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 No.98791>>98794 >>98806 >>98807 >>98813 >>98845 >>99464 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

I can understand there are people who find "enjoyment" out of it, but unfortunately, there seems to be a lot of people in community that make it their whole lifestyle or experience. It makes it difficult to find meaningful interactions with the community when it's at the forefront. And frankly, there's so much more to life.

Do you participate in other aspects of the community? Do think the fandom as a whole is too obsessed with porn or lewd content? Should we try to do anything about it?

Feel free to express your thoughts in general.

 No.98794

>>98791 (OP)

Because I like porn, and there's nothing else of value in this "community" for me to stick around for.


 No.98803>>98804 >>98806 >>98840

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Furry was born out of conventions for animation. Porn wasn't much of a thing until the 90s when fetish communities related to things like BDSM started co-mingling with furry. That and furry started to actively promote itself as an inclusive space for homosexuality which already has an enormous porn focus. Porn would bring a ton of traffic to fansites so it was a win/win. Something to be aware of is that furry artists overwhelmingly make fuck all in terms of money by drawing exclusively sfw art. They must make nsfw art to make ends meet if they want to make a living off of it. If you ask any notable furry artist they will tell you that sfw art is less than 10% of what they end up being asked to draw. This is why the overwhelming majority of art is nsfw. This also makes sense from a logistics point of view since you're a lot less likely to ask someone to draw something for you if it's sfw. You're probably only willing to shell out close to 100$ if it's porn that's specifically tailored for you.

>Should we try to do anything about it?

There is nothing that can be done about it. There have been attempts to make strictly sfw furry websites in the past. All of them fail within a year to two years since the traffic/advertising will never break even with server costs for an image hosting website. (which are always extremely high). This is also why competitors to Youtube always tend to fail despite pornography video hosting websites chugging along just fine. The only way to avoid nsfw content is to use something like FurAffinity's filter for sfw or on this board hide threads you're not interested in.

This is also why furry has persisted despite many, many other similar online communities from the 90s completely vanishing. Because it appeals to some vice/physical need. Had furry stayed in animation conventions it would've died off and been replaced by something else that did appeal to nsfw. I predict this will also happen to My Little Pony once the show inevitably ends due to interest primarily being centered on a children's show and the nsfw presence, while there is largely an extension of furry and most people who are interested in MLP will just end up being a furry subset. Like "my fursona is a pony" type stuff.


 No.98804>>98809

>>98803

I forgot to add this is also why furry has sprung up in Japan with Kemono artists. Over there it's a spinoff of hentai art just with anthropomorphic characters. Hentai art is massive in Japan and it has it's own bizarre subcultures.


 No.98805

furry was born out of cartoons of disney and stuff, so there was porn of it, it was born out of gay culture and fetishises as in the early 80s and 90s when the internet was new, its always been a niche extreme thing, watch the early con videos its like an 90s cocaine binge.


 No.98806

>>98803

>>98791 (OP)

The thing about porn is that porn is profitable. That's the reason it's the most powerful force on the internet. People open their wallets for their dicks in a way that they wouldn't for their souls.

The problem with trying to make a SFW furry site at this stage is that people in the current furry community will get involved. Then even if strictly the rules are SFW, the people themselves who get involved will be furries due to the cross-over in subject matter, and then your officially SFW forum will start talking about cute butts :3 OwO in a way that is technically within the rules but signals to everyone that you're all perverts, because nobody in this fandom can control themselves. There's no plausible deniability where furries are involved. A SFW anthro community is possible and viable if-and-only-if it can evade association with furries and have almost-zero crossover with the furry community, and frankly the only hope I see of that happening to an appreciable degree is through the fandom for a specific media property. (But of course, the media wants a pre-existing community to pander to, so most likely they would just welcome furry involvement as Disney did with Zootopia.) Any attempt to do it for anthros in general is simply too broad to find the right exclusion criteria while also achieving the critical mass needed to start a community.

I guess the cultural problem which gets into a chicken and egg situation is that really, ideally, you'd have people doing their own SFW art rather than paying others for it. It wouldn't be as good quality, but so long as it's coherent and there isn't a social norm of paying for art in general it would foster a much better creative community. Obviously there are downsides from the perspective of the current crop of artists, but whatever. I've currently gone down the rabbit hole of looking at the low quality art of people who draw on pen and paper and scan it in, usually people who're on the autism spectrum, and tbh something even on that level is preferable to the fandom we have now for the 99% of the time i'm not masturbating. if it was put front-and-centre rather than hanging around on the sidelines, and if it had more neurotypical or talented participants it would be an alternative model, but you'd have to time-travel to have that be ingrained as the norm from the start.


 No.98807

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>>98791 (OP)

>Do you participate in other aspects of the community?

not really but going to a con is on my bucket list

>Do think the fandom as a whole is too obsessed with porn or lewd content?

on /fur/? yea I guess. but not the fandom as a whole. Maybe you look in the wrong places

>Should we try to do anything about it?

nah


 No.98809>>98825 >>98840

>>98804

this photo is someones fetish


 No.98812>>98840

In my mind, the hyper-sexualitty of the fandom results from (at least American )society's largely puritanical and vanilla attitudes.

People generally think using some combination of meta-cognition whereby they organize their thoughts, or they go off the instinctual impressions in their brain made unconsciously by a mixture of prior experience and biology.

As a matter of course, normies internalize the rhetoric surrounding them. When they repeat arguments, they generally blindly regurgitate it by rote, and do not build up logical structures in their own head. This is how people become so entrenched in political, religious, and sexual argument without much lucidity. The confident regurgitation of rhetoric is a rough parallel to an ape beating it's chest, or a dog snarling and barking on the end of a leash. But what's this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Chiefly, most normies don't realize they fit into the social norms, mores, and taboos that guide the public world. There is a level of comfort and security that comes with this state which is almost completely taken for granted. For those who have ever left normalcy, that state of shameless self-assurance is as elusive as it is precious. The anxieties of rejection, both imagined and real, accumulate and lead to a two-pronged self-image. The deviant is a two-headed coin, a face hidden behind a mask.

The facets of self that can be shared in public are, but all else is tucked strategically behind a barrier for personal protection. The "furry community" for many is the space where these anxieties can be temporarily and cathartically released. It serves as an audience from which little judgement can be expected, and what judgement is present is held at arm's length by digital barriers and anonymity.

In short, many go to the furry fandom to escape the uncomfortable normalcy outside it.

Your easiest option is to just give up your deviant interest in anthropomorphism. Whatever the difficulty of that task, imagine forcing a stranger person to do it instead, and then multiply that difficulty by the degenerate population of this fandom. The product of this thought experiment is the magnitude of futility in your ambitions.

You might create a new fandom through diligent gatekeeping, but more likely than not it will either go stale due to low demand, or become subverted or destroyed by those you wish to keep out.

Your second-easiest option is to accept perversion and degeneracy as the norm of this fandom, and then demonstrate the alternative without judgement. You might be overshadowed by an MS paint dog dick, but you might also attract those who can sympathize with your desire for a more-normal expression of the fandom.


 No.98813

>>98791 (OP)

It's a lot easier to do than attempting clean stuff and it gets more hits.


 No.98823

Because we have testosterone. Testosterone makes us horny.

If you would like us not to be horny, you should promote MtF transsexuality.

If you do not want us to be horny, and you are not willing to promote the medical interventions that would lead to us being less horny, you should shut the fuck up and/or go back to Tumblr.


 No.98825>>98840

>>98809

I could certainly jerk off to it


 No.98840>>98842

Because it's a fandom revolving around characters we find sexually attractive, just like the anime fandom is full of hentai.

>>98803

>>98812

Really makes me think

>>98809

>>98825

Looks like a shota to me so yes. But I mostly just want to hug him and hold hands


 No.98842>>98843 >>98846

>>98840

>just like the anime fandom is full of hentai.

The thing is, there's at least a distinction between anime and hentai. Furry and Furry porn are basically synonymous. You might suspect 99% of weebs jerk it to hentai, but you know 100% of furries consume furry porn, and in that 1% is the ambiguity that lets you tell your friends about Evangelion (despite that scene!) but not any work from within the fandom. (No, Disney's Robin Hood doesn't count.)


 No.98843

>>98842

the main character is a necrophilliac.


 No.98845

>>98791 (OP)

I didn't even know there was something to furry beyond porn. Fursuit crafting, maybe, but I'm not interested in that (and thus tend to miss that). I like the world building aspect that's necessary to being a furry (i.e. how different world/life/society/whatever would be with furries), but that's partly because I'm autistic pedantic and like world building in general. Furries can take that some other, more interesting path that I would otherwise dismiss, since apparently founding stupid ideas on animal looks or behaviour makes those ideas less stupid.


 No.98846>>98855 >>98865 >>98868

>>98842

>but you know 100% of furries consume furry porn

Factually incorrect. The issue is that there's no standard and commonly accepted distinction between "Furry" and "NSFW Furry" like there is Anime and Hentai. I've met plenty of people in the """"fandom"""" that have absolutely zero interest in the sexual end of things and are just in it for the cute costumes and friends (sfw) artwork.

It's a overbearing aspect the whole thing due to the history of the """"fandom"""" and being so open early on to attract the fetishists en mass absolutely, but there's plenty of genuinely pure sectors of the """"fandom"""" despite that.

As far as being an artist operating on commissions, there's no denying that NSFW pays the bills, unless you can subsist on raw artistic talent alone that it can negate this (I know of at least one artist of the top of my head that goes REEEEE at the very notion of NSFW but seems to be doing well for herself despite.), but that doesn't mean the non sexually interested doesn't exist.


 No.98855>>99027

>>98846

very much this.

one of my friends has absolutely 0 interest in the nsfw aspect but somehow is way more involved in the community than me.


 No.98864

why does everything have to be SFW

can't the man go ahead and find some other aesthetics to stripmine


 No.98865

>>98846

>I know of at least one artist of the top of my head that goes REEEEE at the very notion of NSFW but seems to be doing well for herself

yes, and why the fuck would you- would anyone- want to establish a social context where the point is to surround themselves with that


 No.98868>>98870 >>98874

>>98846

>I've met plenty of people in the """"fandom"""" that have absolutely zero interest in the sexual end of things and are just in it for the cute costumes and friends (sfw) artwork.

Wrong, or at least unprovable. You've met plenty of people who show absolutely zero interest in the sexual end of things. The fact they don't parade it publicly doesn't mean they don't quietly jerk to it in their room on a dark light with the curtains drawn. Fool you if you fall for that old trick.

Purity cannot be contrived. It is always possible in the end to tell the difference between the real deal and an elaborate contrivance.


 No.98870>>98871 >>99008

>>98868

what a shit argument. What if I told you everyone secretely liked penises, even straight men? I could use the very same words as you.


 No.98871

>>98870

You would have to evidence it with proof that nearly everyone who has tried to plausibly pretend to be straight is actually gay as fuck. That's much harder than with furry, where nearly every Majira who comes along and pretends the fandom is SFW eventually gets caught with a thousand porn commissions hidden somewhere.


 No.98874

>>98868

A couple of the people in question get 'triggered' (their phrasing, not mine) over anything remotely sexual, furry or otherwise, due to negative past experiences with relationships gone bad. They at least I can guarantee have absolutely zero interest in furry NSFW content.

For myself, while I'd prefer high quality SFW content, I'm not going to have a hissy fit over the nature or intended purpose of a piece of art, if it's good, it's good, whether it was made just to be fap content or not. So if you were to delve into my drives, you'd assume that because significant chunks of it are blatant fap material that I'm only have them saved for that purpose, when in actuality it's only because I genuinely like the artwork and thought it was worth making sure it didn't disappear if the artist decides to go nuclear.


 No.99003>>99045

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I can appreciate both, though I've always liked the SFW stuff more. Shame there isn't more of it or maybe I'm just not looking in the right places.


 No.99004

Porn has been around since the kamasutra. Some people decided to capitalize on it. Everyone has sexual needs. Nothing new, nothing old


 No.99008

>>98870

What if I told you everyone secretly wished they were the 13th US president, Millard Fillmore? If you deny it, that is itself proof that you're trying to cover it up. The obviousness of the premise should speak for itself.


 No.99027>>99028

>>98855

This is nice. Who is the artist?


 No.99028

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>>99027

look the bottom left of the picture


 No.99030>>99064 >>99070

seeing people upload fetish art but insisting they're asexual

not sure if there's a comical level of cognitive dissonance at play there, or my definition of asexuality is unreasonably narrow.


 No.99045

>>99003

The girl in that third pic owo


 No.99057

I have a paraphilia that can't be achieved RL. It only gets worse because I can't have it. What do you think is going to happen?


 No.99064

>>99030

When in doubt, assume people are dumb.


 No.99065

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Humans would sit around, starve, and eventually die off without the urge to get horny and have sex.


 No.99070>>99106

>>99030

For one, there are degrees of asexuality. There's also people who are fine with masturbation, but aren't into interpersonal sex. But I've also run into several FA and IB accounts of who are obviously VERY religious people, who often state clearly that they will not look at any kind of porn or nudity and don't want to talk about anything sexual, but who fave, commission and/or draw fetish art-- usually either pregnancy or diapers. These guys usually seem to post/draw/look at ONLY that one fetish and absolutely nothing else.


 No.99106>>99111 >>99252

>>99070

> Degrees of asexuality

I feel like that prepending a to something negates that thing.

atheist = without theism

abiotic = without living organisms

apathy = without feelings

If you are a person without sexuality, I feel like asexual is a very fitting label.

If you are non-amorous because you prefer to masturbate alone without a shared or romantic element, I feel like that word would better fit here than trying to turn the concept of asexuality into a spectrum.

Someone being partially asexual means they are, in effect, sexual, and thus not asexual. Someone partly believing in a deity would be a theist, not an atheist. A chunk of material that is only partly abiotic would contain organic matter and thus not be abiotic. When you express feelings about a topic, you give up the ability to convincingly claim you're apathetic about it.

It's like the word "asexual" in this instance means "I'm interesting, and complex enough that you need to talk to me to find out how.", and does not actually lend descriptive power to any extant audience.


 No.99111>>99174

>>99106

There's asexual, and there's aromantic. You can be one, or the other, or both. But here's what I mean by degrees: There are asexual people who do not want to have sex at all. There are also asexual people who are okay with doing it to please their partner, but don't otherwise seek it out.


 No.99122

There's no such thing as being into furry and not being into furry porn. Anyone telling you otherwise is making shit up.


 No.99174>>99179

>>99111

I understand the concept, but I just don't agree with using a word as specific as asexual to describe a spectrum of sexual behaviors/interests.


 No.99179

>>99174

I understand that, but at the same time, I'd like less precise categorization, less labels, not more, if possible.


 No.99240

I have beat my meat almost everyday since i was 11. My advice to you guys is to not do this and spread meat beating like a mature adult would with his alcohol. Like someone that has a glass of bourbon on a Friday night you to can mitigate your meat beat time. at this point i cant really feel my dick and i find myself having to dig deeper and deeper to get a hard on and bust a nut. dont over do it please, have some time in between and i promise, YoUr gOiNg to have a good time


 No.99252

>>99106

>When you express feelings about a topic, you give up the ability to convincingly claim you're apathetic about it.

I'm not sure that's true. I regularly give my feelings on all sorts of topics while being otherwise apathetic. It's common to say that voters were apathetic in a given election - but despite their lack of enthusiasm they still went out and picked between whatever uninspiring candidates were on offer. I'd also tepidly suggest those who occasionally believe in some higher power, without rhyme or reason, and without worship are still for all practical purposes atheists unless they themselves care to think otherwise.

If Asexual is to be used as a broad term, it's not particularly objectionable unless that term lacks descriptive value. If the practical message conveyed is "Will not have sex with anyone", it may be socially preferable to say that than to say "I will not have sex with anyone because I like masturbating more."

The catch, of course, is that you then look bizarre sticking the label on your fetish porn account, which is a situation where an alternative term would be of benefit.


 No.99264

h8?


 No.99265

true. I regularly give my feelings on all sorts of topics while being otherwise apathetic. It's common to say that voters were apathetic in a given election - but despite their lack of enthusiasm they still went out and picked between whatever uninspiring candidates were on offer. I'd also tepidly suggest those who occasionally believe in some higher power, without rhyme or reason, and without worship are still for all practical purposes atheists unless they themselves care to think otherwise.

If Asexual is to be used as a broad term, it's not particularly objectionable unless that term lacks descriptive value. If the practical message conveyed is "Will not have sex with anyone", it may be socially preferable to say that than to say "I will not have sex with anyone because I like masturbating more."

The catch, of course, is that you then


 No.99266

ut. dont over do it please, have some time in between and i promise, YoUr gOiNg to have a good time


 No.99344

I do, OP, but I feel /fur/ (or any popular furry board) is not the best place to find others who feel that way. Without fault these general purpose large furry boards are filled with your average 90-115 IQ guys who just want to jerk off to the porn and in many cases are turned off by anything more involved than that. I myself only happened to see this thread on the front page on my one visit in years.

Niche non-furry groups with some sort of genuine interest or investment required as a way to filter out the chaff are where I go to find intelligent people who happen to also be furries to have discussions with, as the ideal niche furry imageboard with five "active" users just doesn't exist most of the time. The sad reality is that porn is all most people want, and if you open the doors to most people, that's what you get.


 No.99464

>>98791 (OP)

Furry is a fantasy lifestyle. That's why furry and porn are attracted to one another by nature. It's a magnet for delusion, wishing, and all sorts of childish magical thinking




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