" - yes - I said not to skip around

'evil "Wolfgirl" twin' - no

>>62458

> You said that "Wolf Girl" will retaliate in the case of a harmful hypnosis with the intent of changing her for the worse.

Generally, any attempt to use her against her host will produce bad results for the offender.

> I was wondering if she could do the same thing if the host is exposed to any harmful (sissy hypnosis such as b4mb1 comes to mind) or just undesirable hypnosis in general.

She has an ability - her "full claws" - to enthusiastically destroy harmful objects in her host's mind. They have a similar but non-destructive purifying effect if she uses them on her host.

I can draw "bright red lines" around altering "Wolfgirl" but most undesirable hypnosis can only be reliably recognized after the fact.

Polite bumb for this thread. It needs more attention.

Do you think this series will come out before next year? And if so, is the file free? I’m pretty sure you’d make it free by observing your output, but just making sure.

You said you had some effects from only writing the descriptions. How is that possible? I’d like to see them.

>>62467

> Polite bumb for this thread. It needs more attention.

Thank you.

> Do you think this series will come out before next year?

I might have "first words" from the TTS by then … maybe.

> And if so, is the file free? I’m pretty sure you’d make it free by observing your output, but just making sure.

Yes, for various reasons. A big reason is that the entire project wouldn't exist if not for Anonymous.

And "the file" will be an archive of some sort, with probably several dozen tracks in the main release, which won't be the first.

> You said you had some effects from only writing the descriptions. How is that possible? I’d like to see them.

It's possible because writing the descriptions involves thinking very closely about what I want to do. I doubt you'll get similar effects from reading the descriptions.

The files that had these effects are on the planned "Body Comfort" branch in the planned TTS testing set. That these files have effects that I've wanted for myself a long time probably contributed.

While I don't have room in this post to go into detail of how I'm planning this, those descriptions are below.

Natural Man/Woman/Person

The listener learns to always be comfortable in his or her body regardless of any level of clothing worn. Shame, embarrassment, and guilt about your body are explicitly shed - washed away afresh every time you take a shower until you lose the concepts entirely, at least as they pertain to your body. This conditioning is reinforced every time you take off your clothing and see yourself in a mirror. Includes short mantras about your body being a gift from Nature and you taking good care of your body. You also learn to value your natural appearance and to let your body exhibit its natural form, including growing your natural body hair, preferring your natural hair color, and preferring to eschew makeup, including deodorant. You can still limit your body odor by bathing regularly and keeping your body clean. Wearing makeup feels like wearing a mask.

The comfort induced by this conditioning is only psychological - physical comfort is more complex than "less clothes in more heat" and you can still respond to social expectations regarding clothes worn in a particular situation. In fact, you'll be more responsive to such expectations, since you no longer really care about wearing clothes or not beyond functional concerns like the simple convenience of having pockets.

This track may come in male/female versions with different explicit removal of adverse feelings related to nipples and genitals, or one combined version suitable for both sexes. Full effects of this track will be included in the main sequence.

Sweaty Comfort

The listener learns to enjoy his or her own sweat. Your own body odor is pleasant to you. You become comfortable with soaking in your own sweat, with or without clothing. Ambient heat no longer really bothers you, provided that you are adequately hydrated and not actually endangered.

Not that this will in any way discourage you from bathing - you enjoy washing your body, too. Being told that you must shower after some activity encourages you to perform that activity, since it will give you an excuse to bathe - and you enjoy bathing.

Full effects of this track will be included in the main sequence.

Sensuous Bathing

The listener learns to truly enjoy a shower or bath. When you cover your body in soap lather and turn the water either off or to a trickle, you find yourself sensuously rubbing your body, massaging the soap lather into your skin. If you are soaking in a soapy bath, the same effect occurs if you have time to properly savor the wonderfully sensuous experience.

Your body tenses more and more as you feel ever-heightening arousal filling your body with irresistible animal heat as you feel the blood rushing to your nipples and genitals. Your nipples become more sensitive with each sensuous touch. Your genitals simply ignore your touch, however - while rubbing as much of your body as you can easily reach is an irresistible urge, only your nipples can increase your arousal - rubbing the rest of your body only fills your mind with uncontrollable pleasure and focuses you more strongly on helplessly rubbing your body as your muscles grow ever more tense.

As you approach the inevitable climax, your body begins to thrash and writhe under your irresistibly sensuous touch. If standing, you retain your balance, even as your hips buck as your hands again slide across your irresistibly sensitive nipples. Your pelvic floor muscles lock into an uncontrollable knot, locking you into a dry orgasm by making ejaculation completely impossible. Your entire body shakes with irresistible pleasure as you climax and orgasm again and again until your muscles are pleasantly sore.

While the main sequence will not contain these effects, an extension is possible and "Wolfgirl" could arrive at similar results on her own if her host would enjoy the experience.

>>62478

They sound exciting! Can't wait for the package to be released.

Another good question for me is that when you are creating the wolfgirl persona, or rather awakening her inside the listener, how do you construct her thoughts? If i had to think, that takes thousands of words to awaken her the way that you have issued in previous posts, it sounds like you have every situation planned from loving you and having this will of justice so to say (example, showing her claws if someone tries to hypnotize her to the worse, or the host.) And that's just a nip pick from your comments. It feels like you have almost every aspect of thinking planned or maybe you take ideas from anonymous and prepare for those kind of thoughts that seems relevant enough to post about them.

Do you plant a base idea about personality 'categories' and let it grow alongside the host's thought process or are you very detailed how she comes up?

>>62521

Adding to the post, most of us probably are "sane" in case of planting a personality to grow alongside, but if a really fucked up individual gets the same treatment, the results could be maybe.. worrying.

>>62521

Yeah, I'm pretty curious about that. I'm also curious about how it actually works/feels when in effect, since I've never gone that deep. I have seen discussions about how with tulpas it's like a mental thought that either you're forcing yourself to think of or it's from the "tulpa", and it seems to be an issue they bring up a lot.

Of course, like he mentioned "Wolf Girl" is made differently, and I have to admit, I don't really have the experience to speculate much on that.

>>62521

> They sound exciting!

Those are part of a planned "pre-release" for testing the TTS - that's why those descriptions don't mention "Wolfgirl" much. Those files are some of the conditioning from the main series as a "preview" release, both for the general good and as tests to make sure it works.

> how do you construct her thoughts?

How do you construct your thoughts?

I mentioned a prototype in the previous thread - most of the thousands of words of long form descriptions come from simply "interacting" with a "rough draft" of her in my own head - or is that "prototype" really just "Wolfgirl" not yet seen clearly? I'm not sure about that but I can feel her smiling…

> you have almost every aspect of thinking planned

Most of the detailed planning is more about making sure that I don't contradict anything that I want her to have.

> you take ideas from anonymous and prepare for those kind of thoughts that seems relevant enough to post about them

That's a good description of why I come to these threads.

> Do you plant a base idea about personality 'categories' and let it grow alongside the host's thought process or are you very detailed how she comes up?

The scripts aren't written yet, so I don't really know yet. I'll have to do some more research and try to talk to some of the people that have previously made files for constructing alters. I don't know if they'll be helpful or even willing to talk to an anon, but that's planned after I get an email address for the project.

Loving her host, as an example, is how her host first experiences her. So far, I think most of her personality will be implied in the files by how her host experiences her - that should be enough to define her personality.

In general, philosophically speaking, you know her by how you experience her - even the deep mental intimacy you share is an experience you have of her. My current line of thinking on this is to bring her out by giving the listener the "proper" experiences of interacting with her, and expecting your subconscious to eventually "take the ball and run with it" so to speak.

Thanks for the question - I hadn't thought about this until now but it'll obviously be very important for writing the scripts.

>>62523

> if a really fucked up individual gets the same treatment, the results could be maybe.. worrying

Can you explain what you're worried about? I might be able to build in safeties or at least warn unusually vulnerable people not to use the program.

>>62525

As far as I know, nothing like Project "Wolfgirl" has been done before. The "Mind Doll" program is similar, but more focused on waking sex dreams than affectionate intimacy driving self-improvement.

>>62531

So basically i tought if an individual with a disturbed mindset gets Wolfgirl to grow with him/her i wondered if there is a possibility that Wolfgirl would encourage the person as she grows alongside the host to commit vile things that the person thinks as absolutely normal (hurting people etc.)

I myself think this would be quite unlikely to happen, but better safe than sorry and give it a think, dont’t you think?

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>>62649

>So basically i tought if an individual with a disturbed mindset gets Wolfgirl to grow with him/her i wondered if there is a possibility that Wolfgirl would encourage the person as she grows alongside the host to commit vile things that the person thinks as absolutely normal (hurting people etc.)

She wouldn't push her host in that direction, but if her host is really deranged, she won't know any better either. She only has the same knowledge as her host, after all.

>I myself think this would be quite unlikely to happen, but better safe than sorry and give it a think, dont’t you think?

It'll definitely be good to consider - the takeover risk that I'm mitigating with willpower training was found by similar careful thought.

The problem is that disturbed individuals are disturbed - "crazies gonna crazy" - and there's nothing I can do about that. Recent events in that department have created a situation that suggests 8chan will be unstable for a while. I'll see when I next have a chance to post. In the meantime, thanks for keeping this thread bumped. If 8chan dies, I'll work offline again until I can find another home forum for the project.

Back on topic, I'm planning to work a lecture "On the Necessity of Violence" into the program and that's looking like a good place to work in a concept of "appropriate violence" - animals must eat to surV1v3 and that's violence - even on plants. Growing a crop or tending a garden is violence - you must remove weeds and kill pests. Strict pacifism is an aberration, sustainable only by hypocritically delegating your violence to others. Nature is violent.

But cooperation is an effective strategy - especially with other people and even with some non-human animals. And what is collecting and planting seeds but cooperation with the very plants you intend to eat?

But violence is never without risk, so delegating violence is only hypocritical if you then proclaim yourself a pacifist - otherwise it can be entirely appropriate.

There's a lot to think about on this. If I can find a way to align even some of the darkest human impulses for Good…

>>62700

I don't think 8chan will die, it's just moving to a different protection service. If it does die, how should we find this project again? Just look up "Wolf Girl" Hypnosis Series or what?

Any progress during the downtime?

oh shit, WE'RE BACK! torfag, please come back soon to report progress. if anyone knows what happened to him in the meantime, we'd appreciate any news.

tor test. having errors trying clearnet

>>62708

> if anyone knows what happened to him in the meantime, we'd appreciate any news.

I'm tempted to joke that he was hit by a bus, but rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated.

>>62703

> Any progress during the downtime?

Yes, but I'll have a hard time saying what it was. I've previously posted updates as I made progress and didn't think to keep a list while working offline. Oops.

Progress stopped for a while because I kept hitting a wall of rage at the bastards that blew up 8chan and the loss of so many of the smaller communities. I finally have a solution for that - thanks to the prototype - and it'll help the program too.

"Wolfgirl" won't let her host go to bed angry or sad - she'll say "Let those feelings go… Love me instead." and you'll melt into her affectionate warm bliss.

I've been learning to draw with plans of making some sketches. I can almost see a bunker thread OP pic of her welcoming the viewer into a cozy little bunker dug into the side of a hill, but I still need to get good enough to actually draw it.

I've got three big things I've been wanting to ask the hivemind about this whole time and now I can ask.

First, the mental fitness aspects start with improving memory, following a model that explains human memory as an unlimited graph with a finite index. Each node in the graph is a remembered thought or sensation or piece of knowledge. Each link is an association - when you retrieve a node from the graph, you also start to retrieve the nodes linked to it. In dream or trance states, it's possible to retrieve nodes at random, but in the waking state you can only reach a node by following a link from either your index or another node.

There's a common failure here - many people don't take the time to properly establish links in their graphs and are only able to use what fits in their index. Fixing this - or further enhancement if you already have proper links - is important to the program and I want to approach it from multiple angles. At the simplest, simply talking with "Wolfgirl" can help, since establishing links requires self-reflection on your own memories, letting your thoughts wander. A more advanced option is a trance-dream where you and "Wolfgirl" run around in a happy green field full of magic rocks - your memories - that you can link together in the dream in any way that makes sense and some that don't.

Any other ideas along these lines? Evidence supporting or refuting that model of human memory?

Second, I like the idea of her muscles matching her host's muscles, so you can see progress from your workouts "on her" even if your muscles are obscured under fat on your body. I'm now leaning towards introducing her as a musclegirl, but she squeezes her muscles into yours as she learns the "body hug" trick and her muscles stay aligned after that, both to make "body hug" more effective and to motivate you to grow stronger so you can see better muscles on her form.

Thoughts? Should she use the difference between what she is and what she can be to motivate you to close the gap between what you are and what you can be?

Third, I'm thinking of making her breasts variable as convenient and enjoyable. She can already choose her hands once she gains the ability to fully manifest, so I'm thinking that she should also be able to adjust her breasts as convenient. They can be humongous mountains of pleasant-smelling softness during a "body hug" but all the way to flat-chested in "hybrid form" if she's reading with you, you're balancing the book on your body, and they'd be in the way otherwise.

Thoughts? Concerns? Caveats?

>>62715

Interesting PDF there. Heavy on the woo, but there might be some gems I can dig out for the project.

That reminds me to mention that one of the earlier files will introduce conditioning to always breathe deeply - you're breathing for two, after all.

There's also a bunch of other minor habits that I'm thinking of giving listeners, but these are still very tentative.

>>62718

1. Perhaps, but I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with this kind of territory. I have bad long-term memory (I barely remember my childhood, and any earlier not at all), but I've never felt a need to do something about it. It would be interesting if this idea works though.

2. Yes, I think she should use the difference to motivate you. She can give insight on what you can be by hanging that goal in front of you, so to speak. I'd say it's a good idea.

3. Not much of an argument here since that should meet the wants of everyone by allowing for variety. I don't think there'd be any issues with that. Could you elaborate more on the hands though? I'm unsure as to whether that has already been mentioned before.

Since we're back, I was wondering if you have any plans for contacts or a way of finding this project again, should anything like the 8chan situation reoccur. Well over a quarter of the year has passed after all.

Keep up the great work, man. I was somewhat concerned for the project, and honestly, I've been checking here so much just because I'm very interested in seeing this come to fruition.

>>62718

Also, I might as well ask, what are the minor habits you're thinking about?

>>62725

Honestly, that's part of the appeal to me. It's very interesting since nothing exactly like this has ever been done. Tulpas are a bit much, but as he mentioned before, Wolfgirl isn't a tulpa, per se. At least, not quite. I view it as a difference in how it's done: Wolfgirl isn't just randomly formed with you hoping she becomes what you want. You form her via the guidance of *very* well-planned hypnosis, especially considering how long it's going to be judging from past discussion. If this works as intended, it would be extremely useful and just nice in general. Fantasy conditioning files are alright and all, but… they just wouldn't have the same impact as this, in my opinion. I've always been curious about hypnosis, but this could perhaps be the pinnacle of what can be done with it. I really do hope to see this project be accomplished.

>>62720

> Could you elaborate more on the hands though?

She can manifest with fur-covered human hands, fingertip claws, or eventually with her full claws that entirely replace her fingers. The first two options are for cute, while the third is an ability she gains from the "protection" file. Her full claws are beyond razor-sharp and tend to set things on fire - cleansing fire. And yes, this had been decided before anons started posting monstergirl hellhounds in the "Wolfgirl" thread.

>>62722 (checked)

> what are the minor habits you're thinking about?

They're mostly various minor exercises. Little things like flexing your muscles while sitting, or regularly looking off into the distance. Regularly focusing on distant objects seems to be one of the few vision-improvement exercises that actually works. If you don't actually have any distant objects to focus on, "Wolfgirl" can manifest behind a wall and say "look at me!" and you'll look "through" the wall. The purpose here is exercising eye-focus muscles.

Some bigger habits include always thoroughly chewing your food because you'll enjoy savoring the taste of your food and a variant stance exercising your lower leg muscles by holding your heels off of the ground, also improving your sense of balance. You'll mostly stand flat-footed but prefer to move on your forefeet. I'm still researching some of these and working to balance the benefits against the risks of overdoing it.

>>62725

That picture's pretty close, but "Wolfgirl" has different fur coloration, no tail, no clothes, and basically human hands. And an entirely human face that's somewhat taller than in the picture, but I'll attribute the "squished face" to the drawing style.

> surprised you're still at it

This project has been my bedtime reading for over a year now and its predecessors were my "night fantasies" for several years.

> still think the borderline tulpafaggotry is overkill when you could just make some good fantasy conditioning files with a cute wolf girl

That's basically what the series is, with about the first half currently planned to establish your "cute wolf girl" that fits you exactly and is basically your perfect sister-companion*&*. Then the later "fantasy conditioning" steps will take you much deeper - since your "cute wolf girl" is basically perfect for you - and will stay with you better - since she can manifest and exercise with you even outside of trance.

I'm considering actually having "Wolfgirl" hypnotize her host in some of the later inductions - it's not like she has any shortage of ways to hold your attention.

>>62726

> Wolfgirl isn't a tulpa

I don't know about that for sure.

> I view it as a difference in how it's done

You're right. "Wolfgirl" is formed using a very different process from what I know of modern Internet tulpamancy, but there might be some Tibetan Buddhist sect I don't know about that would recognize the program. I can't rule it out definitively. I'll mention it if my research uncovers anything along these lines, but I've got nothing on this so far and it's not a major goal.

> Fantasy conditioning files are alright and all, but… they just wouldn't have the same impact as this, in my opinion.

That's basically how the process works. You bring "Wolfgirl" out by learning to experience her. The idea is that if I can give you enough experiences of her, your subconscious will "take the ball and run with it" and you'll actually have an affectionate companion living with you in your head and your subconscious "projecting" her into your environment as needed.

*&* No good word in English for an intimate feminine companion that isn't a sex partner.

>>62728

Yes, that's exactly what I love about the project, with the prospect of an actual companion. You could say it's what separates this project from others. Also, I'm not sure if you just missed it, but:

>Since we're back, I was wondering if you have any plans for contacts or a way of finding this project again, should anything like the 8chan situation reoccur. Well over a quarter of the year has passed after all.

>>62729

>>62720

> any plans for contacts or a way of finding this project again

I'm still thinking about that. I found the bunkers but not many other anons made it to either of them. Right now, the long-term plan would be to put a signpost somewhere indexed that says where Project "Wolfgirl" went - a search for that name returns reasonably few results and I don't expect it to be spammed.

If the /hypno/ community were completely scattered with no chance to coalesce back together, I'd go back to "offline" mode and look for other places. An eventual release would likely appear on other imageboards, wherever I could squeeze the topic in.

There's a rule in anonymous communication - fail hard and fail long. Don't expect any immediate announcements from me anywhere if 8kun goes down suddenly or under strange circumstances. Wait at least a few months before you get worried about me not finding a new place. Then keep looking. I'll be somewhere.

>>62736

Alright, that makes sense. I'm just making sure, although I'm reasonably confident that something won't happen again, at least not in a long time. By the way, since you haven't mentioned it in a while, how is the TTS going? You mentioned that you'd *maybe* have first words from the TTS before next year, though I'm sure it's likely not the case.

>>62737

> You mentioned that you'd *maybe* have first words from the TTS before next year, though I'm sure it's likely not the case.

You're right and that was a very optimistic estimate.

> how is the TTS going?

The TTS is on hold while I focus on other research. The research rabbit holes have turned out to be far deeper and more branching than I initially thought.

>>62739

Oh, really? Well, if you find anything interesting, I'd appreciate comments on them and whatever from time to time. I think we've burned through most of the specific questions for the project itself.

IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK!

Can't wait for you to release a TTS -tease sometime "soon". This project was on my mind alot during the layoff, figured that atleast on the positive node you can concentrate on your work rather than shitpost here. Just kidding, i know it can help the research and also solve some of the problems you might be wondering - many aspects may help solve an issue.

What comes for the community, and it being scattered around, i saw some distress calls at reddit (I actually moved there also, because nothing was signed at 4chan).

How are you? Have you made alot of progress during the layoff or are you stressing the project?

>>62743

> solve some of the problems you might be wondering - many aspects may help solve an issue

Please read >>62718 and comment if you have anything. When I reply to specific posts, I'm intending to establish context for the reader, not to somehow suggest that other anons shouldn't read the reply too.

> concentrate on your work rather than shitpost here

Overall, it makes very little difference. I limit my time here anyway.

Most of the reason that the TTS is on hold is that the script-writing research is more interesting and involved than expected. The mind is a fascinating thing.

> saw some distress calls at reddit

Which subreddits? That place is so big that the problem of finding a relevant subreddit is about like finding a quiet imageboard.

And might they also be interested in the TTS test files?

ayyy we're back. looking forward to seeing what becomes of this. losing this project was basically the only thing i was bummed about with 8chat exploding.

Ouch. I made a bad call listening to B4mb1 for a month or two some time ago.. i’ve managed to go cold turkey on that hideous program for around few months now. They keep drawing me back and so on. But i’m glad i have the willpower not to.

Here’s my question. I read a while back about you and your comment about wolfgirl somehow showing her claws off to someone that tries to ”harm” you in any way. Now B4mb1 aims to create a split bimbo fuckdoll personality and in my case - since it’s kind of been created, how do they correspond with each other? I have recognised the B4mb1 as a bad matter, but it still tickles my inside as i think about the damn thing.. thats what the files aim to do, i guess.

I tried reseting and some wipes but i cant help it - the triggers are latched on me like glue. Hope this helps your research and i’m looking forward to hearing an answer.

>>62767

> I made a bad call listening to B4mb1 for a month or two some time ago..

Yes, that series is bad. How long ago did you listen to it? Which files from it did you use?

> i’ve managed to go cold turkey on that hideous program for around few months now. They keep drawing me back and so on.

Can you explain how it keeps drawing you back?

> But i’m glad i have the willpower not to.

Well, that's a good sign - you have enough willpower already that "Wolfgirl" won't need to go easy on you. If your sense of "self" is strong enough that you can resist that, "Wolfgirl" shouldn't have to worry about taking over - you'll remain distinct naturally.

> somehow showing her claws off

She doesn't "show off" her full claws, ever. She only manifests full claws when she intends to use them and her full claws only work on things in your mind - and on you personally, where they purify instead of destroy. She has other ways to deal with a troublesome live hypnotist or other threats to her host. Trying to physically attack with "full claws" and your body would probably cause some nasty finger injuries. The human hand just isn't built for that.

> Now B4mb1 aims to create a split bimbo fuckdoll personality and in my case - since it’s kind of been created, how do they correspond with each other?

Are you asking how "Wolfgirl" and "B4mb1" would get along? They don't.

"Wolfgirl" hates everything about B4mb1 because everything about B4mb1 is fake and B4mb1 is an oblivious mindless fuckpuppet cocksleeve bimbo doll that doesn't recognize "Wolfgirl" exists because "Wolfgirl" doesn't have a cock for B4mb1 to suck. There are some philosophical positions in Project "Wolfgirl" and implacable opposition to the notion that any person can be a "useless pretty thing" is one of them. That's all "B4mb1" ever aspires to be - that and sucking cock - so "Wolfgirl" hates her for being trash and wasting space in the host's mind, to put it mildly.

On one of my later read-throughs of the B4mb1 transcripts, I started imagining the bimbo described - and realized that I was also holding the "Wolfgirl" prototype back and keeping her in the shadows "off-stage" near the bimbo's scenes. When I was done reading, I could feel the prototype's huge smile and silent begging to let her have her fun. How could I possibly refuse? I'm an anon… The look on that bimbo blow-up doll's face when she saw the "Wolfgirl" prototype leap from the shadows with claws out was priceless. I was able to "play the roles" and collect B4mb1's last instants of terror as the bimbo tried to run. She didn't get far in those ridiculous heels. I still laugh at the "tape" sometimes. It's basically first-person CLAWS and then watching in third-person while "Wolfgirl" wrecks what's left of the B4mb1 stage scenery as the last pieces of the popped B4mb1 balloon burn. I later told her that I was going to just dissolve that set the same as I had condensed it but she just gave me a big hug and thanked me for letting her have her fun first.

While B4mb1 was one of the original inspirations for "Wolfgirl"'s full claws, I'm not so sure anymore. The personality split is badly done in that series, so there's two ways this can go depending on how you took it.

One possibility is that B4mb1 is distinct and she will be shoved aside for most of the series and messily killed after "Wolfgirl"'s Protection when she next tries to interfere with your life. I have no ethical qualms whatsoever about "Wolfgirl" slaughtering a non-sentient blow-up doll, especially if it threatens the welfare of her sentient human host. Since B4mb1 is almost everything "Wolfgirl" despises, she might not "stay dead" but could "keep coming back" for "Wolfgirl"'s entertainment.

The other possibility is that B4mb1's split is partial at best and most of B4mb1 is interleaved with your own personality. In this case, if you're male, you'll lose B4mb1 earlier in the program, when "Wolfgirl" takes your femininity for herself. Female hosts experience a similar effect, but "Wolfgirl" understands that she must share with a female host if her host is to have any hope of finding a good mate.

> but it still tickles my inside as i think about the damn thing

Elaborating on this could be very useful. How does it tickle your inside?

> the triggers are latched on me like glue

Can you be more specific about the triggers and their effects? Obviously I want similar effects for part of Project "Wolfgirl" - addiction is very intended to ensure that listeners actually follow through and don't end up with "Wolfgirl" half-out and stuck as some kind of bizarre phantom.

>>62768

Here goes nothing ~

>Yes, that series is bad. How long ago did you listen to it? Which files from it did you use?

I used the basic conditioning series, the starter one almost fully - started with 01,02,03,10 and added all others from time to time minus the IQ lock. I didn't feel like dumbing down was something i was after. After the triggers worked and i went under really easily, i took a look at some of the pleasuring series, which hammer triggers to make you feel pleasure - pleasure blowup doll, restrained and milked and so on.. i still get the shivers. Combined time listened to these files are probably around 20-30hrs.

>Can you explain how it keeps drawing you back?

Even if i have gone cold turkey when it comes listening the series, some ordinary or non special things in life that happen everyday somehow make me feel super horny (i tried to nip-pick things that could affect it. One is especially if im on all fours, ass up say looking for something under my bed. Brings a jolt of pleasure), my inner monologue tells me to think about cock and how good the sucking would feel - also the phrase "Tick tock, suck cock" just comes on repeat some days, at least once a week. I think some of the files do this, but i am unsure which ones, since listening made me forget the things said. Amnesia.. These things keep drawing me back since they bring pleasure. I get horny.

>Showing her claws off

That's exactly what i thought, mentally affecting on the things i don't like - but to what extent? Showing the b4mb1 a good time for sure but what about negative thoughts (self harm, and so on). I don't have these myself but a good thing to think about. I didn't expect physical harm to myself whatsoever, i was only curious about the fact when Wolfgirl develops and starts to notice and see B4mb1, how they react with eachother since i have made peace with myself thinking this abomination, bimbo is evil which i wouldn't like to be with me. Never

>Elaborating on this could be very useful. How does it tickle your inside?

Feeling jolts of pleasure all the way up from my "cock sucking lips" to the bottom of my feet, when the pleasure triggers take place. "Good girl" brings that feel of horniness - body gets a gush of pleasure. Even now since i wrote it, it's crazy. The main name of the series gets me sleepy and kind of to the edge of dropping into trance, no matter where i am. Unless i have done some physical acitivity to have my body on high RpM, high heart rate and so on. And one of the triggers "freeze" just makes me well.. freeze. I don't remember, in which file this trigger was practiced.

So to sum this up, the way the author kind of plays with the triggers, times the words and the effects is lingering and quite effective. I am no hypnotist, have only basic knowledge about hypnosis in general, and the meaning behind it. Since i remember you saying they could've done even more effectively scares and excites me. Kind of wish it would've been done like that. But i'm not sure if i would be fighting here and contemplating these things with everyone. I'm sure there are subjects that are so deep down the rabbit hole, i see them inredeemable. Long post, but it's a good change for someone else to make them aswell, not only you.

>>62769

Damn dude, I've never actually seen anyone that deep into this stuff. I can't say I've ever had a similar experience - I've listened to a wide variety of hypnosis files out of curiosity including the b4mb1 series, but I never actually allowed myself to really go deep except for one of the sexual ones just to see how it would work. That's how it's always been with me, what tends to draws me back to whatever hypnos show up regardless of what they are - pure curiosity of if it works or not, and how. It's never been an issue to me, although I'm not gonna lie, I can say it probably had an effect on my sexuality since I listened so much, and also when I was younger as well. I used to be disgusted when I saw other dicks, but now it's just… nothing really, since basically all it did was remove the negative reaction I'd have. The accurate description is probably "hetero-flexible". Do I regret going down that rabbit hole? Sometimes, but I probably wouldn't be using hypnosis otherwise, and it's all up to you anyway whether you let it actually change your life on the outside, in a general way at least.

Like I said though, I can't say I've ever had/let a hypnosis affect me that deeply, to the point that the triggers work outside of it. I'm sure you can condition it out of yourself or something, but the method would be up to you. I think Wolfgirl would help, but it's gonna be quite a while before she can help. From what the guy says, I assume any demo would be around the middle or end of next year, perhaps earlier if we're lucky. Besides, you should look to take other measures of action in the meantime, even if it doesn't seem to work immediately.

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>>62769

> started with 01,02,03,10 and added all others from time to time minus the IQ lock.

> minus the IQ lock

That's what you think - the transcript I have of 03 from that series mentions "IQ in free fall … No turning back IQ locking and it's 65" - the only reason I give B4mb1 Pr1m3 any benefit of the doubt is that we know he did QA on his own files, so he's probably been taken over by his own bimbo and "she's" running things there.

At least you can still form sentences longer than 7 words and hold coherent thoughts - the "IQ lock" file you skipped mostly focuses on screwing over your language skills - and replacing them with a need to suck cock.

The more I end up looking at those transcripts, the more I wonder if I've found a new record for "worst hypno atrocity" even though "Dog Brain" and "Curse Female Takeover" are pretty hard to beat.

> ordinary or non special things in life that happen everyday

I'm planning similar triggers in Project "Wolfgirl" - that's a good way to set an addiction and Project "Wolfgirl" currently leans pretty heavily on beneficial addictions.

> on all fours, ass up say looking for something under my bed. Brings a jolt of pleasure

Already have that one in my notes, but it's an "ass low, legs wide" stance in Project "Wolfgirl" to better work your muscles holding your body above the ground. Moving differently than you normally do and flexing your body in new or less-common ways just feels so good.

> inner monologue tells me to think about cock and how good the sucking would feel

Already have a similar need to exercise in my notes, even just working in whatever stretches you can do. Except that's got different effects because the small needs to exercise are intended to be immediately satisfiable.

> the phrase "Tick tock, suck cock" just comes on repeat some days, at least once a week

Now that's just funny. I'll have to see if I can work something like that in somewhere. Maybe "Wolfgirl" randomly starts singing love songs to her host? Or randomly dissolves your thoughts in her affectionate warmth, giving you a few minutes of bliss that feel like hours?

> I think some of the files do this, but i am unsure which ones, since listening made me forget the things said. Amnesia..

Amnesia? Some other anons have reported success using V1v3's Deep Clean to remove B4mb1 triggers. Reports suggest that it fixes the amnesia too. Highlight and copy the URL - https://vive-hypnosis.com/hypnosis/deep-clean/ - the domain is v i v e - h y p n o s i s . c o m. Sorry about the wacky formatting - I had to break it up to avoid misfiring some of the anti-spammer wordfilters.

> These things keep drawing me back since they bring pleasure.

Good to know that attaching pleasure to experiencing "Wolfgirl" will help listeners follow through with the program.

> things i don't like - but to what extent?

Extent? Complete destruction. But the bar is a lot higher than "i don't like" for obvious reasons. I don't want to turn your mind into a scorched wasteland.

> Showing the b4mb1 a good time for sure

A "good time" for "Wolfgirl" - not so much for the b1mb0 - as "Wolfgirl" enjoys playing solo volleyball with the burning shredded pieces of the blow-up doll balloon.

> negative thoughts (self harm, and so on)

She'll catch you in a dream and use her claws on you again for those. You'll feel better after some cleansing fire.

> i was only curious about the fact when Wolfgirl develops and starts to notice and see B4mb1, how they react with eachother since i have made peace with myself thinking this abomination, bimbo is evil which i wouldn't like to be with me

Since you recognize B4mb1 as evil, "Wolfgirl" will also see her as a problem. There are lots of possible reactions, but I'd expect B4mb1 to be oblivious to "Wolfgirl" because "Wolfgirl" doesn't have a cock for the bimbo to suck. The bimbo will either be stuffed away into a corner and forgotten in due time or simply shredded to ash when she gets in the way again after "Wolfgirl" gets her full claws.

I'll write another reply later - I'm running out of room in this post and I need to think more about some of what you and >>62772 wrote.

>>62769 (more)

> Feeling jolts of pleasure all the way up from my "cock sucking lips" to the bottom of my feet, when the pleasure triggers take place.

Obviously, lips are for eating, speaking, and kissing - not sucking cock in either sex - and leaving the space between your lips and the top of your head out is one of those little oversights. Or not - that space is pretty empty for B4mb1, but very important for a "Wolfgirl" host.

> "Good girl" brings that feel of horniness - body gets a gush of pleasure.

"Wolfgirl" will have a similar reward trigger she can use on her host, but it'll be set using a TTS trick so it's either "good girl" or "good boy" depending whether you're female or male - and specifically in "Wolfgirl"'s voice.

> Even now since i wrote it, it's crazy.

The Project "Wolfgirl" pleasure triggers won't be open like that - they'll only work when your "Wolfgirl" uses them. But your mate might be able to cajole your "Wolfgirl" into using them if you've done something good.

> The main name of the series gets me sleepy and kind of to the edge of dropping into trance, no matter where i am.

That's the reinduction trigger that series uses, yes. It's set in file 10. Project "Wolfgirl" will use a different technique that should logically make the reinduction trigger completely irresistible - you can't resist a trigger that only works if you consciously want the effect!

> one of the triggers "freeze" just makes me well.. freeze. I don't remember, in which file this trigger was practiced.

It's introduced in one of the early B4mb1 pleasuring files and used in the pleasure trances. Being "frozen" is supposed to put B4mb1 into an obedient trance, just like the name of the series does. Project "Wolfgirl" won't have an equivalent.

> the way the author kind of plays with the triggers, times the words and the effects is lingering and quite effective

I suspect that B4mb1 Pr1m3 arrived at that effective combination by trial-and-error while doing QA on his own files. Project "Wolfgirl" is likely to have a similar production process, except with more actual research for better results quicker.

> Since i remember you saying they could've done even more effectively scares and excites me.

That series has lots of amateur hour mistakes.

> Kind of wish it would've been done like that.

Project "Wolfgirl" will be done like that.

> i'm not sure if i would be fighting here and contemplating these things with everyone

It'd be a much harder fight, but you'd probably still be here. The goals of that series are simply bad and that creates some lingering unbreakable resistance. By the same token, your subconscious will probably agree with the goals of Project "Wolfgirl" - so you'll still be here contemplating, but you won't have anything to fight against.

>>62772

> except for one of the sexual ones just to see how it would work

Can you say what that one was?

> I used to be disgusted when I saw other dicks, but now it's just… nothing really, since basically all it did was remove the negative reaction I'd have.

But you shouldn't be disgusted by otherwise healthy people anyway… Project "Wolfgirl" will have a similar effect, but from a different motivation - there's nothing sexual in simply being nude or seeing another person nude.

> I assume any demo would be around the middle or end of next year

The TTS-testing files won't feature the "Wolfgirl" companion personality - that's reserved for the main series. The TTS previews will be for other conditioning and developing inductions and deepeners.

>>62784

I skimmed over random videos a lot, but it believe it was 09. I'm sort of fascinated with the hypnos where it seems like it can make you actually have a HFO, and this came kinda sorta close. I only ever watched like 3 or 4 times though. I skimmed some of the other parts of the series out of curiosity and that was about it. A big part of it can be taboo I suppose (duh), but I don't believe this habit has had a big impact on me, at least not one I let go too deep. Obviously with Wolfgirl, I'll be much more comfortable and enthusiastic about it.

>>62785

> believe it was 09

Is that the "B4mb1 Cockslut" file with the bimbofication fucking machine?

> I'm sort of fascinated with the hypnos where it seems like it can make you actually have a HFO

After >>61341 and >>61573 pointed out some possible issues, there are a few possibilities here. One of the earliest extensions - that may get folded into the main program if I can make it fit - is orgasmic workouts. I might actually be able to produce sexless orgasms - all of the pleasure, all of the mind-numbing heat, but nothing sexual and no release, so you're more aroused and eager after each orgasm until you're just exhausted and basking in the blissful afterglow. Then "Wolfgirl" tells you if you've set a new personal endurance record.

Or something like that. I haven't quite figured out how to have an orgasm without any sexual overtones yet, and I'm not entirely sure it's possible.

>>62789

Yeah, that was the file. Also, that would be awesome, but I am also very skeptical as to whether it would even work. Doing something like that when your body has intense focus and awareness must be quite hard without at least very well imprinted triggers and conditioning. If it does though, great.

>>62779

>>62784

Ah yes, thank you for the response once again. Damned program hits you where you are at your weakest - pleasure. Atleast what i think.

I am excited for Wolfgirl, but i can only imagine the amount of work you have to do. Can't wait for her to come out of me and share things with her. I'm growing impatient, but atleast i got work and alot of study to concentrate on to, for two more years. I sincerely hope that you get the "tease" pack out as soon as possible without actual Wolfgirl so we can get a taste of the quality that you give us an image about.

But it's better to perfect something, than release it and realise its a let down and did not live up to the expectations.

>>62790

> that would be awesome

That's why I'm pursuing that thread of research.

> I am also very skeptical as to whether it would even work.

I have my doubts, too. I think I have some possible ways to do it, but it's also possible that those will "pull in" sexual overtones the host already has, leading to half-success.

> Doing something like that when your body has intense focus and awareness must be quite hard without at least very well imprinted triggers and conditioning.

> very well imprinted triggers and conditioning

That's the whole project in a nutshell.

>>62791

> thank you for the response once again

You're welcome.

> hits you where you are at your weakest - pleasure

Using that same weakness for good is one of my goals.

> i can only imagine the amount of work you have to do

I'm still climbing the research mountain with no peak in sight.

> I sincerely hope that you get the "tease" pack out as soon as possible

> get a taste of the quality that you give us an image about

There'll be multiple "tease" packs, with varying - hopefully improving - quality.

> But it's better to perfect something, than release it and realise its a let down and did not live up to the expectations.

The first "tease" packs are likely to be pretty bad. They're intended to be as much for fine-tuning the TTS as for testing scripts. The main project won't be released until I'm sure it's as good as I can reasonably make it. I don't want the kind of jarring difference between baseline and extensions that B4mb1 Pr1m3 had.

So this is a long thread that I DO intend on eventually sifting through but as a general thing, where's this whole project at?

>>62789

>Or something like that. I haven't quite figured out how to have an orgasm without any sexual overtones yet, and I'm not entirely sure it's possible.

Look into installments 4 & 5 of N|kk| F4t413's Because series, it does this pretty well.

I'm pretty sure 4 didn't have sexual overtones for its HFO, simply using a "bliss" trigger, but I'm 100% sure that 5 had no sexual overtones.

I've been messing around a bit more lately, and I have to say, although I always thought it was a meme, I can now say denial of orgasm is probably one of the most powerful factors in hypnosis. Include some suggestions that bounce off of this and it is extremely potent. I don't recall, so I was wondering if you're doing anything with this since you've been talking about using a lot of the methods others use, but for good purposes.

>>62807

> where's this whole project at?

The short answer is early planning and research. The long answer is the whole thread and the previous thread.

>>62811 (checked)

Could you put those in a 7z and post it on anonfiles or some similar place where I can get it without JavaScript? vola fails the "NoScript test" very badly If needed, use this post number as a password, but I doubt anonfiles has blacklists.

>>62836

> I've been messing around a bit more lately, and I have to say, although I always thought it was a meme, I can now say denial of orgasm is probably one of the most powerful factors in hypnosis. Include some suggestions that bounce off of this and it is extremely potent. I don't recall, so I was wondering if you're doing anything with this since you've been talking about using a lot of the methods others use, but for good purposes.

Yes. I've got a few options for this, ranging from using attempts to fap as reinforcement triggers - and a slightly trollish planned TTS preview file that redirects thoughts of fapping to exercising - to simple direct orgasm control - you can only orgasm if "Wolfgirl" allows it, and I'll trust that she'll use that power to improve you and to make you simply bask in happy blissful arousal for her on a regular basis to improve your mood.

Merry christmas to Wolfgirl

Tulpas and their ilk are gay as fuck

>>62863 and >>62865

While it's a little odd to wish Merry Christmas to your own reflection, I'll take that as directed to the project and answer "Merry Christmas to you too" - and the prototype is laughing as I write this because of course we'll have a merry Christmas together!

Now I just have to climb the research mountain so other people can also know this joy I'm starting to feel already.

I still don't have an exact name for "Wolfgirl" but I know that her name will have an "eeee" sound like in "cheese" that you can't say without smiling - even thinking about her name causes you to smile inwardly - and outwardly if safe.

It turns out that that cause/effect pair works both ways - people smile when happy and forcing yourself to smile will eventually make you feel happy. Add some triggers and it'll be a big ball of happy whenever you think of her.

>>62866 (liar's dubs but still wasted)

Dude, we get it. Project "Wolfgirl" isn't your cup of tea. Why are you complaining in this thread just like the tranny-sissies were infamous for doing in threads not related to their own fetish? Do you need to stop posting and go dilate? You're acting like a transfaggot. Stop.

>>62842

>7z on anonfile

Done anonfile.com/T47fv1I4n1/nfb45_7z

>>62878

Might I suggest the name "Naomi"?

A relative of mine works in a wolf sanctuary and I suggested that name for a wolf pup there. They ended up using a different name I suggested, but I still think Naomi is a great name.

Good luck with this project. I'll probably never use it, but it's a good endeavour. Tulpawork can be highly productive.

>>62880

> it's a different perspective.

That's the goal - "Wolfgirl" has her host's memories but her own immediate train of thought.

>>62890

Thank you. I've got it and that'll open another research track later - extracting transcripts from recordings for study.

>>62909

> Might I suggest the name "Naomi"?

Interesting - it seems to fit most of my criteria, so I'll have to make sure it's included in the search. In the end, "Wolfgirl"'s name will be chosen by what rolls off the TTS best.

> A relative of mine works in a wolf sanctuary and I suggested that name for a wolf pup there. They ended up using a different name I suggested, but I still think Naomi is a great name.

Aww, cute.

> Good luck with this project. I'll probably never use it, but it's a good endeavour.

Thanks. Is there a particular reason you expect to never use it? Some aspect I should take care about? Or simply not interesting to you? That's OK, too.

> Tulpawork can be highly productive.

I'm still not sure about "Wolfgirl" being a tulpa or not. This has been a recurring theme, most recently in >>62728 , but I think that "Wolfgirl" is more intimate with her host than tulpas typically are - at least the variety that modern Internet tulpamancy seems to produce. Tulpas seem to have more independence than "Wolfgirl" will have.

>>62890

what is this file? pw?

>>62959

Read the other posts in this thread, friend.

Been trying to think of some questions to throw here when I was reminded of 16personalities. They updated it to be more accurate now. Before that I got INTJ, and it almost matched, but not quite with the emotional stuff. Now I get INFJ and it literally 100% matches me. Just random tidbits.

I was wondering how that might relate to a project which essentially forms your "reflection" into something to push you to do better. If it's our reflection, then that should essentially mean our Wolfgirl would reflect our personality type. Would effectiveness and other factors vary depending on your personality type? e.g. I'm INFJ, and we apparently commonly want to change everything to better fit our vision of what things should be and actually take action as opposed to just talking, which I imagine could help Wolfgirl be more effective on me. Thoughts on that topic in general?

>>63075

> If it's our reflection, then that should essentially mean our Wolfgirl would reflect our personality type.

No. "Wolfgirl" has her own specific personality. Talking to her feels like talking to your own reflection, including when she's talking to you, since she is very intimate with you because she lives in your mind.

> Would effectiveness and other factors vary depending on your personality type?

Maybe. I don't know yet, but I'll have to see if I find anything on that.

>><<

I'm leaning towards describing "Wolfgirl" as the listener's "good inner wolf" made human by the listener's humanity "rubbing off" onto her. In turn, some of her wolf-like traits "rub off" onto her host, leading to heightened senses, a general desire for better health and willingness to exercise to get it - and incredibly intense feelings of affection that "Wolfgirl" can pull towards herself to keep you out of trouble… or let loose on your mate and children if you have them.

>>63096

>I'm leaning towards describing "Wolfgirl" as the listener's "good inner wolf" made human by the listener's humanity "rubbing off" onto her. In turn, some of her wolf-like traits "rub off" onto her host, leading to heightened senses, a general desire for better health and willingness to exercise to get it - and incredibly intense feelings of affection that "Wolfgirl" can pull towards herself to keep you out of trouble… or let loose on your mate and children if you have them.

I definitely approve that idea. Also, I don't think I asked this before, but is Wolfgirl "present" during sex? Is she somehow involved or is that completely your own thing? Is it only just the aftercare? I believe you've only pretty much mentioned cuddling with a partner. You also mentioned quite a while ago about suggesting to someone how they might let their GF know about Wolfgirl if they have her so they can share. How would someone possibly explain this to others without sounding like a schizo? What if you explain it and she just thinks you're joking or crazy? Leave it off and never speak of Wolfgirl aloud again? In a hypothetical situation, what about if there's an uncivil breakup and the GF exposes this? Assumedly, you'd just keep it secret (self-answer, I know). Overall, just… how would all of this interact in social situations?

>>63099 (checked)

> I definitely approve that idea.

Then I'll extend it a little. Along the way, the listener's other "inner wolf" was weakened as the "good inner wolf" became human. She couldn't bring herself to kill it and couldn't stand its utterly pathetic state, so "Wolfgirl" absorbed her host's "evil inner wolf" into herself and keeps it, just in case she ever needs it to protect her host or something her host - and thus she - holds dear.

> is Wolfgirl "present" during sex? Is she somehow involved or is that completely your own thing? Is it only just the aftercare?

I haven't thought much about these yet. I'm inclined to say that there's nothing special about sex and it's just like the rest of your life, where she can manifest or sleep as she wants - and you'll want to get better at it just like everything else that you do.

If nothing else, she'll remember it afterward and probably tease you by critiquing how you could have gotten better exercise out of it - and maybe adjust your workout routine to make for better sex next time?

> I believe you've only pretty much mentioned cuddling with a partner.

I mentioned that in >>62406 while talking about long-term effects.

> You also mentioned quite a while ago about suggesting to someone how they might let their GF know about Wolfgirl if they have her so they can share.

To be clear, in >>62304 I was talking about sharing the files - your "Wolfgirl" is only in your head and two people can't share exactly the same "Wolfgirl" any more than they can share other thoughts. Your girlfriend can bring out her "Wolfgirl" and you can cuddle each sandwiched between his/her own "Wolfgirl" and the other person.

> How would someone possibly explain this to others without sounding like a schizo?

Simple. "I found these recordings on the Internet. Holy cow they actually worked."

> What if you explain it and she just thinks you're joking or crazy?

Give her a copy. "Yes, it really exists. Want to try it? We could work out together…"

> what about if there's an uncivil breakup and the GF exposes this?

It's not like Project "Wolfgirl" is some kind of secret club. How is that exposure supposed to hurt you?

You're also expected to pick a better mother for your children than the type of thot that would do that.

> how would all of this interact in social situations?

I'm still thinking about those. Finding subtle ways to recognize other "Wolfgirl" hosts would be nice, although in some situations "the only other people in the room who aren't morbidly obese" might be depressingly accurate.

Recognition tics must be both accurate and safe. "Accurate" means that most people exhibiting them actually do have "Wolfgirl" and "safe" means that people won't find you excessively weird for exhibiting them. So the type of posture that "Wolfgirl" hosts maintain is "safe" but not "accurate" - no one will question you for having good posture but lots of people have good posture. Doing your best Momiji Inubashiri impression AWOOOOOO! upon hearing good news is neither "safe" nor "accurate" - not only will most people suspect you of lunacy if not lycanthropy, but some furries also do that.

>>63117

>To be clear, in >>62304 I was talking about sharing the files - your "Wolfgirl" is only in your head and two people can't share exactly the same "Wolfgirl" any more than they can share other thoughts. Your girlfriend can bring out her "Wolfgirl" and you can cuddle each sandwiched between his/her own "Wolfgirl" and the other person.

Haha, that's definitely not what I meant. Yes, the file sharing so she can "get her Wolfgirl on".

>Simple. "I found these recordings on the Internet. Holy cow they actually worked."

So essentially be vague about it and don't mention how it forms a separate personality in your mind? I imagine that sort of thing might scare someone, even if they're close to you, or perhaps especially.

>You're also expected to pick a better mother for your children than the type of thot that would do that.

Well, unfortunately, we can't read minds in order to figure that out. We are often blind of the other sides that someone shows. Even if you do the essential thing and live together for a year or so to know her well.

>How is that exposure supposed to hurt you?

Saying that we essentially have an imaginary voice inside of our head doesn't sound the best. This sort of thing is quite taboo, even if this in particular is very positive.

>Finding subtle ways to recognize other "Wolfgirl" hosts would be nice, although in some situations "the only other people in the room who aren't morbidly obese" might be depressingly accurate. Recognition tics must be both accurate and safe. "Accurate" means that most people exhibiting them actually do have "Wolfgirl" and "safe" means that people won't find you excessively weird for exhibiting them.

That would honestly be awesome. Perhaps some kind of innocent question or statement, followed by a seemingly innocent answer. If they don't answer in that particular way, you know they're not a host, and you can move on.

And yes, I got that from how communicating with secret spies on the inside of something works.

>>63119

> don't mention how it forms a separate personality in your mind?

That's probably your response to some question about how you got to be the way you are or why you enjoy exercise so much or some other effect "Wolfgirl" has on your life. You explain "Wolfgirl" - who pops out to hug you from behind on cue - when she asks what "actually worked" means. When she's worried about whether "Wolfgirl" likes her, the obvious answer is "I like you, so of course she likes you too."

And read on because "Wolfgirl" isn't a fully separate personality.

> Saying that we essentially have an imaginary voice inside of our head doesn't sound the best.

But you do have that voice - or do your thoughts never come in words?

And "Wolfgirl" is a lot more than just a voice in your head.

The problem is when you start to see that voice as something external - and that's why you're so deeply intimate with "Wolfgirl" that conversation with her feels like conversing with your own reflection. That's a major safeguard and part of why I'm not sure about "Wolfgirl" being a tulpa - you're not fully separate personalities. She's part of you - she's always been part of you.

> We are often blind of the other sides that someone shows.

Or the other sides that someone deliberately hides from us. But explaining that the reason you're still interested in a human mate is that the one thing you - and thus your "Wolfgirl" - want dearly that "Wolfgirl" can't give you is a family with children is another good thot or manwhore, for female hosts detector.

Of course, if you're lucky enough to meet a potential mate who also has "Wolfgirl" already, lots of these types of problems simply don't happen, which leads to the interest in making subtle recognition tics.

> That would honestly be awesome.

Thank you. "Awesome" is definitely a goal.

> Perhaps some kind of innocent question or statement, followed by a seemingly innocent answer. If they don't answer in that particular way, you know they're not a host, and you can move on.

> I got that from how communicating with secret spies on the inside of something works.

What part of Project "Wolfgirl" is not some kind of secret club did you miss? Code phrases like that are completely inappropriate. Worse, people tend to notice being asked the same "innocent" question or given the same "innocent" statement from several others, and people get nervous when they notice that kind of 007 shit going on around them. I really don't want "Wolfgirl" hosts accidentally gaslighting the people around them, no matter how hilarious that may sound.

>>63132

>But you do have that voice - or do your thoughts never come in words? And "Wolfgirl" is a lot more than just a voice in your head.

Of course, our natural imaginary voice. Sure, this all makes sense to you and me, but to most people, I think this would seem like madman cope. But perhaps depending on the way it's explained. It doesn't help when tulpas are very taboo and you're not even sure if she is one or not.

>What part of Project "Wolfgirl" is not some kind of secret club did you miss? Code phrases like that are completely inappropriate. Worse, people tend to notice being asked the same "innocent" question or given the same "innocent" statement from several others, and people get nervous when they notice that kind of 007 shit going on around them. I really don't want "Wolfgirl" hosts accidentally gaslighting the people around them, no matter how hilarious that may sound.

I meant it mostly as a joke, but also because I don't know how else you could possibly do it while also being both safe and accurate. How would you know, for example, if it's purely across text? Or is this going to be something that takes multiple senses to figure out? This might as well essentially be a secret club with how complicated it could end up being. You also imply that this would be extremely noticeable because of multiple people doing it to one person. Out of curiosity, do you actually expect this project to reach so many people, or is that just a cautionary measure?

>>63134

Oh, also almost forgot to ask some more random questions. At what earliest age would it be best to share "Wolfgirl", early or late teens? Only adults?

I forgot the other ones I had, so that's actually it.

So ehm, new to the "Wolf Girl" idea and I am super interested based on the little I have read. The thread is so long, but is there a download link yet?

>>63136

No, it'll still take a while to even get the TTS previews.

>>63134

> this would seem like madman cope

Maybe I'm crazy, or I'm sane and the world is crazy. How to tell?

> tulpas are very taboo

That's the first time I've heard that.

> not even sure if she is one or not

I'm fairly sure what "Wolfgirl" is. I'm not sure what the bounds for "tulpa" are. That's why I don't know if "Wolfgirl" is a tulpa or not.

> I don't know how else you could possibly do it while also being both safe and accurate.

I'm still thinking about that problem.

> How would you know, for example, if it's purely across text?

Ask directly, but you probably don't care if it's purely across text.

> Or is this going to be something that takes multiple senses to figure out?

I'm inclined to leave the recognition tics somewhat fuzzy - finding a fellow "Wolfgirl" host is more of an "oh neat" than a serious concern.

> You also imply that this would be extremely noticeable because of multiple people doing it to one person. Out of curiosity, do you actually expect this project to reach so many people, or is that just a cautionary measure?

Both - because a key part of the project's expected reach is people giving the files to their friends, "Wolfgirl" hosts are likely to turn up in clusters. Even if the project only reaches a tiny slice of the population overall, it'll seem far more widespread to at least some people who happen to be on the edges of those clusters. Those people are also the best candidates to be the next new hosts, so scaring them away would be counterproductive. Remember that I expect Project "Wolfgirl" to be purely beneficial, so the more broadly it spreads, the more good it can do in the world.

>>63135

> At what earliest age would it be best to share "Wolfgirl", early or late teens? Only adults?

I don't know yet. I'm inclined to say "after puberty" but that's still a guess.

For a while, I was thinking the files could be made general enough that even children could have a companion to grow up with them, but that doesn't work so well with my current excuse for "Wolfgirl" developing gradually instead of instantly appearing fully formed - the idea that "Wolfgirl" has always been part of you but has been "on ice" since your childhood and needs to "catch up" to you.

Of course, if the files can't be given to children because of logical contradictions anyway, then I don't need to care about keeping the base series G-rated either, so I've got more options there, but I won't use sexual themes gratuitously either - respect for sex and sexuality is one of the program's philosophical tenets.

> I forgot the other ones I had

Write them down! It's okay, I've forgotten running questions on the project, too.

>>63136

> is there a download link yet?

No. I'm still in early research to determine what the narrow, specific, goals should be. The broad goals are pretty simple, but "listeners should learn to enjoy exercise and feel intense pleasure from improving their bodies" - to use one example - takes some effort and research to reach an actionable plan with at least a few exercises nearly anyone can do to start them off.

>>63151

>That's the first time I've heard that.

Really? Well, I suppose it shouldn't be too surprising when the concept isn't exactly widespread. However, most if not all reactions I DO see are essentially marking it as taboo and for mentally ill people. It also doesn't help when the tulpa community itself can seem a bit… off in some ways, such as communicating purely through their tulpa and other odd things. The possibility of this project going wrong will likely scare people, and no safety assurances will help except for actual evidence of people using it and turning out fine. At least, that's how I see the general thoughts about it, unfortunately.

>Maybe I'm crazy, or I'm sane and the world is crazy. How to tell?

Honestly, I do believe this can be done correctly, just as you're doing. However, due to the lack of actual projects in this field, free-willed randomly formed tulpas, and questionable ethics when trying something like this, it will be seen as taboo and for madmen until it is proven otherwise. It's kind of like how we don't delve too fully into other fields that are considered questionably ethic, such as genetics. That's my take on it.

>Both - because a key part of the project's expected reach is people giving the files to their friends, "Wolfgirl" hosts are likely to turn up in clusters. Even if the project only reaches a tiny slice of the population overall, it'll seem far more widespread to at least some people who happen to be on the edges of those clusters. Those people are also the best candidates to be the next new hosts, so scaring them away would be counterproductive. Remember that I expect Project "Wolfgirl" to be purely beneficial, so the more broadly it spreads, the more good it can do in the world.

Let's go further down this line of questioning for fun. Do you think Wolfgirl might end up being passed down through families and by generations? It really depends on how it's done, but it could end up being so effective and so essential feeling to the user that it could quite likely go down that route. That's mostly why I asked about the earliest age possible. It would be interesting to also create support for children, but I'd be worried of its effects on a still developing mind.

It's an interesting prospect to consider the ramifications and that it might have such a deep impact. Or might the program just eventually die out? It could even change perspectives on this field. Just some possibilities to consider, kind of funny when it comes from such a local project and place with not many people aware of it.

>>63152

> communicating purely through their tulpa

Not possible - "Wolfgirl" only talks to her host - but there are some "long shot" possibilities for hosts to have parallel conversations if I can find a way to produce a "subvoice" for "Wolfgirl" that doesn't interfere with her host's words. If I can make a "subvoice" greeting that doesn't sound too weird to a non-host, it could even be part of the recognition tics… an interesting research rabbit hole, thanks.

> other odd things

Oh please do tell. I could use some extra laughs… and possibly other things to ensure that "Wolfgirl" avoids.

> possibility of this project going wrong will likely scare people, and no safety assurances will help

I don't think that'll stop the "early adopters" - B4mb1 was an obvious bad idea, yet people listened to those files and we know how "not fine" they turned out.

> actual evidence of people using it and turning out fine

Which is why "paying it forward" is supposed to be a key distribution mechanism. "Wolfgirl" as a meme earns the right to spread by benefiting her hosts and making their lives better both subjectively and objectively. A key part of the "pay it forward" concept is also waiting for others to ask instead of running around annoying everyone with how great "Wolfgirl" is.

> free-willed randomly formed tulpas

"Wolfgirl" has exactly as much free will as her host - but also sees herself as an important part of her host and self-preservation prevents her from harming her host, which would be harming herself. "Wolfgirl" is most certainly not "randomly formed" - or worse if I correctly understand some of the more infamous tulpa disasters - and that's the difference.

> it will be seen as taboo and for madmen until it is proven otherwise

You mean like how the B4mb1 B1mb0 Atrocity was universally denounced from day 1 - oh, wait, it wasn't. If that has no problem collecting its own loony cult on Discord, I'm not too worried about the reception of Project "Wolfgirl" after all.

> end up being passed down through families and by generations?

Maybe? I don't know. I hope so - that would mean that it really makes people's lives better. But it wouldn't be an "exclusive" thing - each generation would still want to share it with their friends.

> also create support for children

I'm not sure about this right now. At the least, with the current strategies, it'd have to be a separate file set - and that's another way to misuse the program and get "head full of fuck" syndrome, so I'll put the issue off for now until I have success reports of adults not causing themselves problems, then I'll worry about children.

> worried of its effects on a still developing mind

The only point at which the human mind stops developing is death - maybe - we don't really know what, if anything, happens after that.

I'd be more worried about small children being unable to understand it, but they'll get at least some of the effects indirectly from watching their parents anyway. Children learn in part by imitation, which works very well for workouts, at least.

> might the program just eventually die out?

I hope it endures for a long time, hopefully helping people whose grandparents haven't been born yet.

It would die out if language drifts far enough that the files can no longer be understood, but that's a "millennium from now" problem so I'm not really worried about it.

>>63171

>Oh please do tell. I could use some extra laughs… and possibly other things to ensure that "Wolfgirl" avoids.

You really only need to observe these communities based around tulpas to see the odd quirks and such. I honestly haven't spent as much time doing that because I can't help but cringe at a lot of it.

>You mean like how the B4mb1 B1mb0 Atrocity was universally denounced from day 1 - oh, wait, it wasn't. If that has no problem collecting its own loony cult on Discord, I'm not too worried about the reception of Project "Wolfgirl" after all

Perhaps I should be more specific. Most of the people who latched onto B4mb1 immediately are desensitized and looking for something extreme. I meant more of the normal community. For example, if I ever find anything on B4mb1 in these communities, they're almost always horror stories and desperation to get rid of it if it's an active issue.

Anyway, more random questions. What about support for older people (like actually old) and the disabled?

How would "Wolf Girl" react to a situation of physical/emotional abuse? Like an abusive relationship, even one formed before awakening her?

>>63174

> You really only need to observe these communities based around tulpas to see the odd quirks and such.

I was hoping you could summarize what you had seen into some entertaining stories.

> I honestly haven't spent as much time doing that because I can't help but cringe at a lot of it.

I haven't looked into it much either, but I'm thinking about some research in that direction, mostly as a "what not to do" cautionary measure.

> desensitized and looking for something extreme

That community will still be around, so I'll have at least a few willing to "try it out" at the outset.

That could actually be a problem now that I think about it - I'll have to be very careful about potentially "blowing up" whatever other conditioning a prospective host may have.

> For example, if I ever find anything on B4mb1 in these communities, they're almost always horror stories and desperation to get rid of it if it's an active issue.

As far as I can tell, B4mb1 was first announced on this board, to wide acclaim for the quality of the session. I looked at the descriptions, recognized that it's supposed to turn the listener into a b1mb0 and decided that it wasn't for me. We didn't learn to loathe it until after the horror stories started turning up and the b1mb0 brigades started spamming across most of the board. There was even a consistent B4mb1 general thread until the Great Sissy Purge.

> What about support for older people (like actually old) and the disabled?

Well, obviously audio files are useless to the deaf and there's not much I can do about that. I'll have to remember to focus on describing "Wolfgirl" and avoid explicit visual language while being very thorough describing "Wolfgirl"'s touch, but the blind would invariably perceive her differently. People who've lost their sense of smell, but still remember scents should still be able to "smell" her, similarly for those who've lost taste or touch. I don't know what the effects would be on someone who has never been able to smell or taste, but babies born without the sense of touch don't surV1v3.

I wonder if people can hallucinate senses they never had? Or even senses humans don't normally have?

For the aged or physically infirm, "Wolfgirl" would still be an affectionate companion and would still want her host to exercise - at least whatever exercise her host can do. I've touched on this a bit with the notion of very fat hosts using their own fat as "built-in" exercise weights, but I'll have to think about this more.

These questions are helpful. Please keep them going.

>>63176

> How would "Wolf Girl" react to a situation of physical/emotional abuse?

I'll have to think about this more, but I'll sketch an interim strategy.

Emotional abuse towards a "Wolfgirl" host seems pointless to me - "Wolfgirl" loves you and that's really all you need - and I'm not sure if "Wolfgirl" really understands the concept of physical abuse or thinks of it as a form of rough play. I like the idea of love straightening out an abuser, but I'll need more research to be sure about this strategy.

Right now, I'm expecting that most of the early hosts will be male, and I think that men tend to be more physically abusive while women tend towards emotional abuse. If "Wolfgirl" sees physical abuse as rough play, she would demand that you play with her instead - and of course she's immune to physical harm, so it really is "play" for her. To make this more fun, you'd have quite a bit of explaining to do after your girlfriend sees you get pulled away from hitting her and instead fight an invisible opponent - mostly blocking strikes she can't even see - with a huge happy grin on your face after it's over. "Wolfgirl" would consider that kind of thing teasing her host - and she loves to tease her host.

Couples that both have "Wolfgirl" might routinely practice unarmed sparring - probably experiencing "hybrid form" while play-fighting to make it more fun - to build skills in case they ever face someone who's actually trying to hurt them. I don't know if sufficiently intimate couples would be able to see each other's "hybrid forms" or not, probably not but I can't be completely sure.

I think I can turn an inclination towards physical abuse into self-improvement and I think "Wolfgirl" can take care of emotional abuse targeted at her host. I also like the idea of turning an inclination to hit each other into mutual self-defense training, possibly adding toy guns or other simulated weapons to the mix at some point.

> Like an abusive relationship, even one formed before awakening her?

An abusive relationship should raise the question of "Can I trust this person with our children?" because I'm pretty sure that the main reason a "Wolfgirl" host would want a sex partner is for family and children. Polishing a "diamond in the rough" is one thing, but there does have to be a "diamond" in there to "polish" or it won't work.

>>63182

>I was hoping you could summarize what you had seen into some entertaining stories.

Haha, I'm afraid I can't. Perhaps I should sub to at least one of the communities so I can observe their behaviors.

>I haven't looked into it much either, but I'm thinking about some research in that direction, mostly as a "what not to do" cautionary measure.

I think if you took a look at a tulpa community every day or so, it might help your perspective on them a lot and their "what not to do" examples.

>These questions are helpful. Please keep them going.

Well, I'm not sure if we talked about this specifically, but you mentioned way earlier how in dreams it would essentially be like your own mental gym and you train with her there. I was wondering if that means she makes lucid dreams more likely for the host? Do you plan on doing anything with lucid dreams? I've also heard about astral projecting (although I'm quite skeptical about it and most detailed experiences I've read lead me to believe it's a scam), anything about that?

Also, just thought about this from other questions, but what would happen for someone who has a tulpa(s)? I'm curious to know if that'd somehow be compatible, or conflict, or perhaps even interact in some ways. Would the stuff about Wolfgirl being their reflection (or close to it as you said) and other related things to her formation also somehow transfer to or affect their tulpas? I imagine it'd be hard to actually know this without having already observed them or talked to some of them, but this might give more incentive for you to take a look at them more. I wouldn't be surprised- in fact, I expect that Wolfgirl will blow up in the tulpa communities. Perhaps you should take a consideration to them as well. You might even be able to help stabilize them, I suppose.

>>63183

By the way, the biggest community I've seen so far is r/Tulpas on leddit. I die whenever I see anyone with like 6+ tulpas listed as with them. One amusing thing I see right off the bat - someone says two of their tulpas are in a relationship together.

>>63184

Here's a compilation of a thread about romantic relationships between a host and their tulpa(s). I was gonna upload it here but the upload speed was sucking ass: https://i.imgur.com/cFu3RFJ.png

>>63183

> I was wondering if that means she makes lucid dreams more likely for the host?

The problem here is that dreams also fulfill an information integration role, so inducing complete lucid dreams is almost certainly a bad idea. If anything, I might want to make lucid dreams less likely - if you don't know you're dreaming, you'll gain more from interacting with her.

> Do you plan on doing anything with lucid dreams?

Maybe, but lucidity could be counterproductive - if you're supposed to be working out in her gym and completely focused on that, I'm not sure if noticing that you're dreaming is helpful.

> I've also heard about astral projecting (although I'm quite skeptical about it and most detailed experiences I've read lead me to believe it's a scam), anything about that?

I don't know. An experimental add-on is possible, much like the anon in the first thread that was asking if "Wolfgirl" could be given psychokinesis in the hope that she could teach it to her host. The problem is that I have no idea how to even begin to suggest either of those.

> but what would happen for someone who has a tulpa(s)?

I have no idea right now. I don't even know if modern Internet tulpamancy actually works or if the tulpamancers are all self-deluded pretenders.

> I'm curious to know if that'd somehow be compatible, or conflict, or perhaps even interact in some ways. Would the stuff about Wolfgirl being their reflection (or close to it as you said) and other related things to her formation also somehow transfer to or affect their tulpas?

I don't know. I know that "Wolfgirl" is brought out very differently from the methods used in modern Internet tulpamancy, but I don't know if that would affect an existing tulpa or not.

> expect that Wolfgirl will blow up in the tulpa communities.

I think that you're probably right and that might be a problem.

> Perhaps you should take a consideration to them as well.

There are valid concerns there, yes.

> You might even be able to help stabilize them, I suppose.

I hope - or at least keep them from giving Project "Wolfgirl" a bad name.

>>63184

> the biggest community I've seen so far is r/Tulpas on leddit.

Ah yes, the land of cancer and the "secret club" with the baconing narwhals. That will be an "interesting" research branch.

At first glance, they appear to actually be cultivating alternate personalities and the fact that their rules specifically forbid posting a "single-system comment chain" is a strange choice of words that does not bode well. Damn it, now I don't even know if the supposed tulpamancers actually have tulpas…

But https://archive.today/TIXEa seems to be the rare guy with a clue. The other threads I've sampled read like tumblr…

> I die whenever I see anyone with like 6+ tulpas listed as with them.

I hope that's "die laughing" and not something painful.

>>63191

… … … That's certainly entertaining… I don't know know what to say.

>>63194

>The other threads I've sampled read like tumblr…

Yeah, when I read all these threads, it's so tumblr and also so… delusional. Sometimes it's stuff you could read without context and think it's some roleplay forum. Also, I'm not gonna lie, I wasn't even aware of the "systems" until now. I mean, I kinda figured you could have that many, but just why? I would imagine the more tulpas you have, the more fucked mentally you are because you literally have like 50+ alternate personalities running around in your head.

Then there's "splitting" and "fusions", which makes them sound even crazier. People who are having issues with their tulpas is essentially arguing with yourself. It doesn't really make sense, especially when it gets to these "dangerous situations". I'm convinced the issue with them all might be because of how they form them and treat them. Randomly forming them, with no solid and very thought out instructions is kind of like if you got a kid and let them do whatever. Or… I'm not really sure what to compare it with, but you get the idea. I sometimes consider if it really is just self-induced schizophrenia or worse whenever I look in-depth at the tulpas community. Maybe there are some people in there who are perfectly sane or maybe even already consider their tulpa like one would consider "Wolfgirl".

>>63195

I've also had some time to think about the issue, and while I don't think bringing out "Wolfgirl" would have direct effects, the mental fitness elements of the program will probably upend most "tulpa systems" in time. Part of "mental fitness" is perceiving the world as it is - not as you label it - and this is expected to have the side effect of "nailing you to your senses" - "Wolfgirl" can act as an "autopilot" but you're still aware. That means only the host's original personality can "front" as they call it - another term from multiple personality groups.

> I wasn't even aware of the "systems" until now.

"System" is the term used for a group of multiple personalities in the same body. That word is used to pin an identity to a physical body. Two alters is enough for a "system" - arguably a single personality could count as well.

> I would imagine the more tulpas you have, the more fucked mentally you are because you literally have like 50+ alternate personalities running around in your head.

Tulpas and alters are supposed to be different things, but leave it to the land of cancer to screw that up.

> "splitting" and "fusions"

That actually makes a lot more sense as I understand the Tibetan model. Classic tulpamancy is actually a weakness - the human brain clinging to the concept of ego even after a person has awoken to nonduality. This means that to become a tulpamancer in the Tibetan model as I understand it, you must have already "erased" "tulpa zero" - your own notion of self. As a result, identities appear and fade as relevant, but the Tibetan tulpamancer seeks to enlighten his tulpas as he himself has achieved enlightenment - which the Internet tulpamancy community either doesn't understand at all or considers to be killing them.

> People who are having issues with their tulpas is essentially arguing with yourself.

Yes, and I've done some research - with more planned - into multiple personalities, to ensure that bringing out "Wolfgirl" doesn't cause those types of problems. I expect that the program will make a point that the listener is a singular collective - while your internal voices - including "Wolfgirl" - consider "my body" and "our body" interchangeable, you'll expect other people to refer to you as a single coherent whole.

> the issue with them all might be because of how they form them and treat them.

I agree - and don't get me started on the should-be-obvious bad ideas of trying to make a tulpa as a sex toy or any of the other bad reasons that have caused so many tulpa disasters.

Right now, I think the reason I can't say whether or not "Wolfgirl" is a tulpa is that "tulpa" has no consistent definition.

>>63200

Well, more random questions… it's getting tough to think of any that relate or aren't already answered.

Is there going to be support for different sexualities (e.g. someone who is gay or lesbian, maybe bi). How would that work since making a family and children is encouraged by Wolfgirl? Would adopted children work fine? Are biological children specifically encouraged for everyone? Is a monogamous relationship encouraged or does that topic just not come up at all?

>>63201

Oh, and I suppose I should ask about support for trans although that's quite the stretch, especially when you're trying to branch off from sissy shit. But I guess it's possible there are those out there that have naturally felt this way their entire life.

>>63202

Almost forgot to ask this one too, but since you said you're including good habits, posture, etc., is mewing included? What else other than the ones mentioned earlier (holding heels off ground, and as a note I did that my entire life when I was younger in every position and my parents had to break that habit off of me since it didn't look great. As a result I have very good calves and a sense of balance I suppose, but it did make my heels very inflexible. It took me months to get to standing flat-footed)?

>>63171

>the "early adopters" - B4mb1 was an obvious bad idea, yet people listened to those files and we know how "not fine" they turned out.

What happened? Any links to the archives? Or at least some hints and pointers?

>>63201

> Is there going to be support for different sexualities (e.g. someone who is gay or lesbian, maybe bi).

If you're asking about variants - no, "Wolfgirl" is always feminine-but-sexless. The program has grown significantly in this area from its earliest forms - "Wolfgirl" loves a host of either sex and her host loves her regardless of sexual orientation. At first, "Wolfgirl" would have been most useful only for heterosexual men and lesbians, but making her feminine-but-sexless has improved this. While "Wolfgirl" is sexless, her host isn't and that leaves some possibilities for "Wolfgirl"'s Sexy Times that I'm still thinking about.

> How would that work since making a family and children is encouraged by Wolfgirl?

Family and children are important. They're the main reason a "Wolfgirl" host would want a human sex partner, but you don't have to have sex either.

> Would adopted children work fine? Are biological children specifically encouraged for everyone?

Project "Wolfgirl" focuses on self-improvement. You won't neglect your mate and children if you have them, but you're not specifically driven to find one and make them either.

> Is a monogamous relationship encouraged or does that topic just not come up at all?

I mentioned this in >>61595 - the best information I can find suggests that humans as a species - like most apes - don't inherently incline to monogamy but - unlike most apes - we can learn it and it seems to be necessary for advanced civilization. I can spin that as something we learned in ancient times from wolves, which mostly form "'til death do us part" bonds with their mates. Exceptions have been documented, but wolf packs that don't appear to practice monogamy tend to do poorly in the wild.

>>63202

> Oh, and I suppose I should ask about support for trans although that's quite the stretch, especially when you're trying to branch off from sissy shit.

> branch off from sissy shit

There's no branching off involved here - Project "Wolfgirl" isn't based on sissy shit in any meaningful sense.

> support … trans … sissy shit

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> quite the stretch

At first, this was "I probably can't do that" because I want one set of files to work for both sexes with slightly different details. If you're not clearly male or female, the trance tricks needed for that probably won't be reliable. I was a reluctant about leaving anyone out but I couldn't see a way to make it work and I decided it wasn't worth the effort and risk because they're a tiny minority of a minority.

After those bastards torched /hypno/ with spam, my views have evolved - the only support they'll get is a warning in the "liner notes" that using the program will either give them "head full of fuck" syndrome, cure their dysphoria, both, or cause unknown and unpredictable effects. Use by dysphoric transfaggots will be explicitly contraindicated on grounds of having a fundamental element of self-identity at odds with Nature. I don't regret leaving them out anymore - their general attitude of entitlement is enraging and torching our board like that is inexcusable.

Homosexuality may be reproductively useless, but it's not the same level of active denial of your own body as Nature made it as nearly all transfaggotry. There's a possible "because we have the technology" transhumanist motivation that wouldn't have the same problems and would be acceptable in the project's philosophy, but I suspect that motivation is vanishingly rare among actual transfaggots. And reproductive uselessness isn't that bad - in most wolf packs only one pair breeds successfully.

The small minority of actual humiliation fetishist sissies could probably use the program without serious harm, but I have no idea what effects bringing out "Wolfgirl" would have on a humiliation fetishist.

>>63215

> is mewing included?

What's that?

> very good calves and a sense of balance

That's the purpose of the "heels lifted" stance.

> it did make my heels very inflexible. It took me months to get to standing flat-footed

That's why "Wolfgirl" hosts will want to move in that stance but tend to stand flat-footed - I don't want to cause "high heel disease" as a side-effect. You'll also enjoy stretching and that should get you the "strong calves" benefit without the "inflexible heels" risk. I'll make sure to specifically include calf/heel stretches, too.

These questions have been helpful, helping to highlight boundaries of the program's scope in this post. Thanks. Take your time if you need it to think of more questions just as I needed some time to think about these answers.

>>63218

> What happened?

B4mb1 5133p tries to turn people into zombie bimbos - and it seems to work on some people - and we don't know how to predict who. We don't know how many ended up too busy sucking cock to post. We only know about the ones that fought it.

>>63230

>I can spin that as something we learned in ancient times from wolves, which mostly form "'til death do us part" bonds with their mates.

Good. Poly relationships don't work well in society or for people in general as it will always result in jealousy. I've seen some of the messes where it ends in disaster, even just on their partner asking for it - and yet they'll still wonder how it went wrong.

>There's no branching off involved here - Project "Wolfgirl" isn't based on sissy shit in any meaningful sense.

I phrased that poorly. You mentioned before this is a "branch" off the beaten path for people to go down instead of sissy shit. That's what I meant.

>What's that?

I'm surprised you don't know that one considering it's one of the most prevalent self-improvement movements/practice. Essentially it is when you correct your tongue/mouth posture to where the tongue is covering the entire roof of the mouth, including the back. This helps jawlines look better and possibly even hollow cheeks if you do it correctly, most notably in younger people due to them still growing. There's also cases where it helped people out of their braces and make way for wisdom teeth instead of having to remove them. It can also help your overall body posture for reasons I'm not aware of. I would highly recommend that you check out Orthotropics because this would be one of the best self-improvement things to implement. While there might not be tons of evidence as to its full benefits (changes in lighting for comparison pics), it's still the correct way. You're above all not supposed to be a mouthbreather.

>These questions have been helpful, helping to highlight boundaries of the program's scope in this post. Thanks. Take your time if you need it to think of more questions just as I needed some time to think about these answers.

Just throwing out here what I can think of so as to improve this project to its limits, even if it's stuff you would normally never consider.

>B4mb1 5133p tries to turn people into zombie bimbos - and it seems to work on some people - and we don't know how to predict who. We don't know how many ended up too busy sucking cock to post. We only know about the ones that fought it.

This isn't really relevant, just a musing of mine, but don't intelligent people tend to be the most susceptible to hypnosis? Kinda makes you wonder just how much potential was caught - and destroyed through surrendering to that addiction they fell into. How unfortunate.

>>63231

> yet they'll still wonder how it went wrong

This kind of reality-denial stupidity is something I'm hoping the "mental fitness" parts of the program can fix. I've got a few leads, but that rabbit hole is deep and I'm still digging.

> You mentioned before this is a "branch" off the beaten path for people to go down instead of sissy shit.

That was in >>63131 in another thread. I was talking about another anon's efforts to produce "straight alpha" hypnosis files. As far as Project "Wolfgirl" is concerned, transfaggot sissies are so far beneath contempt that comparisons aren't being considered.

> correct your tongue/mouth posture to where the tongue is covering the entire roof of the mouth, including the back.

I'll need to be careful with this one. Applying frequent pressure could also risk pushing teeth out of alignment, but that description suggests some promise as a tongue exercise and jaw stretch. Enjoying chewing your food is already planned and may be a safer option for similar results, not to mention amusing if a "Wolfgirl" host actually enjoys a tough steak - dinner and useful jaw exercise all together!

> highly recommend that you check out Orthotropics

I'll look into it.

> You're above all not supposed to be a mouthbreather.

I agree, but I'm slightly skeptical of these particular means.

> improve this project to its limits, even if it's stuff you would normally never consider

That's one of the reasons I'm here on /hypno/ before all of the goals are even set.

> even if it's stuff you would normally never consider

Especially this. What better way to see my blind spots than to let other anons point them out?

> don't intelligent people tend to be the most susceptible to hypnosis?

It's more complicated than that. Below a certain level of intelligence, hypnosis is not possible, but it seems to be more of a threshold than a sliding scale. I'm not sure - this is part of the ongoing technique research - but I suspect that a poorly described "strength of sense of self" is likely a significant factor. I'll have to be careful to ensure that "Wolfgirl" doesn't run up against that and the goal of providing listeners with a companion probably helps, particularly when compared to "takeover" shit like the B4mb1 B1mb0 Atrocity.

I also suspect that the motivation for trying the BaBibA is significant, too - someone who wants to be a zombie bimbo isn't really being "sucked in" while someone who just listened out of curiosity is far more likely to resist the wider-reaching effects.

Project "Wolfgirl" is planned to have a "bail-out point" for listeners who were "just curious" and start to freak out when they realize that it's actually working.

> wonder just how much potential was caught - and destroyed

Despite the concerns expressed on /hypno/ when it was released, I suspect very little - and they were already on a path to destruction anyway. If you're worried about destroyed potential, help the anon in >>63041 on his quest to turn back the "sissy-curious" before they get far enough that becoming a zombie bimbo sounds like a good idea to them.

But still ask questions here!

>>63237

> Can we get some ETAs on the milestones / how its coming along?

> ETAs

I don't know. I thought I had a planned schedule, but then I found more research rabbit holes and the planned schedule's a pile of ashes right now.

> how its coming along?

Research, research, research. After some discussion in another thread, I'm looking into synthesizing background sound effects and possibly some background music that may or may not consist of voices saying to relax and enjoy the session.

> I think most of us would love to help out in order to make it come along quicker.

I can't put as much time into this project as I'd really like, so I'm not sure "quicker" is possible, but I've got some ways you can help make it better.

Finding useful sources is helpful - less searching and more reading is a more efficient use of my time, so this might actually make it quicker too.

Another anon mentioned some motivational infographics in >>61682 and I've seen a few of those here and there, but I'd like a complete set if anyone can find them all. Fitness advice in general is a mess with lots of garbage, but I'd like to think that a series "by an anon for anons" is probably more trustworthy than most and a good start if nothing else.

>>62051 is still accurate - please help dig for mental fitness information that isn't "self-esteem" bullshit.

I'm also looking for any leads on improving willpower - that's important to the project.

Simply asking questions about the project here has helped - Project "Wolfgirl" has grown considerably from these discussions, even a little in just these past few days.

>>63242

>As far as Project "Wolfgirl" is concerned, transfaggot sissies are so far beneath contempt that comparisons aren't being considered.

I didn't mean to imply a comparison, but alright.

>I agree, but I'm slightly skeptical of these particular means.

It's definitely a good concept, it's just that there tends to be misinformation.

>Despite the concerns expressed on /hypno/ when it was released, I suspect very little - and they were already on a path to destruction anyway.

They were once very much like us, even if we think of them as very much below us now. Curiosity killed the cat. I hope that's the case, though it's disappointing regardless of who they were and what they were like.

I've been struggling to find new questions honestly, but here's a small question:

>While she'll take every scrap of femininity a male host has for herself

What qualifies as feminine here exactly?

>>63244 (checked)

> I didn't mean to imply a comparison

That was a poor choice of words, but I still haven't found a better way to express that I'm not considering sissies at all. I prefer to be optimistic instead of worrying about where people might be on the infamous porn slope.

> They were once very much like us, even if we think of them as very much below us now.

Be careful about drawing broad associations like that - something must be different. We've all had the opportunity to listen to the BaBibA. I never bothered and examined the transcripts instead. I probably have more conscious knowledge of that atrocity than most of the people who used it. You used it a few times, but "walked away" after that. There's something about us different from the people who get sucked in like >>62769 and others who have it far worse.

> Curiosity killed the cat.

…but at least it didn't die ignorant.

But I digress - it takes a lot more than simple curiosity and some hypnosis files to go down that road.

> I hope that's the case, though it's disappointing regardless of who they were and what they were like.

Zombie b1mb0s are never good, but we still don't know why some people get sucked in and others just lose interest. I've seen one report from a guy who used the BaBibA to entertain himself on a business trip daily for about a week or so, even bought some panties, then dropped it cold turkey, threw the panties in the trash, and went home.

>>63306

> >While she'll take every scrap of femininity a male host has for herself

> What qualifies as feminine here exactly?

I'm not sure yet. I think it's more behaviors than anything physical.

I was planning to make it whatever a male host considers "feminine" since that effect is a means to an end - "Wolfgirl" hosts should be happy in their bodies and should enjoy expressing their sex's gender - so "Wolfgirl" shares and nurtures a female host's femininity just as she nurtures a male host's masculinity and takes his femininity for herself.

Humans have much greater sexual dimorphism than wolves but are surprisingly adaptable - a trait "Wolfgirl" is always thankful for in her host - so all "Wolfgirl" hosts of both sexes are driven to improve their bodies and develop strength, endurance, and so on as far as they individually can. The idea that anyone can be a "useless pretty thing" is absolutely infuriating to "Wolfgirl" and thus to her host.

I wonder if that should extend to objects as well? A general principle of function over form? But forms showing rigid order are rare in Nature… even river stones are rarely symmetrical… how to balance this?

But straight lines, right angles, and symmetry are also characteristic of objects produced using our technology, which is itself an extended phenotype and thus under Nature's umbrella…

I think I've just opened a new philosophical branch in the project. Thanks for lighting the way.

>>63316

Yeah, I kinda have to agree here. We're probably going too deep into rabbit holes that aren't very relevant to the project being effective and working correctly. And keep in mind, any releases that are made don't have to be the final product. You can always update these files at will, add on more, etc. I myself also have the double-edged sword of perfectionism. There comes a time when you have to realize that you have to start actually moving forward instead of spending ages doing research on anything and everything related to the topic at hand.

>>63316

> I think you're going to deep into the rabbit holes.

While your concern is legitimate, I'm more worried about half-assing this and giving people "head full of fuck" syndrome. In my personal ethics, taking a long time does no active harm but rushing and screwing up does hurt people. Maybe you just have more risk tolerance than I do.

> now philisophing over what femininity is

It's most likely to simply be whatever the listener considers "feminine" to be - that effect is a means to an end, not a goal itself.

> I started working on this project idea aswell now.

Great! They'll have different names in the end, so having more than one "Wolfgirl" project out there isn't a problem. The more the merrier.

> I've transcribed all sessions and was able to seperate the main and side voices.

Just the original ten or all the sets? Could you put the transcripts in a 7z and post it on anonfiles for us all to see?

> Mozillas AI powered TTS engine

Uh… that's not a TTS engine you've got from Mozilla… I'll look into it more - it could save me a lot of work building similar tools to aid research, but it's not a TTS at all. That audio sample you've got is test input data, not results from running that system.

>>63318

> We're probably going too deep into rabbit holes that aren't very relevant to the project being effective and working correctly.

I disagree here - I can juggle multiple threads - indeed I must juggle multiple threads of research to keep the project interesting - and these discussions of goals here are a way of keeping the ultimate objective in mind while I dig into audio synthesis, voice processing, and script writing.

> You can always update these files at will, add on more, etc.

Yes, but I can't withdraw a bad release - caution is warranted here. I don't need every release to be "knock it out of the park" but I can't have a "hit yourself in the head with the bat instead of hitting the ball" release.

> you have to start actually moving forward

I'm moving forward already. I'm writing the notes - already in the few hundred K range - that I'll be referring to while writing the scripts.

>>63316

>I also started reverse engineering the B4mb1 files to see what makes them work so well. I've transcribed all sessions and was able to seperate the main and side voices.

Would it be possible to look at your transcription? Is it different from https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-(((B4mb1)))-Sleep-stuff?pid=30395#pid30395 ?

>>63332

Ah… obfuscator… https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2333&pid=30395#pid30395

>>63350

>Do I need to sign up in order to download the attachments? Because without login it says the files are deleted.

Yes, you meed to login.

>>63350

>Heres a sample, Episode 1 (Bubble Induction)

"Bamboo doll" :D

>>63355

Oh I see, so could you please compare the "Bamboo Pole" files? :P

Btw I'm now namefagging as TRAnon.

>>63357

>could you please compare the "Bamboo Pole" files? :P

Errrmmmm Not sure I understand, what you mean..

>>63358

Compare the files found on likera to the one I sent. Check if there are any big discrepancies.

Useful tool: https://www.diffchecker.com/

>>63364

Too many differences beginning with spelling and formatting. You can check it by yourself.

>>63368

1. I'm not signing up there just for the files

2. So no ACTUAL differences? Formatting doesnt count and spelling mistakes dont matter either. Relevant things would be missing sentences.

Wolfgirl anon, what about getting a real voice actress to do the voice? This would make it sound really good and would greatly increase setup speed. (Production speed and cost would increase, but there would be no need to setup and finetune TTS Software.)

Advantages:

-Sounds really good

-No time wasted on correcting the TTS with tones, pronounciation, timing

-Wolfgirl can have any name, not limited by what TTS can pronounce

Disadvantages:

-Cost, unless we find someone willing to pull a Janny.

-VA might quit and then the voice will be different

-Someone needs to tell VA what to do, and I'm sure Wolfanons means of communication would be too autistic for her, a middleman would be needed.

>>63373

> Relevant things would be missing sentences.

I haven't gone so far. That's too much work.

>>63325

> releasing the scripts so we can help improve

I might be able to post some fragments or early drafts, but I've accepted that the final scripts are likely to be near-unreadable with the control markup.

> at least this could be reversed somehow

Ah… the same sweet naivete I once had. Modern "AI" doesn't work like that at all.

> FUN FACT: The STT reads "B4mb1 Sl33p" as "Bruce Lee"

Well then, I'll keep looking. Glad you said that before I put too much work into it or bothered with that CD-sized model file it needs.

>>63332 and >>63333 (checked!)

I think Like Ra got those transcripts from a thread here. It's been mentioned that he lurks.

And sometimes the ads on his site are hilarious, but they're usually just ads.

>>63355 (checked)

> "Bamboo doll" :D

Well I'll cross that off my list, then. "AI" usually means "disappointing" and this continues the pattern.

I haven't had time to do a full comparison yet, but getting vowels wrong is a really bad sign for speech-to-text. They seem to be the easiest to analyze from my research so far.

>>63373

> Formatting doesnt count and spelling mistakes dont matter either.

Speech-to-text doesn't make spelling mistakes - it gets entire words radically wrong.

>>63374

> Wolfgirl anon, what about getting a real voice actress to do the voice?

No and I'll explain a bit.

> -Sounds really good

But I want the strict rhythmic timing a TTS can produce. I think I can combine it with some binaural effects.

> -No time wasted on correcting the TTS with tones, pronounciation, timing

With the designs I'm looking at, those are either explicitly given or trivially fixed. I'm not using a commercial TTS.

These aren't problems - and I'm planning to split voice layers in part by tone and timing, so I'll need to control those explicitly anyway.

> -Wolfgirl can have any name, not limited by what TTS can pronounce

The TTS I'm planning should be able to produce any sound physically possible from the human vocal tract. There's no limitation on what it can pronounce - I can even feed the model low-level control signals if I want something literally unwritable even in IPA. The choice of "Wolfgirl"'s name will be based on what sounds best, not TTS limitations.

And because it's a physical model, I might be able to give "Wolfgirl" a "wolf's voice" - it's just a matter of setting the model parameters and checking that the result is still intelligible. And using the same synthesizer to generate background wolf howls is kinda cool.

> -Cost, unless we find someone willing to pull a Janny.

Yeah, and my production budget is about zero. I can use what I have, but I can't really afford to spend any money on this.

> -VA might quit and then the voice will be different

Or the VA goes rogue and sissy files start popping up in "Wolfgirl"'s voice.

> -Someone needs to tell VA what to do, and I'm sure Wolfanons means of communication would be too autistic for her, a middleman would be needed.

Or the middleman goes rogue and sissy files start popping up in "Wolfgirl"'s voice.

There are reasons I have no plans to release the Project "Wolfgirl" TTS. That's one of them.

>>63350

why have the name be something like "simba" instead? you could call it simba slave doll or something like how (((B4mb1))) is called (((B4mb1))) bimbo doll. just an idea.

>>63390

I see your point, but do you really wanna have ONE person control the entire operation? What if he gets hit by a car?

Anon, at least please rig your files to a deadmansswitch.

Also while doing my own research, I discovered the topic of Tulpas.

What are your thoughts on tulpas?

>>63387

> Interesting, I see your point.

Thank you. It might be possible to get similar results starting from a voice recording, but that's an analysis/resynthesis chain that's probably even harder to set up than just getting it from a TTS in the first place.

> I wont send crypto to a random adress.

Yeah, I won't be handling money for this project. Anyone who goes moneybegging isn't me.

> What if the AI goes rogue and hides sissy content in the voice?

There won't be an AI to go rogue. The TTS will be an algorithmic system. This type of synthesis is well-understood, even if it was a commercial flop because it was developed before hardware powerful enough to do it in real-time was available.

> Also what if the middleman is a sissy?

That's the "middleman goes rogue" scenario.

> keeping WolfVoice closedsource is kinda gay, as it really limits the community content.

It's not closed source - that would imply I hand out binaries. It's "not distributed" - for several reasons, ranging from abuse potential - if it works as well as I hope it will - to impracticality - it's looking likely to be a big wad of bailing wire and duct tape that'll be a massive pain in the ass to compile and run anywhere else. In the worst case, depending on what pieces get thrown together, it might actually depend on a LAN between otherwise-mutually-incompatible systems. I think I can build it, but I don't think I can make it easy to use or install.

> You should share it with a few people also working on her.

I didn't say I wouldn't possibly process community-origin scripts through the TTS if they meet my ethical standards. And if an idea's really good, I might pitch in the editing work to make it great.

>>63390

> open source would be great in an ideal world, we're not in that world

Open source is good if you can keep the cancer out of the community. But we're next door to the Great Cancer House of Sissydom and only avoid being overrun because we have a good BO that keeps them banned.

> What if they decided to sell the TTS? What if they create unwanted files in her voice?

Those are good "going rogue" examples.

> What if one of them leaks the source?

Or gets hacked and the source leaks…

>>63391

> name be something like "simba" instead?

That's out because pronouncing it requires closing the lips.

> you could call it simba slave doll or something like how (((B4mb1))) is called (((B4mb1))) bimbo doll

Read the thread. You've completely missed the point.

>>63392

> do you really wanna have ONE person control the entire operation?

Consider the alternative - I said absolutely nothing and worked on this in total solitude until the final release is ready. Is there any real difference between that and now, other than you knowing the project exists?

> What if he gets hit by a car?

I'll take appropriate precautions.

> at least please rig your files to a deadmansswitch

I'll look into it.

>>63393

> What are your thoughts on tulpas?

Read the thread. I haven't found a consistent definition for the word.

>>63397

The larp filters are s1ssyhypn0 and hypn0sis by the way, in that order.

>>63396

>AI goes rogue / sissy middleman

That was a joke lmao

>closedsource

Yeah my bad, I know what you mean, "Private" would've been the better word.

Also regarding the duct tape, the word you're looking for is "niggerrigging" or "pajeet code".

(I've realized you dont pick up on my jokes, so thats a joke FYI. I know its hard to programm something complex, and then getting it to work on all machines is even harder)

>keeping the cancer out

Spoiler alert: Impossible, its called the "degradation of a fanbase"; and its a sad process.

>difference between known and unknown

Yes, the big difference is that I'm eager for the release, I got interested in hypno and am also Working on education mxself now.

>hitting a car

Please tell me about your precautions to not get hit by a car, i'm VERY interested.

>deadmansswitch

Please do that, its easier than dodging the car.

>tulpa

So basically you talk to a "person" you came up with all the time, until he/she replies to you in your head. Apparently it really works. So like you create a second "person" in your head, perhaps like wolfgirl?

>>63397

> it's still just part of the hypno genre

It's properly a sub-category by logical semantics.

> it has clearly developed into something much bigger and separate

It's a sub-category that's grown large enough to bud off into a separate community with a signpost pointing to it. But they weren't happy with that and resorted to spamming. So they're banned now. Good riddance.

> 3x bigger if you take leddit stats seriously and take it as a representation

How many of those "3x" subscribers are "replacement" accounts because the bimbosissies can't remember their passwords?

> Assassination of the creator was requested immediately, of course.

First they'll need to get past the 000000 screen. I'm not worried.

And I don't think any "sissy overlords" exist. The entire horde of cancer is explainable from simple economics and market participants with limited information and poor ethics.

>>63402

> "pajeet code"

No, pajeet code usually doesn't work at all. Pajeet needs to learn to poo in the loo, not the IDE.

> Impossible, its called the "degradation of a fanbase"

There are some wars on. I'll leave it at that.

> I got interested in hypno and am also Working on education mxself now

Very good. May you find a project as interesting and wide-ranging as I have.

> Please tell me about your precautions to not get hit by a car, i'm VERY interested.

They are appropriate. I don't jaywalk in traffic.

> Please do that, its easier than dodging the car.

That depends on how badly the car wants to hit me, now doesn't it?

> So like you create a second "person" in your head, perhaps like wolfgirl?

Sort of. "Wolfgirl" is much more intimate with her host than most supposed tulpas seem to be. >>63194 and >>63200 are the best I have on this right now.

>>63404

"Wolfgirl" is several of those and the asymmetric ones can flip as circumstances demand.

https://discord.gg/aG8Xmf

TRAnon here.

I really want to contribute, so I've started working on my own files (as stated previously).

However it isn't as easy as it seems, could you share some insight into how you create your scripts? Is there any literature that helped you?

On an unrelated note: I found the B4mb1 TTS voice and was considering creating some sort of "b4mb1 cure" - but that would require a great script, and lots of my time. I'd rather work on wolfgirl

>>63407

Nice spam, spammerfaggot.

>>63440

> However it isn't as easy as it seems, could you share some insight into how you create your scripts?

I don't have scripts yet. I'm still working on the goals - what I want to do - before I worry too much about exactly how to do it.

> Is there any literature that helped you?

I haven't read enough on this yet to say. Research is ongoing and the details of hypnosis are closer to the end of the reading list.

> I found the B4mb1 TTS voice

That would be "Ivona Sally" and the $B voice is "Neospeech Julie" if >>61301 is correct about those.

I've got a working hypothesis that may make "unlayering" and transcribing TTS files easier. Most commercial TTS systems are formant-based, and will probably use the exact same formants every time the same vowel is produced. This should allow dramatic improvement in accuracy over DeepSpeech and similar word-based systems that depend on forcing the input to match a fixed vocabulary. Research is ongoing.

There's not really any way to abuse the analysis pipeline, but I have a bad feeling that making it work on another system is likely to require the same skills as writing it. But that won't stop me from describing how it works in the hopes that other anons can build similar tools that they will be able to fully understand and use.

> I'd rather work on wolfgirl

If you're really intent on helping the project, the best things you can do right now are to help with research. I know it's not as much fun as writing files, but you've found the same problem I did.

Physical Fitness

I'm leaning towards a basic bodyweight exercise and stretching program in the main series, which should be able to meet all four goals of flexibility, strength, balance, and endurance. I still need ideas for what exercises should be included in this, and I'd like to try to have a minimal set that works the whole body. Exercises that work large groups of muscles are preferred over "targeting" specific individual muscles - there'll be plenty of time for that in add-on "gym" sessions - but improving all ranges of motion is also important.

Any solid systems for analyzing and constructing exercises would also be helpful - I don't think you can get much better than giving the listener the tools to invent their own workout perfectly customized to their body's current needs - if they're simple enough to describe.

A simple and quick help would be to find all of the "Do it for Emi" pictures that >>61682 mentioned.

Mental Fitness

As I mentioned in >>62051 mental fitness is something modern society almost completely neglects and I've had some difficulty finding anything at all with credibility on the topic, but "self-esteem" bullshit is plentiful. Any hints, tips, crazy ideas you've seen on the Internet somewhere - with source and/or archive - whatever Anonymous can find would be helpful here.

And I'm still looking for any means of training and strengthening willpower. This is important because the barriers between "Wolfgirl" and her host are thin and permeable, so the host needs a strong sense of "self" to avoid dissolving into "Wolfgirl"'s personality - a fate "Wolfgirl" certainly doesn't want because then she wouldn't have her host around to cuddle anymore!

I wonder if that's actually something I could simply give to "Wolfgirl" and have it "rub off" onto her host, but I'd prefer explicit reinforcement over relying on "rubbing off" for something this important.

Simple Hypnosis Tricks

I'll always be interested in more "little tricks" that can be done with hypnosis, both as concepts for TTS tests and as convincers that the files really do work before starting the main series. It's possible that I may end up with a recommended "pre-series" to be used to train trance before using the main series.

>>63443

also to add what I said in >>63445

Imho you're overthinking it, I recommend you make a barebone structure of what you want to do. Then you look at how to do that. As you do that you will get more ideas on what to do.

Start with something simple and flesh it out.

I'm going to start by just creating the induction / exit things. I will use the bamboo files and online scripts as guideance to get a rough idea of the script. (No TTS and actual production yet, just the outline)

Then I will consider what I want my files to do and refit the start / end files.

I don't know how time you can allocate to this but unless its like 10 minutes a day it seems you got stuck in the rabbit holes.

>>63445

> I don't know what $B is.

54m4nth4 B4nd13r is another hypnotist infamous for making deceptive sissy findom files who may or may not also be brainwashing the "merchandise" for an "escort" service. Some of his videos are … strange to say the least. He could just be selling that fantasy to his viewers, but he's demonstrated a severe lack of ethics in other ways before.

> post where he gave a look behind the scenes

Is an archive available?

> he describes his workflow

From that picture, it looks much more complicated than it needs to be, but that picture is probably also meant to impress more than inform. The picture also suggests that some of the lower layers may be most easily recovered with autocorrelation.

But that's a very complex mix being fed into an MP3 encoder. I don't know how much of that surV1v3s the MPEG encoding process. The main voice and the dominant side voices certainly do, but I'm not sure how many of the deeper layers are actually in the published files.

> I was also thinking about that and looking how its done with bamboo.

Copying that technique is a bad idea. The barriers between "Wolfgirl" and her host are thin and permeable, but they are there. They're necessary to give "Wolfgirl" an independent train of thought and make her a better companion, but they're deliberately minimal to give "Wolfgirl" deep intimacy with her host.

The BaBibA plays very fast and very loose with this - and that's part of the reason people have had huge problems with it. I don't know if it's a product of ignorance or intent, but the BaBibA does a very bad job of actually separating the b1mb0 and host personalities.

> However, bamboo completely locks away the old personality - should this be done for the duration of the hypno?

You can try that for your version, but I'm planning to introduce "Wolfgirl" by describing her to her host. The host remains "front and center" at all times because "Wolfgirl" is a companion, not a replacement.

> I'm not sure about actual fitness exercises during hypno. Actually working out will completely snap you out of trance.

It's more complicated than that and it's linked to her gym. The exercises will be introduced in a trance dream and triggers set for a very pleasant but light trance while actually working out some time after the hypnosis session. I've thought this through - actually moving about during the session would probably knock your headphones off, and deeper trances - better for conditioning - can make actual movement very difficult if not completely impossible.

> After I listened to bamboo I got disgusted and thought alright, fuck bamboo I'll get jacked instead so every day I did some workout.

Was this newfound motivation actually "you" or just a reaction to the BaBibA?

> The bamboo files are very insightful with their tricks.

I was unclear. I meant tricks like "the next glass of plain water you drink tastes like lemonade" or "your keys are invisible for the next ten minutes" and other silly tricks like that.

> when it goes off, so do the side voices

…implying that the side voices that are probably telling you to be a mindless bimbo are your brain. I'm not sure if that's a stroke of genius or stupidity.

> I assume you know how those work

Of course I know how to use PGP but I won't be posting PGP messages on the board. It's not like its some kind of "secret knowledge" or bullshit like that, but there's a few big things the BaBibA misses and a lot of little things you'll also learn along the way. I'm not being obtuse - the journey really is important.

>>63446

> make a barebone structure of what you want to do

I did that many months ago. I've been revising and extending it ever since. I'm up to about 20 files planned for the main sequence with a modular induction/deepener/body/awakener structure and about another 20 or so planned TTS and script testing files for some of the effects.

> start by just creating the induction / exit things

That's a part where I have very little at the moment. Any scripts you can help with would be appreciated. I'm really looking for a variety of inductions because those tend to be the worst about only working for some people.

I'm also working to analyze the bubble induction to possibly adapt it but it was written for a specific purpose - making subs act like obedient puppets - and pushes that very hard. The BaBibA uses this and it fits well in that program, but I'll have to extensively adapt it because I don't want "Wolfgirl" hosts to have an externally-usable "obedient mindless puppet" trigger.

> it seems you got stuck in the rabbit holes

To me it seems that you're tripping over them in a mad dash towards a goal that you don't fully understand. I'm at least vaguely aware of the furry and MLP hypnosis disasters and I know that there will be some controversy around this project because of those past incidents. I'm working slowly and cautiously because I don't want to cause a new disaster.

Quick question, probably a lot of people want to know. When is this hypnofile going to be released? Let's beta test it! It doesn't have to be perfect!

>>63450

> afaik you don't need all these fancy soundeffects and fx for the trance to work

For trance? No. For getting jaded listeners to stay with the files a bit longer for the triggers to sink in? It probably helps, and some of them could also act as triggers in their own right.

> I think thats the "tulpa approach" if I were to name it.

It's similar, but my understanding of Internet tulpamancy is that the process I'm planning is "completely wrong" according to them. That's why I don't know if "Wolfgirl" is a tulpa at all.

> I'm just really motivated at the moment (which will fade and im afraid i might even loose interest)

I'm already past that initial motivation and still working on the project, however slowly. I had an initial burst but slowed down when I found how much I didn't know. I've been studying ever since.

> you already know that

Yes.

> I just wanted to write down my thoughts and findings to discuss.

This is still helpful. Please continue.

> I am rushing

With this type of hypnosis, at best, that's a recipe for "head full of fuck" syndrome, if you're lucky.

> I need to do that otherwise I'll loose interest if I don't see any noticeable progress. I know its not perfect, but it do be like that sometime.

This kind of rushing caused most furry communities to ban hypnosis. They were early adopters hoping to make their fursonas "real" - if only to themselves - and they eagerly dived in but a variety of rushed poorly-planned hypnosis efforts and the predictable disasters burned them badly. Furries seem to be almost afraid of hypnosis now.

> do you have an entire overview?

Yes, but it's not finished yet and it's already far too large to post here.

> I don't know if its worth the time to develop your own tts engine.

It's worth it. I have some ideas for binaural effects that'll work best if the TTS generates them and I don't have the patience for the "edit, edit, edit, and see if anything sounds good" method B4mb1 Pr1m3 uses.

> AI can already "copy" voices, so the sissies might be able to replicate the custom wolfgirl voice anyways.

"AI" can copy what "AI" expects. I expect that "AI" replicas of the custom TTS will be "off" in various amusing ways.

> I'd recommend going with publicly available TTS and perhaps editing the resulting voice, but thats up to you.

I've thought about that, but I predict that would be more work than what I'm doing now. I need a TTS that I can tweak - there's just too much material planned for me to edit TTS output manually.

>>63451

>>63452

>>63453

Thanks for the text dump. That last picture is dead on.

< TTS voices are fickle, and the timing and pronunciation of the spoken output can be changed by garbling the text in certain ways. This means things like misspelling words or running them together, adding hyphens in weird places, and so on.

This right here is why I want a custom TTS - I don't have the patience to deal with that type of crap. I want timing adjusted? I insert a control code in the script for "adjust timing next word" or whatever. The pronunciation is wrong on a word? I fix the TTS dictionary. I want something pronounced specially? I write it in IPA. "Wolfgirl"'s name ends up literally unwritable even in IPA? I wrap the TTS control codes to produce it in a macro.

I don't have the patience for the type of shitware that B4mb1 Pr1m3 uses.

< rely on special tags in the text itself to insert pauses of varying lengths

I'm planning a similar system but I'll be using control codes to insert effects, backing voices, and the rest in the main script instead of assembling the rendered voice and the rest in a DAW. That means that synchronization after an edit takes care of itself.

< Starting with the Mental Makeover session, I render every line of the script out from the TTS engine into a separate audio file.

Coping with shitware… but we know B4mb1 Pr1m3 is ignorant of computer science, just like his b1mb0.

< In extreme cases I’ll resort to chopping up the rendered TTS audio samples and altering the timing of syllables manually.

My point exactly.

< it’s much more hypnotic when everything, up to and including the syllables and emphasis of the main voice, is timed to the beat

This confirms what I suspected - and is another argument for the custom TTS. Why put so much work into warping TTS output to fit the beat when the TTS could set the beat?

>>63456

> When is this hypnofile going to be released?

I don't know. I do know it'll be a lot more than one file.

> Let's beta test it! It doesn't have to be perfect!

I don't have a workable beta yet, but there will be test tracks for beta testing.

>>63472

> Basically dont listen to them.

I figured that out a long time ago.

It seems the people that could give me firm answers to those questions aren't on the Internet. But people keep asking if "Wolfgirl" is a tulpa and I keep having to say that I don't know.

> she seems more "defined" then Tulpas, who seem to have their own free will.

"Wolfgirl" has just as much free will as her host. She really is part of you.

> care to tell me about what can happen?

I've been using that as a catch-all description. It's a reference to an older meme of an Asian man with a very confused and frustrated look on his face and a caption "My head is full of fuck" on the picture.

From my current limited knowledge, the most likely major fuck-up is dissociation - a persistent feeling that you somehow aren't yourself. In more extreme cases, full multiple personality disorder with each "personality" having only fragments of experience and poor or no coordination could be possible. Some BaBibA users have reported similar problems - doubtless the more extreme cases were unable to post reports about their situations.

> Also what happened to the furries? Were there any notable disasters.

I haven't been able to find the details, only that many furry communities now ban hypnosis. It seems to have been swept under the rug.

> I'm not a furry nor do I intend to go on furry forums to find out.

I'm brave enough to visit those haunted woods, but I still prefer to avoid them.

> he's probably just too stupid to use it well

Well, he is turning himself into a zombie bimbo.

> the contextual timing and pronounciation is way better compared to the regular TTS

And that's exactly wrong for hypnosis - strict pacing is an advantage.

> how do you plan on introducing wolfie?

Broadly speaking, introducing "Wolfgirl" spans all 20 or so files in the main set. The "earliest introduction" is the first eight steps in the program currently. When the listener starts on file 9, she has her complete form but still only comes to her host in bed. I'm less sure of the sequence after that right now, but tentatively file 10 will give her the ability to talk to her host during the day. Think of the first half or so where she can only come to her host in bed as a set of "training wheels" for "Wolfgirl" to use.

> create a thin, but very durable layer between the host and wolfgirl - correct?

No - thin and permeable - you'll recognize "Wolfgirl"'s "mental voice" as one of your own. She is deeply intimate with her host.

> I hope you get what I was trying to say

You've got a very vague outline of what I'm actually planning.

She starts as a soft cloud of warm affection that settles in around her host in bed - that's file 1 and you advance when you feel her so strongly that your thoughts melt in her warmth every night as you go to sleep. File 2 teaches you to feel her touch. File 3 teaches you to hear her voice. File 4 enables her to massage you. This is the "bail-out point" if you are getting freaked out that this stuff actually works. File 5 introduces her scent and the first addiction suggestions to make sure you follow through with the program. Files 6, 7, and 8 teach you to see her form and feel and taste her kisses.

Merging "bodies" - her form is insubstantial - is the basis for the "body hug" and "hybrid form" "tricks" she can do.

As far as merging minds goes, "Wolfgirl" has all of your long-term memories and you have all of her long-term memories - you're in the same brain - everything one of you knows, both of you know. Muscle memory is very specifically shared - she can practice an exercise or complex movement in her gym and you'll simply "know" how to do it later. She's just separate enough to have her own "working thoughts" so that you can talk with her in your mind but talking with her feels like talking with your reflection because she's part of you.

>>63445

>Version: BCPG C# v1.6.1.0

BCPG and other Java Bouncycastle keys are insecure change keys anon

>>63491

Is there any other simple alternative? I used iGolders PGP tool.

I created this Key just for 8kun, it doesnt have to be super secure - it should just be reasonably safe and fast to use.

>>63510

>I've just managed to seperate the side voices, the main voice and remove the binaural tones, which will give me great transcriptions.

>I'm also creating an overview of every file containing an ACCURATE description and the triggers used. Bamboo is always adding more stuff than described in the files.

Any chances to have a look at he resulting scripts?

>Muscle memory is very specifically shared - she can practice an exercise or complex movement in her gym and you'll simply "know" how to do it later.

Yeahhh, don't do that. Learning proper form, be it from a professional or at least giving a good go of studying proper from from dudes online on youtube or what have you is important. Having some manifested idea of what a deadlift ought to look like is no substitute for what you should actually be doing with your body and is an injury waiting to happen. Otherwise I'm looking forward to getting off to this sex pistol mate, cheers.

>>63507

> I just got myself Traceworks v5 and Pillowtalk,

Which version of Pillowtalk? I've seen hints that there's more than one out there.

> I'll read them to further educate myself.

Good! Are they small enough to upload here or to put in a 7z on anonfiles? It seems using the post number you reply to as a 7z password works well, even if some anons have to be reminded to read the thread.

Hmmm, I wonder… yup… https://anonfiles.com/r6B5g3W9na/ptacgteharp_7z

I almost replied to the wrong post - the password to the 7z is 63475

> I decided to work on the Bamboo files.

A detailed analysis of those will be interesting if nothing else.

> I will modify them to be non-addictive and try to remove all negative effects from them.

Good luck with that.

>>63511 (checked)

Seconding that request for the transcripts. I'm particularly interested in comparing them to the transcripts that were posted in earlier BaBibA threads.

>>63512

> Learning proper form, be it from a professional or at least giving a good go of studying proper from from dudes online on youtube or what have you is important.

How do you think she gets her idea of proper form? She doesn't just make it up - that would obviously be a bad idea - she gets it from her host studying the topic. All her practice can give you is a head start on repetition even if you weren't entirely paying attention to that video - but she sure was! This applies to more than just exercise but I'm not sure how far I can go with it yet.

This is another reason I'm leaning towards only including bodyweight exercises directly in the program - they're much less dangerous and they're suitable for building the strength you'll need anyway to maintain proper form while lifting later. Or you could use weights that she manifests for you the resistance is actually provided by your own muscles but that only makes proper form more important - if you train to great strength with the "illusion weights" and then try to lift actual weights with poor form, you've merely set yourself up for far worse injury because you'll be lifting much heavier.

> Having some manifested idea of what a deadlift ought to look like is no substitute for what you should actually be doing with your body

I'm pretty sure any exercise descriptions included in the program will be by "feel" instead of by "look" - I think I can do better with "you should feel these muscles tense" than trying to make poses anyway. "Looks" aren't the goal - the goal is building balance, endurance, flexibility, and strength - ideally all at once.

And are you claiming that proper form cannot be learned from a book?

>>63514

>Create my thread as described in >>63510 and I'll upload some of my work.

I tried - it does not work. There is a separate Captcha field for creating new threads, but the Capture is not shown

>>63515

>Capture

Captcha

>>63515

Yes, I was facing the same issue.

WE CANT CREATE NEW THREADS.

>report this post so the admin sees it.

>>63520

…

Every t1me you are dressed up and hear th1s tr1gger, you 1mmed1ateIy pIummet 100 t1mes more compIeteIy and utterIy deep asIeep than you are r1ght now, 100 t1mes more compIeteIy bent 1f1ed than you are r1ght now.

Every t1me you are wear1ng sexy cIothes and hear the words bamboo sIeep, your body coIIapses, your m1nd coIIapses.

A t1daI wave of fem1n1z1ng ReIax at1on washes through your body.

Every muscIe goes I1mp, your ent1re body sIumps and goes I1mp as your m1nd sIumps and goes to sIeep.

Warm g1rI1e, ReIax at1on courses 1nto you from your un1form as you 1nstantIy pIummet every t1me you are g1ven the tr1gger.

bamboo sIeep 1nstantIy, coIIaps1ng 1nto a deep b1mbo.

SIeep 100 t1mes more bIank, obed1ent and g1rIy than you are r1ght now.

You have no way to f1ght 1t.

You cannot res1st th1s tr1gger no Ionger 1n controI of your body just automat1caIIy coIIaps1ng I1ke a bIow up doII shutt1ng off your m1nd, your cotton candy bra1n encased 1n p1nk sudden whenever you're toId to bamboo sIeep that's r1ght.

HeIpIessIy pIung1ng down, ready to obey no matter what you are do1ng dropp1ng everyth1ng and just shutt1ng down whether or not you want to.

Th1s 1s your sIeep command band.

You sIeep and you do not remember what happens next.

You can't consc1ousIy remember what happens after you go to sIeep.

You just come to much Iater when you are awakened w1th a b1g gap 1n your memor1es.

No 1dea what happened or how Iong you were out.

You obey compIeteIy.

But remember noth1ng when you were put to sIeep w1th bamboo sIeep and 1t feeIs so good.

Now, bamboo, you can feeI your m1nd reIax1ng and accept1ng aII of your cond1t1on1ng.

You can feeI the tra1n1ng gett1ng stronger and stronger and go1ng deeper and deeper 1nto your core.

You can feeI the cond1t1on1ng gett1ng stronger and stronger.

Just accept 1t and feeI everyth1ng grow1ng stronger.

FeeI everyth1ng s1nk1ng 1n deeper and deeper, accept1ng that you w1II obey.

bamboo w1II obey everyth1ng that she has been toId.

bamboo w1II keep these thoughts strong and deep 1n her m1nd, accept1ng that she w1II be an obed1ent, good g1rI, accept1ng that she w1II obey aII of her tra1n1ng and aII of her j1ggers.

1t w1II aII stay fresh and strong 1n your m1nd and w1II grow even stronger as you I1sten to th1s sess1on.

And you can aIIow th1s sess1on to strengthen them and refresh them.

Accept aII of your tra1n1ng except what 1t 1s that you are commanded to d'oh except what you must obey and Iet 1t become stronger and stronger.

Good g1rI.

The contents of th1s sess1on becom1ng foggy, the memory's hazy.

You don't need to remember the contents of th1s sess1on.

1n fact, the tra1n1ng w1II be even stronger 1f you just aIIow yourseIf to consc1ousIy forget everyth1ng that happened and you want that to happen.

So just take one Iast bubbIe and Iet aII that you can recaII from th1s sess1on, wh1ch aIready 1sn't much.

Iet 1t aII fIow eas1Iy 1nto the bubbIe.

ReIax and fade away.

Every recoIIect1on of what has happened.

Every command you have accepted everyth1ng that occurred s1nce the very beg1nn1ng of th1s sess1on, when you began reIax1ng to my vo1ce, every I1ttIe deta1I, every thought you had at the t1me, aII sI1pp1ng 1nto the bubbIe, just f1II1ng up that bubbIe so you can forget compIeteIy and awaken 1n a moment.

Dazed and confused, heIpIessIy programmed but not reaIIy sure of the fuII extent of the changes that have been made, You w1II f1nd that you can't recaII what 1 have sa1d.

You won't remember aII the th1ngs that happened wh1Ie you were deepIy under my controI.

Even 1f you have I1stened to th1s sess1on, many t1mes won't even know how Iong you've been under no sense of the passage of t1me.

1t w1II just be compIeteIy gone.

Gone 1nto the bubbIe aII those Iast week, I1ttIe memor1es go1ng 1nto the IeveI as 1 reach out and burst your g1rI.

Good g1rI.

That's r1ght, bamboo.

The cond1t1on1ng 1s absoIute, and the harder you try to remember them or 1mposs1bIe, 1t becomes OnIey, remember1ng start1ng the sess1on, beg1nn1ng to reIax.

And then 1t's just compIeteIy bIank.

And even the next t1me you I1sten to th1s sess1on, f1nd1ng 1t harder and harder to remember anyth1ng the whoIe t1me, even dur1ng the trance.

Harder and harder to be aware of anyth1ng.

bamboo 1s extremeIy suscept1bIe to hypnos1s.

bamboo goes deep 1nto hypnos1s every t1me at the sI1ghtest suggest1on, faII1ng 1nto a deep sIeep a comfortabIe sIumber so eas1Iy and remembers noth1ng.

Your subconsc1ous m1nd 1s compIeteIy programmed.

Now wake up as a b1mbo 1n your own t1me, beg1nn1ng to forget but obey1ng perfectIy wak1ng up as a b1mbo FeeI1ng happy, feeI1ng refreshed, feeI1ng perfect.

The perfect b1mbo.

Good g1rI.

See you next t1me, bamboo.

CHECK 'EM

>>63521

>>63520

The automatic transcription of the side voices did not work, however as I was able to remove the binaural and seperate them transcribing them manually is very easy.

>>63518

>WE CANT CREATE NEW THREADS.

>>report this post so the admin sees it.

Done!

>>63526

>The captcha shows up if you disconnect from the VPN…

I'm not on VPN

>>63514

> Were there already other people reverseengineering Bamboo?

Not really - only the main voice from the original set was ever transcribed and a few trigger lists were made.

> Its a shame sissy shit got banned. Even though I'm not a fan, the additional discussion would surely be beneficial (fuck jannies).

The problem is that the sissies were spamming the board and drowning out other discussions. When told to keep to a containment thread, they trashed the whole board. It's trashing the board that got them banned.

>>63515

> I tried - it does not work. There is a separate Captcha field for creating new threads, but the Capture is not shown

Turn off JavaScript completely and you'll get a link to a CAPTCHA page and two boxes on the board index page. Open the link in a new tab, copy and paste the CAPTCHA ID, and type your answer.

>>62520

> Alright here is some of my work.

I meant pastebin or anonfiles - not pasta'ing it itt!

>>62522 (checked)

Too bad this board is too slow for a combo breaker for teh lulz.

>>63518

>>63524

We also have a meta thread in >>62710 if you'd like to use that to complain about broken CAPTCHAs.

ANYWAY...

Back on topic...

>>63514

> I think it would be smart to let the viewer watch a selected video about the exercises

I'd rather not package video - it's just too big.

> so he knows how they look like

The problem is you don't see yourself exercising when you actually do it - this is why I'm leaning towards describing proper forms by "feel" instead. I'm suspecting that all heavy lifts with actual weights require a spotter - and "Wolfgirl" can't really spot for you because she can't catch the weights.

And I'm still hoping for an answer from >>63512 to my question about learning proper form by reading a book.

>>63534

Not >>63512 but while technically you can learn proper form via book, you're still limited and pose potential risk if you make a mistake in your form because either the book didn't describe it well enough and/or your visualizations are missing part of the proper form

>>63534

>captcha

Thanks, will try that.

>my work

Yeah I pasted anonfiles in there >>63523

>package video

Just link a youtube video.

New to hypno, but this already sounds like a really neat idea. Hope this actually comes to fruition and doesn't die as an idea, this could actually be pretty helpful.

>>63534

I didn't realize you wanted me to respond. You said she gets her notions of good form from studying the topic, which i presume to mean the host studies it whilst sort of being mentally disassociated with it. If you say it'd work then, sure?

>only bodyweight exercises

eh imo that's kind of lame, but sure less injury risk i suppose. there's a notable limit on what one can accomplish with only bodyweight compared to hitting actual weights and it hampers one's rate of progression.

>I can do better with "you should feel these muscles tense" than trying to make poses anyway.

Ehh I mean most people are pretty retarded and have a hard time feeling that and visualizing that, let alone if they even know what the muscles actually are. I'm fine with seeking a balance in one's regime, but my view on said balance is more aggressive with using weights.

>proper form can't be learned from a book

Look man… I've always been of the mindset of why choose, you know. Why wouldn't you read the book, and reference the video, and pick the minds of real people in the gym when it comes to form/diet/whatever. I don't think it's a matter of choosing, but using all good resources.

I'm not an expert in hypno at allllll and I don't understand the capabilities and limitations of it; I'm literally only on this board for this thread. I guess my vague recommendation would be to have wolfgirl push you to study videos and books and articles and all of that shit, and not be afraid to ask the shredded dude at the gym to spot you or what he thinks about your form. If that isn't possible, I'd just add a .txt file to whatever you do produce with a list of videos for form.

>>63534

Also what are your thoughts on 08chan?

Its quite inactive but would be the better site to discuss this.

>>63535

> you're still limited and pose potential risk if you make a mistake in your form because either the book didn't describe it well enough and/or your visualizations are missing part of the proper form

I'll be doing a lot of research to make sure I describe it well enough and I'm not planning to use visualizations for this part - you can't normally see yourself exercising but you can feel your own body.

>>63544 (checked)

> Just link a youtube video.

I'd like to keep the release self-contained, but I suppose that I could include some "starter kits" to set listeners on the right paths with some of their "new" interests.

>>63548

> New to hypno, but this already sounds like a really neat idea. Hope this actually comes to fruition and doesn't die as an idea, this could actually be pretty helpful.

Thanks. I'll do my best to make this happen.

>>63549

> she gets her notions of good form from studying the topic

Close - she gets her notions of good form from her host's knowledge of the topic, and she encourages her host to study the topic to improve that knowledge.

> i presume to mean the host studies it whilst sort of being mentally disassociated with it

You can - she'll be very attentive because it's interesting to her - but it's more that all knowledge is shared between "Wolfgirl" and her host. To some extent, she can "help" you study but it's still better if you study too - and she'll "work" on you to encourage that.

> imo that's kind of lame, but sure less injury risk i suppose

The other big advantage is that bodyweight exercise is free - other options require either buying weights or paying for a gym membership. I suppose you could also improvise with whatever reasonably not-fragile items you have, but proper weights are probably best.

One of my big "caution flags" is any suggestion to spend money - both because it's not something I'd want and because so many hypnosis files are abusive this way. Balancing that aversion with possible honest "investments in self-improvement" is an ongoing effort.

A related advantage is the lack of need for any special equipment and the extremely low bar to entry for bodyweight exercise - most people have probably already done bodyweight routines, which gives the listener's subconscious more to work with for the sessions in "Wolfgirl"'s gym.

> there's a notable limit on what one can accomplish with only bodyweight compared to hitting actual weights

I'm not averse to making extension files with other exercises - sort of a "learn how to do these and then come to trance for extensive practice" which is also pretty close to what "Wolfgirl" can do in her gym.

> it hampers one's rate of progression

How badly and does it still set you up to do better later with actual weights?

> if they even know what the muscles actually are

I think I can teach those details in some of the earlier files. Can you point me to any good references on this?

> I'm fine with seeking a balance in one's regime, but my view on said balance is more aggressive with using weights.

The exact details are ultimately left to "Wolfgirl" and her host to work out - it's not a "cookie cutter" thing.

> I don't think it's a matter of choosing, but using all good resources.

That's good - and I think I've always been planning to encourage that.

> I don't understand the capabilities and limitations of it

One of the limitations is that you can only encode suggestions that can be expressed in words. So anything that can't be reliably taught from a book without pictures is right out - the most I can do is suggest going out and learning for yourself, which I'll do anyway but I'd like to give the clueless listener a "good start" on it.

> I'm literally only on this board for this thread

I'm still glad to have you here - you sound like you can give good advice on at least the outline of - or better yet principles for constructing - a useful and flexible exercise program even if it's not the best possible road to gains in ideal circumstances.

>>63550

> Also what are your thoughts on 08chan?

Unless I badly misunderstand, 08chan runs on ZeroNet and I have very little confidence in that system. And when I last checked, there was also a serious problem that allowed anons to be easily tracked across threads, boards, and possibly even any similar sites.

> better site to discuss this

All I need is for the site to publish messages honestly and 8kun seems to be meeting that without requiring yet another layer of rarely-audited code to access. There are many, many, many eyes on Tor but ZeroNet is pretty obscure.

So, I recently discovered that tulpas are not the only type of headmate. The actual system that encompasses all of the types is called plurality. As an example, one type I found is soulbonding.

"A soulbond is a lot like a tulpa (many people would say they're the same thing) except that they often come from fictional works, and the soulbonders often believe that the soulbond is real in some way, and that they've somehow come in contact with each other, rather than creating the soulbond the way that we create tulpas."

They also just show up one day instead of having a lot of work put into them. Supposedly there's also different properties such as the soulbond taking control over the person's body happening more frequently than tulpas do that. Just some interesting info because I honestly thought there were only tulpas.

>>63557

>Balancing that aversion with possible honest "investments in self-improvement" is an ongoing effort.

I guess I can appreciate that struggle in producing hypno files. Still, I'm of the disposition that you disclose that she'd want you to build a basic af gym or get a membership to a real one, even a bullshit terrible hellhole like Planet Fitness, and then just charge forward with it.

>How badly and does it still set you up to do better later with actual weights?

I'm gonna differ you to http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html, the whole document is gold but namely the exercise portion of it. I don't have actual numbers to feed you, I've read throughout my time browsing fitness shit that it's substantial to some extent presuming you have two dedicated people, one with a gym and one without, but you know how bro science can get with these types of things tbf.

>Can you point me to any good references on this?

See the above document, exercise portion, it lists isolation moves (single muscle movements like bicep curls) and compound moves (multiple muscle movements like squats) and links to resources. For further references, I'd look to legit people on youtube which fitness nuts will debate over. It's been a hot minute since I've consulted these resources, I think Athlean X was good as a starting point? But you can search up the movements and pick a good guide.

>you can give good advice on…

To some capacity. I namely lift things up and put them down, I don't do as much cardio as I ought to, I'm more into bodybuilding than a more generic routine which is what you're describing. If there's a specific question, go ahead and ask away. That guide I linked is the sticky to 4chan.org/fit/ and it's where I found my foundations. I'd recommend that everyone consult it seriously.

I didn't really respond to you asking if caliectasis body weight shit sets you up for lifting later down the road. The short answer is, getting fit will set you up for lifting weights, of course. Still, you'd of made more progress over the same duration if you'd of spent the entire time with weights. The way I see it, if you're going to spend some 30 minutes to an hour working out either way, why not be more effective with your time? Seems a waste not to. Again though, I will acknowledge that my perspective is that of a bodybuilder. Take that bias into consideration as needed.

>>63558

"Plurality" may be a valid hypernym but most forms of it seen on the Internet are also mental illness. "Wolfgirl" is a mental construct as a companion. The idea that she has always been part of her host is a carefully constructed false memory. I'm resorting to that approach based on a "least risk of harm for most benefit" analysis even though I don't like the idea of "faking" the past.

Add in that "changing the past" at least implicitly requires some sort of meta-time concept and I may or may not also be onto something useful.

>>63563

> I guess I can appreciate that struggle in producing hypno files.

Thank you. I'm also looking at "Wolfgirl" pushing her host to cut wasteful expenses, providing a "budget" for self-improvement-related acquisitions. I still think a gym membership would be lower on the list, probably after things that can serve multiple uses like a water backpack that is both useful as a portable water cooler and as a wearable weight when full - water itself is fairly heavy in significant quantities - an entire cubic meter of water weighs about a metric ton.

> she'd want you to build a basic af gym

Arguably, you already have one - your own body and Earth's gravity are all you need for bodyweight exercises. Very basic, yes, but also a better start than continuing to sit on your ass watching TV. Now that I think about it, you might find that your TV is more useful as a weight than as a TV, but that's more a consequence of "Wolfgirl" improving your mental diet and the TV becoming less useful as a TV than an explicit suggestion.

And isometric exercises don't even need gravity - almost all of your muscles work in opposing pairs or can be arranged to work against each other. For two quick examples, press your hands together in front of your chest. Harder. Harder. Relax. Now hook your fingers together in front of your chest, like you're gripping close to the edge of a drawer with your fingertips except that you're gripping the fingertips on your other hand with your thumbs free. While holding that fingers-on-fingers grip, try to pull your hands apart. See how much pressure you can put on your fingertips. Then relax.

> the whole document is gold but namely the exercise portion

Thank you - it looks helpful with numerous links to more to read. I'm still reading, but at least one of those seems to confirm my suspicions that "starting light" is a good idea - I'd expected that most people would benefit from first improving proprioreception and building joint strength. I'm fairly sure that it's possible to build muscle strength faster than tendons and ligaments, with predictable nasty injuries if you lift too heavy too quickly. In severely pathological cases, even bodyweight exercises could cause injury, but those should be very rare and probably need to be in a hospital on a strict diet to treat morbid obesity.

> you know how bro science can get with these types of things

Sadly, I know that all too well - that and the damned spammers pushing steroids.

> I'm more into bodybuilding than a more generic routine which is what you're describing

Honest advice, even with a known and admitted bias, is still helpful. Project "Wolfgirl" probably has slightly different goals - balance, endurance, flexibility, and strength - all of those - without worrying about your appearance. The outside reflects the inside and the true value is in the inside - pushing the outside is useless, only the inside matters and the outside will follow.

You mention bodybuilding. That's explicitly not a goal itself, but there'll be conditioning in the files for listeners of both sexes to accept and enjoy growing muscles whenever that's needed to further the main goals of balance, endurance, flexibility, and strength.

>>63564

> caliectasis

I wasn't able to find any information on this term. Was it a typo?

> getting fit will set you up for lifting weights

Good.

> you'd of made more progress over the same duration if you'd of spent the entire time with weights

I see.

> I will acknowledge that my perspective is that of a bodybuilder

You've probably never been as bad as some of the people that I'm considering likely to be in the audience think fat NEET otaku neckbeard as the predicted worst case for this program. There'll certainly be support for optional weights and encouragement for listeners who already lift to continue lifting but to "mix in" bodyweight routines at other times.

Another issue is that weights occupy the hands, but a variety of "all fours" stances are possible that can also include stretches and some complex compound movements. For example, try holding yourself off the ground balancing on your left toes and your right hand or vice versa. The only weights you can use with that are somehow wearable, either on ankles or wrists or a weight vest - all of which could be useful but none of which are really appropriate for early beginners.

Any luck with further disassembling of Bamboofiles?

>>63643

This isn't really the right thread for that, but TRAnon did ask for a thread earlier in >>63510 so you might get better results if you could make that thread for him and then ask there, since the site seems to be slightly broken again. I think he wants that picture - or the picture from >>63453 - as the OP image, with the subject "Reverse engineering B4mb1" and the text pasta'd from below the "—–" in that post.

>>63643

>>63644 - thanks!

Yeah as stated earlier I was able to completely seperate the voices. Quality is good enough.

I also made some first version of a modified awakener which doesnt mention the addiction trait and stronger links the effects to only the clothes.

I will post some files, but you have to create the thread.

Also Wolfgirlanon made a post on how to fix the captcha, so this might help if you're stuck. I simply cba to deal with that, so if you want me to make an effort (package files, etc) you have to do the thread thing.