/fur/ - Furry★

>When the client wants you to trace a picture of his dick for the image

I've had this more than once

>When the client wants cum absolutely everywhere

It's one thing to have alot of cum but when you start adding cum in places it wouldn't realistically end up it takes away from the believability of the image.

It no longer looks like the cum came from that one person and you no longer can relate to how it would feel to cum so much

>When other artists don't study and then complain to you that they're not improving and it's making them feel bad

This one happens way too much, many artists have never studied a minute in their life so its no surprise that they plateau quickly. You can't come complaining to me that I've surpassed you as if you want me to stop drawing

>When the client wants an image that shows the dick balls tits ass taint face and feet all in the same image

>Artist draws cum yellow

>In neutral lighting

>On a character that is not alien or otherwise exotic enough for there to be an excuse

>With a consistency that is clearly not urine

Please god stop this, if your cum is yellow there is something wrong with you it is not sexy

>I do SFW only, don't ask me to do NSFW

>Unless you're part of a select group of certain friends

>Or I feel like making a crude sexual joke

>Also don't spread around my NSFW stuff because it makes me really upset and reminds me that I will throw away my "SFW-only" dignitas if enough money gets waved under my nose

>critique me and I'll sic my fanboys on you

You are not Leonardo da Vinci, you are a disposable replaceable furry porn artist. Drop the ego. If you died your fans would care for 5 minutes then find another artist to obsess over.

>conflict between art style and character design

>ref pics that dont make sense

>when client doesn't know how to answer the questions you have about what they want

>"just do whatever you want uwu"

>artist severely fucks up either anatomy or details

>refuses to correct their mistake unless client pays extra for "time"

This is why furries rely on commissions for money and can't run real businesses. Businesses that fuck up and refuse to correct it lose customers but furries are dumb enough to bend over and take it when the artist develops an attitude.

>artist charges money for commission work

>"lol the final drawing is still MY property"

Fuck your buyers over, I bet it feels good. Just don't expect any company to hire you with that attitude. I don't know why you feel a need to retain full copyright and give them nothing but you're a fucking asshole for doing this and you deserve no money.

What, would you build someone a house if they pay you and then tell them "nope, it's MY house, fuck off"? I don't know why the laws on hired artwork are such a mess compared to other paid jobs but this should be "work for hire" 100% of the time.

>>88744

Recategorizing it as work for hire would entail significant price hikes for a number of commissioners. You want to own something lock-stock-and-barrel, be prepared to pay what an actual contractor pays.

>>88747

But y do?

>water mark or no watermark?

>its ugly but I want people to be able to find me if they see my stuff somewhere I didn't post

>when the client wants you to touch up a pic

>the only version they saved was a 500x400 jpeg that's been severely artifacted

>>88753

>> keep seeing an artist that puts watermarks on fucking ICON commissions that take up a quarter of the image

>>88744

If you buy a CD, you can't go and copy that CD and sell it for profit

This is why industry jobs pay more than unprofessional jobs, becuase you are not just selling your services, but also the rights to what you make

>>88753

Don't watermark, just put a small readable signature somewhere, it doesn't have to stand out, if someone wants to find the artist they will search for a signature

>>88744

this, it's very important to be clear on what changes are the fault of the artist vs the fault of the client

>>88754

That's on you, as the artist you should have a full resolution file prefereably with tidy layers so that you can edit things. I've made a ton of money in after-the-fact commissions when the client comes back a few months later and wants some elements changed

>>88707

Wew

>>88708

>you no longer can relate to how it would feel to cum so much

99.999% of furry images with cum have more of it than any human could ever produce, so that's just being ridiculous.

>>88753

>Puts a giant fuck you watermark over a image.

>Is incomprehensible unless you knew who the artist was beforehand, and even then could be obscured to the point of being indecipherable.

So not only do you ruin a image by plastering some sort of scribble like a toddler with their older siblings prized book collection, you also make it impossible to find them anyway, unless reverse google image search decides to be cooperative the rare times it is.

Also,

>Changing the filename on a furaffinity file, frequently the only way to find the original artist again.

>>88760

Emphasis on "readable". So many signatures I come across are complete unreadable jibberish.

>>88809

That's a matter of calligraphy, I think.

>>88809

>signature is a symbol

We all need to agree to stop doing this.

>artist blocks someone for arbitrary bullshit hurt feelings reasons

>person blocks artist in return, artist cries and pretends they did nothing to deserve it, claims their freedom of speech was violated, etc

up yours, SonicDash

>>88803

Blame the shitheads that refuse to abide by "do not repost to boorus" requests.

Regardless of what stupid people think, posting art online doe snot wave copyright nor put it in the public domain.

>>88834

It's your fault that you don't specify what you will and won't do.

>>88803

Anyone got any tips for removing watermarks without harming the image too much?

i think maybe i'll just slap a gallery url in the corner of my art?

>>88899

Just an alias is enough anon, seriously

Every furry I meet is either a left wing sjw only here because he was too ugly for npc society, or a cum-brained whore who unironically types "glomps u" in chat, or both.

>>88905

You must be either running in the wrong circles, or very unlucky. I rarely meet either of those. Left-wing, yes, ugly SJW no.

>>88905

Depends on which circle you go into. I was lucky enough to find a lot of right-wingers. They're usually the ones who like religion or firearms.

>>88707

owo

>>88826

>Unironically thinking this

>On a chan board of all places

Have a hardy "fuck you" on the house. Art getting posted around is the only way art survives when sites go down or artists decide to have a hissy fit and delete everything, usually for absolutely retarded reasons. Posting art to boorus without a proper link back to source is a shitty thing to do, but otherwise not doing this is guaranteed to piss off people in the future when sources inevitably get shut down and it wasn't backed up elsewhere because "Oh the artist didn't want you to".

You'd be stupid to give a fuck about "Muh copyright" when you post art on the internet. Other people claiming art as your own when it absolutely isn't, absolutely assblast them. But not expecting people to both either save that art locally and/or repost it elsewhere, frequently with nothing but high praise for the artwork/artist if they went out of their way to do so, then you're properly delusional.

>>88898

There's no way around it, if you want to remove watermarks, you've just gotta have a bit of artistic skill and paint over it the best you can, obviously with the same colors, and/or with duplicate parts of the image if you can.

I have a question for the artists in here. If I commission an artist and they say "oh I love your character I'm so excited to draw them etc etc."

are those genuine compliments or is that just like a marketing trick to get people to spend more?

>>89059

We're not inhuman corporate tricksters, infact most furry artists are quite the opposite, they're as far from being a salesman as you can get

>>89059

When I say that its genuine. I do try to be nice though so I'll find other things to say if their character isn't particularly fun. But its motivated by my own social anxiety- not to butter them up.

And besides, at that point the flat price and job is already agreed to. I can't motivate the customer choice to spend more money unless they're thinking about tipping me more or coming back.

>>89062

In my experience, there are only two kinds of people in life. People who are salesmen, and people who are poor.

>>89064

too bad FA staff would never bother with this, not to mention it'd have no effect on the archives.

>>88936

Is it bad that I assumed the watermark would be the happy merchant?

>>88747

Hiring an actual professional artist would be several times cheaper.

>>89035

>muh artists deleting everything

>muh (((intellectual property)))

>>88898

don't listen to this turbokike >>89035

all you need is a copy of photoshop, legitamate or not

what you do is you use the clone tool or the spot heal tool and the rest is self explanatory

>>88759

>industry jobs pay more than unprofessional jobs

This is a fucking meme that needs to stop.

Industry jobs pay fuck all and being a cunt on the the Internet selling cartoon animal porn to furries not only will make you several dozen times more money, you also get to work from home, you don't have have any responsibilities, no supervisors are breathing down your neck, no deadlines, and you don't even need to be actually good nor skilled at your job, unlike the industry.

The real deal breaker is that the personality needed to become an overpaid popufur is incompatible with both holding an industry job and being focused on growth and improvement as an artist.

>>89101

>no deadlines

there's always deadlines, no matter where or how you work

>>89108

In this fandom you only set deadlines yourself, 6 months in the future for work that should only take 3 hours, and when you miss even that fucking deadline, nobody will hold you accountable for anything.

Even if your product is a "game" and you miss your own deadline by years and keep receiving millionaire fundings for it. Do you know what happens in the real world? The investors pull their money and your ass gets blacklisted, forcing you to find another field of work.

In this fandom?

>"Oh, he must need more money!"

>>89112

>you only set deadlines yourself

that's still a deadline

>>89115

It's as much of a deadline as "I'll start my diet tomorrow"

It's fucking empty and meaningless and you know it, stop pretending it isn't for the sake of arguing semantics.

>>89117

But I'm not pretending, semantics are important.

>>89118

The point being?

>>89119

you didn't need to include the no deadlines bit because it was 1, pointless and 2, misleading

>>89120

Right.

No REAL, MEANINGFUL deadlines set BY THE CLIENTS that they MUST MEET in order to get paid and eat.

Better?

Now are you gonna stop pretending all of this made a single difference?

>>89122

no, not including it in the first place would have been better

:^)

>>89123

Deal with it, it would've also been better if your dad had worn a condom the day you were conceived, yet here you are, single handedly lowering the world's average IQ by a few points.

>>89086

Citation fucking needed

>>89126

damn, how did you know

>>89165

Whom?

>surprise someone with free art

>they complain that I got a small detail wrong

No more gift art then.

>>89165

>>WIPs cost $

omg, that's some EA level shit

>>89180

This is fucking meaningless for the purposes of a comparison between work-for-hire artists and furry commissioners.

>>89203

>cope

face reality, the furry porn industry is literally a bunch of drawfags scamming retards

>>89144

The only post in this thread that actually matters.

>>89221

1. Nice of you to avoid the crux of the argument like a fucking faggot

2. Fools and their money deserve to be parted in any event

>>89228

>Trumped ruined Furry.

Furry was ruined when fags co-opted the fandom.

>>89248

>2. Fools and their money deserve to be parted in any event

See >>89144

>have incredible artist friend

>commission him to draw a ref

>show him a ton of pictures that are similar to what I want, and specifically point out the parts that should be emphasized

>he sketches something

>has literally none of what I wanted

>try to explain what needs to be removed and what needs to be added

>he makes the bare minimum changes and goes ahead and colors it without warning me

>draw my own sketch to show him exactly what I want but drawn better

>he makes fun of it and goes to work on other commissions

I dunno what to do. He's normally a cool guy and a very talented artist but I don't think this is gonna work out and I don't just want to cancel my commission since he's already started putting work into it.

>>89664

I have a hunch that he's trying to give you hints. Ask yourself and others, if the things you asked for are good ideas.

>>89690

I dunno, my old ref was pretty popular when I used it. I think it's more a clash in art styles. My old ref is cartoony as fuck and I just wanted it to take a step toward realism but he seems to only want to draw hyper realistic stuff now. He drew something for me before that was a nice balance between cartoony and realistic and I asked him to draw something like that again but he seems dead set on drawing a scientific image of a generic wild animal instead of a semi-realistic one with the unique identifying traits I pointed out.

>>89724

No, he's just being stubborn I guess. And no, what I meant by unique identifying traits was stuff like muscle definition, facial structure, stuff like that, not rainbow fur patterns. What he's drawn now could be any generic dog instead of what my character actually looks like.

>>89718

Mind showing some examples?

>>89718

Sounds like you commissioned the wrong artist

You can't blend cartoony and realistic, you have to stay somewhere on either end, if you go in the middle you end up with a really creepy result

>>89664

simple- he's not doing what you want even when paid. Cancel it AND if he's insulting you he's not your friend. Get at least a partial refund and never speak to the shitbag again.

>>89849

what crime did kayla-na commit?

>>89035

Have a well-deserved "fuck you and your entire family" preferably with a cup of chlorine bleach you drink quickly for your entitled attitude in which you think artists should be more than happy to "enrich the world" for no compensation or ownership of their creations.

No the copyright is not waived, no you aren't entitled to have it. I wish your family members die in a horrible auto accident, would serve your dumb ass right for being a clueless prick that thinks Trey & Matt's idiotic ideas on art have merit.

I wasn't put on this planet to make you happy. Go kill yourself.

>>89852

I'd refer you to her ED article detailing over a decade of her treating much of this fandom like trash and getting away with it, but the whiny bitches who run ED bend over backwards and take her articles down when she complains.

I also suspect she's either a janitor on 4chan /pol/(which would not be a huge surprise what with her being a conservative) or has a friend who is, as I made a thread there on her ED articles getting purged once and got banned from all boards within 2 damn minutes of the post. Gofy bitch has someho wmanaged a level of authority despite contributing nothing positive ot the fandom, but even though she used to call Zaush a rapist she now sucks up to him so she probably know show to play the system. Even so she'll still end up homeless someday, she could never cut it in the real world and needs online asspats, and her net fame won't last indefinitely.

>porn artists & "shippers" think their delusional made-up horseshit is in line with canon

Here's a hint- if you don't own the IP, if you don't work for the company, you don't get to say what is and is not canon. That goes double for your "but the characters really love each other" garbage.

If only companies would actually C&D the crap that flies in the face of official material...

>>89853

Awww, is baby furry upset?

Free market, bitch. Art is worthless because art skills are easy to pick up.

>>89854

>she's either a janitor on 4chan /pol/(which would not be a huge surprise what with her being a conservative)

Pol doesn't have conservative janitors, you dumb gay nigger.

>Commission 2 pictures from popular artist

>Get one after 70 days of him posting gift art for friends and a few other commissions

>Does more gift art and some other commissions instead of just doing my second picture right after the first

>Get the second one after another 70 or so days

What's worse is that it only took a month the first time I commissioned him.The latest commission from him took over 4 months for 1 picture. Also:

>Artist finishes my commission

>Ask if he could make a version with 1 character edited out

>Charges full price

If only there was an AI that could paste what I see in my head into photoshop, i'd never have to commission these people again.

>artists talks about how disgusting their clients are and how much they hate furry porn

Well maybe if you think that way you should get a different job dumbass. It must be really hard staying home and drawing all day.

Its really hard to resist the urge to show off my commission wips. I normally pester my friends with my in-progress work, but I respect commissioner privacy.

>>89059

They say that to everyone because it fools suckers into tipping more or coming back as repeat customers.

If an artist actually likes your character there are some pretty obvious signs

>they'll give you priority because they actually do like and want to draw it

>they might draw it for free

>they'll actively discuss the dirty details of your commission because your character turns them on

If all you've gotten is an empty compliment it's just that, an empty marketing trick

>>90437

too bad.

>>90437

Italian motorcycles are always falling apart and people still wait on lists and work second jobs so they can own one. There’s no accounting for taste right?

>>89059

Here's some signs it's genuine in my experience.

>give you a free extra alongside the commission

>faster than normal turnover

>give you a discount or upgrade your commission at no extra cost

>alternative to >>90438's 3rd point, asks questions about your character because they want to learn more about them

>vent to you about how they're finally able to draw a character like yours and not more samey stuff

Granted my last point is more questionable as my characters are from rarely seen species so take it as you will.

>>89853

Then why even allow you stuff to be posted on the internet in the first place?

>>89062

>we're not inhuman corporate tricksters

um...most furry artists are exactly that, money grubbers who attempt to wring the commissioner for as much as possible while doing as little as possible.

To be quite frank, if an artist compliments you, the commissioner, assuming you are not an artist yourself or a writer then 90% of the time the compliment is for one reason only.

An attempt to butter you up so you don't complain when they put zero effort into your piece and fuck you over. Most furry artists actually are essentially parasites that you have to carefully tread around and gently coax into actually doing what you've paid them to do

It's pretty fucked up when you think about it

>>92853

>um...most furry artists are exactly that, money grubbers who attempt to wring the commissioner for as much as possible while doing as little as possible

I haven't experienced that. I can't recall any friends who have, either. But none of us commission the top-level popufurs, either. And we also don't really do "samey" stuff; we've had artists say they were excited by something different.

>>89982

liar

>>89059

both. the people who get ahead are the people who genuinely believe it and yet also just want your money.

counter-intuitive as it seems: in this fandom the fake is genuine and the genuine is fake.

>>92888

most popufurs are terrible people

to give an example AdelaHerz literally goes through a list of people who watch her and spam favorites their stuff whenever she's about to open for commissions/ych so she can try and endear them into spending money

>>92942

I get that. But "most popufurs" does not equal "most furry artists." There are maybe hundreds of really good furry artists, who are friendly and personable and will work with you to make sure you get what you want. Nobody is required to commission the most popular people.

>>92950

Link me six (5) artists that are not only good BUT not shitbags too

>>92943

You're screwed

>>92943

Your fault for still posting there

Reminder that dragoneer is basically a pedo and had a cub character with that Chrome fellow and is desperately trying to bury that

>>92959

I can't guarantee anything, because "good" art is very subjective. Things I love, you could easily hate. But here are six artists I really like, who I think are friendly and whose art I tend to enjoy. Note that not all of them draw porn. The only one I commission regularly is DrJavi, and he's a pleasure to work with.

KaeMantis

MaryMouse

Fox-Pop

Zorryn

DrJavi

RickGriffin

They're all on FA under those names. Stasis_Delirium is another favorite of mine. But while he draws wonderful scenic art, he's also quite reserved and doesn't do commissions.

>>92981

>good art is subjective

Wrong, art is a very technical and precise thing. A person's mastery over anatomy or scenic rendering is an objective skill and of the 7 names you listed only 2 are mildly passable

The rest are embarrassingly shit. This is ultimately why people go for popufurs because even if they're money hungry predators like adelaherz or tanraak, nobody in their right mind could say with a straight face that their art is bad

>>92987

Ah, I understand now. You have an extremely high bar, you accept only the best, and you're angry that the artists you consider to be the best are assholes. Now, you say "only two are mildly passable," I say all seven are to my personal liking. When you said you wanted me to name artists who are good, you didn't specify what you meant by 'good.' To me, there is art which is cartoony, and that's okay. There is art which has some flaws but is still enjoyable.

Fox-Pop, Mary Mouse, Dr. Javi and Kae Mantis do toony work, which may not be your thing, but is mine, and I think these are examples of "good" toony art, but I've talked to people who feel "good" and "cartoony" cannot be connected. That's an opinion, of course.

Rick Griffin does comic strips. His stuff includes detailed backgrounds, but it's still somewhat cartoonish. Zorryn focuses on character detail, but still has occasional anatomy flaws. Stasis Delirium draws intensely detailed scenery, and I think anatomy and perspective issues can be set aside when the art still draws me in.

Next time you issue a challenge, you should say what you mean. Openly explain your lofty standards, and state that you will accept no flaws of any kind. You'll find that most artists, whether they're friendly, popular or not, will have some. Perhaps, since I gave you my list, you can give me a list of your own: name six artists who draw technically-perfect work, but have shitty personalities. I'm not doubting your ability to come up with such a list, nor am I doubting that they exist, I'd just like to see it.

>>92987

Provide a unit for artistic merit, and then a formula to calculate it. Oh yeah, I forgot it's actually subjective and exists in the same way that any social construct does.

>>92995

>there's no such thing as artistic consistency

go back to school

>>92993

>name six artists with technically perfect work

I never said it had to be flawless, just "good"

I'll give you my list

Tanraak

Zaush

Patto (only person on the list who is actually nice in person)

Null-ghost (idk if he's an asshole or not)

Adelaherz

Angel27/Gojira

>>89461

>have a friend artist who I want to give money to

>"I don't do commissions for friends"

>>93007

money between friends always ends up badly, he made the right decision

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_crowding_theory

furry economix

>>92959

Oouna

Honovy

Tatchit

pixelsketcher

ruaidri

Too lazy for a sixth (5th), but all are chill good artists

>>93033

>all six (5) artists are actually good

wow, nice job anon you actually did what I asked. I'm glad someone else actually understands what "good artist" means. You get a gold star

>>93015

It wouldnt be the first time there was money between us and it doesnt "always" end up badly. Never happened to me actually.

>>93035

Well, someone understood after you explained. That's like going to a restaurant, telling them to bring you "good food," and being upset when they don't realize you think that steak and potatoes are the best food. Say what you mean.

>>93033

Thanks. Glad you were able to placate him. I definitely like some of those, but didn't mention them because I know absolutely nothing about the artists.

>be good at art

>charge $200-300 per picture because I can and it pays the bills

>retarded nobody artists rant about me on their streams and say that anything above $80 is too much

>retarded poorfags agree

honestly, fuck me I guess for trying to make a career out of my hobby. It's ok for a plumber to charge $70 plus tip to tighten a few loose bits of tubing but god forbid I give people a physical representation of their hearts desire and actually manage to eat after I'm done.

>>93180

when you make a career out of your hobby, it ceases to be a hobby and becomes a career.

so yes, fuck you for being part of the trend of dissolving the work-life balance and marching us towards the precipice of perpetual toil.

(but only fuck you a little bit, because it's a big material trend and you're just one internet loser.)

>>93182

>only a material trend

ok communist, whatever you say.

Also, I would hardly call myself a loser, getting to jack off on the job and make money, I mean I'm pretty fucking happy, I still like and enjoy what I draw even if it's commissions

>>93180

It sucks that supply and demand are a thing, but then again, if you care about people who can't afford your pics, you can do it easily.

>>93182

Oh boy, people want to make some money and have a car/house/advance in life? Stop the presses, someone does what they like and get paid for it!

>>93180

I can only show sympathy depending on the level of quality of the art in question. If we're talking top notch anatomy and fine painterly detail that needs a 4k or larger monitor to truly appreciate in one go, then fair enough on those prices.

If we're talking just your semi-basic toony linework with loose attention to detail, along with solid shadows and maybe highlights as well, and not much else, then I'd agree with the streamers you're overcharging by possibly up to 3x more than it's probably worth.

>>93185

It's worth exactly as much as somebody is willing to pay for it.

>>93183

>if you don't think one artist can stop the tide you're a communist

baffling little faggot

>>93184

>Oh boy, people want to make some money and have a car/house/advance in life

believe it or not there was a day where you could do that without the house being rented and used as a neo-workhouse for the benefit of a few coastal liberal tech twats.

>>93203

>I honestly didn't even see that post of him explaining it until now, was just doing a driveby to shill out some neato artists earlier. The artists listed are all ones I've personally dealt with somehow, a couple I chat with regularly. All are certified cool people

Awesome. Either way, your list satisfied him, but I stand by my statement that he didn't specify what he meant by "good." Especially notable is not stating from square one that he's one of those "I am a coldly logical person and everything is completely objective" types.

I have a question, is it considered rude or like, a social faux pas to either

A) commission an artist twice in one month

B) commission them multiple months in a row

because like, I don't want to be a dick and put pressure on them or risk upsetting other people who want a shot. Also, for in-stream commissions, what's the etiquette? I assume if you get something too detailed it's rude because it takes a lot of time

>>93348

If the artist is willing to take on multiple commissions from you over any period of time, I say feel free to do so. It's the same with anything with limited supply. Artists will usually tell you whether your request is too detailed for a stream and will either tell you to change it or charge extra. You seem to be concerned over being overbearing, which is good, since you should be able to tell if an artist is holding back. But most artists will speak up if you do act poorly.

>>93372

idk, I just ask because none of the artists I speak to ever really say anything. So I've been asking and some people just say "oh don't worry, artists love getting money so any return customer is a welcome one"

at the same time I don't ever want to end up being "that guy" who gets bitched about in these types of threads. Truth be told I'm still kind of new to the whole commissioning thing so I'm not exactly positive on the ins and outs on what I should be doing

>>93386

you're overthinking it

buying from furfag artists is no different than buying from any other business entity

90% of the time, they don't care who or what you are as long as they get money. On the off chance you do meet some sperg who gets upset about being paid then just avoid them and don't engage them ever again.

Other than that, go nuts.

>>93386

If you're worried about it, ask the artist. The preferences may vary.

>>93386

>at the same time I don't ever want to end up being "that guy" who gets bitched about in these types of threads.

Nah, just learn to ignore bitching like that. You don't need the approval of random anons like that.

>>93386

As long as you're not annoying, have a weird character or ask for weird art, nobody will mind.

>when you're irrationally paranoid that some other artist doesn't like you based on one whole interaction een though they probably don't even remember who you are

This sucks, bros

>an actual artist in the industry charges maybe $180-200 for a fully shaded digital art piece

>a furry porn artist charges 300+ for black and white renders

Yikes

>>93563

An actual artist can charge a million for a black square on white canvas. People have a right to sell for whatever they want, people have a right to buy for whatever they want.

You can't put objective value on art.

>>93590

you can't price in externalities of art either, apparently.

the furry commission market should be made to bear the full cost of the negative social externalities it creates.

>>93596

We need to tax furries. Or send them all to gulags.

>>93596

>>93590

>actually trying to justify furry scams

yeah, no people's scribblings for hundreds of dollars is utterly ridiculous

>>93627

Then don't pay this much.

>>93662

if you won't pay you can't play

>>93664

If the artist asks for too much, they won't get any money. If the artist asks for too little, they'll get buried in work.

And if you can't pay, you also can't get food, water and a roof over your head. Strangely enough, artists need those, too.

>people actually pay furry artists in full before getting their product

Honestly I never understood this, most artists are dishonest and out to just grab money while doing no work. Standard practice should be half when you receive a sketch and the other half when it's finally done.

>>93666

>And if you can't pay, you also can't get food, water and a roof over your head.

society at least tokenistically considers this to be "a. bad. thing." and hasn't yet abolished the measures that were created to try and stop it from being a thing.

of course if you're a furry you don't have to worry about that, you can be a trust fund kid or the vassal of the trust fund kids.

>client wants you to 'make it work'

>artist strategically puts their unintelligible watermark/sig in plain view right next to the sex bits of an image

100% chance I won't save it no matter how good the pic quality was.

>>89664

gee what a fucking friend

>>93669

Society considers the fact that we have to pay people for their work spent on producing food/water/etc. a bad thing? I understand that slavery is still remembered fondly by some, but I don't think that society at large wants it.

>>93698

>Society considers the fact that we have to pay people for their work spent on producing food/water/etc. a bad thing?

so are you strawmanning or are you just an utter retard?

>>93700

Strawmanning, since your argument is shit, so I had to make an actual one out of it. You'd have to really explain the weird notion that society thinks it's bad that you have to pay for food.

>>93668

>Honestly I never understood this, most artists are dishonest and out to just grab money while doing no work

You made this argument in another thread, too, but it seems you have only anecdotal evidence.

>>93669

Are you the guy who was claiming that most furries are wealthy?

>>93705

this is the first thread I've been in tho?

>>93005

>not defining your terms

You first, buddy.

I could draw a fat scuba diving fur 3000 times, keeping my technique consistent. Is that objectively better quality than someone who paints a single masterpiece?

Oh look, I didn't interpret your vague notion charitably and so can dismiss it easily.

>>93563

You have to understand, furries do not buy art because they want a quality product, there are many popufur artists that have either awful proportions or other problems with them and then after getting popular, people continue to spend money not because they actually want a "good" art piece but because they want the name attached to it, they want attention and what's the best way of getting attention for your character? get a popufur to draw and post it on twitter.

Take rajii for example, his art is decent, just that, decent. He can only draw a blushing face or some breed of femboys (which nets him points from retards) but he has a huge flaw that many artists, popufurs especially suffer from.

They can't draw fur, it's just bodypaint skin and yet, despite being a FURRY artist who can't draw fur, he is extremely popular which allows him to charge ridiculous amounts of money for a commission. At this point people buy just so they can get a brand name, regardless of the actual quality of the piece.

>>93722

Dont dog on Kody like that man. He has an important job of being every furry artist's "at least I'm not".

>>93702

>You'd have to really explain the weird notion that society thinks it's bad that you have to pay for food

But that's not what was said. What was said is that society thinks it's bad that some people can't pay for food, and has taken measures to ensure that this situation is not the case - or at least should not be the case if everything goes to plan.

not that it's a surprise that a furry would immediately jump to the stupidest interpretation possible.

>>93735

Society thinks that some people who are not able to perform any work to pay for stuff is bad, not that paying for stuff is bad.

I see where the confusion is, you've taken the thing out of context and tried to sound smart. If you don't want to interpreted, maybe you should write clearly.

>>93750

Mind=blown

>artist doesnt instantly hand you a completed pic after payment

wtf bros

>>93750

I didn't notice the smaller eyes until this post.

>artist has a fetish for monochrome

>they don't realize monochrome is more than just black and white

Welp, I'm bored, tell me guys, what artists are secret assholes, I'm not talking about well known cunts like kayla-na or zaush.

I mean lesser known people, like maybe todex, anixis or rajii

Are these people nice? Does anybody know any of them, name drop some random artists good or bad. I want to read stories

>>93882

Most artists are just normal people, if you want some fucked up stories go to KiwiFarms or ED or something.

Vader-san is a nice guy though, streams frequently and is pretty open about everything. Would recommend as a decent person.

>>93882

PatrikTheDog is a massive cunt

>>93887

Care to elaborate? Is it more than "didn't accept my commission"?

>>93717

Ah, there was someone a while back claiming that ALL furry artists are assholes who only want to take your money and give as little as possible.

>>93897

One of those overrated lazy YCH artists that's fine if you want a quick commission and you don't care about the details. I claimed one with a request that I made extremely clear before paying that I wanted a slight change to the sketch. She agreed, no big deal, said it would be a simple change, and said she'd show me the edited sketch before starting on the commission. Two weeks later she tells me she completed the commission, and not only did she not make the edit but the character's markings are pretty off and didn't match my reference sheet. I was disappointed but I still wanted to be nice, so I said it looked cool (I mean she's a good artist) but that I really wish she kept me in the loop before completing the whole thing because she forgot the edit. She responds saying no problem, she will start the entire thing over. I immediately felt guilty and said that she didn't have to start COMPLETELY over but it would very much be appreciated if she made the changes I asked for. She says no problem.

1 month later I finally get a sketch. It's not what I asked. I feel awkward at this point and say it's not exactly what I asked for, but that it's pretty close. No response. Another month passes. Tons and I means TONS of other much newer commissions are completed and uploaded. I send her a message once every 2-3 weeks (usually when she does an upload dump of newer commissions) very simple messages just asking for an update, and I try my best to be friendly because it felt like I was walking on coals. I did receive a "finished" product after all. My messages get read and I don't receive a response most of the time, other times I get some sort of weird excuse. And the end of month 3 I get fed up and file a dispute with PayPal after a recommendation from a friend, and in the dispute I make an ultimatum. Finish my commission or I want my money back. The commission was finished 2 days later.

Not a pleasant experience. I regret giving that bitch my money, and it's all I can think of when I look at that picture now. I highly recommend Zizicakes though, she(?) was lovely. The commission I got from her was half the price, was done within a week, and it wasn't a shitty YCH.

>>93882

Anixis and rajii are pretty nice from my experience.

Theres a lot of popular suit makers who don't give a fuck, though

>>93921

I've never spoken to rajii, what's he like. Also, is he actually indian because rajii is an indian name

>>93921

>>93928

>overt-exaggeration technicolor femboy trash

>i'm supposed to understand why people gobble this shit up

Get some better taste you faggots

>>93934

This, rajii and anixis have terrible fucking art styles and one of em is now an unstable tranny.

>>93773

Those are definitely big japanese dog eyebrows

>give artist money

>artist doesn't give me and 15 other people what they paid for

>They complain about not having enough money despite this

>>93934

>Stop liking things I don't like!

>Commission artist

>they kill themselves 2 days later

>didnt get my pic in that timeframe

think the refund will still go through?

>>94034

I can do one for you if you want.

>>94034

If it was through PayPal then yeah, file a dispute and escalate it.

>>94034

Who kys'd?

>artist tries to pretend they have emotions other than an unending lust for money

>>94052

I want to say that this isn't true but every western furry artist I've met has actually seemed to not enjoy their craft at all and only want money,

Japanese artists I've met were all pleasant though

>>94117

used to do art for money and it sucks the joy right out of it. seen a lot of studies that back this up in other fields. when you make a fun hobby into a job it ends up just being a job in the end.

>>94132

It's no longer a hobby if you have to force yourself to do it. And you force yourself because you need the money. It's a job, but you enjoy it more than McDonalds job, right?

>>94136

honestly? hell no. at least you get social interaction at mcdonalds. this is why I "used to" do art as a hobby/job. now i don't do it at all.

>>94137

If you're starved for it, sure. But if you can't get enough social interaction while having a freelance job, then the job might not be the problem. Have you considered going out with friends when they're off work?

>>94138

thanks for the advice man, but I quit years ago and got a job I like more. I'm a lot happier now. art was the thing I did to survive at the time and it cost me but thats just life sometimes. I know a lot of freelancers who suffer from getting shut in or burned out, usually both at the same time. they have a different drive to what I had tho and I respect them for their decision to keep going at something they love. I didn't love it, thats all there is.

>>94140

It's fine, I was just curious about a freelancer complaining about lack of social interaction, it seems really weird considering how my freelancer friends work and socialize.

>commission artist

>they say they like my character

>take this as a sign that it's ok to commission them again this month because another client of his does it anyway.

>I'm first in the que this time

>artist works on a "I'll finish everything in the month" type schedule

>month almost over

>not even a wip sketch

>artist currently doing streams instead of working on the que

So... Uh... what's the proper etiquette here? I was kind of looking forward to the piece but I don't want everyone else in the que to end up getting shafted just because the artist actually doesn't want to do mine

>>94132

>when you make a fun hobby into a job it ends up just being a job in the end.

the root problem with furry in a sentence

>>94288

just forget about it my dude the money is already gone anyway

>If you don't get a commission slot 1 minute after midnight on saturday morning from lonbluewolf then you will literally never be able to get shit from him unless you luck out and he takes a request during the week

At least it won't form any bad habits that artificially reduce my monthly income by 140 dollars! What a subscription that would be!

>pay upfront for a commission

>all of a sudden after the artist confirms that the payment went through, says they're going to go hang out with friends and when they come back they'll start work on the commissions I bought

>notice my slot info still says I'm unpaid

>it's been 17 hours

one hell of a party

>>94315

sucks, guess that's 80 bucks I'll never get back. Oh well

>>94288

Just politely ask them for an ETA or something you sperg. It's entirely possible that they just forgot to do it or something, don't just sit there saying nothing after you pay and nothing is happening.

>>94319

Have some patience. If it's five or so days and they're still blowing you off, THEN start to worry.

>>94359

>Paid to do something in advance

>lol they just forgot

huge red flag

>>94730

Artist probably has friends, family and a life outside of art. "I forgot, sorry" is an excuse I would accept. That being said, I would only accept it once if an ETA has been given.

I stopped uploading to FA due to low view/fave/watch counts.

Why bother to give them more of what they don't want?

I refuse to change and make shit they want that I don't like.

The only choices were to change and give them what they want when I hate it, or walk off and realize what I do isn't marketable to the masses. If I'm going to lose either way I may as well cut out the effort and not bother, and if your stuff isn't getting attention then you waste your time uploading it. Fuck anyone who says faves/watchers aren't important, that's a lie, it's the only thing that matters on FA and no popufur would ever give up their fame.

>>94752

>inb4 "you're depriving the world of enrichment do what you want not what the masses want" etc

If it's getting no attention when it's posted then not posting it isn't depriving the world of jack shit. Don't act like you want everything then ignore 50% of it when you do get it, you entitled fucker.

This is the problem- furries act like they are owed, show no appreciation and are highly picky. Give it to them and they don't want it. Don't give it to them and they act like they're being deprived.

>>94752

It’s a serious plague on our culture that likes and faves matter. I mean look at the Kardashians. They built an empire on that shit

How well you promote yourself and use your creative abilities to build a personal brand is an important indicator of your personal success, but having 50k idiots following you on Facebook is not the same as successfully promoting yourself. The egg proved that. In spite of this, tho, that is how the world sees it.

Yes, faves/likes are crucially important, but only because the idiotic majority of social media users choose to make it that way.

>>94733

>artist has a life outside of art

I have a life outside of my job too but I never "forget" to do my work on time because when people who have real jobs do that, they get fired

>>94752

Upload to twitter, people eat that shit up and it spreads really fast

>>94752

>view/fave/watch

>doesn't mention comments

why? comments are literally the only form of interaction that are high-enough effort to value.

>>94772

But you're not everyone. My memory is shitty; were I an artist, I might forget. Which is why I said I'd personally give an artist one "I'm sorry, I forgot" chance. After that, I would tell them very firmly (though, admittedly, still politely) that I've paid and that I really do need to know when it'll be done.

>>94890

ban assault high capacity gays

>>94890

You the guy who's been posting claims that homosexuals are a pox on society?

>>94888

hat

>>94888

CAPITALISM = BAD

FREE STUFF = GOOD

today i learned food stamps don't exist

thank god furries know more than the federal government

Pedos who try to use the "I'm not a pedo I only look at drawn stuff" argument and other bullshit defenses, you got owned hard here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMreYMn29WI

What the fuck is lonbluewolf's timezone that he is always automatically full on commissions the instant saturday morning hits

>>94936

Because the veracity and logic of any argument is increased a thousandfold when said argument is presented in streaming video, by comparison to simply typing it out here.

>>94956

Of course not. The actual reason is because an eceleb is saying it.

>>94941

Mexico or south america, which might explain why he sounds so much like a robot in PMs, unless he's just THAT disinterested.

>artist makes a handful of stock easily editable animations and recolors them indefinitely

>they proceed to make infinite money thanks to the monopoly they themselves made

can't say I'm not jealous

Commission artists who can't get shit right straight from a reference sheet, fuck up the anatomy and then expect the customer to pay extra to fix their mistakes don't deserve anyone's business. I've dealt with one who has made constant errors with hands, from fingers way too long to the finger split too far up the hand, or even fingers weirdly turned sideways, and looking over one older commission compared to official art they got the skin tone way off and the character's belt is somehow 1/3 the thickness it should be. Frankly I can't tell if they're just phoning in effort to rush it out the door or if it's somehow on purpose so I have to pay them more money later to correct it. Well they can fuck a cactus, I'm not paying them. Not to fix this, not ever again.

Furthermore the client should get ownership of the pic, not the artist. The artist was paid to draw it, and they expect to keep ownership? Fuck em with a hot iron.

>>95546

I have never seen a furry commission done with a valid contract, or even a halfassed attempt at one.

Mention a due date and most artists freak the fuck out on you for badgering them.

>>95547

But... it’s true.

>>95014

There's an old saying that's just as true today as it was when it was first coined: "if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck and it swims like a duck and it flies like a duck then it must be a duck!"

If it looks like a child and it walks like a child and it talks like a child then it must be a child.

This is simple logic: If you become sexually aroused by looking at drawn pictures which are representative of naked children then you are expressing a desire to have sex with children. Having that desire is defined as PEDOPHILIA.

Conclusion: you are a pedophile and nothing you say or do can change that or change my mind about that.

>>95580

people who unironically want to censor art because "it causes harm" should be killed

>>95580

Chris Hansen isn’t going to be doing any more dateline stings. He used to bust people for other stuff besides kiddie diddling, like fraud, and now that he has been caught committing fraud, his career will become more complicated.

>>95623

>It’s like the artist has SEEN children, perhaps in photographs, but never gotten close enough to talk to one or observe how they act

Or, perhaps, that the artists/writers are very intentionally trying to portray them as not being like actual children?

>all these people unironically defending kiddy diddlers

>>95664

>All these other people unironically regressing to the mentality of pearl clutching religious fundamentalists freaking out that violent media is turning people/society into dangerous sociopaths.

>>95674

You're talking to 2 different people by the way.

>>95675

Then allow me to rephrase

>Piggybacking off another post, while backpedaling from that original point in order to invalidate any responses by downplaying it

Either way, still retarded.

>>94926

>Babies first strawman

Wow, it's been years since I've seen that argument.

Look, artists should be paid for commissions, but that's not something exclusive to capitalism, not to mention that capitalism has definitively shown to select bullshit 'art' like Warhole over actual talent and ability. This applies to all sorts of artistic media, Film, painting, architecture, sculpture, writing, poetry etc, has seen a severe decline under global capitalism.

>>94888

>BOOTSTRAPS NIGGA

Stephen Hawking became progressively paralyzed, he started off being physically feeble but otherwise normal. He is also a fucking GENIUS level intelligence. He also lived in a different time. Wages and prices rose together but after Reagan and Thatcher dropped regulations Wages stagnated as prices continued to rise and established corporations proceeded to completely quash any serious competition, so that only the minor percentage of people in the world possessing actual capital could actually do anything that didn't involve scrounging for money or working like a dog for no reason other than a profit. And when people didn't like being ripped off like that... that's where Sweatshops started being a big thing.

Productive jobs and having a good work ethic is a necessary part of human survival but being massively exploited is not. Not to mention that Stephen Hawking does his work because he likes it, he is paid for his work, sure, but he could just as receive benefits... he's done his part while still mobile, he doesn't owe anyone anything anymore. The same goes for many disabled people. Just because a person with a missing arm can still do work doesn't mean that society should socio-economically force him to work to survive. Work ought to be, not for pure labour, but because you want to do it. Surviving is not pleasant, and hoarding and saving like fucking Scrooge is no way to live, because after 40 years when you finally can 'retire' you're left with a mediocre pension and some money in your bank account, and not enough time left to do anything more than have a vacation at the beach before dying and being disposed of and forgotten by society, another blurry-faced person who was as apathetic and ignorant of others as others were of them.

>>95687

people literally only pay that much money so they can feel special and famous because people will be talking about them just based on that alone

most of the time they dont care what they are actually getting, considering you can get godly shit for 200 dollars USD but that thousand dollar slot in a super ych will get you something that can't be gotten anywhere else, and that's recognition for better or for worse

>>93721

who did that? its very good

>>95704

maybe try reading the watermark

>>95692

>artists should be paid for commissions

commissions shouldn't exist as part of the community tbh, furry should be a community of hobbyists.

art quality would be lower but the people would be better and the number of acceptable artists, and people inspired to take up art, would be much higher.

when you make your hobby your job you diminish your hobby.

>>95713

I don’t entirely agree that commissions have no place in a fandom. It takes time and effort to make furry art. If I draw furry art, and you can earn the price of my work in less time than it would take you to do the work yourself, you absolutely should pay me to do it, just like I pay someone else to fix my air conditioner while I stay in my studio drawing.

Now, I do think that furries waste a hell of a lot of their income on bullshit furry art, just to promote their social status. But that’s not a strike against free market economy.

>>95742

>just like I pay someone else to fix my air conditioner

That analogy is more appropriate than you think.

>that’s not a strike against free market economy.

Excluding the market from a minor area of one's life doesn't get rid of the overall architecture of the market economy. Imageboards don't become socialist just because you can't pay to promote your posts or give people 8ch gold. Actually, come to think of it imageboards are basically the perfect mirror to hold up to the furry fandom and show that you can have internet communities that avoid nearly all the mistakes furry makes. Except the arguing, and the stupidity, but those are mandatory anyway. Even CERN physics mailing lists are probably full of shitposts.

>>95747

Explain the air conditioner thing if you don’t mind. I don’t get where you’re coming from.

Unless you mean like, I pay the guy to show up every week so I can keep the world in the loop about how baller my air conditioner is.

>>95753

Except that, if furry artist logic applied to all services, the guy you pay to fix that air conditioner would keep the air conditioner because.... fuck if I know but artists who demand to keep rights to paid work are selfish assholes. They want money to do something they'd otherwise do for free while keeping all the extra benefits.

>>95753

There's a reason there isn't a community of AC Repairmen and AC Repair consumers.

(But if there was one, it would be closer and more communal than furry because god damn that is niche.)

>>95782

Ok well, what do you think about people who buy all this silicone molding shit and learn to make custom paw pads and get really good at it, then recoup their expenses selling paws to other furries? Is that a similar practice?

I think the fandom is improved by people like that.

>>95778

>Zaush is a rapist & a pedo.

Where are the proofs.

>>95806

Who needs proof when you should LISTEN and BELIEVE!

>>95823

look everyone im projecting

>>95826

>>just because I lead coordinated attacks against jack thomson and anita sarkeesian doesn't make it harassment

I was on board until this, This Gamer-Gate levels of bullshit is retarded. I have only agreed with Anita Sarkeesian's opinions twice in my life and as the phrase goes a broken clock is right twice a day. Fuck her and her liberal shit-show, she's just as bad as the moron gamers who get autistic over retarded fictional drama.

>>95840

Oh, so you're a faggot who got lost on your way to /cow/.

>>95846

> you're a faggot who got lost on your way to /cow/.

? This is the only thread I have posted in, in the past week, Are you referring to the shit in that "god v atheists" thread? I took the archive citation because that's true, information is information.

>>95858

Ah, so you're a newfag too.

>>95864

>you're a newfag too

No, I just haven't posted/lurked in a year or so after the board got filled with political drama that was all over the place... though it seems things haven't changed since then.

I'm going to dox an artist that has done consistently shitty commission work for me. Full name, address and Paypal info. Then I'll report them to Paypal for accepting payments for adult artwork, which is an instant clampdown on their account for violating the TOS.

>>95926

Someone named Vagoo already bought this fyi. It sold out within an hour.

>>95932

Still says open and miles is usually quick to update, especially since it's only been a few hours since posting.

>>95894

>ANYWHERE on this site isn't some variation of /pol/

>/d/

>/leftyb/

>/trash/

>/leftyweebpol/

>/leftpol/

>/chaos/

>>95923

Godspeed

>>95926

ONE LAST YCH

>>95926

The comment section for this is aids. It's either people (rightfully) calling out the bullshit price, or white knights defending this greedy shit for literally no reason other than to be suck ups.

>>95959

i'd just like to point out this guy has been in the comments section for five hours

>>95959

I remember that paste-eater, he cried all over /fur/ with chains of melodramatic underage rambling when people said his fursona was shit

>>95959

Talrasha re-enabled his account? Can't even leave properly, fuckin pussy. 'Sona is shit, too.

>>95993

If you've been following his antics he's enabled and re-enabled his account multiple times

>>95971

I wish rasha~chan would respond to my comments

>>95959

That fucker wasted the reply spot to the first comment. That would've been the best possible place to advertise my art.

What's the story behind this TalRasha guy?

>>96033

Literally just some random shitposter with a recognizable name.

>>95959

That's a comment stolen from what some popufurs said during a previous ych outrage when miles was first cracking the four digit slots. Yikes.

>ask artist if I could have a version with a watermark because it says in their t.o.s to only reupload the watermarked version to my own FA

>they haven't responded in a week

o-ok

>>96058

I looked at their fa journals. It makes much more sense now.

>>95959

Joke's on him, I'm already blacklisted for insulting his 1500 dollar YCH which at least showed pussy.

Seriously, there should be a group of artists starting a group named "Make Miles bankrupt", marketing themselves as "do something worthwhile with your fucking money."

>>96065

god damn these people exist

the world cries out for a 95% tax on being furry.

>>96068

The social stigma was enough of a tax that I purged all furry artifacts from my life and went full closeted.

In many ways, the only bad thing about the fandom is all the furries in it. Practiced in solitude it’s quite enjoyable.

rasha~chan still didnt reply to one of my comments

>>96068

I personally can never stop thinking about them and how much I hate them every single day.

>>96089

They probably have you and half of FA blocked.

arent blocklists and blacklists two different things

>>96095

I don’t know how it works on fa but I know a lot of people on social media have delicate psyches and rely on filters to keep the world tolerable.

>>95841

>even on 8chan you find good goys turning a thread into "muh gamergate harassment"

LMAO

>>96179

We here at the illustrious 8ch dont take kindly to irony

>Miles.df is actually moderating the comments section after having closed it off at 3530

>5 comments say they were deleted by administration

Guess there are people going on that blacklist afterall

>>96195

I bet it’s a big list. A big long list of people who would be denied the opportunity to hand over thousands of dollars. Yeah right.

>>96237

It's a big list of al the poorfags he dabbed on

>Attempt to commission an artist as soon as they open,full on ready to give them money

>It's not a raffle or ych or anything,comms from artist are first come, first serve

>don't know the artist

>tell them I want to buy their most expensive tier

>Get completely fucking ignored as slots fill out mostly for sketch shit

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>client commissions me

>I ask them not to upload it for a week so I can let on my patreon first

>they post it anyway

-_-

>>96552

>Trying to put paid commissions behind a timed paywall

But why? you already have non-commission stuff you post on your patreon, right? It almost feels like double dipping if it wasn't timed.

>>96552

>Double dipping

I don't know what sort of agreement this commissioner had with you, but on a general note, that person paid for the art, so really as long as they're not making money without compensation from the art, there's absolutely nothing wrong with them doing literally whatever with it.

Frankly putting up commissioner art on a patreon that isn't exactly what's being put up elsewhere, at the same time it's being put up elsewhere, is A grade bullshit, but given patreon inherently encourages bullshit practises, it's hardly surprising this happens.

>>96552

It’s pretty grimy looking to charge someone for a commission, then use a paywall to charge other people for the same commission. Raise your commission rate, or make generic shit for the paywall. People want to show off art of their characters. Nobody is going to like paying for a piece and then not being allowed to post it. They may want your art bad enough to tolerate being abused like that but it doesn’t mean you should take advantage of their situation.

>>96239

Yeah I don’t think he truly understands the source of all the ire. There’s a lot of stupid bullshit out there that people both can’t afford and would never want at any price.

>>96559

>>96566

>>96569

It's only one week, it's not a big deal you know? Besides, people only share art for followers anyway, I'm perfectly happy to post it on twitter when time is up myself so I can link him and direct traffic to him w/e

All I ask is for a grace period, I take a lot of commissions and do a lot of other art. Is it really fair to someone who constantly spends money on my patreon to just never get anything? A week is just a nice little bonus really, it's not a big deal. Besides, it's not like I'm mad/unwilling to accept more commissions from this client, I just wanted some exclusivity time.

It is my drawing and my labor after all, not his. And frankly, I never forbade him from sharing it with his friends, I just didn't want him posting it public early and I didn't want him posting the hi-rez version at all and I'm kinda miffed he did but whatever, I'll just be more firm next time.

>>96570

The reason miles-df gets shit for his prices isn't just because of the money, it's because his art is embarrassingly bad and he actually expects us to believe people pay the public prices he posts when in reality that retard just draws the ychs for his buddies at $200 a pop while pretending to have outrageous prices.

It's literally a controversial persona built upon deceit and that's why he gets shit. An actual artist with talent charging thousands of dollars doesn't raise any eyebrows. hell fuzz amorous sold an animation a few days ago for 5 grand. Is that strange? No, because he does good work. Unlike miles

>>96608

>Besides, people only share art for followers anyway

I can't speak for everyone, but I share art I make or pay other people to make because I want other people to enjoy it, I couldn't give a shit about meaningless statistics. If art's only being made for some perpetual popularity contest, then that's pretty hollow for all people involved.

It "Only being one week" doesn't really matter, it's still de facto definition of double dipping, which is pretty sleezy no matter which way you try to cut it. If you can't keep making enough content for the patreon, then maybe shutting down the patreon would be the better idea.

>It is my drawing and my labor after all

He paid for it to be made though, does that not count for anything?

>>96616

Same Don't give two shits about likes, followers or magical internet points, or being popular or internet-famous. I commission things I enjoy looking at, and I hope other people will also enjoy looking at them.

>>96552

whats the matter bro did some calculations and found you're making less than minimum wage?

>>96608

Ok... grimy is a harsh word but it feels like you’re working for the commissioner but also the audience you’re cultivating behind the paywall. Like, is he making it for me or for them? I’d rather pay what it costs to have the artist’s commitment to my work and not worry if my notes and requests will be compared against what will draw more traffic to your patreon page.

>>96635

Most artists don’t make a lot. Musicians, actors, and most other creative fields too. You don’t have to be shitty about it tho. Some careers are rewarding in ways beyond a paycheck.

>>96608

I don't know about you, but I share mine so I have a quick and easy place to access my stuff, for reference when I'm getting more art, and since I know others would like to see it as well. I'd like it better if I stayed being obscure so that I don't always have someone breathing down my neck wondering what I'm up to. If I were popular, I can't really see how that'd improve my life from where I am now, if anything it'd introduce drama to it because furries are retarded.

>>96649

Yeah I'm sure artists actually give a fuck about the fetish shit they're forced to draw in order to live

>>96670

Eh for me it’s like being a public school teacher. For every life you change you have to babysit 100 brain dead zombie sheep.

>>96608

> Is it really fair to someone who constantly spends money on my patreon to just never get anything?

if that's what they've signed up for, yeah. if you really feel an obligation to give something back, why not give them something unique (but that nobody will care are paywalled) like WIP sketches?

>>96681

Patreon was started to emulate the very old custom of patrons contributing to the arts, the way rich fancy nobles supported people we study today in art history.

It’s still ok to support an artist you like even if everyone else is using it like a vending machine to sell their boring old shit. I don’t expect something just for me out of the deal but I won’t enable some lazy fuck who is just trying to squeeze residual income out of shit he already made.

>>96682

>Patreon was started to emulate the very old custom of patrons contributing to the arts

I've always thought that they did this too well and the result is actually pretty dystopian but nobody's picked up on it yet. Like, do we really want to have artists rise and fall on the whims of a google programmer in San Jose who now gets to play feudal lord of the manor? Is that really the ideal future of the late 2010s?

Even if the idea was to have a centralised way for a large number of average people who want to make small payments that collectively add up, market forces and other factors would suggest that the best approach is to target a smaller number of higher paying people. (Which I mean I guess you can see represented in microcosm with how many of the biggest paid Patreon users are furries.) I guess that helps lead people towards using it as a paywall as well. You drive away smallfry doing that, but all it takes is one rich guy who wants to see what's behind the fence to offset them all in an instant.

I don't know. I wrote that in a very economic way but it's more like an underexplored social question. I don't have any neat agenda to push either way.

>want to commission xilrayne

>they're exclusively on inkbunny

>>96687

And that's a problem.... because?

>>96608

>I didn't want him posting the hi-rez version at all

Why not? He paid for the high resolution version, so why shouldn't he be allowed to share it at full size? Is it because you only want patreon subs to get it? Why not just draw stuff specifically for patreon like literally everyone else instead of relying on people to commission you, and then putting those on patreon while not even allowing the person who paid for it to share it?

>>96608

tell me your name so I never accidentally commission you

>>96693

Don’t give him the high res version then. But seriously consider what the value of that high res version is to you. Is it making you money or are your patrons willing to pay you even if it is possible to track down new works one at a time? Cuz to the buyer it just looks like you’re trying to resell his commission to others. I know you can get away with it but it just seems extra greedy.

Commissioning lavenderpandy was a mistake.

>>96693

Just don't even give him his pic at all, upload it behind his back with it hidden behind your nsfw artwork patreon tier that he hopefully has already paid for like a good paypiggie if he wants to see what he actually got.

>people saying it's not ok for an artist to not approve public upload of the hi-rez pic

>the vast majority of furry artists put in their t.o.s to not upload the hi-rez version

>>96745

the vast majority of furry artists are contemptible though

>>96608

>I didn't want him posting the hi-rez version at all

I'll never understand this mentality. If I spent the massive amount of time required to learn to draw I'd want only one version available: the best version, at the highest resolution possible to let everyone fully appreciate my hard work and skill.

>>96749

hoarder mentality

Just wondering, but any opinions on if a commissioner *didn't* post their commissions? I've gotten super lazy about it and just excuse it with "I don't want to come up with a title".

>>96608

There is so much wrong with your attitude.

>It is my drawing and my labor after all, not his.

It's his money. You traded labour for money, so the result of that labour belongs to him. That's how the exchange of money works you moron

> I just didn't want him posting it public early and I didn't want him posting the hi-rez version at all and I'm kinda miffed he did

He paid for that. Why do you think you have any right telling him what he can and can't do with it? If you don't want people sharing high res images then stop making high res images. People will avoid you because it'll make your art look like shit, but that's obviously what you want or else you wouldn't be here acting like a complete scumbag.

>>96749

If you’re worried about ownership claims two things: first mix on the borders and crop your final image. Keep the whole canvas for your records. It’s much easier to establish ownership when you have the full artboard for not only a given work but all of your work, no matter what resolution file is under question.

And second if the uniqueness of your work depends on people not getting a good look at it you are still looking for the thing that will set your style apart and make things like watermarks and retaining ownership unnecessary.

>>96745

>the vast majority of furry artists put in their t.o.s to not upload the hi-rez version

I've only come across one artist like this besides the one in this thread.

>>96745

Literally who? Name some. I've never heard of that.

>>96752

I've ran out of titles and descriptions too but I still make up a title and post.

>>96798

What do you use for a title when you've ran out?

I'm not the guy who said it, and while I don't usually bother to actually read the ToS, I do generally get given a low res posting version and a full res posting version. I'm sure that I could dig up some names if I really wanted to, but I know there's plenty of artists out there who do ask you to not post the full size. There are definitely also plenty who don't give a fuck which one you post, just as long as credit is given.

The biggest issue the fandom has is that it's so obsessed with drama that it sticks to someone forever. The only way to handle it is to be popufur. Small time artists can be ruined in a hurry due to it and never recover. Apologizing and all that really doesn't do a damn thing to fix it.

>>96608

Artists who are willing to take someone's money to draw a pic only to insist the final pic is their property are little more than thieves.

Find an artist that gives you ownership of the final piece and given them your business, don't deal with these artists that treat paying customers like shit.

>>96807

I just make some shit up based on the picture, usually 2 words.

>>96824

Hey just as an aside, from someone on the spectrum; there is a difference between ASD and pedophilia.

This thread has gone too far off the rails. It is a simple concept: Talk about frustrating things that artists do. Not whether or not cub porn is okay. Not whether or not liking cub porn makes you a pedophile. Just talk about things furries do artwise that frustrate you.

As a moderation team we are currently discussing a way to make a rule to stem this tide of bullshit cub back and forth that seems to infect every single thread nowadays that won't affect everyone's conversation or infringe on your right to free speech. Until we do, the simple rule of do not derail still applies. Bans are going to start being handed out if this is too hard of a concept for you.

>>96552

Sharing is caring, you filthy jew.

>artist says they're done with the drama

>gets doxxed

>artist says they're done with the drama for real now

>keep stirring shit up anyway

Some people never learn

>>97043

Sorry.. I just remembered we’re not supposed to be feeding the troll. I tried to delete my post but the password is gone.

Add to the list of annoying furry behaviors “not reading shit the first time”

>>96954

Please, PLEASE start booting the guy who brings up this topic in every thread. He's anti-cub and he thinks the whole fandom is against him. His crusade is getting annoying (and is spreading to other boards).

On-topic, are there more than one commissioner who demand that their drawings always look the same? A friend who draws badges used to draw for a guy who demanded almost flawlessly identical badges with only the year changed; he joked about making a base and digitally pasting in the year (but wouldn't have actually done that, and didn't). Are there others known who're so anal?

>>97084

Well, for a badge, I think that kinda makes sense if the guy just really liked the first design.

>>97099

I get that. In this case, the guy had a fursuit with a lot of mascot suit-type aspects that were uncommon, and his badge had to have these details precise-- one really had to take detail photos, but he wouldn't stick around for that. He had a habit of getting vocally bent out-of-shape at the artist if it wasn't precise involving details they'd really have to be looking at the suit to get exact, and "it doesn't look like last year's" was a common comment in said tirade. My friend finally just politely refused to draw for him.

>>97101

Autism

>>97108

Like, real autism, not internet autism? As far as I know. the anal-retentive commissioner in question isn't autistic, I've met him out-of-suit at cons and (having heard the stories) made a point of chatting with him. He doesn't activate my autism radar, which I'd like to think is rather sharp, having worked in the special-ed classroom in high school. He's just focused on the looks of his character and, unfortunately, pitches a bitch when art isn't flawless, so much so that he drove an easygoing friend of mine to refuse him.